I took no stand on whether their opinions should matter, I just said it's pretty silly to claim that Estonia's opinion on the matter makes a damn bit of difference. We are acting essentially unilaterally and that is that. Either that's OK, or it's not, but the administration seems to want to pretend it can have it both ways. "We can do what we want, but see, we have 30 mostly insignificant countries to back us up so see, we're not REALLY alone." Bah! (a la dogbert)
And I'm just stating that 8 "significant" countries does not a "significant coalition" make, especially if you were to start ranking the relative significance of those who are with us vs those who are not.
35+ nations, the majority of whom have no significant influence on world affairs anyway, really don't matter a hill of beans out of the couple hundred nations in existence. I mean really, the support of Estonia doesn't really help give us any credibility.
Here's the list:
Afghanistan
Albania
Australia
Azerbaijan
Col ombia
the Czech Republic
Denmark
El Salvador
Eritrea
Estonia
Ethiopia
Georgia
Hun gary
Iceland
Italy
Japan
Korea
Latvia
Lithuania
Macedonia
the Netherlands
Nicaragua
the Philippines
Poland
Romania
Slovakia
Spain
Turkey
the United Kingdom
Uzbekistan
And given the "support" Turkey has given us, I am doubtful how serious some of the others are. So let's see, on that list, military and economic powers of any significance include the UK, Australia, Italy, Spain, Turkey (sorta), Japan and Korea. 7 countries that matter at all. Woo hoo.
As far as the other examples, for every example of something they didn't cover when you were watching them that supports your assertion of liberal bias, I can come up with examples they didn't cover when I was watching that supports my assertion of pro-war bias. Whee, how much fun is that going to be?
(one is the utter lack of US coverage of Bush Sr's recent speech at a college where he stressed over and over the importance of multi-lateral action over unilateral action. Ignoring the people we are closest to because they disagree with us is going to break all our ties, and not prove anything; ultimately that will hurt us).
If you want a gallery online, personally, I really like gallery
which has a very easy user interface, easy to upload photos to, etc. It does require PHP on your hosting server.
If you want to share photos with family, I like the ceiva picture frame, because my mom doesn't have to use a computer to enjoy it. She has a very strong tremor in her hands, and so surfing the web is really not an option for her. Again, the ceiva web page makes it easy to upload photos to send to their frame.
That's using their "my comics page". That does NOT say "save it on your own computer". It says you can collect your favorites in one web page, that they store for you ON THEIR SYSTEMS. That email you get? It seems likely that it's an HTML page that links back to, you guessed it, their copies of the original strips.
This is a subscription service. There would be no point in saying "you can download all our content and then terminate your subscription as long as you don't give it to anyone else", and it seems pretty clear that is not what they're saying in any of the verbage you quoted. Care to try again?
And just in case your intellectual superiority misses it (I'm banking on that actually), I'm talking about the entire body of work here. If you haven't copied the entire thing, my point that if they go out of business you lose access still stands.
Since I'm not in a rush to go sign up for this service that I don't see as any bargain, I'm not in a position to quote their license in detail, but most of the "subscription" comic sites require you to agree to certain terms of use in addition to paying for the content. If they didn't, why make you pay, right? "You have to pay for access to this content but then you can give it for free to all your friends and also put up your own web page of everything and make local copies of it" is not a commonly working business model, certainly not for comics.
I don't care what you think about the good sense of copyright restrictions, but the fact is they do exist, and you're quite likely to have to agree to them to get access to this site. Legally speaking, you're not going to be authorized to make your own copy to read wherever you like, copies to send to your friends, or any of the rest of that. You seem hot to sign up, so if there is no such agreement, go sign up and tell me so already.
So the licensing agreement lets you make copies for whatever purpose you want? I find that hard to believe. It seems much more likely that the licensing agreement says you aren't allowed to duplicate the content, period. I would be pleased to be proven wrong...but I think it's unlikely given typical licensing agreements.
They don't appear to have Classics of Western Literature, but that was a collection, it's not entirely clear that it had unique content. And they don't have One Last Little Peek, which definitely does have unique content. But then, you might find that one somewhere else. (like http://cagle.slate.msn.com/store/fbloom.asp which has it for $11.95, not the $65 that Amazon thinks is the best used price)
Unless you're looking for "like new mint condition", I can't see why someone would be charging $75 for one paperback. And if you want them for your kids, I don't think you'd want the mint copy anyway....
Myself, I have a life that takes me lots of places that aren't in front of my tube. Since we don't have universal WiFi yet, the only other option for portable information is things printed on paper, eh?
Ah, right. Look in the mirror, monkey, that ain't no philosopher there.
Suppose you are at a friend's house and want to show him a Bloom County?
Ah yes, this happens to me all the time. Suddenly the Bloom County Spirit takes me over, and I must show my friend that strip right now. Lucky for me, this supernatural event also enables me to redraw the strip perfectly from memory.
If it's not funny enough to share with friends, then why do you want to read it at all?
I shared it with my friends at the time, thanks. I can loan a book to a friend too, instead of asking them to pay $10 themselves or violate the likely license agreement. If you've read anything Breathed has said about the topic, and have any respect for him and his opinion, you know it's not going to be as free as you claim to share strips.
As for kitchen/restroom reading....it's a damn shame someone so intellectually superior can't understand the idea of an "example" wherein you list one or two items that fit a general class (in this case, the class of all places that aren't in front of a CRT tube; I spose you probably don't spend enough time elsewhere to really understand that idea though).
Next time don't assume that because I point out that there are lots of places I would want access to this that aren't in front of a tube, and therefore I don't consider the idea to be a bargain, that I'm claiming that everyone who does want it on their tube is an idiot--I meant just you were being an idiot, because you talk as if by stating one thing I'm denying all other things.
You sound like an idiot who can't read what I wrote. Unless I have a laptop and wifi, I can't read bloom county on the pot or in the kitchen, for example, unless I print it out. If I do print it out, 72dpi is likely to be inferior resolution to anything I would get in a printed volume. Unless this company stays in business forever (fat freaking chance), I pay my subscription and oops, they go out of business and I lose access to everything.
I fail to see how I need to read bloom county at work, and it seems unlikely that much of it is going to be so wonderfully relevant that I suddenly feel a need to email that one strip to my friends. And if for some reason I do, I don't have to rip pages out of my book to scan it.
The only legitimate counter I've seen to my position that this is no bargain is the point that this is apparently going to be the complete set, not just what was published in books. That'd be pretty spiffy, actually.
Go buy the complete works, you can probably even find them used for less than cover price. Then you don't have to be in front of a tube to enjoy them, you aren't at the mercy of their business model, you've got higher resolution print copies, and you don't have to print and bind them yourself if you want all those advantages.
The EPIA-M board would be great if I had a landline ethernet port anywhere near my TV and stereo. I have an 80 year old house that would make that difficult if not impossible to achieve (plaster walls, where the plaster has fallen off inside and piled at the bottom of the wall. Trying to run cat-5 across a second-floor room through the attic was extremely difficult, I don't even want to try running it the length of the house and down two floors). My only other option then would be wireless; I have a WAP, but I have yet to find a reasonably sized case/motherboard combination that will let me have the two or three slots I need to do this (I need a TV out, a cable/TV in, and a wireless card). The EPIA removes the need for a seperate TV out, but only has one slot. Everything else I've found that fits in small cases has only two PCI slots, and frequently one of those is a low profile (ok, so I can put a PCI-PCMCIA bridge in the low profile slot and use a PC Card Wireless, but that still doesn't get me both TV out and TV in).
I guess the point of my rant is, any suggestions, or suggestions of where to look for suggestions? (BTW looked at all-in-wonder; it's AGP and an AGP slot in the case is missing from most of the low profile cases too)
Are you really completely missing the point I've made in the last three posts? Apparently so. Either you're deliberately misconstruing my posts or you're stupider than GWB.
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I took no stand on whether their opinions should matter, I just said it's pretty silly to claim that Estonia's opinion on the matter makes a damn bit of difference. We are acting essentially unilaterally and that is that. Either that's OK, or it's not, but the administration seems to want to pretend it can have it both ways. "We can do what we want, but see, we have 30 mostly insignificant countries to back us up so see, we're not REALLY alone." Bah! (a la dogbert)
And I'm just stating that 8 "significant" countries does not a "significant coalition" make, especially if you were to start ranking the relative significance of those who are with us vs those who are not.
Yep, because we have the big guns, we're obviously right. How stupid of me not to realize that.
Sounds like you married the wrong woman, buddy.
Here's the list:
- Afghanistan
- Albania
- Australia
- Azerbaijan
- Co
l ombia - the Czech Republic
- Denmark
- El Salvador
- Eritrea
- Estonia
- Ethiopia
- Georgia
- Hu
n gary - Iceland
- Italy
- Japan
- Korea
- Latvia
- Lithuania
- Macedonia
- the Netherlands
- Nicaragua
- the Philippines
- Poland
- Romania
- Slovakia
- Spain
- Turkey
- the United Kingdom
- Uzbekistan
And given the "support" Turkey has given us, I am doubtful how serious some of the others are. So let's see, on that list, military and economic powers of any significance include the UK, Australia, Italy, Spain, Turkey (sorta), Japan and Korea. 7 countries that matter at all. Woo hoo.As far as the other examples, for every example of something they didn't cover when you were watching them that supports your assertion of liberal bias, I can come up with examples they didn't cover when I was watching that supports my assertion of pro-war bias. Whee, how much fun is that going to be?
(one is the utter lack of US coverage of Bush Sr's recent speech at a college where he stressed over and over the importance of multi-lateral action over unilateral action. Ignoring the people we are closest to because they disagree with us is going to break all our ties, and not prove anything; ultimately that will hurt us).
What are you smoking again?
If you want to share photos with family, I like the ceiva picture frame, because my mom doesn't have to use a computer to enjoy it. She has a very strong tremor in her hands, and so surfing the web is really not an option for her. Again, the ceiva web page makes it easy to upload photos to send to their frame.
Or, like Halliburton and many many others, they've incorporated in Bermuda and pay zippo in taxes.
So where were you when Halliburton et. al. were all moving their hq's to Bermuda to dodge taxes on all that government money they're profiting from?
That's using their "my comics page". That does NOT say "save it on your own computer". It says you can collect your favorites in one web page, that they store for you ON THEIR SYSTEMS. That email you get? It seems likely that it's an HTML page that links back to, you guessed it, their copies of the original strips.
This is a subscription service. There would be no point in saying "you can download all our content and then terminate your subscription as long as you don't give it to anyone else", and it seems pretty clear that is not what they're saying in any of the verbage you quoted. Care to try again?
oh, right, "You can't seem to understand that you don't have to print things out to read them" isn't calling me an idiot at all.
And just in case your intellectual superiority misses it (I'm banking on that actually), I'm talking about the entire body of work here. If you haven't copied the entire thing, my point that if they go out of business you lose access still stands.
I don't care what you think about the good sense of copyright restrictions, but the fact is they do exist, and you're quite likely to have to agree to them to get access to this site. Legally speaking, you're not going to be authorized to make your own copy to read wherever you like, copies to send to your friends, or any of the rest of that. You seem hot to sign up, so if there is no such agreement, go sign up and tell me so already.
Care to show me where I said that? Which part of "buy the complete works" says "and don't use any electronic version"?
So the licensing agreement lets you make copies for whatever purpose you want? I find that hard to believe. It seems much more likely that the licensing agreement says you aren't allowed to duplicate the content, period. I would be pleased to be proven wrong...but I think it's unlikely given typical licensing agreements.
- Loose Tails, $9.95
- Toons for our Times, $6.95
- Penguin Dreams, $6.95
- Bloom County Babylon, $6.50
- Billy and the Boingers Bootleg, $6.95
- Tales Too Ticklish to Tell, $5.00
- Night of the Mary Kay Commandoes, $7.95
- Happy Trails, $7.95
They don't appear to have Classics of Western Literature, but that was a collection, it's not entirely clear that it had unique content. And they don't have One Last Little Peek, which definitely does have unique content. But then, you might find that one somewhere else. (like http://cagle.slate.msn.com/store/fbloom.asp which has it for $11.95, not the $65 that Amazon thinks is the best used price)Unless you're looking for "like new mint condition", I can't see why someone would be charging $75 for one paperback. And if you want them for your kids, I don't think you'd want the mint copy anyway....
Myself, I have a life that takes me lots of places that aren't in front of my tube. Since we don't have universal WiFi yet, the only other option for portable information is things printed on paper, eh?
Ever heard of a licensing agreement?
I am probably your intellectual superior.
Ah, right. Look in the mirror, monkey, that ain't no philosopher there.
Suppose you are at a friend's house and want to show him a Bloom County?
Ah yes, this happens to me all the time. Suddenly the Bloom County Spirit takes me over, and I must show my friend that strip right now. Lucky for me, this supernatural event also enables me to redraw the strip perfectly from memory.
If it's not funny enough to share with friends, then why do you want to read it at all?
I shared it with my friends at the time, thanks. I can loan a book to a friend too, instead of asking them to pay $10 themselves or violate the likely license agreement. If you've read anything Breathed has said about the topic, and have any respect for him and his opinion, you know it's not going to be as free as you claim to share strips.
As for kitchen/restroom reading....it's a damn shame someone so intellectually superior can't understand the idea of an "example" wherein you list one or two items that fit a general class (in this case, the class of all places that aren't in front of a CRT tube; I spose you probably don't spend enough time elsewhere to really understand that idea though).
Next time don't assume that because I point out that there are lots of places I would want access to this that aren't in front of a tube, and therefore I don't consider the idea to be a bargain, that I'm claiming that everyone who does want it on their tube is an idiot--I meant just you were being an idiot, because you talk as if by stating one thing I'm denying all other things.
How is it a troll to respond to someone who called me an idiot who doesn't understand technology?
I fail to see how I need to read bloom county at work, and it seems unlikely that much of it is going to be so wonderfully relevant that I suddenly feel a need to email that one strip to my friends. And if for some reason I do, I don't have to rip pages out of my book to scan it.
The only legitimate counter I've seen to my position that this is no bargain is the point that this is apparently going to be the complete set, not just what was published in books. That'd be pretty spiffy, actually.
Go buy the complete works, you can probably even find them used for less than cover price. Then you don't have to be in front of a tube to enjoy them, you aren't at the mercy of their business model, you've got higher resolution print copies, and you don't have to print and bind them yourself if you want all those advantages.
Claims to be vertical display only, which doesn't fit in my cabinet :-) But assuming they're full of it, that's a great fit, thanks!
to the first person to forge an email and get someone taken off the network for something they didn't actually do.
I guess the point of my rant is, any suggestions, or suggestions of where to look for suggestions? (BTW looked at all-in-wonder; it's AGP and an AGP slot in the case is missing from most of the low profile cases too)
Are you really completely missing the point I've made in the last three posts? Apparently so. Either you're deliberately misconstruing my posts or you're stupider than GWB.