While I generally agree, I'd have to say the CIA doesn't always have a clue, given that twice now we've trained and/or armed someone who then came after us (or our interests).
Thank you for proving my point. Know-nothing blow-hards don't get it. btw, can you tell me the real reason why the Trade Federation invaded Naboo? Show me you have the intelligence greater than a third grader...
In other words: "I am one of the elite few who understand the true genius inherent in the movie, and the rest of you who actually thought movies are to be enjoyed instead of analyzed are just morons. Nany nany boo boo!"
Get real. TPM was trite and occasionally offensive. Most of the acting sucked (little Anniken in particular). A lot of effort was spent and the result should have been mind blowing on its face instead of requiring deep analysis and "understanding" to "get it".
Actually though, this should have hardly been a surprise to anyone who went to see the re-issues of the original trilogy; it has not aged well, and the first movie which knocked everyone's socks off at the time in particularv is not much better than TPM except in the effects for the time department. Of course today those effects look dated too....
If you want to live in your nostalgia land where Star Wars was the best thing your 11 year old eyes ever saw, feel free, but forgive the rest of us if we've grown up and placed higher expectations on our movies (even action movies need to surprise us).
I'm not blaming the internet, but the coverage sure seems designed to say "see, if we didn't have anonymous email/free easily available email/encryption available to all comers, we wouldn't have this problem with bin Laden".
You forget, this is The Internet where you and I know the paradigm is comparable to the electric company, but Joe Average news watcher doesn't.
Most mainstream news analysis has noted that Osama Bin Laden (or however you spell it) is "very technically sophisticated" to the point of "using email and encryption" and even claims of using x-rated pictures for steganography.
Right. Who presided over the DMCA? Billy Clinton. Who presided over the greatest erosion of our rights in the last century? Billy Clinton. You think Gore was going to go anywhere different from Bill (aside from under the desk with Monica, that is)? I don't. Gore sacrificed those votes to Nader by being completely bought by business himself. He just had an oh so slightly more left vision of the world than Georgie, but he's just as much a creature of campaign donations, that's for damn sure.
He effectively said there was a conspiracy to perpetrate bugs, which there isn't. Beyond that, what the other poster said makes a lot of sense. I like Forth too, and have tried to do some personal project in it. But I find that when I inevitably get distracted, and return to the projects, trying to re-read the code and figure out where exactly I was is damn near impossible.
This is not to say that you can't write code in other languages that is just as incomprehensible, but I find that I can pick up a perl script I wrote 2 years ago and read it right away. I can't do that with Forth. It would take a lot of effort, and continuous programming (which I don't do in perl either) to remain fluent enough in Forth to do that. And since I only have these intermittent projects written in it....it's not worth the hassle.
Like it or not, Forth is not the most easily maintained language out there, and there are languages that do lend themselves more easily to long term maintainability.
You don't think Falwell's condemnations are going to help some misguided fool think he's justified in beating up some pagan faggot along with all those A-rabs he's gonna go pound downtown?
There's the problem. You can have customizable, or you can have mass produced. I've never seen anything that was both in the realm of furniture or anything else that wasn't legos. (I think it's something similar to the adage "fast cheap safe, pick two" regarding computer storage)
Nothing stops anyone from learning how to use a handful of tools to build their own custom furniture. I'm a relative novice at any kind of woodwork, but with the help of a friend, I've built a custom radiator cover for about 1/4 the cost of having it built for me, and I've gone on to do a lot of other stuff.
But I'm a geek, and I like to do things for myself and am not afraid to learn how. The average windows user isn't a geek, doesn't want to learn this stuff, and is afraid of screwing it up. The same thing applies to computers.
The Sun usability report for Gnome (full disclosure: I am a Sun employee) seems to me to illustrate the fallacy here. I'm not saying Open Source isn't useful. I'm saying the current tools are way too geared to the "gearhead" mentality of geeks--we want to take it apart and put it back together in our own image, but normal people don't care. Until someone starts writing tools for Linux that acknowledge that, it's going to stay a geek OS.
What we need now is to create an environment, where users can easily create customized tools for the way they work
No. Not any more than we need to create an environment where users can easily create customized furniture, cars, or whatnot. The mass users you need to attract to make Linux *really* popular want these things built for them and delivered to them--they are not do-it-yourselfers like most of us who read Slashdot are. That is why, despite all their bugs, Microsoft continues to sell.
I can't speak for electricity, but I have a 486 running Coyote Linux (based on LRP and in my experience easier to set up). There's no hard drive to generate heat or make noise. The only noises are when the thing boots, which is pretty much only when I have power outages. It does take more space than a dedicated box, but since I had the hardware lying around (except for the network cards, and they weren't expensive) it was pretty much a no brainer.
If I hadn't had the hardware, I'd probably have sprung for a dedicated device, but mostly due to convenience, not the other issues you raise. It is easier to manage a box with a browser than command line editors (Coyote doesn't even include vi:-).
Bah. I have a 486DX100 with two NE2k cards, and a floppy version of Coyote Linux (firewall only, based on the Linux Router Project), and I get full bandwidth with my DSL just dandy. I don't even have a hard drive to make noise and generate heat.
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There are temporary losses (which I honestly see as probably somewhat necessary, if distasteful) and more permanent losses (which are not justifiable in any way). Remember that postal letters during the big wars were monitored, etc. If you support decisive action, you must be willing to give room for the government to take the correct decisive action instead of acting on half-baked assumptions. That doesn't mean roll over and let them turn us into a police state, but it means holding back some skepticism in the near term.
This doesn't mean that that skepticism should be withheld indefinitely! It's important to pay attention and make sure abuses are publicized and hopefully punished. But to expect a rational response with no information is not reasonable either.
You can not peacefully coexist with a people who's sole mission in life is to push your people into the sea,
But then you get blamed for trying to kill the Israeli's who are doing that to you. I guess you just can't win, can you.
In case my sarcasm is not PLAINLY evident, you need to get a clue and stop assuming that because the most vocal of a group are radical and arguably even evil doesn't mean that the whole group agrees. Just look at how long slavery held on in the face of reasonable opposition here.
Of course it's not in the interest of the saber rattlers and advocates of genocide like yourself to actually allow the view that there are actual (gasp!) moderate palestinians who genuinely would like to live in peace. That might mean that the easy (and final) solution isn't so easy after all.
I make no apologies for evil individuals and I am in more-or-less agreement with you that they need to be put beyond the ability to do evil. There are even large groups of individuals who do evil. Same goes. But that's not the same thing as your apparent "they're palestinian, therefore they're evil" or "they're muslim, therefore they're evil" bullshit. That's the exact mirror image of "they're jewish, therefore they're evil" that you're having a problem with.
Chicken and egg, which came first? Let me know when you have a time machine to go back 10,000 years and find out who started it so we can wipe them off the earth. I'm not willing to make a 50% bet that it wasn't the Israelis given that they long ago surrendered any moral high ground by their own behavior (perhaps you recall the old testament stories about killing every man woman and child in a town?). Just because they aren't publishing it in every newspaper doesn't mean that it isn't apparent in their behavior.
Which of course isn't to say that all or even most Israelis are any more culpable in this than all or even most Palestinians or Muslims. Your "it's all of them vermin" thinking is exactly what the other side thinks, and until both sides find a way beyond that, this cycle isn't going to end. As soon as the Palestinians are wiped off the face of the earth, some other group will find a way to take their place.
We've heard this rhetoric before. And not once a screenshot, a transcript, a schedule showing how frequently this happens in reality, as opposed to the minds of those who want to justify their killing. Prove me wrong.
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While I generally agree, I'd have to say the CIA doesn't always have a clue, given that twice now we've trained and/or armed someone who then came after us (or our interests).
Can you say "go to Best Buy and buy Norton or McAffee"?
In other words: "I am one of the elite few who understand the true genius inherent in the movie, and the rest of you who actually thought movies are to be enjoyed instead of analyzed are just morons. Nany nany boo boo!"
Get real. TPM was trite and occasionally offensive. Most of the acting sucked (little Anniken in particular). A lot of effort was spent and the result should have been mind blowing on its face instead of requiring deep analysis and "understanding" to "get it".
Actually though, this should have hardly been a surprise to anyone who went to see the re-issues of the original trilogy; it has not aged well, and the first movie which knocked everyone's socks off at the time in particularv is not much better than TPM except in the effects for the time department. Of course today those effects look dated too....
If you want to live in your nostalgia land where Star Wars was the best thing your 11 year old eyes ever saw, feel free, but forgive the rest of us if we've grown up and placed higher expectations on our movies (even action movies need to surprise us).
Yeah, we have a lot of pakistani and afghan looking people in the intelligence service to do that infiltration too....
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You forget, this is The Internet where you and I know the paradigm is comparable to the electric company, but Joe Average news watcher doesn't.
How is this not "blaming the internet"?
Right. Who presided over the DMCA? Billy Clinton. Who presided over the greatest erosion of our rights in the last century? Billy Clinton. You think Gore was going to go anywhere different from Bill (aside from under the desk with Monica, that is)? I don't. Gore sacrificed those votes to Nader by being completely bought by business himself. He just had an oh so slightly more left vision of the world than Georgie, but he's just as much a creature of campaign donations, that's for damn sure.
Ditto. The damned opt-out doesn't work, at least not reliably for everyone.
This is not to say that you can't write code in other languages that is just as incomprehensible, but I find that I can pick up a perl script I wrote 2 years ago and read it right away. I can't do that with Forth. It would take a lot of effort, and continuous programming (which I don't do in perl either) to remain fluent enough in Forth to do that. And since I only have these intermittent projects written in it....it's not worth the hassle.
Like it or not, Forth is not the most easily maintained language out there, and there are languages that do lend themselves more easily to long term maintainability.
If not, you're kidding yourself.
Nothing stops anyone from learning how to use a handful of tools to build their own custom furniture. I'm a relative novice at any kind of woodwork, but with the help of a friend, I've built a custom radiator cover for about 1/4 the cost of having it built for me, and I've gone on to do a lot of other stuff.
But I'm a geek, and I like to do things for myself and am not afraid to learn how. The average windows user isn't a geek, doesn't want to learn this stuff, and is afraid of screwing it up. The same thing applies to computers.
The Sun usability report for Gnome (full disclosure: I am a Sun employee) seems to me to illustrate the fallacy here. I'm not saying Open Source isn't useful. I'm saying the current tools are way too geared to the "gearhead" mentality of geeks--we want to take it apart and put it back together in our own image, but normal people don't care. Until someone starts writing tools for Linux that acknowledge that, it's going to stay a geek OS.
No. Not any more than we need to create an environment where users can easily create customized furniture, cars, or whatnot. The mass users you need to attract to make Linux *really* popular want these things built for them and delivered to them--they are not do-it-yourselfers like most of us who read Slashdot are. That is why, despite all their bugs, Microsoft continues to sell.
If I hadn't had the hardware, I'd probably have sprung for a dedicated device, but mostly due to convenience, not the other issues you raise. It is easier to manage a box with a browser than command line editors (Coyote doesn't even include vi :-).
Bah. I have a 486DX100 with two NE2k cards, and a floppy version of Coyote Linux (firewall only, based on the Linux Router Project), and I get full bandwidth with my DSL just dandy. I don't even have a hard drive to make noise and generate heat.
This doesn't mean that that skepticism should be withheld indefinitely! It's important to pay attention and make sure abuses are publicized and hopefully punished. But to expect a rational response with no information is not reasonable either.
It was a field office. I believe there were sales, service, and education personnell there.
But then you get blamed for trying to kill the Israeli's who are doing that to you. I guess you just can't win, can you.
In case my sarcasm is not PLAINLY evident, you need to get a clue and stop assuming that because the most vocal of a group are radical and arguably even evil doesn't mean that the whole group agrees. Just look at how long slavery held on in the face of reasonable opposition here.
Of course it's not in the interest of the saber rattlers and advocates of genocide like yourself to actually allow the view that there are actual (gasp!) moderate palestinians who genuinely would like to live in peace. That might mean that the easy (and final) solution isn't so easy after all.
How many people are staying home in these places? How much you wanna bet we never see any coverage of that?
Chicken and egg, which came first? Let me know when you have a time machine to go back 10,000 years and find out who started it so we can wipe them off the earth. I'm not willing to make a 50% bet that it wasn't the Israelis given that they long ago surrendered any moral high ground by their own behavior (perhaps you recall the old testament stories about killing every man woman and child in a town?). Just because they aren't publishing it in every newspaper doesn't mean that it isn't apparent in their behavior.
Which of course isn't to say that all or even most Israelis are any more culpable in this than all or even most Palestinians or Muslims. Your "it's all of them vermin" thinking is exactly what the other side thinks, and until both sides find a way beyond that, this cycle isn't going to end. As soon as the Palestinians are wiped off the face of the earth, some other group will find a way to take their place.
We've heard this rhetoric before. And not once a screenshot, a transcript, a schedule showing how frequently this happens in reality, as opposed to the minds of those who want to justify their killing. Prove me wrong.
Ah, the "genocide is the answer" solution. Good choice, lots of moral ground to stand on there.