Nothing requiring a license. I've flown two aircraft that weigh under 499 pounds.
Driving is nothing like flying, well I take that back flying at your cruise altitude is alot like driving, though it's much closer to driving a boat on a lake. Which is why most of your accidents don't occur during cruise it's almost always within 5 miles of an airport during take off and landing.
I agree with everything there. I didn't say they were alike. The difficulty levels involved in the actual operation of the types of vehicles is about the same though. I'd much rather talk on a cellphone or radio while flying than driving.
Here's a few tidbits for you.
The fastest car represents some of the slowest speeds a small general aviation can fly. My little trainer Cesna can do 160mph. Speed limits around airports is 200mph and outside is around 250mph in some airspaces congested areas. Otherwise the limit is just under the speed of sound. (over 600 mph though you have to be above a certain altitude).
So rather than doing 55-75 miles per hour at extended periods of time operating within a very confined area with potential collisions 10 feet away at any given moment, you are going 100-250 miles an hour at the beginning and end of your trip with much less traffic that is constantly being relayed to you along with information on how and where to fly. I'd say that balances out.
You don't just dial in your favorite radio station and chill. Just to get out of the local area of my airport I have to talk to ground, then tower, then outbound, then approach. You also have to hop channels if you happen to fly through someone elses airspace and did I mention that there are no standard channels every airport is different hope you brought a airport guide with you. Oh did I forget that ATC talk like a bunch strung out meth freaks, so figuring out what they said can be fun especially when you are jockying with three other planes in the pattern trying to set up for a landing in the next 30 seconds.
I pretty much agree with all that. And yeah, the ATC folks are special.
There are no traffic lanes or signs when airborn so other traffic can come from any direction as well as above or below you and to boot is very difficult to spot. That's always comforting to know when you have up to a 500mph closing speed. Note small aircaft are almost impossible to spot when they are coming straight at you beyond about 3 miles. That gives you about 60 seconds to spot then avoid at just a 200mph closing speed at 3 miles
And in your years of flying, this has happened how many times? I'm not talking about times when the tower called to warn you about close traffic. I wish I had 60 seconds to spot and avoid a child chasing a ball. I wish I had even 10 seconds to react to a rig having a tire blowout 5 feet away, veering wildly. I wish I could get a call from ATC when I'm about to crest a hill and some drunk dumbass is coming up the other side in the middle of the road.
Speaking of weather a 40mph cross wind may make your arm tired on the way to work in car, but it makes it impossible to land in a plane, and could mean setting it down in a field if you don't have enough gas to make it to a different airport. Getting blown around during a rain storm in a car is easy to manage, at altitude in a light aircraft it is strong enough to flip you upside down, or push you down into the ground. Also without special instrument training the typical pilot loses control of their aircraft after about 7-10 minutes of flying into heavy weather.
It's probably a good idea to pay close attention to weather forecasts if you aren't IFR rated, or if your aircraft isn't adequately outfitted to deal with extreme weather. I never had a problem briefing any pilots that came into my weather shop. You end up comparing working with a fluid environment (the air) where you have a degree of fl
You are operating a whole lot of metal balanced on each end by friction enhanced cylinders with a rotating mass of pressurized air. Your technology to change vectors is based on driving two of the corners from an onboard engine while turning the other two (or the same) corners in relation to the central mass in order to effect velocity, or change direction respectively. You also effect velocity by applying force to the corners to slow their rotation. You do all this while:
1) Approaching closing speeds that require split second reaction times. 2) In an environment where there are constant sources of distraction.
a) cellphone
b) radio
c) kids
d) the sun
e) other drivers
f) weather
g) passengers
h) cops 3) Slightly anticipating the changing effects of wind, road condition, and gravity while making tap adjustments to maintain a certain velocity as dictated by passing signs.
That's why I've never bought into the whole "flying a plane is harder" crap. It isn't any harder. The stakes are much higher, but that isn't the same thing. But the jist of it is, you are going to fuck up once in a while. Compare the dynamics of driving a car to say, tennis.
So yeah, I'm all for this. Go ahead. I mean, as long as the worst that can happen is that the truth always comes out when there are car accidents. Whoopty do. If you mess up, you deserve the consequences. I don't have a problem with that.
The problem I have with this is that I drive really fucking fast. And it's my selfish desire to continue to drive really fucking fast. So as long they don't start using this technology to ticket people for speeding automatically every time they do it, I'm all for it.
Depending on the environment you are in, you aren't making significant purchases that often. When you are, it's usually because you've outgrown what you have and can't simply N+1 it anymore. Either that, or it's tied to a brand new product offering. So you do the dance:
1) What are my competitors using? 2) Do any of my current vendors have a solution, and it is worth it? 3) Who is number 1 at the technology I'm interested in, and why? 4) Am I going to need contractors for initial implementation, or is the talent for this technology in house? 5) What's training going to be like?
Then you do a whole lot of research and select vendors(s). You let them come out and do a presentation if that's appropriate. Nine times out of ten, you'll end up going with the proven solution that a lot of people are already using. It's easy to make a business case for a known quantity.
Unfortunately, that's not how it usually works out. Other things color the decision like:
1) This friend of mine still works at this company and I'd like to throw them a bone. 2) For political reasons, we like company A. 3) The upper management prefer product C because of the pretty colors, and because so-and-so heard it was great at some cocktail party. 4) We are going to use solution D and that's official from upper management. There is no discussion. They read about it in CIO Monthly. 5) I have stock in company E.
Screeners suck anyway. I'd love it if someone introduced a technology to keep them to a minimum. The REALLY cool thing about this technology is that you'll be able to use it to know if there is a hidden camera somewhere. Screw the theater. Wait til you can use this technology to find hidden camera's anywhere.
I'm not a democrat. I'm a Republican without my head up my ass. For what it's worth, I BLAME CLINTON for Osama being alive. I'm just not so blinded by my party affiliation that I don't recognise incompetence when I see it. It's a shame that most of my party is so blind.
Some ragtag piece of shit with limited influence that didn't even have the resources or courage to launch a real military attack turned commercial airplanes into missles and killed 3,000 Americans. And the motherfucker is still alive. We (apparently) had BILLIONS of dollars to use to kill him. How the hell do you lose a six foot six guy with a dialisis machine? HOW damnit. I won't be happy until he is dead. Period. Bush had 3 fucking years to do it and failed. Osama won. Not only did he win, he won HUGE. What happened here in America? People going crazy. An America divided. The rest of the world hating us. THIS is not how a president acts. It's time for a new guy to take a shot at fixing Bush's mistakes.
This was the straw that broke the camels back. I voted for this president. Then I proceeded to watch him make catastrophic mistake after catastrophic mistake. The administration spin warmed me for a while. I wasn't still a "true believer" but I had some talking points to use on co-workers. Iraq made me regret my vote. I took solice in the fact that according to all reports, Osama was probably dead. Any tapes that came out were probably manufactured by his buddies. Now I find out OSAMA BIN LADEN IS STILL ALIVE and probably regrouping thanks to all the new recruits he has now due to our abysmal foreign policy.
Here is the argument that I've been getting:
Even though Bush let the man that killed 3,000 people (some good friends of mine I might add) get away, I should give him another chance because some guy on a message board says that Kerry wouldn't have done any better.
Sorry. I don't give second chances often, let alone 10th or 30th chances as is the case with this president. You don't have to care what I think. Do I lie though? Dispute a word I said. Can you understand my point of view?
It's my point of view that osama bin laden should be dead. It's my point of view that he is not, in fact, dead. Therefore, through logical deduction, the president did not do his job. Therefore we do what you do when people don't do their job. You fire them.
Kerry can't do worse.
Vote Kerry
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I'm sorry my particular kind of sick sense of humor made you become one of the few "freaks" I have in my list despite how controversial my opinions are at times. I'll do what I always do, and make you a "friend". Peace.
And it looked exactly like the number "7". When that happens it means a few things:
1) Democrats become president 2) My penis grows 48 inches (cool, eh?) 3) I meet a girl with an 8 foot deep vagina (and this time she doesn't moo) 4) My ferrari needs new brake pads 5) I've been looking at my own poop again
So please, everyone look at the poop that makes you think happy thoughts. We'll get together and compare notes REAL SOON.
PS: "The Sky Is Fallin'" by Queens Of The Stoneage is a really great song after hearing it 10 times for some reason.
Actually, it's more likely to be an extremely old person that can barely see over the steering wheel driving an old, slow, gas guzzling debian. CADILLAC!! I MEANT CADILLAC!!!. Sorry. Try living where the old people go for a while. I've "done time" in Arizona and Florida. Old people in their amazing land barges are rolling over kids on the sidewalk all the time. Rolling right through farmers markets and shops. It's just not reported on often because it's politically dangerous to talk about it. Much like certain college students, old people have a lot of free time to write letters, make phonecalls, and harass people that try to take away their "rights".
As for the distribution wonks....
I've seen plenty of ignorant people on all sides. On one hand you have the Gentoo fanboys that say dumb things. Everyone has them. You just have a bunch of bitter debian people shining a flashlight on them is all. It's kinda sad and pathetic. You got something good going there debian folks. No need to advertise your inferiority complex. Be proud of your distro. Someone should take the webmaster of that site out and have an intervention. Help him/her work on their self esteem a little. Picking on an easy target to the point that you actually:
1) buy a domain to do it 2) do all the legwork to put the farce together
More specifically, it shows that the kind of people that can afford travel, or with the desire to get out there and experience alternate world views first hand tend to be the kind of people that would vote for Kerry.
Actually, it's just a semi-automatic rifle in a varmint caliber (.223). It isn't really designed to kill people accurately at long distances either. The caliber is very hard to make accurate guns for. That's why the truly accurate ones are very expensive. A 300 dollar surplus CETME in.308 is about as accurate as an AR-15 that costs twice as much, and does a hell of a lot more damage with a much higher probability of a kill. It's a good thing that the beltway sniper was enough of a dumbass to use an AR-15 instead of a real sniper weapon based on.308,.300 winchester, or one of the other more powerful, more accurate 30 caliber weapons actually designed to kill people that are far away.
This looks more like corporate wishful thinking than anything else. This isn't like an 8-track at all. It isn't ridiculously easy to make your own 8-track and email it to someone.
My bad. I misinterpreted what you were saying. I tend to get testy when I see a supposed news site that is loaded down with rhetoric from either side. Little things send up red flags like:
Ann Cooter (or however you spell it) ads. Hannity, Moore, Franken, etc. We already have enough people going out of their way to shut off the sources of information they don't like whether it's useful or not. Not to mention people deliberately doing the strawman thing. Most of my friends think it's ok to "win at all costs" because "this is a war on the liberals" but we all lose when that happens. Hobbs is just another mouthpiece for an idealogy that includes the information that backs his viewpoint, and ignores the rest. He's every bit as bad as moore. This isn't a war against "the liberals" or a war against "the bushies". It's a war against truth. Plenty of people are getting manipulated so some spoiled rich guys can gain the crown and help out their buddies. Nobody wins this no matter what happens in November.
Of the authorities in situations like these that gets stories like these printed. It goes something like this:
* We owe you no explanation * Nobody holds us accountable * You have no defense * You are automatically assumed wrong * We admit no wrongdoing * We are above right and wrong * Whatever we want to do is automatically justified * We don't owe you an apology * Go ahead and try to sue, we'll just do it again to teach you a lesson * People with power are on our side
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What a lot of people busy reciting the crap they read on their favorite biased "news" sites don't seen to understand is that the democrats submitted this bill in an attempt to draw attention to the fact that rich kids don't go to war. If you actually *read* the bill, it was so over the top as to be obvious. It was a lame attempt at attention getting, and decidedly anti-draft and anti-war. I understand that this doesn't mesh well with attack-dog style forum wrangling, but it is the truth. As a former "poor kid" that did serve my country, I agree with the sentiment they were trying to get across but not the method employed.
No offense, but that guy's site screams chickenhawk. Have an actual news source? I'm trying to find a link to the craziness in Pennsylvania with ACORN that's been going on but I'm having so many problems finding a legitimate news source that I'm starting to think it was made up.
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You've obviously never flown an aircraft then.
Nothing requiring a license. I've flown two aircraft that weigh under 499 pounds.
Driving is nothing like flying, well I take that back flying at your cruise altitude is alot like driving, though it's much closer to driving a boat on a lake. Which is why most of your accidents don't occur during cruise it's almost always within 5 miles of an airport during take off and landing.
I agree with everything there. I didn't say they were alike. The difficulty levels involved in the actual operation of the types of vehicles is about the same though. I'd much rather talk on a cellphone or radio while flying than driving.
Here's a few tidbits for you.
The fastest car represents some of the slowest speeds a small general aviation can fly. My little trainer Cesna can do 160mph.
Speed limits around airports is 200mph and outside is around 250mph in some airspaces congested areas. Otherwise the limit is just under the speed of sound. (over 600 mph though you have to be above a certain altitude).
So rather than doing 55-75 miles per hour at extended periods of time operating within a very confined area with potential collisions 10 feet away at any given moment, you are going 100-250 miles an hour at the beginning and end of your trip with much less traffic that is constantly being relayed to you along with information on how and where to fly. I'd say that balances out.
You don't just dial in your favorite radio station and chill. Just to get out of the local area of my airport I have to talk to ground, then tower, then outbound, then approach. You also have to hop channels if you happen to fly through someone elses airspace and did I mention that there are no standard channels every airport is different hope you brought a airport guide with you. Oh did I forget that ATC talk like a bunch strung out meth freaks, so figuring out what they said can be fun especially when you are jockying with three other planes in the pattern trying to set up for a landing in the next 30 seconds.
I pretty much agree with all that. And yeah, the ATC folks are special.
There are no traffic lanes or signs when airborn so other traffic can come from any direction as well as above or below you and to boot is very difficult to spot. That's always comforting to know when you have up to a 500mph closing speed. Note small aircaft are almost impossible to spot when they are coming straight at you beyond about 3 miles. That gives you about 60 seconds to spot then avoid at just a 200mph closing speed at 3 miles
And in your years of flying, this has happened how many times? I'm not talking about times when the tower called to warn you about close traffic. I wish I had 60 seconds to spot and avoid a child chasing a ball. I wish I had even 10 seconds to react to a rig having a tire blowout 5 feet away, veering wildly. I wish I could get a call from ATC when I'm about to crest a hill and some drunk dumbass is coming up the other side in the middle of the road.
Speaking of weather a 40mph cross wind may make your arm tired on the way to work in car, but it makes it impossible to land in a plane, and could mean setting it down in a field if you don't have enough gas to make it to a different airport. Getting blown around during a rain storm in a car is easy to manage, at altitude in a light aircraft it is strong enough to flip you upside down, or push you down into the ground. Also without special instrument training the typical pilot loses control of their aircraft after about 7-10 minutes of flying into heavy weather.
It's probably a good idea to pay close attention to weather forecasts if you aren't IFR rated, or if your aircraft isn't adequately outfitted to deal with extreme weather. I never had a problem briefing any pilots that came into my weather shop. You end up comparing working with a fluid environment (the air) where you have a degree of fl
You are operating a whole lot of metal balanced on each end by friction enhanced cylinders with a rotating mass of pressurized air. Your technology to change vectors is based on driving two of the corners from an onboard engine while turning the other two (or the same) corners in relation to the central mass in order to effect velocity, or change direction respectively. You also effect velocity by applying force to the corners to slow their rotation. You do all this while:
1) Approaching closing speeds that require split second reaction times.
2) In an environment where there are constant sources of distraction.
a) cellphone
b) radio
c) kids
d) the sun
e) other drivers
f) weather
g) passengers
h) cops
3) Slightly anticipating the changing effects of wind, road condition, and gravity while making tap adjustments to maintain a certain velocity as dictated by passing signs.
That's why I've never bought into the whole "flying a plane is harder" crap. It isn't any harder. The stakes are much higher, but that isn't the same thing. But the jist of it is, you are going to fuck up once in a while. Compare the dynamics of driving a car to say, tennis.
So yeah, I'm all for this. Go ahead. I mean, as long as the worst that can happen is that the truth always comes out when there are car accidents. Whoopty do. If you mess up, you deserve the consequences. I don't have a problem with that.
The problem I have with this is that I drive really fucking fast. And it's my selfish desire to continue to drive really fucking fast. So as long they don't start using this technology to ticket people for speeding automatically every time they do it, I'm all for it.
Depending on the environment you are in, you aren't making significant purchases that often. When you are, it's usually because you've outgrown what you have and can't simply N+1 it anymore. Either that, or it's tied to a brand new product offering. So you do the dance:
1) What are my competitors using?
2) Do any of my current vendors have a solution, and it is worth it?
3) Who is number 1 at the technology I'm interested in, and why?
4) Am I going to need contractors for initial implementation, or is the talent for this technology in house?
5) What's training going to be like?
Then you do a whole lot of research and select vendors(s). You let them come out and do a presentation if that's appropriate. Nine times out of ten, you'll end up going with the proven solution that a lot of people are already using. It's easy to make a business case for a known quantity.
Unfortunately, that's not how it usually works out. Other things color the decision like:
1) This friend of mine still works at this company and I'd like to throw them a bone.
2) For political reasons, we like company A.
3) The upper management prefer product C because of the pretty colors, and because so-and-so heard it was great at some cocktail party.
4) We are going to use solution D and that's official from upper management. There is no discussion. They read about it in CIO Monthly.
5) I have stock in company E.
You get the picture.
When it happens, don't be shocked.
Screeners suck anyway. I'd love it if someone introduced a technology to keep them to a minimum. The REALLY cool thing about this technology is that you'll be able to use it to know if there is a hidden camera somewhere. Screw the theater. Wait til you can use this technology to find hidden camera's anywhere.
I'm not a democrat. I'm a Republican without my head up my ass. For what it's worth, I BLAME CLINTON for Osama being alive. I'm just not so blinded by my party affiliation that I don't recognise incompetence when I see it. It's a shame that most of my party is so blind.
OSAMA BIN LADEN WON
Some ragtag piece of shit with limited influence that didn't even have the resources or courage to launch a real military attack turned commercial airplanes into missles and killed 3,000 Americans. And the motherfucker is still alive. We (apparently) had BILLIONS of dollars to use to kill him. How the hell do you lose a six foot six guy with a dialisis machine? HOW damnit. I won't be happy until he is dead. Period. Bush had 3 fucking years to do it and failed. Osama won. Not only did he win, he won HUGE. What happened here in America? People going crazy. An America divided. The rest of the world hating us. THIS is not how a president acts. It's time for a new guy to take a shot at fixing Bush's mistakes.
This was the straw that broke the camels back. I voted for this president. Then I proceeded to watch him make catastrophic mistake after catastrophic mistake. The administration spin warmed me for a while. I wasn't still a "true believer" but I had some talking points to use on co-workers. Iraq made me regret my vote. I took solice in the fact that according to all reports, Osama was probably dead. Any tapes that came out were probably manufactured by his buddies. Now I find out OSAMA BIN LADEN IS STILL ALIVE and probably regrouping thanks to all the new recruits he has now due to our abysmal foreign policy.
Here is the argument that I've been getting:
Even though Bush let the man that killed 3,000 people (some good friends of mine I might add) get away, I should give him another chance because some guy on a message board says that Kerry wouldn't have done any better.
Sorry. I don't give second chances often, let alone 10th or 30th chances as is the case with this president. You don't have to care what I think. Do I lie though? Dispute a word I said. Can you understand my point of view?
It's my point of view that osama bin laden should be dead. It's my point of view that he is not, in fact, dead. Therefore, through logical deduction, the president did not do his job. Therefore we do what you do when people don't do their job. You fire them.
Kerry can't do worse.
Vote Kerry
I'm sorry my particular kind of sick sense of humor made you become one of the few "freaks" I have in my list despite how controversial my opinions are at times. I'll do what I always do, and make you a "friend". Peace.
And it looked exactly like the number "7". When that happens it means a few things:
1) Democrats become president
2) My penis grows 48 inches (cool, eh?)
3) I meet a girl with an 8 foot deep vagina (and this time she doesn't moo)
4) My ferrari needs new brake pads
5) I've been looking at my own poop again
So please, everyone look at the poop that makes you think happy thoughts. We'll get together and compare notes REAL SOON.
PS: "The Sky Is Fallin'" by Queens Of The Stoneage is a really great song after hearing it 10 times for some reason.
Actually, it's more likely to be an extremely old person that can barely see over the steering wheel driving an old, slow, gas guzzling debian. CADILLAC!! I MEANT CADILLAC!!!. Sorry. Try living where the old people go for a while. I've "done time" in Arizona and Florida. Old people in their amazing land barges are rolling over kids on the sidewalk all the time. Rolling right through farmers markets and shops. It's just not reported on often because it's politically dangerous to talk about it. Much like certain college students, old people have a lot of free time to write letters, make phonecalls, and harass people that try to take away their "rights".
As for the distribution wonks....
I've seen plenty of ignorant people on all sides. On one hand you have the Gentoo fanboys that say dumb things. Everyone has them. You just have a bunch of bitter debian people shining a flashlight on them is all. It's kinda sad and pathetic. You got something good going there debian folks. No need to advertise your inferiority complex. Be proud of your distro. Someone should take the webmaster of that site out and have an intervention. Help him/her work on their self esteem a little. Picking on an easy target to the point that you actually:
1) buy a domain to do it
2) do all the legwork to put the farce together
is a serious cry for attention and help.
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More specifically, it shows that the kind of people that can afford travel, or with the desire to get out there and experience alternate world views first hand tend to be the kind of people that would vote for Kerry.
Actually, it's just a semi-automatic rifle in a varmint caliber (.223). It isn't really designed to kill people accurately at long distances either. The caliber is very hard to make accurate guns for. That's why the truly accurate ones are very expensive. A 300 dollar surplus CETME in .308 is about as accurate as an AR-15 that costs twice as much, and does a hell of a lot more damage with a much higher probability of a kill. It's a good thing that the beltway sniper was enough of a dumbass to use an AR-15 instead of a real sniper weapon based on .308, .300 winchester, or one of the other more powerful, more accurate 30 caliber weapons actually designed to kill people that are far away.
This looks more like corporate wishful thinking than anything else. This isn't like an 8-track at all. It isn't ridiculously easy to make your own 8-track and email it to someone.
That doesn't require some sort of registration?
http://69.50.170.99/sn/list_torrents/tvshows.html
look for farscape. better hurry
And smoke while you do it.
My bad. I misinterpreted what you were saying. I tend to get testy when I see a supposed news site that is loaded down with rhetoric from either side. Little things send up red flags like:
Ann Cooter (or however you spell it) ads. Hannity, Moore, Franken, etc. We already have enough people going out of their way to shut off the sources of information they don't like whether it's useful or not. Not to mention people deliberately doing the strawman thing. Most of my friends think it's ok to "win at all costs" because "this is a war on the liberals" but we all lose when that happens. Hobbs is just another mouthpiece for an idealogy that includes the information that backs his viewpoint, and ignores the rest. He's every bit as bad as moore. This isn't a war against "the liberals" or a war against "the bushies". It's a war against truth. Plenty of people are getting manipulated so some spoiled rich guys can gain the crown and help out their buddies. Nobody wins this no matter what happens in November.
I agree. It would be different if we were locked into a land war with a neighbor, but that's not the case.
Of the authorities in situations like these that gets stories like these printed. It goes something like this:
* We owe you no explanation
* Nobody holds us accountable
* You have no defense
* You are automatically assumed wrong
* We admit no wrongdoing
* We are above right and wrong
* Whatever we want to do is automatically justified
* We don't owe you an apology
* Go ahead and try to sue, we'll just do it again to teach you a lesson
* People with power are on our side
Have a look at a cherry picked list of democrat only voter fraud stories being passed off as the whole story.
Disclaimer: Pissed off conservative sick of the biased "bored again conservatives" making the rest of us REAL Conservatives look like bushbots.
What a lot of people busy reciting the crap they read on their favorite biased "news" sites don't seen to understand is that the democrats submitted this bill in an attempt to draw attention to the fact that rich kids don't go to war. If you actually *read* the bill, it was so over the top as to be obvious. It was a lame attempt at attention getting, and decidedly anti-draft and anti-war. I understand that this doesn't mesh well with attack-dog style forum wrangling, but it is the truth. As a former "poor kid" that did serve my country, I agree with the sentiment they were trying to get across but not the method employed.
"Any chance this bombshell move could force MS/Bungie to push up the release date?"
Yes.
pay no attention to the man behind the curtains!
It's starting to pick up steam. For everyone's sake, I hope this is all piss and wind but it's starting to look pretty legitimate.
No offense, but that guy's site screams chickenhawk. Have an actual news source? I'm trying to find a link to the craziness in Pennsylvania with ACORN that's been going on but I'm having so many problems finding a legitimate news source that I'm starting to think it was made up.