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Halo 2 Available on the Net

syberanarchy writes "Gamespot reports that Halo 2 has already been leaked to the internet via French newsgroups and P2P networks, almost a month before release! Any chance this bombshell move could force MS/Bungie to push up the release date?" See also gamesindustry.biz and The Register.

391 comments

  1. Bittorrent... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yep, I've seen a bittorrent for the PAL version of Halo 2 already. I don't think that'll ever work for people of the USA, but it might be a cause to move Europe's release dates up.

    As for me, I'm buying it anyway- I want the limited edition copy with the metal case and behind the scenes DVD.

    1. Re:Bittorrent... by alatesystems · · Score: 4, Insightful

      PAL works just fine on a modded NTSC xbox. So does any other signal format. It's just digital video being rendered at a certain resolution and being pumped out in a certain way, depends on which av pack you have.

      Chris

    2. Re:Bittorrent... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but if he doesn't speak/read French it's still as useless as tits on a bull...

    3. Re:Bittorrent... by Inda · · Score: 1

      There's no reason why it wont work in the USA. I play USA games on my modded PAL XBOX.

      I shall not be buying it nor downloading it. Not my cup of tea.

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    4. Re:Bittorrent... by alatesystems · · Score: 2, Informative

      It has English subtitles.

    5. Re:Bittorrent... by SilentChris · · Score: 4, Insightful

      My question, though: who'd honestly want a pirate release they can play only on a modded Xbox, when the big draw of Halo 2 is Xbox Live compatibility (which automatically bans anyone who mods their Xbox)? I'll pony up the $50. It's worth it.

    6. Re:Bittorrent... by Khaotix · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I dunno ... I think it could be quite amusing to hear a guy with the master chief level of huah saying "BON JAR! COMER SAY VAH MAGGOT!"

      I'm being optimistic.

    7. Re:Bittorrent... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      play via a tunnel

    8. Re:Bittorrent... by llevity · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'll pony up too, but I'll also be playing it a month early.

      The big draw isn't Xbox Live. The big draw is it's a new Halo, and any Xbox Live support is just icing on the cake.

      Halo 1 did fine without it. You can still play with your friends locally, or even use XBConnect to use it to play over the Internet.

    9. Re:Bittorrent... by Raven15 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Agreed. Halo single player is fun (and the primary reason I personally play), but the original Halo's longevity is from the multiplayer. It would be nice if Bungie/MS would take the view that this is just going to create some user-based hype in the long run.

    10. Re:Bittorrent... by SilentChris · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "Halo 1 did fine without it."

      From my understanding, they plan to support LAN parties by allowing connected Xboxes to go on Live together as one "team". All they've been testing is multiplayer the last few months (see various GameSpot articles). There's also clan support and it'll be the introduction of "Xbox Live 3.0". I think they view it as pretty important.

    11. Re:Bittorrent... by KillScriptKiddies · · Score: 1

      I've seen a bittorrent for the PAL version of Halo 2
      Nah.
      I don't mind buying it, if it's good.
      But if I don't like it, I'm stuck with the crap for the rest of my bloody life.

      Like when I waited for Quake Arena. I've always been a big fan of id. I played Doom for days, made lots of great levels and tools myself. Same goes for Quake, that had an improved 3d environment.

      After I had bought Quake 3 however I was soooooo dissappointed about the gameplay. The graphics were of course out of this world.

    12. Re:Bittorrent... by ifitzgerald · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I was going to mod this article, but I decided to post instead.

      I hear a lot of people posting comments saying that most people with modded XBOXs are just going to download the game and put up with the French audio and UK subtitles rather than ponying up the $50. Having a modded XBOX, I take offense to that. I've played Halo for years now, and it is the best game I have ever played. I have spent so long waiting for Halo 2 to come out that another few weeks won't make a difference to me. The true diehard fans of Halo will not download the game. Rather, they will buy legit copies of Halo 2, and pay the developers the respect, and money, that they deserve for producing such an awesome game. People who steal from Bungie are not true Halo fans.

    13. Re:Bittorrent... by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      "People who steal from Bungie are not true Halo fans."

      Bingo!

      See my sig . . .
      I'll be buying 4 copies from the get go.
      100% legit, even with a modded box.
      -nB

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    14. Re:Bittorrent... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Apparently what you don't know is that modded X-box's can get on to XBLive. Your lack of knowledge in the subject is apparent since you obviously don't own a modded X-Box. You shouldn't talk about things that you don't know much about.

    15. Re:Bittorrent... by nawspac · · Score: 1

      I highly doubt xbox live will compare to system link play. With the original Halo, we would have 4 systems linked playing with up to 16 people almost every weekend.

    16. Re:Bittorrent... by Pendragn_tk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You make it sound as though downloading it today and buying it when it comes out are mutually exclusive. That's not the case. A "true Halo fan" could very easily download the game today because they are excited to play it AND pay for it when it becomes available. It does happen.

      tk

    17. Re:Bittorrent... by Swampy0007 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      How? I own a modded xbox and am curious as to whether you're actually telling the truth or you just decided to make up this "magical BIOS" that allows you to go on XBLive while still retaining the ability to play copies. A link to such would go a long way towards backing up your statement.

    18. Re:Bittorrent... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      ...except we aren't talking about "true fans", but Joe College who doesn't feel like paying for shit these days.

    19. Re:Bittorrent... by ifitzgerald · · Score: 1

      It may have come across that way, but I don't feel that downloading Halo 2 and then buying it is stealing from Bungie. A major argument for downloading games and music is "If I download a game (or song) and I really like it, I'll go out and buy it." I'm willing to bet, though, that most people who say that won't actually go out and buy it no matter how much they like it or use it. For those of you that actually ARE going to purchase the game after downloading it (or renting it at a video store and copying it to your harddrive), I have a lot of respect for you. For those of you that won't buy it... Well, that's a horse of a different color.

    20. Re:Bittorrent... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      That's not true. A modded Xbox can NOT play on Xbox Live while the mod is enabled.

      If you disable the mod, you can play online. But then you can't play burned games.

      Also, having a modded Xbox and using Xbox Live has the potential to get your Xbox banned if you accidentally leave the modchip on and it decides to check for updates (happened to me. I couldn't stop it because I was setting up a new TV and couldn't see what was on the screen).

      I don't think I could resist this download if I see it, as I do have a modded Xbox (and a non-modded one).

      I'm 100% going to buy Halo 2... heck, I'll probably end up picking up two copies for both of my Xboxes (for 8+ player sweetness). But I don't think I could resist the early taste of what is sure to be a fantastic single player game.

    21. Re:Bittorrent... by alset_tech · · Score: 4, Informative
      Rather, they will buy legit copies of Halo 2, and pay the developers the respect, and money, that they deserve for producing such an awesome game. People who steal from Bungie are not true Halo fans.

      Not intended as a troll, and though offtopic, I believe this to be an important and defining trait among many in the /. community, deserving attention.

      Music can't be stolen, but software can. Why?

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    22. Re:Bittorrent... by cbirdsong64 · · Score: 1

      A true Halo fan wouldn't want to play the damn thing in French for the first time.

    23. Re:Bittorrent... by Pendersempai · · Score: 1
      People who steal from Bungie are not true Halo fans.

      It's a GAME, dude, not a religious icon. People who steal from Bungie may not be true BUNGIE fans, but they can certainly be true Halo fans. What is more fanlike than wanting to see the game as early as possible?

    24. Re:Bittorrent... by irc.goatse.cx+troll · · Score: 1

      So no true halo fans are french?

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    25. Re:Bittorrent... by WormholeFiend · · Score: 5, Funny

      A true Halo fan wouldn't want to play the damn thing in French for the first time

      CTF is sure going to be interesting with two white flags.

    26. Re:Bittorrent... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Holy shit that was the funniest thing I have read in a long, long time. My hat is off to you, sir.

    27. Re:Bittorrent... by EvilSporkMan · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Software is not able to be "performed".

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    28. Re:Bittorrent... by hirebrand · · Score: 1

      mod parent up! lol

    29. Re:Bittorrent... by SilentChris · · Score: 1

      Supposedly, they'll allow multiple Xboxes to play as a team from the same net connection. At the very least, 4 players will be able to play off the same TV online. We'll see.

    30. Re:Bittorrent... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actaully what you speak of did happen to me. It started trying to get updates but I yanked the chord out so fast lol. The main reason I have a modded x-box is just for like music, movies, etc etc. Yeah I use it to test out games I normally wouldn't buy, just incase they're magically good. I have yet to be surprised by a game I've downloaded though.

      I own Halo, I own PC Halo, I buy all of my games legit that are worth the money. Of course any game I play online I buy too, I was just simply stating that it is possible to play on XBL with a modded x-box. Personally, I don't do it, I disable the mod...it really isn't worth the headache anymore. Especially with companies like Valve using Steam it is really just a pain in the ass to try and get around every game that has their own security measures.

      I download crappy games, and I buy good games.

    31. Re:Bittorrent... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's probably worth $50, but console games are around 650 SEK in Sweden which with todays exchange rate would be $88.50 .. a bit expensive maybe...

    32. Re:Bittorrent... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no such bios that allows you online however there are bioses like Evox M8 that keeps your Live games/Live aware games from trieing to autosign you in. Quite handy I might say.

    33. Re:Bittorrent... by TRIEventHorizon · · Score: 0

      LOL!!!

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    34. Re:Bittorrent... by Various+Assortments · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Isn't it a bit simple-minded to see a message board community as a single entity with contradicting views? It IS made up of individuals, who speak up at different times when different issues that appeal to them are being discussed.

    35. Re:Bittorrent... by Yell0wDart · · Score: 1

      Then just who did the original version of Halo??? Bungie did Halo 1... and Bungie did Halo 2. Sounds like the same organisation to me.

    36. Re:Bittorrent... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well... it's a good way for those "fans" to insure there won't be a Halo 3 if the released version doesn't sell enough. So it must not be very "true fan"-like.

    37. Re:Bittorrent... by reedmon29 · · Score: 1

      What is more fanlike than wanting to see the game as early as possible?
      Yes, you are a fan. But you are not a true fan. What he was saying is that a true fan would buy the product to help the manufacturer.

    38. Re:Bittorrent... by JizzMast3rZ3r0 · · Score: 1

      Please tell me you're not implying that a game which supposedly sold 2 million presales is not going to sell enough copies to warrant another game in the series?!????!!?? C'mon now, be realistic.. it will sell just fine

    39. Re:Bittorrent... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      keep your damn pants on. it WILL sell, and it WILL sell big

    40. Re:Bittorrent... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      haha funniest damn post i,ve read on here.

    41. Re:Bittorrent... by halowolf · · Score: 1
      And if you know who is doing the downloading then Bungie wants to know..

      Looks like MS may go to some lengths to stop the piracy of this game, and in this instance I say more power to them!

    42. Re:Bittorrent... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's only the french version anyway. All you get to do is stand there and surrender.

    43. Re:Bittorrent... by FluffyPanda · · Score: 1

      Well, let's see. I have a modded Xbox, I bought it (unmodded) in italy. It came with Halo, which I expected to be in italian. It was in spanish, subtitled in spanish. I don't speak spanish. Having already completed it in coop mode with a mate I knew the plot so it shouldn't matter to me, but I bought the PC version in english anyway. So I've bought Halo twice, and have every intention of buying Halo 2. I still think that I might download it first, just to give me something good to play for the next month. I did it with Warhammer 40k Dawn of War (downloaded while waiting for my pre-order to deliver) and Doom 3 (while waiting for the copy bundled with my graphics card to arrive). I've paid for them, why shouldn't I be allowed to start playing immediately? At least valve's steam makes day-of-release play possible legally, I'd prefer not to have to use bittorrent. I just hope that I don't contribute to those "lost earnings due to piracy" statistics that the publishers like to flaunt.

    44. Re:Bittorrent... by FluffyPanda · · Score: 1

      Well, let's see.

      I have a modded Xbox, I bought it (unmodded) in italy. It came with Halo, which I expected to be in italian. It was in spanish, subtitled in spanish. I don't speak spanish. Having already completed it in coop mode with a mate I knew the plot so it shouldn't matter to me, but I bought the PC version in english anyway.

      So I've bought Halo twice, and have every intention of buying Halo 2. I still think that I might download it first, just to give me something good to play for the next month.

      I did it with Warhammer 40k Dawn of War (downloaded while waiting for my pre-order to deliver) and Doom 3 (while waiting for the copy bundled with my graphics card to arrive).

      I've paid for them, why shouldn't I be allowed to start playing immediately? At least valve's steam makes day-of-release play possible legally, I'd prefer not to have to use bittorrent.

      I just hope that I don't contribute to those "lost earnings due to piracy" statistics that the publishers like to flaunt.

    45. Re:Bittorrent... by svnt · · Score: 1

      > Music can't be stolen, but software can. Why?

      Answer A:

      How many slashdotters are involved with software and understand the expense and work required to produce a worthwhile piece of it?

      Now, how many slashdotters work in the professional movie or music industry?

      Disassociation makes it easy to think of it as not stealing.

      Answer B:

      Granted, a lot of money goes into producing a top-end album and marketing it, but really, is there a sane reason CDs are $15 and the latest pop "musicians" are paid millions upon millions while truly insightful coders may lose their jobs if a product doesn't sell well?

      Who loses money if BMG comes up short? The guy running the sound board, or the producers who are willing to pay sums to put some Joe on your movie previews to say how terrible it is that you're stealing money from the stunt driver? If the execs and producers could pass all of the expense on to the employees you can bet they wouldn't be burning profit to put on commercials.

      Rationalization makes it easy to not think of it as stealing

    46. Re:Bittorrent... by CmdrMooCow · · Score: 1

      Since I cant boost this up past +5, I'll just post.

    47. Re:Bittorrent... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "From my understanding..."

      Your understand is wrong, or at least incomplete.

      MANY people don't give a rat's ass about multiplayer. It's not that I hate it myself, but Halo 1 was never really that GREAT of a multiplayer game anyway. It was a very good first person shooter. Not perfect, but still fun. And that's what I'd dare say more than half of the players care about.

      Literally NOBODY I know (and I know a lot of XBox owners) gives a shit about the Halo 2 multiplayer.

      The numbers of people you see screaming about XBox live support are from a demographic of players that also talk about such crap in forums.

      This may come as a bit of a shock to you, but they're a vocal minority. It just works out that the types who like to play online are also the types who like to talk about it in forums.

      MOST players like to play single player games, and MOST of those same players don't talk about it in forums. There is a connection, or something, I'm sure but who cares.

      Point is, Halo 2 will suck entirely if it's banking on people wanting to play it multiplayer. I personally am hoping for it to be as good as the 1st one, because I absolutely refuse to sign up for XBox Live.

    48. Re:Bittorrent... by mabinogi · · Score: 1

      two player co-operative - that's probably about as important as singler player (though sadly lacking in many games), or maybe second most important.

      But otherwise you're right...it's not for LAN or Live multiplayer that people buy Halo, there's better games for that.

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    49. Re:Bittorrent... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Any true gamer would like to play what ever game in hers or his native language.

      English is a minor language on earth you know...

  2. Push the release back? by bigdady92 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Ever try to stand in front of a typhoon with an umbrella?

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    1. Re:Push the release back? by LaPistola · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah... it sucks.. I hate it for bngie.. they worked really hard on the game.. but it won't stop them from making money tho.. a million pre orders... but it also won't stop me from A. Buying the game.. and B. playing it when my friend with a modded xbox gets it today!! :)

    2. Re:Push the release back? by Domox · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ever stand in front of a mushroom cload in a bikini?

    3. Re:Push the release back? by Pope · · Score: 0

      I'm too fat to wear a bikini, you insensitive cload?

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    4. Re:Push the release back? by wolrahnaes · · Score: 1, Funny

      " I'm too fat to wear a bikini, you insensitive cload?"

      That doesn't stop a lot of fat people.

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    5. Re:Push the release back? by los+furtive · · Score: 1, Funny
      " I'm too fat to wear a bikini, you insensitive cload?"

      That doesn't stop a lot of fat people.

      That's because they are insensitive cloads :-)

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    6. Re:Push the release back? by Fred+Or+Alive · · Score: 3, Funny

      This thread is turning into a cload of bad jokes...

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    7. Re:Push the release back? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      That doesn't stop a lot of fat people.

      No, you need a plate of french fires to do that.

  3. So? by FinestLittleSpace · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Exactly why would this delay it? It's not the source, it's the compiled game... that's all. It happens with nearly every high-profile game (journalists are always so trustworthy...)...

    1. Re:So? by The-Bus · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Push up" means "make it sooner" -- that is, make it available in stores on October 16th. Sooner. So then you spend $ on Halo 2 instead of getting a friend to burn you a copy that is the French audio rip with UK subtitles.

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    2. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      with UK subtitles.

      Oh yeah, the would confuse the heck out of your average yank.

    3. Re:So? by Indras · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nobody expects them to delay their release, the question was: "Any chance this bombshell move could force MS/Bungie to push up the release date?"

      Knowing that it is available now on the internet, they would be wise to release it sooner to the public in order to turn would-be downloaders into sales. Halo 2 has such a high demand that the hardcore fans will download it if they can get it sooner, and once they have it, why bother paying for it?

      However, the percentage of customers who have modded xboxes, a fast connection to download a DVD image in a reasonable amount of time, the means to get it running, and who also won't buy the game when it comes out on shelves (and can stand playing the PAL version with French dialogue) are probably too small to matter to MS/Bungie, and not enough of a threat to their profits.

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    4. Re:So? by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      .. the writeup doesn't suggest it being _delayed_, it suggests that they should make it come earlier.

      1 month in advance is quite a bit.. enough for real fans of the first game to get this warez release.. and then if the game can't live up to it's own generated hype they might even be disappointed(and not buy it when it comes out).

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    5. Re:So? by cassidyc · · Score: 1

      Bear in mind that you would need a modded xbox to run it on.

      And can you all guess what wont connect to XBLive?

      modded xboxes

    6. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      who doesn't connect to Xblox Live anyway?
      Can you all guess?

      People with modded Xbloxes!

    7. Re:So? by gruntled · · Score: 1

      Actually, a couple of the stories, such as the one in the Register, mention Valve's claim that release of Half Life 2 source delayed release of that game, but I'd argue that the two situations aren't comparable.

    8. Re:So? by FinestLittleSpace · · Score: 2, Informative

      actually, they will... you just have to disable the mod chip.

    9. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But that would involve buying *gasp* original games!

      *cough*

    10. Re:So? by cassidyc · · Score: 1

      The copy is only good to play single player, if only because that's what was leaked, and bearing in mind that you would need an modded xbox to play the game, and can you guess what wont work on XBLive??

      correct answer a modded Xbox (at least not in modded mode)

      And bugger me if I don`t want to be kicking real peoples ass with the plasma sword.

      CJC

    11. Re:So? by Blob+Pet · · Score: 4, Funny

      I thought "push up" was a kind of bra.

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    12. Re:So? by Garak · · Score: 1

      You still should beable to play system link and split screen multiplayer. My roommates and I still play halo 1 all the time and have been waiting for halo 2.

      One of my roommates is going to go ahead and buy it for xbox live. But I'll bet he will be downloading it before the end of the day.

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    13. Re:So? by Politburo · · Score: 1

      Knowing that it is available now on the internet, they would be wise to release it sooner to the public in order to turn would-be downloaders into sales. Halo 2 has such a high demand that the hardcore fans will download it if they can get it sooner, and once they have it, why bother paying for it?

      This doesn't follow. The people that pirate games will pirate it. The people that buy games will buy it. The fact that it's available for download now isn't going to make buyers suddenly run out and mod their XBox because they can't wait a few weeks.

      Will there be a few people that do this? Probably. Is it worth changing the launch of the product? Nope.

    14. Re:So? by freqres · · Score: 1

      And most hard-core fans are part of the million or so pre-orders. This game is money in the bank before it's even released.

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    15. Re:So? by Savatte · · Score: 3, Funny

      I thought it was a kind of exercise, but I guess thats no the first thing that comes to the mind of slashdotter.

    16. Re:So? by Scherf · · Score: 1

      But then you can't play the downloaded version of Halo 2 any more.

    17. Re:So? by chrispy666 · · Score: 1

      on the one hand you have "push up bra", on the other hand you have "sweaty physical exercise" ...

      man, put your hands together :)

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    18. Re:So? by jftitan · · Score: 1

      Honestly, the Hardcore fans would download the French version just to get the head start on the would be "veterans". A week or two of extra practice would be very welcomed to the hardcore gamer.

      Now I surely don't doubt the willing downloader to as well purchase a legitimate copy just to play against those online. But the fact of the matter is, the downloader just got a few head starts over the regular gamers.

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  4. Any chance this bombshell... by hussar · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...could be a way of increasing the pre-release hype?

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    1. Re:Any chance this bombshell... by bigdady92 · · Score: 0

      I think bungie is websavy but not THAT websavy to offer their holy grail for the Xmas season up on the net to DL.

      Could be wrong, they could just replace the Master Cheif with a swarm of bees and be done with it.

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    2. Re:Any chance this bombshell... by SlamMan · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't think there's really much need increase the hype for Halo 2. Know anyone with an X-Box who's not getting it?

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    3. Re:Any chance this bombshell... by blackicye · · Score: 1

      I have an Xbox and I won't be getting Halo 2.

      I'm going to wait for a PC release, if it never comes out then oh well, I'll just have to stick to HL2 and CS:Source.

      Or just play

    4. Re:Any chance this bombshell... by alatesystems · · Score: 1

      I'm not getting it. I might get this french version to look at the pretty graphics, but I don't play FPS on consoles. It's too hard to control via 2 sticks when you're used to WASD(I actually use ESDF) and a mouse.

    5. Re:Any chance this bombshell... by FictionPimp · · Score: 0

      Me. I hated halo on the xbox. I hate fps games in general on the xbox. The pc version of halo also sucked, and was buggy. I'll be skiping this one.

    6. Re:Any chance this bombshell... by tolan-b · · Score: 1

      I disagree, I thought Halo's controls were pretty good, and I say that as a seasoned QWTF player ;)

      Obviously someone playing on sticks would lose to someone playing on mouse and keys in most games, but Halo was perfectly playable. I found I could flick the view round reliably with the sticks.

    7. Re:Any chance this bombshell... by SkyWalk423 · · Score: 1
      I'm also used to WASD/mouse controls on PC and I had no problems learning and getting pretty good with the sticks in Halo. Did you never play Goldeneye on N64? In Halo(xbox) and Goldeneye(n64) you've missed two of the most fun experiences in FPS history. All because "you don't play FPS on consoles."

      It takes a minute to get accustomed to the controls, but once you do it's heaven. How about giving it more than a two minute try?

    8. Re:Any chance this bombshell... by SeanDuggan · · Score: 1
      Ironically enough, it was playing Goldeneye on the N64 that convinced me to learn to use the WASD/Mouse configuration on the computer. I got used to using the strafe buttons and came to realize how much I was missing in FPS games but not using strafes with mouse-look. Although, admittedly, in earlier games like Doom, using the mouse and keyboard connection wasn't quite as easy with current games. It just doesn't feel right to me.

      But yeah, Goldeneye inspired me to go through the training course in Half-Life using the mouse/keyboard connection and the rest was history.

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    9. Re:Any chance this bombshell... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      The meaning of hype applicable in this case is "[exaggerated] or extravagant claims made especially in advertising or promotional material". If people can get their hands on the game it destroys the hype, because people can see quantitively exactly what the game consists of.

      In other words, by definition this could not increase the pre-release hype.

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    10. Re:Any chance this bombshell... by bigman2003 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Dude, how do you use QWTF?

      I mean, WASD and ESDF are okay, and they make sense. But QWTF? Do you have extra fingers or something? Is your hand permanently stuck in the Vulcan salute that you spent years perfecting? :-)

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    11. Re:Any chance this bombshell... by darc · · Score: 1


      The following gadget allows you to plug in a keyboard and mouse into an xbox or ps2, and configures them to emulate the joypads. Solved. Use your keyboard and mouse on the console.

      http://www.lik-sang.com/info.php?products_id=543 8# Product_features

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    12. Re:Any chance this bombshell... by WNight · · Score: 1

      He probably means, QuakeWorld:Team Fortress. He's old-school.

      Ahhh, them was the days. QWTF on Canalzone or one of the other non-fort type maps. Bliss!

    13. Re:Any chance this bombshell... by Gunslinger47 · · Score: 1
      Goldeneye's greatness was artifically inflated by the lack of other good console FPSs at the time. It was really the first time that console gamers had the opportunity to play a good deathmatch. PC gamers, on the other hand, had been playing on LANs or the Internet for years by that point.

      Sidenote: The original Halo has, in fact, been released on the PC.

    14. Re:Any chance this bombshell... by Repton · · Score: 1

      I've never understoof WASD... I mean, why cramp up your hand by shoving it all the way over the left side of the keyboard? I prefer TDGH --- that way, there are plenty of other keys in easy reach of my fingers...

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    15. Re:Any chance this bombshell... by notthe9 · · Score: 1

      I guess the QuakeWorld:Team Fortress comment was probably right, but I could see using QWTF as motion controls. Plase your ring and middle fingers on Q and W and your pointer between T and F. Use T and F for the forward/backward direction and Q and W fro right/left.

    16. Re:Any chance this bombshell... by notthe9 · · Score: 1

      The following gadget allows you to plug in a keyboard and mouse into an xbox or ps2, and configures them to emulate the joypads. Solved. Use your keyboard and mouse on the console. http://www.lik-sang.com/info.php?products_id=5438# Product_features chmod +x /dev/random;/dev/random #faster than monkeys and typewriters I don't know what was solved, since I don't think he had a problem, but I did want to thank you for that link. That is a really nifty little gadget, I might pick one up to assure I do not get as badly pwned anymore.

    17. Re:Any chance this bombshell... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i use PWND

    18. Re:Any chance this bombshell... by SkyWalk423 · · Score: 1

      Couldn't you use the same argument against Quake then? Being a "first" doesn't diminish Goldeneye's (or Quake's) greatness in my eyes. In hindsight it may not be the best FPS ever, but still to this day I've not had more fun deathmatching with my friends with any other game than I had with Goldeneye.

    19. Re:Any chance this bombshell... by tolan-b · · Score: 1

      Hell yeah ;p

      I was quite a fan of Forts though. But my favourite was probably Bam4, great scouting map. Not a popular choice it seems though.

    20. Re:Any chance this bombshell... by WNight · · Score: 1

      I liked some of the forts, but I was always in it for the complex game modes and the non-symetrical maps. Way more to learn.

  5. sorry.... by DigitalGlass · · Score: 2, Funny

    no, the'll take valves approach and delay it indefinatley

    1. Re:sorry.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's a bit different in this case because the game is already done.

  6. No Chance... by Ionizer7 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Pirates will be pirates, law abiding citizens will be law abiding citizens. There is probably alot more to this release date, there is most likely alot of TV ads and magazine ads that are set to launch at the same time.

    1. Re:No Chance... by cheekyboy · · Score: 1

      and microsoft isnt a law abiding citizen either, so we are even :)

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  7. Damn those Frogs! by CodeWanker · · Score: 4, Funny

    Okay, okay. First they invent a language where you DON'T SAY MOST OF THE LETTERS IN A WORD. Then they sell nuclear reactors to Iraq. Then they infiltrate Burger King with criossandwiches. But THIS is going too damned far.

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    1. Re:Damn those Frogs! by DikSeaCup · · Score: 0
      You know, I'm writing this book that takes place in France. Now, when everyone in a conversation understands a language, I just write it all in English and put in an "in French" note somewhere. But I was thinking, since there's at least one convo so far where a majority of the folk there *don't* speak French, it would have been cool to know enough French to type out the convo. Until I read your message.

      Because, with the accents I'm trying to impart to the reader, phonetics are a PITA sometimes. And if French isn't mostly phonetic, that would suck.

    2. Re:Damn those Frogs! by Planesdragon · · Score: 1

      Spell it wrong.

      Go to your local High School and find someone to help you write the conversation in French, and then have that person read it into a tape. Then write down what you hear, phonetically.

      Or, use french grammar and English words.

    3. Re:Damn those Frogs! by gidds · · Score: 4, Funny
      First they invent a language where you DON'T SAY MOST OF THE LETTERS IN A WORD.

      You've probably never seen Gaelic, then... (Even its name has been spelled Gaedhealg, Gaedhilg(e), Gaedhealaing, Gaeilic, Gaelainn, Gaoidhealg, Gaolainn, and Gaeilge!)

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    4. Re:Damn those Frogs! by MORB · · Score: 1

      As funny as it is, saying you don't say most letters in a word is exagerated. I think you could say "don't say most letters in SOME words", although most of the time, it's not so much that you don't say them that they form a particular sound in combination with other letters. I can give you that some of such combinations are a little weird and redundant (like o, au, and eau all sounding the same), but hey, we're french :p

    5. Re:Damn those Frogs! by protectr · · Score: 0

      If you need help at writing french, drop me a mail. I may be able to help you.

      Je suis québécois d'origine.

    6. Re:Damn those Frogs! by Sentry21 · · Score: 1

      In one IRC channel I was in one time, we sat around trying to spell our names in Gaelic. I think the best I managed was Dkghaeryghiagnneh (Darien). Others had names that lent themselves better to obscene exaggerations, but unfortunately, I could only do so much.

      Ghkaelicchke is a fun language though.

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    7. Re:Damn those Frogs! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "they invent a language where you DON'T SAY MOST OF THE LETTERS IN A WORD"

      ya, ah fin ah go do da ri way ...having lived in Dixie would help you understand.

    8. Re:Damn those Frogs! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do you like the dutch words 'angstschreeuw' and 'papegaaieei' ?

      (a shout caused by fear, and a parrot's egg)

      Both are perfectly pronounceable - by native dutch speakers, that is.

    9. Re:Damn those Frogs! by DikSeaCup · · Score: 0, Troll
      What I want to know is how all the French guys on Slashdot got so many mod points today.

    10. Re:Damn those Frogs! by WormholeFiend · · Score: 1

      You could write it in Faux-French, like the French in Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

      Correct me if I'm wrong, but IIRC Douglas Coupland used some Faux-French sparingly in his book Microserfs, for the French female bodybuilder, I think.

    11. Re: Damn those Frogs! by gidds · · Score: 1
      If we come to that, I might have to mention the Cat word 'Jozxyqk'. It's the sound you make when you get your sexual organs trapped in something...

      But then, even English has 'uoiauai', 'Twyndyllyngs', and 'jussieuean'.

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    12. Re:Damn those Frogs! by hibiki_r · · Score: 1

      You've find out that Gaelic was the inspiration for the classic flash animation A Jorb Well Done. Good jeooaogrb Homestead!

    13. Re:Damn those Frogs! by ultramk · · Score: 1

      What do you expect from an Insensitive Claude?

      j/k

      m-

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    14. Re:Damn those Frogs! by heffrey · · Score: 1

      I suppose selling nuclear reactors to a country is better than selling them chemical weapons...

    15. Re:Damn those Frogs! by heffrey · · Score: 1

      Actually French pronounciation is much easier than English. Apart from historical propert names (e.g. towns etc.) it follows rules. All the time.

    16. Re:Damn those Frogs! by G-funk · · Score: 1

      Hehehe... Used to date an Irish girl by the name of Caoimhe (kweeva)... I feel your pain ;-)

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  8. Amazing. by ninjeratu · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's not like ALL games end up on FTPs, torrents, DC, whatnot. :P

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    1. Re:Amazing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Just the good ones...

    2. Re:Amazing. by Stanneh · · Score: 0

      Trust me all games as important as this end up on ftp's and all other types of p2p file sharing

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  9. Why am I not surprised. by SHiVa0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This has been like this for years. For as long as the "scene" exists. Nothing to see here, move along. But frankly, the more intermediate poeple getting their hands on the Gold master before it's heading out to press, the easier it is to leak.

    1. Re:Why am I not surprised. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    2. Re:Why am I not surprised. by Ayaress · · Score: 1

      I'm not suprised by it either. It happens with most games.

      However, who wants to start taking bets on if Gabe Noel just got his password guessed yet again? (after getting "gabe" and "gaben" hacked, maybe now its "GaBeN"?)

  10. Umm.. by zxv · · Score: 1

    Does anyone understand why this could force them to push up the release date?

    1. Re:Umm.. by dts2323 · · Score: 1

      If the illegal ISOs started moving freely around the internet then MS/Bungie could be concerned that this will cut into their initial sales. I would imagine they are hoping to set records with this release and if a large number of people who are HALO fanatics have feverishly downloaded this now so that they can get their hands on it they would then no longer be as likely to be sitting outside of the game store at midnight on the release date freezing their ass off to be the 'first one' to have it. Personally I doubt they will move the date up because it is unlikely they could ramp up production or the publicity enough in a short time to be effective. Probably, they will just go around frantically sueing people.

    2. Re:Umm.. by reedmon29 · · Score: 1

      If I were them, I'd delay the game for about a month, then sue the ******* out of every person who downloaded it. Eventually a few morons will have to try to play the crack on Xbox live...

      Just think, $100,000 per person... just sue like 10 people and you got a million right there, if they can pay.

    3. Re:Umm.. by jorenko · · Score: 1

      If they're going to set records with this release, then they need time to manufacture more discs than have ever been sold upon release before... they're probably already pushing it to print and ship that many in only a month.

    4. Re:Umm.. by funk49 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      umm...because it ruins the marketing plan that they had designed for this launch. Bungie devises a plan around the launch date (print, television, video, etc) and they focus on the timing of the date and how all of the aspects of the campaign tie in together.

      This is the same reason that U2 was going to release their album early if the stolen version made it onto the internet. It ruins that way the company can market the record and can effectively promote the singles in the correct order at radio. In effect, it takes all marketing control out of the hands of the company.

    5. Re:Umm.. by BlameFate · · Score: 1

      They'll have to make sure every Xbox owner buys at least one copy to get close to and eclipse GTA: Vice City due to the Xbox' smaller userbase than the PS2's... I expect GTA: San Andreas and Gran Turismo 4 also coming in the next few weeks to go big, purely because the installed userbase is bigger worldwide. Biggest North American release? - Xbox seems to be stronger in the American market then anywhere else, but I have no recent numbers.

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  11. Up the release? Nah. by Yolegoman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They've hyped November 9th too much. I just can't see Bungie changing their release date, no matter how many reasons there may be.

    I don't even have an Xbox, but what is the hardware you would need to burn the Xbox ISO once you downloaded it off P2P? I'm merely curious.

    CD burner? DVD burner? Xbox equipped with modchip or no?

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    1. Re:Up the release? Nah. by EvilCabbage · · Score: 5, Funny

      I don't even have an Xbox, but what is the hardware you would need to burn the Xbox ISO once you downloaded it off P2P?

      A modded X-box and a crossover cable. That's all, er.. so I hear.

    2. Re:Up the release? Nah. by truz24 · · Score: 3, Informative

      dvd burner, modded xbox, its a dvd9 release of the game meaning it won't fit on a regular dvd5 dvd. So if you don't have a DVD9 burner(which most people don't at this point) you have to either copy it onto your XBox or find someone that has a DVD9 burner.

    3. Re:Up the release? Nah. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It gonna need a modded or softmodded Xbox. (The Xbox now can be "modded" through software exploits.)

      Then either a DVD burner and softwate or FTP connection to the Xbox with XISO extraction software (available free).

      It's unbelievable how easy it is to run homebrew software (and, unfortunately, pirated software) on the Xbox, considering the lengths MS went to to secure it.

      Thankfully, all the pirates *wont* be able to play on Xbox Live (as it requires an unmodified kernel and is checked at logon). There is some justice...

    4. Re:Up the release? Nah. by bo0ork · · Score: 3, Informative
      Halo.2.DVD5.Kit.READNFO.XBOX-iND

      This little kit automatically will Make The Halo 2 DVD9 into a DVD5. all you do is extract all the files to where you have diff-hl2.iso and then click halo2dvd5.bat - it will unpack the ISO, Remove 1 movie [attractions] and Repack it to make it a DVD5..it also removes dashupdate.xbe.

      then simply burn Halo2_DVD5.iso!

      the next question, why? Because im sure some credit whoring group would come along, and release a Rip of it calling it a DVD5..

      so why let some credit whores release another 4.3gb, when ive done whats needed in 30kb? =)

      on another note.

      Hey GGS, is this Rip 'Xbox-Live Compatible' too? ;)

      make sure you have a bit of free drive space, it needs a temp dir [which it removes afterwards] to do its work.
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    5. Re:Up the release? Nah. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you have an Xblox modded with the right chip, you can just hook up your Xblox to PC via Ethernet and xfer the game onto your 120GB Xblox Harddrive.

    6. Re:Up the release? Nah. by digital.prion · · Score: 2, Funny

      I don't even have a Ferrari but if I wanted one which wires would I cross?
      I am merely curious.

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    7. Re:Up the release? Nah. by BlackHawk-666 · · Score: 1

      Indeed. Release dates are incredibly hard to move, as any software developer could attest. The marketing and distribution machines are kicked into gear months in advance of shipping so it just isn't even remotely feasible to make the release earlier. They hold press conferences, make press releases, and have all the pressing and artwork issues to deal with. Nothing to see here folks, expect the release on the expected release date.

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    8. Re:Up the release? Nah. by Inda · · Score: 1

      "FTP connection to the Xbox with XISO extraction software (available free)."

      QUIX is an easier solution. It has some extra features too; like renaming the game title in the default.xbe file. It saves getting the hex editor out.

      "Thankfully, all the pirates *wont* be able to play on Xbox Live (as it requires an unmodified kernel and is checked at logon). There is some justice..."

      Who needs XBOX live? There is a tunneling application you use so that the XBOX believes it is on a LAN (but is actually on the internet). It works well and is also free. It shares my PC's internet connection through a crossover cable. I forget the name and cannot risk Googling it from here.

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    9. Re:Up the release? Nah. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And a DVD Burner and the software to create the ISO. XBox uses it's own special filesystem... afterwards the burned disc can only be used on a modded box, and live will not work with the disc.

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    10. Re:Up the release? Nah. by Ziak · · Score: 1

      Gamespy actually uses it this, so I know what your talking about, I played quite a few halo games back on the day on it the main problem with it was the fact that there was no net code so if there was any lag the game just stoped and said conection interupted, now if halo 2 is being writen for xbox live one can wonder if the lan version would have any net code making this version able to do the lan game more succesfull?

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    11. Re:Up the release? Nah. by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1
      it also removes dashupdate.xbe
      Now there's something worth mentioning: like the Star Wars Trilogy and The Hulk DVDs, Halo 2 will also update your XBOX dashboard.

      And for those who already have modded systems, being able to defeat this dashupdate.xbe could make the illegal copy more attractive than the official release! Even with it being in French with English subtitles in PAL video.
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    12. Re:Up the release? Nah. by op00to · · Score: 1

      xbconnect for those who don't like gamespy.

    13. Re:Up the release? Nah. by EvilGoodGuy · · Score: 1

      No burning of the ISO is needed. The Xbox comes with a harddrive equipped with about 6GB of free space on it, and Halo 2 is only 3GB at this stage, which is undoubtedly going to change. You could "softmod" [software moddification] the xbox, methods can be found on Xbox-Scene. So after softmodding your Xbox, you could then load it to the harddrive and play it. And Xbox Live will not be disabled, though please note, that to play Xbox Live you must be playing it from the original game disc. So you can not play Xbox Live off of the harddrive. This is because Xbox Live checks the BIOS of the Xbox to see if it has been modified. To load a game from the harddrive, you need to run a modified BIOS, whether it is on boot, (hardware/modchip) or after a special sequence of commands causing a bootable-from-media BIOS to load (software).

    14. Re:Up the release? Nah. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      so why let some credit whores release another 4.3gb, when ive done whats needed in 30kb? =)

      Err, no... that would be 30kb plus 9GB, as opposed to 4.3GB. Doofus. Now everyone has to download 4.3GB, completely negating his excuse. Now he's guaranteeing someone (but not a proper release group) WILL release a 4.3 'rip', probably many people will, and they will all be different so you won't be able to multi-source nearly as well.

  12. Heh. by Devar · · Score: 5, Funny

    I like how on the front page directly under this story is the article U.S. Declares War on Intellectual Property Theft.

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    1. Re:Heh. by syberanarchy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I submitted this something like five minutes before that IP story showed up. Then, I had that same thought.

      Weird how stuff like that works.

      Honestly, I had thought this would have been on /. within like ten minutes of being put on GS.

    2. Re:Heh. by fbg111 · · Score: 1

      I guess we'll be deploying SpecOps forces into French internet cafes now. So, does Carnivore work on Minitel?

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  13. Hmmm. by Sevn · · Score: 1

    "Any chance this bombshell move could force MS/Bungie to push up the release date?"

    Yes.

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  14. It's up by jlefeld · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I saw the torrent available. Not that I really care much about it since I have no xbox, and I prefer Halo on PC over the xbox. I just like the controls on PC since I was so used to those.

    1. Re:It's up by theArtificial · · Score: 0

      Or perhaps this may be of interest to you: http://www.lik-sang.com/info.php?category=83&produ cts_id=5438&

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    2. Re:It's up by FLAGGR · · Score: 1

      If I had mod points, I would off-topic you :P
      We've heard the whole console vs pc control argument 9.4e9312 times, and it frankly is boring, and has nothing really to do with the article (halo2 + leaked == xbox controls suck?)

  15. I have seen it here. by mowler2 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    I have seen it here: The Piratebay

    1. Re:I have seen it here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod parent down, don't give the secret away.

  16. Information wants to be free? by Trolling4Columbine · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Or is it that people want information to be free (beer)?

    I suppose people would be downloading this as a backup to the product they already legally own, right? Oh wait, the game hasn't been released yet...

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    1. Re:Information wants to be free? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I pre-ordered it, Does that count?

    2. Re:Information wants to be free? by Torne · · Score: 2, Funny

      Information wants to be anthropomorphised.

    3. Re:Information wants to be free? by ajs · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The oft-misread quote, "information wants to be free," is interpreted as meaning that information has some kind of sense of its own needs. It's strange (or perhaps, in my pessimistic moments, not) that the foolishness of this notion prompts so many to ridicule it instead of thinking further and realizing that there is a second interpretation.

      Information "wants" to be free in the same sense that liquids "want" to seek a neutral level in a resevior-and-tube construct. Information "wants" to obey its natural laws. Without human interference, information propagates in ways which modern physics is just now (as in over the last 50 years or so) coming to terms with. The laws of information are fundamentally tied to the laws of physics in term of all of the means of propagation; from simple kinetic interaction to quantum entagnlement.

      When we try to impose our notions that "this information is useful" or "this information has value", we're imposing an artificial label, which other than the interesting fact that that label itself is information, is only a construct of our own making.

      When we try to hide information, fundamentally we are trying to block is propagation. To acknowledge that information wants to be free is to acknowledge that that information will naturally propagate, and any attempt to constrain it requires the application of work.

      Like damming a river, blocking information propagation is almost (perhaps entirely) impossible to do in absolute terms. There is a point of diminishing returns, and forces will naturally act against the restriction.

      When applied to the macroscopic level, the situation changes, just as Newton's and Dirac's physics are very different. When we look at the propagation of information on a large scale (let's say the ROM image of this game), we must take into account the macroscopic forces acting on it, while accounting for the abstract realities of information propagation. When we do that, we see that a balance of force (e.g. crackers and warez distributors wanting to distribute the information and IP owners wanting to restrict it), the reality that "information wants to be free" acts to tip the balance in favor of the force acting to restrict it least. In other words, the reality that Feldman showed us in watermaking (that theory shows us that perfect watermarking is impossible) appears to be a universal phenomenon: placing restrictions on information is a fundamentally losing game.

      There's still profit to be made from building a good dam, just as long as you accept that you can never completely stop water from evaporating, running under-ground or blowing over the dam as spray and that when you try, you will end up spending increasingly large amounts of energy for increasingly small returns.

    4. Re:Information wants to be free? by theArtificial · · Score: 0

      I just wanna hear master cheif say 'En Garde' or some such when he opens a can of woopass ;) or a german release would be kinda cool 'Warthog! Schnell!'

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    5. Re:Information wants to be free? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or perhaps "Wildcat is on teh spoke!!"?

    6. Re:Information wants to be free? by sbma44 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Eh. I've already got a copy preordered. As a result, if I decide to download this, I won't be losing much sleep over the moral ramifications.

      I don't mean to downplay the damaging effects of piracy, but keep in mind that pirated xbox games can't be played on XBox Live. For a game like this, I think an early start to piracy won't do much to effect its blockbuster status.

      Unfortunately, I now feel compelled to download it and wrestle with the french menus, if only so that I won't get massacred online on its release date.

    7. Re:Information wants to be free? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Without human interference, information propagates in ways which modern physics is just now (as in over the last 50 years or so) coming to terms with.

      While I agree with the gist of your comment, information as the quote in question discusses it is talking about the kind of information which only propagates through human interference. If all the humans left earth tomorrow the exchange of this type of information would drop sharply, and then gradually taper off as automated systems failed, until it stopped altogether.

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    8. Re:Information wants to be free? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      its a back up to the preorder over 1 million people already paid for, waht if fedex drops the box and your game is hosed on delivery?!

    9. Re:Information wants to be free? by ajs · · Score: 1

      If all the humans left earth tomorrow the exchange of this type of information would drop sharply, and then gradually taper off as automated systems failed, until it stopped altogether.

      Not at all. Humans instigate a great deal of information transfer, which is not surprising. Human history has been one of the more exothermic events in earth's biosphere (not the planet as a whole, of course), and information so far appears to be a by-product of thermodynamics.

      However, information transfer continues regardless. What you're trying to get at is that the information transfer that remained would not, on the whole, be terribly interesting to humans (e.g. bugs eating the paper of a book and being eaten by birds who then excrete the waste in a pattern which decreases over the distance from the book, propagating that information (in a new form) in a simple wave-front)With that I will agree, but I won't agree that it's a terribly interesting point.

      While we ARE here spewing out CDs, books, tapes, papers, keystrokes, body language and all sorts of other information, we are shaping the infosphere. Our mistake is in thinking that by shaping it, we are able to gain control over it.

      Just as in Felton's example with watermarking, the laws of math and physics ultimately work against you, presenting points of diminishing returns in every such endevor. If you think that the distribution of a video game over the Internet isn't governed at all levels by the laws of math and physics, you are quite mistaken.

  17. PR by eddy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't think anyone [sane] is suggesting that Bungie/MS leaked it themselves on purpose, but they might want to take the lemon and make lemonade out of it, by molding it into a huge PR gimmick.

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  18. Arrr arrr me hearties by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ahoy!

    Aye, talk like a piiiiiiiiiiiraaaate day haz been extended me mateees.

    Shiver me timbers, bring me some halo 2 smartly now ye blige rats.

    Arr arr

    1. Re:Arrr arrr me hearties by mfh · · Score: 1

      Shiver me timbers, bring me some halo 2 smartly now ye blige rats.

      That's bilge rats.

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    2. Re:Arrr arrr me hearties by Dracolytch · · Score: 1

      YOU need a copy of Pirate Speak! A free and wonderfully pointless program to create pirate-y insults. (Designed for users of YoHoHo Puzzle Pirates)

      http://www.dracosoftware.com/software.php

      ~D

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    3. Re:Arrr arrr me hearties by TheAntiCrust · · Score: 1

      Becuase a real pirate would spell correctly?

    4. Re:Arrr arrr me hearties by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      You can have the bilge rats, I'll take the blige rats, thanks.

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    5. Re:Arrr arrr me hearties by crimson30 · · Score: 1

      3.4 megs and I can't even run it (no .net here). A bit bloated and inconvenient, no?

      In fact, that's worse than the time I made a paint program that required the latest Direct X!

    6. Re:Arrr arrr me hearties by Dracolytch · · Score: 1

      It's the damn Microsoft Installer. The real program's under 100k, but the .msi bullshit is insane. Don't have the money for a real installer, and I don't know of any open source onces that do .net stuff easily. Ugh.

      Suggestions are always welcome.

      ~D

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    7. Re:Arrr arrr me hearties by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All you need to do is ditribute the .msi
      Most people already have the microsoft installer on their systems. I just unzipped the .msi of it and it installed fine.
      ye unwashed brine wanna-be buccaneer

  19. BBC article also by hereschenes · · Score: 4, Informative
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  20. Re:Conspiracy by HitByASquirrel · · Score: 1, Insightful

    You can't spell Conspiracy without piracy.

  21. shhhh by fafaforza · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Gamespot reports that Halo 2 has already been leaked to the internet via French newsgroups

    Sssssshhhhhhhhhhhhuddup... That's the one thing they haven't tried to shut down yet. Let's just agree to lump usenet under the broad umbrella of "p2p filesharing software".

    1. Re:shhhh by PeeweeJD · · Score: 1

      Let's just agree to lump usenet under the broad umbrella of "p2p filesharing software".

      Not all usenet, just french usenet..

  22. I don't approve of this, of course... by Pantero+Blanco · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...but it's insanely amusing that it happened right before the "US Declared War on Intellectual Property Theft".

    IP Theft pre-emptively attacked!

    1. Re:I don't approve of this, of course... by A_Non_Moose · · Score: 1

      ...but it's insanely amusing that it happened right before the "US Declared War on Intellectual Property Theft".

      IP Theft pre-emptively attacked!


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  23. I have only one thing to say about this: by Killjoy_NL · · Score: 0, Redundant

    YAR!

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  24. Gone Gold by Dracolytch · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If I remember correctly, Halo 2 has already gone gold. It'll be difficult to increase the speed of a release at this point. There are a lot of logistical factors that they'll have to overcome to increase production for an immediate release.

    If they DO release sooner, and there aren't enough copies, that will also cause a case where people will go to the 'net for the game.

    ~D

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    1. Re:Gone Gold by Libor+Vanek · · Score: 1

      What's "lot of logistical factors" when all you need it Torrent file? .-)

    2. Re:Gone Gold by gilesjuk · · Score: 1

      Logistical obstacles that can be overcome by releasing it on the Internet via a paid download.

      They could release the game now if they did this and save customers a fair amount as there would be less need for box design, posters, shipping, CD pressing etc..

      People are impatient, some pirate the game simply as they want it now, it's finished and they don't see why they have to wait a month or so before it is released. Often by the time the game has been officially released they're bored of it and aren't going to purchase it.

    3. Re:Gone Gold by Dracolytch · · Score: 1

      That won't work well for an unmodded xbox though. You'd have to make it a paid download, and then show people how to get around xbox security for a burned dvd to work, or how to run a copied game from off of the xbox HD. They're trapped in their own copy protrection.

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    4. Re:Gone Gold by blowdart · · Score: 1

      Logistical obstacles that can be overcome by releasing it on the Internet via a paid download.

      It's an X-box game. Right now live supports downloading levels (including ones you pay for - thanks PGR2, those were shitty). Whilst it might not be hard to imagine you could offer a complete game for download that's going to be a very very big file.

    5. Re:Gone Gold by gilesjuk · · Score: 1

      Fair enough for consoles, but for the PC it's not a problem.

      Sure you run into copy protection issues, but these can be overcome by logging IDs and IP addresses when the game is played online.

  25. Up == Forward, Up != Back by Quikyn · · Score: 1

    could force MS/Bungie to push up the release date The poster means that it may bring the release date forward, to reduce lost sales. That's assuming people downloading the game translates to lost sales, which itself is of course an unresolved ever-raging debate.

    1. Re:Up == Forward, Up != Back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We must go forward, not backward, upward, not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards release!

  26. Re:Conspiracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That would be a great arguement if the game hadn't gone gold before being leaked.

  27. Get it from here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative
    1. Re:Get it from here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      We don't want it

    2. Re:Get it from here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DO NOT post links to Suprnova from here fucktard! Do you really want to draw attention to them, and ruin it for everybody that uses it?

    3. Re:Get it from here by jrf83317 · · Score: 0

      ASSHOLE!!! WHY? This incident could destroy the bittorrent communities.

    4. Re:Get it from here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Holy shiat, what's this suprnova thing???
      Known trackers: 161699 seeded torrents (268475 total), 2446717 seeds & 3695090 downloaders (6141807 peers), on 1265 active trackers.

      plz don't tell anyone!!!!

    5. Re:Get it from here by spectecjr · · Score: 1

      Good. It seems they're all just illegally distributing copyrighted material anyway. Nothing wrong in destroying that.

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  28. It's a shame... by FunkDaddy · · Score: 0

    Bungie is one of those companies that I love and they deserve every penny they get from my purchase. They are passionate about what they do and have a great community. But what with the internets and all, it's bound to happen.

  29. This is simply untrue by Killjoy_NL · · Score: 4, Informative

    "It should be noted that players who download the game illegally could face a maximum penalty of $100,000 per infringement for copyright violations."

    In the Netherlands at least it's legal to download, but illegal to upload stuff like this.

    I'd like to see them try to extradite an infringer. :P

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    1. Re:This is simply untrue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Well, it should be noted that downloading software is also illegal under dutch law. (it has a special clause for it in the law).

      Downloading music is not illegal in .nl.

    2. Re:This is simply untrue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is not true. In the Netherlands, it's legal to download music, or virtually all other copyrighted things, but not software. That's an exception.

    3. Re:This is simply untrue by jacoplane · · Score: 1

      "It's legal but it ain't hundred percent legal, I mean, you just can't walk into a restaurant, roll a joint and start puffin' away. They want you to smoke in your home or certain designated places."
      "known as the hash bars ?"
      "ok, it's legal to buy it, it's legal to own it, and if you're the proprietor of a hash bar, it's legal to sell it. It's legal to carry it, but...but that dosen't matter, 'cause, get a load of this; all right, if you get stopped by a cop in Amsterdam, it's illegal for them to search you. I mean that's a right the cops in Amsterdam don't have."

    4. Re:This is simply untrue by Jedi+Alec · · Score: 1

      iirc back in the Clinton days they already passed a law that allows them to storm up our beaches if we were to hold an american soldier captive under suspicion of warcrimes. international justice court and all that stuff. so while they're at it the marines could take a detour and bust some nasty copyright infringers...í'm sure they'll love it here, plenty of water to play around in.

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    5. Re:This is simply untrue by laurensv · · Score: 1

      Vincent: Yeah, It breaks down like this, ok, it's legal to buy it, it's legal to own it, And if you're the proprietor of a hash bar, it's legal to sell it. It's legal to carry it, but...but that dosen't matter, 'cause, get a load of this; all right, If you get stopped by a cop in Amsterdam, it's illegal for them to search you. I mean that's a right the cops in Amsterdam don't have.
      obligatory reference

    6. Re:This is simply untrue by scottp · · Score: 1

      nicely done........greatest movie of all time

    7. Re:This is simply untrue by dfj225 · · Score: 1

      Hummm...so does that mean if you use software like bittorrent to download something like this in the Netherlands you are breaking the law?

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  30. Go figure.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When I actually have something insightful to say about this topic. I forget my password, and hotmail isn't working.

    Anyways: Back in the day, my friends used to work for a CD duplication plant. After a couple of the CDs have been duplicated, they give me some of the CDs (with no labels on them btw) and thats how I got most of my prerelease stuff 8)

    1. Re:Go figure.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I used to work in a CD dupe plant. Got much of my music and CD-ROMs that way. During the start of a run there were usually a good handful of disks that were visually unappealing but functional until we tweaked the injection moulding to behave with that stamper. Those babies were mine. Good promotional shit that only went to a few people, copies of Microsoft Office, etc...

  31. Hmmm.. by Gentlewhisper · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Any chance this bombshell move could force MS/Bungie to push up the release date?

    Not to be a throll, but I think it will only push up the release date for more draconian laws

    Come on! Why do they want to release things so early?! There is a difference between pissing people off, and really really pissing people off!

    1. Re:Hmmm.. by The-Bus · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Come on! Why do they want to release things so early?! There is a difference between pissing people off, and really really pissing people off!


      Erm, not quite. They set a date for November 9th based on a conversation much like this in June.

      "Well, we can't get it to retailers any later than the second week of November. It may sell-out, there might be shortages, and we want the retailers to be able to sell it at full price for a few weeks before needing to bundle it with a calendar or a CD for Black Friday."

      "Well, looks like Nov. 9th is it."

      "Can we do that?"

      "Well, shipping from the manufacturers will take about a week, so that puts us at Nov. 2. The actual manufacturer will need about 2 weeks to press the games and package them. We'll need two weeks before that to get review copies to the game magazines and finish the instruction manual. So that means we have to go gold no later than October 1st."

      "So that gives us about 4 months to test?"

      "Yeah... That should be enough right?"

      "Sure"

      ****

      Fast forward to a couple months later and Halo is done ahead of this deadline. By this time, everyone knows it comes out November 9th, and they've paid major bucks to buy ads from 10/15 to 12/20. They can still run the ads but they could change the date, should be easy enough.

      What's not easy is setting a date that's too early before the game is done. But now it is, so it's OK to wait a couple of weeks.
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    2. Re:Hmmm.. by YU+Nicks+NE+Way · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually, filling the channel takes about six weeks. The boxes will have been readied for the final CDs starting about two weeks ago, and the actual manufacture of the disks will have begun the morning the product went gold. The big delay lies in shipping the product to major distributors who must they reship to individual stores, which must then put up the displays, etc. Each individual step takes no more than a week, but there's not much parallelism in the distribution process.

  32. Re:Conspiracy by rnilz · · Score: 0

    er... i mean wtf... damn french pirates...

    That's freedom pirates!! ;-P

  33. Picking on Half Life 2? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Code leaked. Game leaked. Big difference there.

    Nice of them to pick on the guys who made one of the most popular PC games to date (and I'm sure increased PC sales quite a lot..).

  34. push up? by noisymime · · Score: 1

    OK probably a dumb question... But if the program is complete (as proved by the fact that its leaked, as if we didn't know it anyway) why isn't it just release already. I can never understand the long pause that occurs after games are apparently completed. I mean if they CAN push up the release date why wouldn't they?

    1. Re:push up? by Yolegoman · · Score: 1

      They can't, really. If they did, they would run out of supply within the first week. Technically, someone could hand you a completed, wrapped, original Halo 2 game today. But they can't just throw them around the world as they come off the production line... they have to release them all at once so that the public doesn't get mad.

    2. Re:push up? by RPI+Geek · · Score: 1

      There's no such thing as a dumb question, only dumb people.

      The reason is because they only went gold last week, and it takes time to actually produce the xx million copies that people preordered. Going gold means that they made the gold master that they can stamp all your precious copies from, and they can't suddenly increase the speed that the lines are moving at. They send out the very first copies to people who write reviews, and sometimes these people copy them and put them on bittorrent.

      Anything still unclear?

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    3. Re:push up? by noisymime · · Score: 1

      I'm just surprised that with something like this they wouldn't be able to at least meet some demand, even if it is localised. I would have thought it was in there interests. I'm from Australia so having to wait 1,2,6 months for get something after everyone else already has is no biggy. It's been a little while at least since it went gold and I hate to think the number of CD's they're able to stamp per day.....

    4. Re:push up? by shplorb · · Score: 1

      But if the program is complete (as proved by the fact that its leaked, as if we didn't know it anyway) why isn't it just release already. I can never understand the long pause that occurs after games are apparently completed. I mean if they CAN push up the release date why wouldn't they?

      Because it takes a fair amount of time to manufacture the media, package it up and ship it out to retailers. A game like this will also have a massive marketing budget that would have seen bookings for ad space made quite a while ago. You can't speed up those things, they're pretty much set in stone.

    5. Re:push up? by Yolegoman · · Score: 1

      It is sickening. That beautiful, beautiful game... it deserves to be burned once, on a gold disk, and archived forever.

    6. Re:push up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just adding to the several good responses in place.

      Beyond printing/stamping/distribution things, a lot of it ties into marketing. Once you set your date, you want to stick with it. All your ads in magazines and on web sites should remain accurate, etc. Plus, they time release dates to compete against other titles. E.g., they wouldn't want to release on the same weekend as Doom 3, so people on budgets would have to pick one or the other. Etc.

  35. Re:Conspiracy by orion41us · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I could see this happening to a game that does not have such a high demand/ratings for

    - i.e. Company A spends 2 years on a new game - It's full of bugs and is not getting any good reviews - a flop. they leek it. Then turn around and claim that the leeked version killed their profits and write it off come tax season.

  36. Re:They deserve it by Yolegoman · · Score: 2, Informative

    They have not once pushed the date back. Every rumor about release dates, aside from the official one at E3 2004, were just that, rumors. Mostly ones generated by gaming sites and whatnot.

    As for trailers, you're nuts. Of course they want to tease us. It's called marketting.

  37. Re:MS deserves any foul play by Pantero+Blanco · · Score: 1

    Yes, but did Bungie?

  38. This is Sad by shplorb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Whether you like Microsoft or not, this is bad. Many people have poured their hearts and souls into making that game not just because they like making cool stuff, but because they like to bring happyness to people. The person who leaked this clearly has no respect for the creators of the game.

    As a game developer, I urge you to show some respect for the creators of the game by not downloading or distributing it. My first game came out a couple of weeks ago on PS2 and XBox and it's both frustrating and disappointing to see it readily available on P2P networks. How would you like to see something you've worked on for 50+ hours a week for months on end being freely copied around?

    If you're intent on doing it, at least wait until the game has been released and if you like it, please buy it to support the developers. $50 isn't much to pay considering the number of hours of entertainment you get from the tens of thousands of man-hours and millions of dollars that would have gone into producing it - infinitely better value than a movie.

    1. Re:This is Sad by Penguinoflight · · Score: 1

      I appreciate your respect for developers, but disagree on one issue. You said wait until the game is released to download, and then buy it if you like it. Microsoft/Bungie has provided many people opportunities to play halo2 early, and I see nothing wrong with illegally downloading the game before it is available in the stores. When the game goes to stores, having an illegal copy isn't cool anyway, so you might as well get the tin box version.

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    2. Re:This is Sad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you want to bring happiness to people, then the more they spread the software, the better !

      Now if you want to make money out of a game, then you have to kill all those swappers

      And if you want both of the two, then you have to rely on the invisible hand. If people like your game, then they'll buy it.

      But, because many don't see the pointin' buying anymore (thanks consumerism !), then you should work in another field :)

      wiz

    3. Re:This is Sad by h0mer · · Score: 1

      In your opinion, is it wrong for someone to download it and start playing the single player missions, and then purchase it at retail for online play?

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    4. Re:This is Sad by SlashDread · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      "How would you like to see something you've worked on for 50+ hours a week for months on end being freely copied around?"

      I would like to see that as "Flattering".

      "/Dread"

    5. Re:This is Sad by Torne · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      I'd love to see something I've worked on for 50+ hours a week for months on end being freely copied around; it would show that I've achieved something that's really worthwhile.

    6. Re:This is Sad by shplorb · · Score: 1

      If people copy the game rather than buying it, we break even or we lose money on it. Either way, we don't have money to make more games so go out of business and there will be no more happyness for people.

      If we didn't have bills to pay then we'd make games for free, because it's what we love doing. But seeing as we have to pay for food, clothes and housing, etc. we have to charge money in exchange for our work.

      If people don't see the point in buying anymore, does that make it okay to steal food from a supermarket and should the farmers go and work in another field? ('scuse the pun)

    7. Re:This is Sad by Diabolus777 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm a game developper for a really small company and let me tell you this:

      Once the game's gone gold, it's in the publisher's hands. They bought the title and now hold the rights to it. So, if they decided to send promo copies to journalists (where 99% of leaks come from), then only the publisher is to blame.

      It's the business dynamic to send promos in order to get maximum exposure, make people drool by reading the reviews that are largely biased most of the time.

      If I see my game leaked and available before it's time, I wash my hands of it. I got paid for my work, and we sold the title. I'm not saying it's ok for people to distribute, but it's beign made so easy and tempting for them that nothing I'll say will make a difference. . .

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    8. Re:This is Sad by the_crowbar · · Score: 2, Interesting

      <rant> Not to knock your game (I have no idea which one it is), but of the 18+ PS2 titles I have I would readily go back in time and stop myself from spending my hard earned $50 on most of them. I have been satisfied with a very few titles. My favorites that I still play were bought for $20 as "Greatest Hits" titles. I did buy a couple of games brand new that I feel as if I got my money's worth from them. So out of the games I bought maybe four or five were worth my hard earned money. Most of the games I played through partway and then just quite. I felt most games were simply wasting my time. If game developers made games that had some replay value then more people would buy them. The small percentage that pirated the game would be inconsequential due to sheer volume of sales. </rant>

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    9. Re:This is Sad by shplorb · · Score: 1

      I'm not too sure how I feel about that. If you promise to buy it then I guess it's alright, but I think it would be more moral to wait until the developers release it so you can experience the whole package, or so to speak - there may be more to their game than just the code and data.

    10. Re:This is Sad by sabinm · · Score: 1

      Dukes of Hazzard. Rock on. I don't know what to say to the folks who are justifying their downloading the copy of any game. If you're going to steal it, why not just admit that you're a criminal?

      What you say makes sense. Those who try to justify the illegality of downloading the game don't make sense. I'm sorry that so many people who are gamers feel that way. Rest assured, if your game is fun to play, those of us who believe in compensating others for their work will not forget to reward your game with our wallet.

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    11. Re:This is Sad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      seriously, if you want people to buy more games make them better and cheaper, or at least avoid releasing shitty games that worth $60.
      I started buying those $60 retail games for the NES when i was like 12, at this time $60 is like the money you can spend for a complete semester, when you buy two games in a row that can be played for more than 3 days before being boring, you say to yourself "i'll never buy again one of this shitty games without playing it at least 3 days", and when the internet arrives you have a way to achieve this.
      i do this, dl all the games i'm interested in, buy all the games i can play more than 3 days, and sadly i don't often buy games...but delete a whole bunch of cd/dvd images
      (lol i even bought CSS, while everyone else on the servers are proud like hell to be playing with the emporio rlz)
      btw, i'm just saying what every single game release group have been saying for almost...18 years...

      If you like this game, Buy it !

    12. Re:This is Sad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea it is sad, a friend of mine was a level designer on Enter the Matrix, he didn't really care though if it was on the net or not.

      With this release though, many people will just want a copy, they will be playing it for many years to come. I would download it now, I've got my copy on pre-order and that surely isn't getting cancelled.

      Also cannot play Halo2 online w/a mod, or I didn't think you could.

      I think i'll be getting xbox live as well for Halo2.

    13. Re:This is Sad by shplorb · · Score: 2

      Would it be worthwhile when you lose your job because people copied the game instead of buying it and it doesn't make enough money to allow your company to keep running?

    14. Re:This is Sad by shplorb · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But what about royalties? Yes, a lot of studios essentially do 'work for hire' like that now - but what if something goes FUBAR and you run over budget and can't negotiate extra from the publisher, or the publisher decides to shitcan it?

      That's when you need royalties from your games to keep you afloat. Royalties can also provide enough revenue to allow the studio to break-away from doing licenses, invest in improving and developing their technology and not always being beholden to the publisher and getting larger royalties because the studio is then taking the risk by providing their own funding.

      I thought that was the dream of every developer - to have the financial security to do their own thing, but you seem to feel differently.

    15. Re:This is Sad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The food isn't readily copyable (at least not yet) and so it would be wrong to take food without permission unless you were _actually_ starving. Only one person can have each particular loaf of bread. It would be particularly wrong to steal food that someone else needs to eat, e.g. stealing food being sent to a refugee camp.

      There is no indication that production of video games would cease entirely (as you threaten) in the event that it was no longer profitable. With reduced costs for distribution (P2P networks) and marketing (the real fans will hear on the grapevine) your costs shrink, and we'd probably still see plenty of low budget video games created by small teams of volunteers. The hardest people to find seem to be 3D animators, who all think they're God's Gift, but some companies already use underpaid interns in that role.

      Several industries have been able to refactor their revenue generation to allow for the fact that human beings aren't inclined to pay for things that they can get for free. Maybe your next game will be paid for by a cereal company to give away in their re-launched breakfast products?

      So, I do pay for video games, $14 per month for my MMOG habit and the occasional $40-50 PS2 game. I also play a few Free Software games (which are often just as much fun as the "cheap" $5-10 shareware games I see friends playing) which have the added benefit to me (as a developer) that I can tweak things to work just the way I want, rather than catering to the common denominator commercial QA guys are simulating.

      FWIW I would pay a 3rd party organisation to produce a certain quantity of high quality video games for my PS2 if that's what it came to, even if the resulting games were distributed to everyone. I wouldn't pay much, but I'm sure some would pay more, and carefully rationed it would buy a lot more GTA3s, and a lot less Movie License, The Game.

    16. Re:This is Sad by shplorb · · Score: 1

      If you don't like it you can always trade it in for another. If you don't want to take the financial loss that would incur, rent it first.

      But then, that would take too much effort when clicking a few buttons on your computer to download a copy is so much easier.

    17. Re:This is Sad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it is sad I agree, but...

      spread happiness???
      heart and soul???
      50+ hours a week????

      You did get a monthly check from your boss, didn't you?
      (so stop whining)

      An illegal war is far worse than a illegal copy.

    18. Re:This is Sad by WhatAmIDoingHere · · Score: 1

      Who rents out PC Games?

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    19. Re:This is Sad by aztektum · · Score: 1

      Seeing as how it's already pre-sold 1 million(+?) copies I'm sure this will only be like the Eminem thing, where it's pirated but still sells a crap ton.

      As has already been mentioned, you can't play on Live with a modded box, and even though there is XBConnect, I'm sure people will fork over the scratch for a legit copy. I've talked to 15-20 alone that have their money for Halo 2 and an Xbox Live kit burning a hole in their pocket.

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    20. Re:This is Sad by shplorb · · Score: 1

      The food isn't readily copyable (at least not yet) and so it would be wrong to take food without permission unless you were _actually_ starving. Only one person can have each particular loaf of bread. It would be particularly wrong to steal food that someone else needs to eat, e.g. stealing food being sent to a refugee camp.

      A whole lot of people laboured to produce the loaf of bread, when you steal it they are not receiving payment for their labour. The same goes with copying a game - you make a copy and the developers are not getting payment for their labour.

      Stealing physical objects and making copies of games boil down to the same thing. Doing either shows a lack of regard and respect for the people who laboured to produce those products.

      There is no indication that production of video games would cease entirely (as you threaten) in the event that it was no longer profitable. With reduced costs for distribution (P2P networks) and marketing (the real fans will hear on the grapevine) your costs shrink, and we'd probably still see plenty of low budget video games created by small teams of volunteers.

      Games would not cease entirely, but you sure as hell can not look forward to games like Halo 2 being made by volunteers. The cost of the physical goods and distribution is tiny next to the cost of the labour - which is where most of the cost in developing a game is.

    21. Re:This is Sad by Tim+C · · Score: 1

      So, if they decided to send promo copies to journalists (where 99% of leaks come from), then only the publisher is to blame.

      Only the publisher? Not the journalist that actually leaked it?

      Sure, you can argue that the publisher was stupid for releasing it to a group that's well known for leaking stuff (assuming that's the case), but that doesn't excuse whoever actually leaked it, imho.

    22. Re:This is Sad by shplorb · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      spread happiness???
      heart and soul???
      50+ hours a week????

      You did get a monthly check from your boss, didn't you?
      (so stop whining)


      Some of us take pride in our work because we enjoy what we do.

      An illegal war is far worse than a illegal copy.

      Justify it how you want, but it is still wrong that you are depriving the developers of payment for their labour.

    23. Re:This is Sad by syberanarchy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      No, see... what I will do is this.

      I will probably end up D/Ling it. I will then purchase the game's special edition come release day.

      I do not see what you, as a developer, lose from me plunking down 50 bucks for your game on a pre-order with EBgames.com, then deciding to play it a little earlier if that opportunity becomes avalible to me. This was the exactly the case with Doom 3, and I ended up with TWO legit copies when everything was said and done. Did ID lose money because I did this? Or was it more of an "emotional rape" kind of thing where they felt their collective penis shrink 2 inches because they didn't control the day and the date of my install?

      I can understand if I seed or distribute once my download is done, you might have a case, because not everyone uses my honor system. But if you get paid, and I get the game, what does it matter to you if I play it a few days... or even a month... early?

      If I download a game and buy it after giving it a trial run, how is that any different from renting, aside from cutting Blockbuster's 6 dollar late fees out of the picture?

      Again, I realize most game pirates do it because they can. But I'll be honest with you - if I pirate a game, and I like it, I tend to buy the game retail. Especially when it has multiplayer. I may never actually USE the multiplayer, but knowing that I'm without it makes me feel like I'm missing half the game.

      On the other hand, if I make a copy of a game, and it doesn't really draw me in, then it doesn't get any more play, and it just stays buried in a pile of garbage. These, I call coasters. Because that's all crappy games are good for.

      So I don't mean to sound smug, I really don't. I'm trying to understand what you lose from folks like me doing what we do. If I did, perhaps I wouldn't do it.

      I agree with you on the movie analogy - 50 dollars for a game like Halo 2 or GTA is a much better value than 2 hours for 25 bucks (with concessions factored in.) That's why I'm more likely to pirate a movie than a game - because the game industry hasn't gouged the consumer on a regular basis, just because they can... yet.

      Finally, it needs to be said, and again, I'm not trying to be "omg well I deserve it for free" here - asking eager gamers with the means and the hardware to get Halo 2 early is like asking someone who finds a million bucks on the street to not spend it out of respect for the US Mint.

      It's sweet, it's a cute lesson that ought to be in a citizenship/ethics textbook, but in real world terms, it just doesn't happen.

      I must ask - why is it so frustrating and disappointing to see your game pirated? Did you expect anything else? You had to know this before going into production. The more popular a title is, the more widely avalible it is on p2p networks. If I were you, I'd be more worried if the pirates IGNORED your work.

      I wish more companies would use p2p networks to build a new content distrubution platform. I'm not talking about things like iTunes, where an old business model is dragged kicking and screaming into cyberspace.

      I'm talking about a model that takes advantage of the benefits of the medium, and passes those costs along to the consumer. Of course, that's a dirty no-no: even if there is no packaging cost, we must still charge the consumer for it... because we can.

      I wonder if it has ever occured to anyone that the media could by all rights be free. Imagine the ad revenue from putting a Mountain Dew ad in the loading screen of Halo 2, and being able to get the game for 5 bucks or less. Imagine being able to walk into a theater for free if you get there in time to watch ads. This is where the future is heading, I think.

    24. Re:This is Sad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I feel the same way WRT going back in time. I spent $60 on socom, which included the headset and i saw it used for $6.99 yesterday @ babagges. The worst game i spent money on for my ps2 would be robotech: battlecry.
      e

    25. Re:This is Sad by Tim+C · · Score: 1

      And while you're experiencing that warm glow inside, how are you paying for life's little essentials like food and housing if you're not making any money because no-one's paying you/your employer?

      Sure, I'd be flattered if I was in that position, but I'd also be worried about my mortgage payments, etc.

    26. Re:This is Sad by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      How the hell is this flamebait? You moderators are really abusing the system. A viewpoint is not necessarily a flame just because you don't agree with it. No one has ever proved that "piracy" of any kind of media decreases sales. Even if it does there are two reasons to write games. One is for money, and the other is because it is a compulsion, just as writing is a compulsion for great authors. They can't be happy if they aren't doing it. If you are in the second group then you will be happy to see the game copies, though you might be more happy to see it wildly purchased.

      Note that I am not making a judgement call about which approach to game development is superior in the above statement. I save that for this paragraph: People who are motivated to make games because they have to are less likely to push some trite tripe out the door simply because it will sell.

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    27. Re:This is Sad by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Would it be worthwhile to actually prove that piracy leads to a decrease in sales? If I copy a game, and I like it, I go buy it so I can get my hands on the manual, quick reference cards, get tech support such as it is (this is no longer motivation for purchasing anything from EA), et cetera. I suspect I'm not the only one. Incidentally I have a hacked Xbox and I have never once played a pirated Xbox game on it.

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      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    28. Re:This is Sad by crimson30 · · Score: 1

      Whether you like Microsoft or not, this is bad. Many people have poured their hearts and souls into making that game not just because they like making cool stuff, but because they like to bring happyness to people.

      Don't worry. I'm sure the folks playing it right now are very happy.

    29. Re:This is Sad by shplorb · · Score: 1

      Thanks for your reply, it's truly nice to have the opportunity to try and explain my opinions to you and the others who have replied.

      I do not see what you, as a developer, lose from me plunking down 50 bucks for your game on a pre-order with EBgames.com, then deciding to play it a little earlier if that opportunity becomes avalible to me.

      I agree that we wouldn't lose anything. It's just more of a respect thing. You've waited so long for it, so what's an extra week or two? I'd say it's like opening christmas presents the night before christmas - yeah you still get the present, but would it hurt you to wait the extra few hours to open it when the person who gave it to you is there?

      If I download a game and buy it after giving it a trial run, how is that any different from renting, aside from cutting Blockbuster's 6 dollar late fees out of the picture?

      When you rent it, you are renting a copy that the rental shop paid the developer for. (The late fees shouldn't come into it if you return it on time. =] ) The other option is to buy a magazine with a demo disc - no late fees to worry about, you get to try the game and the developer doesn't earn anything from demo's.

      It's sweet, it's a cute lesson that ought to be in a citizenship/ethics textbook, but in real world terms, it just doesn't happen.

      Part of civilisation is showing respect for others, and like I said above, I feel it's more of a respect thing than anything.

      I must ask - why is it so frustrating and disappointing to see your game pirated? Did you expect anything else? You had to know this before going into production.

      It's frustrating and disappointing because people are using the product of our labour without compensating us for it, especially since it's a budget title. I'd also like to think that people have respect for the work of others. Unless it happens to you it's probably hard to understand it. But yes, unfortunately I did expect it would happen.

      And yes, I used to copy games as well and buy them if I liked them so I am hypocritical... call me on that if you want. But my original argument wasn't against that... it was against people downloading a leaked copy and playing it before the game is publicly released.

      I wish more companies would use p2p networks to build a new content distrubution platform. I'm not talking about things like iTunes, where an old business model is dragged kicking and screaming into cyberspace.

      I'm talking about a model that takes advantage of the benefits of the medium, and passes those costs along to the consumer. Of course, that's a dirty no-no: even if there is no packaging cost, we must still charge the consumer for it... because we can.


      Packaging and distribution don't count for much of the cost of a game. The cost is all in the labour of the many people who worked for months or years to make it. It's good to see Valve is trying that approach and having success with Steam. Unfortunately, current consoles don't allow for that sort of distribution. Perhaps the next-gen consoles will. But then, games will be 10GB or so in size so we'll then be held back by bandwidth. Hopefully though, if next-gen consoles do allow for downloading games, you'll be able to do that in the background while playing because I don't think many people will want to have their console tied up for a couple of days downloading a new game.

      Once again, thanks for your reply and I hope that you can understand my view better.

    30. Re:This is Sad by shawnce · · Score: 1

      Well said in this and your other response posts...

      Folks worked hard on making this product, folks with talent and likely the desire/love of making the product and this is a direct slap in the face to those folks.

      Please don't freeload. Respect the work of others. This is all stuff you should have learned in kindergarden...

    31. Re:This is Sad by Lazyhound · · Score: 1

      I don't find it sad, but then again, I hate companies that use viral marketing...

    32. Re:This is Sad by shplorb · · Score: 1

      Would it be worthwhile to actually prove that piracy leads to a decrease in sales?

      Would it be worthwhile for the copiers to show some respect for the creators?

    33. Re:This is Sad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      This is in response to the post before this one, to the words in italics.
      Yes he got a check ( I think) but its the concept. It's someone saying to the developer "I don't see your work as valuable enough to pay for"
      I have always been against the whole IP war thing (I hate IP laws) but as an author and a programmer I absolutely cannot stand people telling a creator that they should "stop whining".
      You sir, have obviously never worked on something until hours in the morning god doesn't know about, made yourself physically ill working on it, and then had that glimmer of happiness when you realize that it's done. Please take your trolling elsewhere.

    34. Re:This is Sad by cheekyboy · · Score: 1

      So MS pays you 60k salary, then pockets 100million in profits, so whos giving who the ass there?

      Btw, so much for the old excuse, "oh if everyone paid for games, then prices would fall bolony too"

      Personally when our small time software appeared on crack networks I was happy, "whoohooo finally in the big league I thought", at least its FREE ADVERTISING :) No Z's here btw.

      BTW
      EXPLAIN to me why a $29.95 game in USA costs $98 in AU, when the currency is only a .73 difference. I know how much it takes to master dvds with covers etc.... even on 2000 runs its cheap, 50000 has got to be 1/4th that price at HPC.

      If people only have $50 left for the next 14 days, they say "hmmm food and gas or xbox game...." Not everyone is earning 80k USD with free laptops and internet.

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    35. Re:This is Sad by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I can think of no better way to pay respect than to play, enjoy, and evangelize. Spending money on the game comes somewhere after those. If they don't love creating games, why are they doing it? I do realize those people need to make money too - but if I don't like a game enough to buy it after playing it, then it wasn't worth paying for in the first place, right? Hence, the creators of those games don't deserve my respect (beyond that which I would show any person) because they made what I consider to be a crap game.

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    36. Re:This is Sad by Diabolus777 · · Score: 1

      We don't get royalties.
      We get to deal a small % when and if we make a best-seller that places us in a garanteed triple-A next title, and that doesn't happen often. We take baby steps in order to stay afloat, exactly because publishers can shitcan whenever they want.

      You're right on with the dream to be independant, but that's a long shot and takes years. The publisher has the control, money and they want to keep it.

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      So much more by now
      Too dead inside
      To even know the guilt
    37. Re:This is Sad by Diabolus777 · · Score: 1

      "but that doesn't excuse whoever actually leaked it, imho."

      My take is that the leak comes from the publisher. They give it to someone before everyone else has the chance to get it. If promo copies were stopped, the 0-day scene would crumble for games, movies and music alike.

      I don't assume nothing, btw, it's a known fact. Promo copies get leaked. Publishers choose to go on with them because they benefits of free publicity outweigh the drawback of leakage.

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      So much more by now
      Too dead inside
      To even know the guilt
    38. Re:This is Sad by Spankophile · · Score: 1

      Why don't people feel the same way about Movies or Music?

      All of a sudden it's a game, and you feel sorry for someone?

      Why is that?

    39. Re:This is Sad by shplorb · · Score: 1

      So MS pays you 60k salary, then pockets 100million in profits, so whos giving who the ass there?

      I wish I made that! But lets do a rough calculation: Assume a copy sells for $100. $60K * 50 people * 3 years is $9M in wages. Add on the cost of office space, equipment and utilities... say another $500K - $1M per year plus don't forget 9% superannuation and WorkCover (at least in Oz) add in overtime for casuals like testers who go all night on weekends plus meals for employees working late... probably another $500K - $1M there as well. With other expenses such as paying for the use of middleware, development tools and contractors you're probably looking at about $15M -$20M to make the game. Now for a game as big as Halo 2 figure that again or double for marketing, plus add on the cost of manufacturing and distribution - say $5-$10 per copy and say they sell a million. Now we're looking at about $35 - $60 million in costs. Now from that sales revenue take out the retailers cut, which is probably $10 - $15 and you're left with about $30 - $40M Granted that's a lot of money, but developers are in the business of making money so they can continue to make more games, which are becoming more and more expensive to make every year and in a couple of years that will probably cover just the cost of development - not marketing and distribution.

      EXPLAIN to me why a $29.95 game in USA costs $98 in AU, when the currency is only a .73 difference.

      Being just a programmer I can't explain that to you, but I can give you some possible reasons: aussie distributor's markup, exchange rate hedging, transportation costs (they might ship in units from overseas rather than manufacture them here is Oz) and tax.

      If people only have $50 left for the next 14 days, they say "hmmm food and gas or xbox game...."

      I would suggest that they need to get their priorities in order. If they choose to buy the game rather than the food and petrol, is it okay for them to steal the food and petrol because they then can't afford it?

      Not everyone is earning 80k USD with free laptops and internet.

      True, and that's why you don't live beyond your means lest you want to wind up broke.

    40. Re:This is Sad by BubbaJonBoy · · Score: 1

      Naw - sorry - you got it wrong. Our school system is not the place to learn morality.
      That would be their parents job.

    41. Re:This is Sad by BubbaJonBoy · · Score: 1

      "I must ask - why is it so frustrating and disappointing to see your game pirated? Did you expect anything else? ... If I were you, I'd be more worried if the pirates IGNORED your work."

      You gotta love those critical thinking classes. Using a modified version of reducto ad absurdum - if you are robbed while at work you should be happy because you make enough money and have enough possessions to have made it worth their while...
      with low regards,
      BubbaJon

    42. Re:This is Sad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree with you, but...

      Fighting with these trolls over the semantics of "stealing" vs. "copying" vs. "copyright infrigements" is a losing proposition. Some people just can't (or won't) make the connection. You can be more productive by just leaving the trolls alone.

    43. Re:This is Sad by badmammajamma · · Score: 1

      Trying to get people to stop pirating based on the goodness of their hearts ain't gonna work. Instead, let them know how it impacts them in the future. For example, if a game is heavily pirated then the developer of said game won't make enough money to fund their next game. The end result is fewer games for the consumer. It also means that publishers will only fund games that they believe will generate very high sales because they have to account for the pirating factor. This leads to less creativity in the game industry because the developers will have to take the safe option. Of course, that's already happened.

      Also, to the folks that complain about buying $50 xbox or ps2 games that suck...here's a suggestion: rent it first and if it's good, buy it. The fact that more often than not the games suck isn't really a valid excuse. With the exception of Halo 2, I won't buy ANY xbox game that I haven't tried first.

      Finally, any jerkoff who would play this French version of Halo 2 is really denying them the full experience of the game (unless you are fluent in french). If someone handed me a French Halo 2 disk tomorrow (with UK subtitles) I would chuck it in the trash. Half the fun of halo was the dialogue and the funny shit the grunts would say. If I couldn't understand what they were saying, it would lose A LOT of its appeal. I have no intention of ruining my Halo 2 experience. I want to experience Halo 2 in all its glory. You should too.

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    44. Re:This is Sad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree with you, but unfortunately your pleas fall on deaf ear here. You see, most of the people here who condone downloading stuff like this feel that people shouldn't work for money, they should only work because they like doing what they do. Furthermore, these advocates of piracy feel that if the game sucks, even after they've sunk a few days playing the pirated copy, they don't have to pay.

      I was wondering, for those who condone software piracy, what sort of economic model should the game companies adopt so that they can make money and make games that you will actually pay for? I can only see one such model -- where you commission a developer or a group of developers to make the game that you like. But "No," you cry! "I can't afford to hire a group of developers to make games that I would actually like and would actually pay for! No, I will just download these crappy games off the net, and play them for a while, and then deride them as being unworthy of my (or my parents') hard-earned money!"

      Props to those who support developers by paying for the software that they use.

    45. Re:This is Sad by jafac · · Score: 2, Funny

      How would you like to see something you've worked on for 50+ hours a week for months on end being freely copied around?

      I suppose seeing it available and copied around would make me feel a lot better than seeing it available and NOT copied around. If people wouldn't even download a copy for free, I'd be really worried. . .

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      These are my friends, See how they glisten. See this one shine, how he smiles in the light.
    46. Re:This is Sad by Pendersempai · · Score: 1
      How would you like to see something you've worked on for 50+ hours a week for months on end being freely copied around?

      I'd love it. It wouldn't affect the pay I received (which was salaried or by the hour -- never commissioned) and it would show me that a lot of people like my game. In fact, the only people who should be upset are your corporate overlords -- in this case, Microsoft. Let us all cry for poor Microsoft.

    47. Re:This is Sad by __aailob1448 · · Score: 1
      Spill the beans already, what game did you work on?

    48. Re:This is Sad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what game company do you work for? remind me to pirate *your* games next time. cuz, you said it was ok =)

    49. Re:This is Sad by syberanarchy · · Score: 1

      Once again, thanks for your reply and I hope that you can understand my view better.

      No, thank YOU for not being the typical /. IP apologetic. It's nice to have the explanation go beyond "it's illegal, so therefore, it's immoral."

      And yes, I used to copy games as well and buy them if I liked them so I am hypocritical... call me on that if you want. But my original argument wasn't against that... it was against people downloading a leaked copy and playing it before the game is publicly released.

      No, I don't think it makes you hypocritical. I think it makes you intellectually honest. Even most of the people making excuses for draconian IP statutes have downloaded at least one mp3 or movie, just because it was so "shiny and new."

      While I don't see myself giving any cash to BB anytime soon, I do have a Gamefly subscription, and I will say that it makes pirating every crap game I have any remote interest in quite counter productive. I'd rather fill my queue and save the bandwidth. I'm "into" games enough to the point where 21 bucks a month ends up being more than worth it.

      Isn't this a wonderful example GF has set? Making it so convienient and/or inexpensive to buy the product, that "stealing" it is a waste of time.

      I like the Valve/Steam concept, but as is to be expected, Vivendi is being dragged, kicking and screaming into the new business model. Because of legal nasties, Valve is going to release HL2 for the same price on Steam as it costs retail... thereby defeating the purpose.

      I understand about consoles - is it really 10 gigs at this point?! I've seen my HDD loader go as high as 6, but that was pretty high end. I thought much of the DVD format was unused or filled with dummy data.

      I was thinking more of IP as a whole in terms of the p2p systems - would it be so hard for the RIAA companies to pool their resources to offer every song, ever, in their vaults for 20-25 cents a piece, with 4.99 albums? Would it be so hard to offer in-theater films for 2-3 dollars? I'd imagine that would be quite profitible, since there's very little overhead (server farms would be about it) and the consumer is actually subsidising the bandwidth.

    50. Re:This is Sad by Torne · · Score: 1

      How many game companies have gone out of business or had to downsize significantly for reasons directly traceable to copyright violation? I can't find an example; your statement's premise seems unlikely.

      I've bought most of the games I play, even the ones I had downloaded months earlier, but the large majority of people who download games would not have bought it in the first place. Let's be generous and say that a flawless, unbeatable copy protection system would increase your sales by 50% (i.e. those relatively rare people who would get it for free if they could, but are willing to buy it if they can't copy it). Now, I don't know about you, but I'd rather skip the payrise and have ten times as many people playing my game by copying it.

      If you can't make enough money because of piracy, then something has gone badly wrong with your business; you are not offering enough value in purchasing the game (give them more cool stuff; concept art prints are always good), or your publisher has set the price much too high (consider self-publishing, and let people copying your game *be* the marketing department), or your game just isn't worth buying in the first place (haha, you suck). None of these are the fault of the customers or the copyright violators.

      It's yet another 'success' of the moderation system that my previous comment got modded flamebait. Oh well.

    51. Re:This is Sad by YE · · Score: 1

      ...Maybe your next game will be paid for by a cereal company to give away in their re-launched breakfast products? ...
      rather than catering to the common denominator commercial QA guys are simulating.


      Oh, I'm SOOO sure breakfast products company will cater to your artistic values.

      There has been zero indication so far that a small team of volunteers can create your beloved GTA3.

    52. Re:This is Sad by shplorb · · Score: 1

      How many game companies have gone out of business or had to downsize significantly for reasons directly traceable to copyright violation? I can't find an example; your statement's premise seems unlikely.

      I don't know and it is probably impossible to know because you can't count the number of illegal copies out there. But what I can say though is that fewer and fewer studios make PC games not because of the nightmare of support for thousands of combinations of drivers and hardware, but because piracy is so fucking rampant on the platform that it's not funny. Contrast that with the PS2 - over 70 million sold, and only a minority of people mod them.

      If you can't make enough money because of piracy, then something has gone badly wrong with your business; you are not offering enough value in purchasing the game (give them more cool stuff; concept art prints are always good), or your publisher has set the price much too high (consider self-publishing, and let people copying your game *be* the marketing department), or your game just isn't worth buying in the first place (haha, you suck). None of these are the fault of the customers or the copyright violators.

      Yeah, it's not the fault of the copiers that they don't have any respect for the people that slaved their guts out for a couple of years to bring you the game. But what about the professional counterfeiters and scum that flog it off at flea markets and such? People buy those copies, often knowing that they're counterfeit and the developer gets nothing.

      So before you continue to try to justify copying games: pull the other one, it plays jingle bells.

    53. Re:This is Sad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My first game came out a couple of weeks ago on PS2 and XBox and it's both frustrating and disappointing to see it readily available on P2P networks."

      Why don't you join the torrents and gather all of the IP addresses. Then sue the "John Does" which will give you the right under the DMCA to get the users info from their ISP? Don't you have lawyers?

    54. Re:This is Sad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Why don't people feel the same way about Movies or Music? All of a sudden it's a game, and you feel sorry for someone?

      Because that's the RIAA and the MPAA. This is only Microsoft.

    55. Re:This is Sad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Some people just can't (or won't) make the connection.

      It you who doesn't understand. The meaning of words is important. When I object to the use of the word theft, it's not to justify illegal copying. It is to fight against the misuse of language to suit one's purposes, and to sway opinion by borrowed connotation, rather than by logic.

    56. Re:This is Sad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I call BS on this. Show me one article or one press release of a developement studio stating that they are pulling out of the business because of piracy. The reason PC game developers are becoming more rare is blatantly obvious. You can make more $$$ on consoles. Period. Consoles have become mainstream and everyone knows that.

    57. Re:This is Sad by Torne · · Score: 1

      The AC is right; fewer studios make PC games because there is less money to be made. The number of illegal copies has *nothing to do* with lost profits - the vast majority of those copies are not lost sales as the copiers would not have bought the game.

      I'm not justifying copying games and never was; I started the threat by stating that *I*, that is, me personally, would be flattered if something I had written was widely distributed, whether they were paying for it or not. I don't think it shows a lack of respect at all; people *playing* the game is the respect that I would desire. People buying it is simply lining some publisher's wallet even more.

      Professional copiers and counterfeiters are making a profit from work they do not own. However, in Western countries, professional copiers and counterfeiters are for this very reason actively persecuted by law enforcement. Convince copyright protection organisations to crack down on for-profit distribution, rather than passing-copies-to-friends or downloading-something-random-online, and the developer's bottom lines will see much more benefit; the profit lost to bootleg sales is far, far more than the profit lost to casual piracy because the people who buy them, contrary to your assertion, typically *don't* realise they are counterfeit and believe they are supporting the developer. If the counterfeit copies were not available, many of them would be content to pay the retail price (or to wait for the second release and pay a reduced price, at least) for a legitimate copy. People who can recognise professionally counterfeited copies usually know where to download the same things for free (I mean, it's not hard), so why would they pay for a copy that's no more legit?

      If you still think I'm trying to justify copying games, then I don't have anything more to say to you as you're clearly not listening.

  39. Hmmm. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No. It's too hyped up.

  40. I'm a bit confused by insomnyuk · · Score: 5, Funny

    No one has answered:

    1) Why the hell would this force Bungie to push forward the release date? I'm sorry, but I didn't spend the time or money to mod my x-box, and I don't want to play the goddamn game in French, since I don't speak French and I'd kind of like to know what the hell is going on when I play the game.

    2) Does this mean pre-orders in France are going to be canceled all of the sudden? I doubt it. Even with filesharing, artists can still sell millions of albums.

    3) Who is responsible for this, exactly? Pirates? Like the ones from Penzance, or the less musical Barbary Pirates? Someone said French journalists. Uh, RTFM. There's a big difference between "news groups" and journalists.

    1. Re:I'm a bit confused by Morgahastu · · Score: 1

      I think the story submitter meant that the release date would be made earlier to avoid losing sales to pirating.

    2. Re:I'm a bit confused by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      The NFO (linked to this story somewhere) indicates that it's a multilanguage game... fre ger ita spa eng, aka Pal-Multi.

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    3. Re:I'm a bit confused by beer_maker · · Score: 1
      Who is responsible for this, exactly? Pirates? Like the ones from Penzance, or the less musical Barbary Pirates?
      You know, I wasn't planning on washing out my keyboard today, but then I wasn't really planning to spit my afternoon coffee all over my desk either ... thank you so much.

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  41. Choices, choices... by toriver · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hm... risk a $100,000 fine for illegally downloading it, or risk a $1,000 fine for stealing a physical copy when it's released...

    1. Re:Choices, choices... by Tim+C · · Score: 1

      Or $50 or so to buy it...

  42. No by cassidyc · · Score: 5, Funny

    it wont affect Bungies release date, but it will be a good excuse to delay HL2 some more

  43. I take it by pommiekiwifruit · · Score: 1

    It will all be very tasteful double-page adverts saying "9/11" in big numerals, like Microsoft did when they released a new version of flight simulator on 9/11/2001.

  44. But what will the cost be, in Freedoms? by Alzheimers · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As sad as it is, is anyone suprised that it happened? I mean, it's only the most anticipated game of the year (HL2 was the most anticipated game of last year, it's just coming out this year). I've got my preorder in, and I know a lot of other people who won't bother with it either. However, there are people who will always look to cheat the system, and as much as we hate it there's no use crying or screaming or starting flamewars that this will hurt 'the programmers'. But that's not the worst of it.

    My main concern is the response and backlash from the Corps. It's not that I condone the behavior of these thieves, but I'm desperately afraid of the cure will be worse than the disease. Already we have games that can't work in everyone's PC, or disable programs you legitemately install. We have operating systems that require you to phone home every time you change your hardware, just so that the company can make sure you're not stealing .00001% of their yearly profits. What's next, that each copy will be biometrically tied to us, so we need to activate out consoles with a thumbprint identification before we can turn it on?

    And what's going to be the target of the corporation's wrath, you ask? In this case, it's going to be USENET, BITTORRENT, and IRC. Three out-of-the-mainstream networks that corporations will try to convince law makers are nothing but havens for pirates and thieves. You'll hear the words "Terrorists" and "Child Pr0n" before this is over, too.

    It's a tough world we live in. No matter which side you stand for, this much is certain: you're going to get screwed.

    1. Re:But what will the cost be, in Freedoms? by SansTinfoilHat · · Score: 1

      You'll hear the words "Terrorists" and "Child Pr0n" before this is over, too.

      I'd like to hear politics talk about this:
      "We have to stop this Child... uh... um... Przeron! Prizeroanon! Pee Arr Zero En..."

    2. Re:But what will the cost be, in Freedoms? by Vitriol+Angst · · Score: 1

      Agreed. The federal government shouldn't be in the business of protecting company profits... that would be Facism. Oh, I forgot, must have slept too long during the 80's. We are a country run by business.

      Really, this is Bungies fault. They developed on a Microsoft system so inevitably someone hacked in and stole the code. If the responsibility for protecting secrets and securing networks were on the corporations then we wouldn't have to worry about our civil rights. Heck, even the fashion industry protects their designs.

      The Government seems to just need a pretext to chip away at privacy and the constitution.

      At 3 gigs, though, I think pre-ordering will get it to your house faster than downloading that big a file from the P2P nets. There is more worry about pirates making copies of the real disks then of kids who don't buy anything anyway, piecing together a French version over the course of a month. This will effect $0 in sales.

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  45. I saw this coming by Minwee · · Score: 4, Funny
    If you combine this story with the one just before it, the connection is obvious.

    This "leak" is just a pretext for the USA to declare war on France.

    We've all been waiting for an October Surprise, and it looks like this is going to be it. You heard it here first.

    Now if you'll excuse me, there are some men wearing sunglasses who would like to have a word with --

    1. Re:I saw this coming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm afraid the US won't be declaring war on anybody for a while; you see, the manufacture of any type of firearm or rocket is in violation of the Chinese patent no. 000000002, relating to the invention of gunpowder and fireworks.

    2. Re:I saw this coming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      October Surprise

      that shouden't be Oktoberfest?

      i've tink it's pretext for the USA to declare war on Germany.

      ze germans!

  46. Nooo!! by Rudy+Rodarte · · Score: 1

    Any chance this bombshell move could force MS/Bungie to push up the release date?

    Man, I hope not. I've already put in for vacation the week of November 8th through the 12th for an all week frag fest. I guess it can still happen, I'll just have to miss those midnight release parties if the release date is pushed up. Alas

  47. If anything by antivoid · · Score: 2, Insightful

    On the contrary, I believe this occurence should force the release date forward - i.e. get it legally earlier; this would lighten the blow of piracy by making legal release concurrent to the leaked one, causing less copies to be stolen (people have a greater chance of buying games as opposed to copying when the game is actually available in the stores.)
    Anyone disagree?

    1. Re:If anything by KirkH · · Score: 1

      Err...yeah. That's what "push up" means -- release sooner. If they were going to delay it, that would be called "push back".

    2. Re:If anything by Keeper · · Score: 1

      Pushing up the release isn't possible. It just went gold last week. They're stamping out copies of the game as fast as they can to make the Nov 9th release date, and I'm pretty sure they're paying extra to make sure it happens given how close to the release date they went gold...

  48. Not just High Profile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've got news for you, it doesn't just happen with all high profile games. It happens with ALL of them. Even in the era of cartridge based games (NES, SNES, GENESIS...) the ROM data would end up on pirate BBSs and also in the form of counterfeit cartridges in Taiwan, South America, etc... That's just what happens.

    For PC games, same thing. Game goes "gold", and it would appear on Warez sites before the first boxed copy ever hit store shelves. The reason this happens is there is ALWAYS going to be some low-paid shmuck working at the duplication factory who thinks it's cool to release the "zero day" warez to pirates, and/or selling it to the pirate groups.

  49. This happens all the time - with ALL games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I've got news for you, it doesn't just happen with all high profile games. It happens with ALL of them. Even in the era of cartridge based games (NES, SNES, GENESIS...) the ROM data would end up on pirate BBSs and also in the form of counterfeit cartridges in Taiwan, South America, etc... That's just what happens.

    For PC games, same thing. Game goes "gold", and it would appear on Warez sites before the first boxed copy ever hit store shelves. The reason this happens is there is ALWAYS going to be some low-paid shmuck working at the duplication factory who thinks it's cool to release the "zero day" warez to pirates, and/or selling it to the pirate groups.

  50. Are you stupid? Or never actually bought a game? by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 4, Informative
    The game has gone gold. What this means that the game as it will be sold in the box in the shop is ready for publication.

    This doesn't mean the game is completly finished. For instance localization, translating to different languages. Age verification. Box cover printed. Manual translated and printed. And of course the game image created and cd's pressed.

    Then all the parts got to come together and be shipped all over the place.

    This all takes time and the real potential of delay. Say you discover that the final image your ready to press has a flaw. Have to do it all over again. Then telling the audience that, sorry it gonna be delayed 2 days is impossible. All those ads "on sale on XXXX-XX-XX" will be wrong.

    Just because a game is ready for sale does not mean it is immidiatly in a shop.

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  51. Not a big deal.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is probably not a huge issue as it seems. The thing is the leak is only for the Xbox version and not the PC version. To effectively make use of this you need 1-A PC to download it, 2-A DVD writer to burn it, and 3-A modded Xbox to play it. The torrent has already been up for 12 hours at the time of writing this, but there are only 100 peers right now. Compare this to a purely PC game where you can install from the downloaded file straight away, the Sims 2 had 1000 peers before the end of the first day of release. But then again one month IS a very long time so you never know what's going to happen..

    1. Re:Not a big deal.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With a modded xbox you can download torrents, unrar files, and play the games off the hard drive.

    2. Re:Not a big deal.. by fishbowl · · Score: 1

      > 1-A PC to download it

      Extremely common

      > 2-A DVD writer to burn it

      Not quite as common, but not unusual

      > and 3-A modded Xbox to play it.

      Played with one last night at a friend's house. 58 solder points. New ones just get a chip socket.

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    3. Re:Not a big deal.. by joper90 · · Score: 1

      or 1) a xbox to download it. 2) a HD to store it on. 3) a softmod.. no wires. or 9 pins to solder to a real mod.

    4. Re:Not a big deal.. by ad0gg · · Score: 1

      DVD burners are quite common now, you can easily pick one up for $30(after rebate) or $60(no rebate). They are also becoming standard on prebuilt computers. Now if only dual layer media(currently $8 to $10 a piece) would come down in price, I need way to record HDTV shows since my dvr only store like 15 hours of hdtv and the harddrive is always full.

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  52. Re:Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. Typical idiot l33t-kiddy response. Console fpses are not PC fpses. They are not designed to be played with keyboard and mouse. Live with it.

    2. Possibly. Or it could be somebody in one of what are countless distribution plants. I hope they get caught, but chances are they won't.

    3. Wrong. This is played through X-Box Live. Games played over Live do not need CD-keys. If you have a paid-up Live account, you can put any Live-enabled game in your system and just play it. This is how you can have a second hand market for Live games.

    4. Just plain stupid. A lot of developers have put their heart and soul into this game. Nobody deserves this (if, in fact, the effect is all that big - remember, you still have to mod your X-Box to play it).

  53. Shocking "news" by anti-pop-frustration · · Score: 1

    Games are available on the internet before the official release date ?

    That's appalling !

  54. In other news ... by Samael_666 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Pope is catholic ...

    Come on, is this news ???

    1. Re:In other news ... by cerebralsugar · · Score: 2, Funny


      Pope is catholic ...

      Come on, is this news ???


      It will be if somebody would post a .torent link!

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  55. Hype by T-Kir · · Score: 1

    Well, they've a few weeks in which they could run a new 'homely feel' site about plumbing:

    www.iloveleaks.com

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  56. Re:Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Wrong. This is played through X-Box Live. Games played over Live do not need CD-keys. If you have a paid-up Live account, you can put any Live-enabled game in your system and just play it. This is how you can have a second hand market for Live games."

    You CANNOT play any Xbox games on live unless you are playing off a legal retail game disc. There is no way around it.

  57. Kinda Ironic by TheScorpion420 · · Score: 0

    Does anyone else find it ironic and kinda funny that on the main page this story comes right after a story about the US cracking down on IP infringement. Just my 2 cents

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  58. Why delay? by famebait · · Score: 1

    It always amazes me that so many people take the "soure stolen, we have to delay"-thing at face value. What exactly was the link between those two things supposed to be? Sure, ahving your game stolen sucks, and a couple of days of collecting evidence might be in order, but rewriting the entire schedule? Come on! They were lagging behind schedule, and a convenient excuse came along. Nothing wrong with taking the time to do it well instead of rushing release, but that bad excuse annoys me.

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  59. Secret is already away.. by Gathers · · Score: 1

    Meh..
    www.piratebay.org:
    Warning: mysql_pconnect(): Host '192.168.0.8' is blocked because of many connection errors. Unblock with 'mysqladmin flush-hosts' in /var/tracker/www/include/secrets.php on line 7
    Couldn't connect to server.


    No wait, its back up again! And the latest news is:
    04.10.14 - 15.00
    Microsoft (in the US) called our ISP and whined about the Halo 2 torrent. Sorry, no recording available. They were kinda pissed off because it's not going to hit the stores for another month...


    Hehe, be sure to read http://static.thepiratebay.org/legal/

  60. No delay. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Move the date "up" means SOONER, "back" means later. This has been addressed in multiple posts in this thread, if anyone bothered to read them. Bungie was not behind schedule, the game was gold and the theft was either from one of the early 'press' releases or by an employee at the pressing plant. People who don't bother getting their facts straight before posting tend to annoy others.

    1. Re:No delay. by famebait · · Score: 1

      I'm afarid I did misunderstand "up", yes. And thus asssumed the post was a reference to Halflife 2. The rest of my comment and the allegation of being behind schedule was referring to HL2, but I can see how that was not celar.

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  61. It's about time... by TippyTwoShoes · · Score: 0

    The French finally DO SOMETHING!

  62. A new Trend? by NetNinja · · Score: 1

    Whats with not releasing the Demo first anymore?

    Doom3 did not release a demo untill after the game was launched.

    I guess they didn't want all the bad mouth publicity they were going to get due to the fact the game was going to require some heavy horsepower to run it.

    1. Re:A new Trend? by silentbobdp · · Score: 1

      making a stand-alone demo takes time away from the making of a game.

      On games like Halo 2 and Half-Life 2 and Doom 3, they've taken long enough to make them, I don't want to wait another month or two for the dev to "rope off" an area of the game for the demo.

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    2. Re:A new Trend? by AvantLegion · · Score: 1
      making a stand-alone demo takes time away from the making of a game.

      On games like Halo 2 and Half-Life 2 and Doom 3, they've taken long enough to make them, I don't want to wait another month or two for the dev to "rope off" an area of the game for the demo.

      Perhaps finding something better to do with your life than waiting endlessly for games, and eating up every little dropping that comes out about them.

      I can honestly say I've completely ignored Halo 2 until right about now, just before release. The end result? You're frazzled over waiting and waiting. I did something better with my time. And yet, we get to play the game at the same time.

  63. Pirates... by Sekoku · · Score: 1

    ...Make the Master Chef cry. =(

    ...Or, at least break out the SMGs to "flip-out-and-kill-people-in-a-hospital-zone-on-fi re-while-Ninja's-chase-him." (Paraphrased, of course.)

  64. This is news? by Atroxodisse · · Score: 0, Troll

    New games are pirated months in advance all the time.

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  65. Frenchie Version by DarkAdonis · · Score: 1

    I hear the version going around has French audio with English subtitles.

    1. Re:Frenchie Version by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Subtitles in Halo?
      Are you going to talk to the gems or likr me; just kill them on sight :)

  66. I don't belive the story by Treeluvinhippy · · Score: 1

    I demand a little more proof. How about a link or a torrent or maybe even access to a ftp server with halo2.

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  67. beh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1) old news
    2) this didnt originate from french newsgroups, it just happens to be a french version of the game
    3) its not even newsworthy in the slightest

  68. Come on, people will buy it anyway by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Insightful

    My guess is that a lot of people downloading it just want a shot to pratice early so they can kick butt online the day of release, or to check it out and see if it's worthwhile to buy at all.

    Programmers should be more concerned with making sure paying customers are happy than worrying over the ogeyman of "lost sales" due to piracy.

    Do you really think Halo sales will suffer as a result of this? My guess is that it will go on to record breaking sales, and this has like a .001% impact on sales in the end.

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  69. Re:Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. who said anything about designed? All I said was that people who play them don't know how to play PC fps games with a mouse and kb.

    3. Umm... the cd-key is embedded on the disc. If you have a x-box modchip you know that you can't play iso'd xbox games on xbox-live.

    4. Heart and Soul doesn't bring home the bacon.

  70. In Other News... by superultra · · Score: 1

    Microsoft announced earlier this morning that the Xbox2 would be cartridge based. "This will allow um, er, better graphics and sound for the Xbox2, yes that's it," Allard was quoted as saying.

    1. Re:In Other News... by Mongo222 · · Score: 1

      That wont help. We've been coping cartrages since the VIC-20 days. (Probably before)

  71. Call Me Paranoid by Greyfox · · Score: 3, Funny

    But if I were an Evil Game Studio and I had a high profile game about to ship, I might consider making a slightly tweaked version of the game available on the net just prior to the release. Said version would work OK for a while, then on the release date or after some number of times being started, it'd cause your console to boot up to a message with an 800 number and a code. For a 1 time fee of $75, you'd be able to unlock your console, at which time the pirated version of the game would delete itself.

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    1. Re:Call Me Paranoid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only way to keep the XBox from booting a game in the drive would be to flash the bios. The XBox's bios cannot be flashed through software. The worst they could hope to do is either move/delete the dashboard (but anyone who can download games can fix this easily) or screw with the save games and saved settings just to piss the pirate off.

  72. Mod...overrated! by Thinkit4 · · Score: 1

    Extreme cynicism is paranoia. Take your medication, ok???

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  73. Re:Are you stupid? Or never actually bought a game by Microlith · · Score: 1

    And, of course, this is all completely valid justification for warezing it.

    </sarcasm>

  74. Hint to Troll-Modders: by koi88 · · Score: 1

    Look up "irony" in your dictionary.

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  75. Re:Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1) I play both. Been playing PC fpses for over 10 years, console fpses for about 3. Can't really say I prefer either.

  76. Excellent post. by Thinkit4 · · Score: 1

    Myself, I used to be extremely anti-IP. It just bugged me that we were mandating artificial scarcity. I still feel that way, but the singularity is so much more important. When we build that cyberthalamus, most issues including this one will just go away.

    When you are hosted on a computer, everything you view can be recorded by you, as your brain is a computer. Once this happens, any form of copy protection is dead. But at the same time our mentality will change so we won't seek copy protection.

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  77. Not original, not interesting by Thinkit4 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    So if Bush's daughter gets murdered, I'm sure you'll assume it's a publicity stunt for sympathy? Cynicism...overrated.

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  78. 5.5 of gamespot by Thinkit4 · · Score: 1

    Hey your game sucks. Nobody will bother pirating a bad, low-profile game. Hell don't even bother with paying for copy protection with crap games!

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    1. Re:5.5 of gamespot by shplorb · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry to hear that you don't like our game. Everyone has different tastes though. I hope that you have at least played the game before saying that it sucks though, rather than reading one review and parroting what the reviewer thought.

      It might be interesting to note that the previous games for that license got crap reviews too (indeed, they are crap in comparison to ours) but they still sold a shitload of them because they appeal to casual gamers, not the hardcore gamers that write reviews.

  79. Halo 2 - PAL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    with a chipped xbox and tunneling software you can play halo 2 single+multiplayer(on private networks).

    several copies are floating around

    - torrent
    - irc
    - usenet

    1. Re:Halo 2 - PAL by Unreal7000 · · Score: 1

      Are you talking about playing on Live with a backed up game? If so then the answer is no, and most likely will always be no.

      Now they did create a BIOS that would stop you from accidently getting on Live, but as of now, tomorrow and probably for years to come there is no way to get on Live with your mod-chip on.

      Wait you can get on Live, you'll just be banned.

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  80. Halo 2 - PAL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    There are many generation 4 mod chips that allow you to play xbox live games with no problems.

    Xenium ICE
    SmartXX
    etc...

  81. IP! by valder · · Score: 1

    And people wonder why the US Government is so worried about Intellectual Property and Copyrights. Why do anything at all if someone is just going to steal it? Of course Bungie/MS will be fine with people nibbling off their plates but most companies, especially small business, cannot afford to allow people to nibble. Yet people nibble whether it's MS/Bungie or Activision. (br> Slashdot must have plastic ceilings because the glass would just be too expensive to replace.

  82. Who'd download it anyway by morgdx · · Score: 3, Funny

    I've played the French version, the Covenent invade earth and as Master Chief you have just 24 hours to surrender.

    I think that if you play it on Elite you also have to try to stop other Master Chiefs from attacking the Covenent to secure lucrative oil export rights.

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  83. Re:Are you stupid? Or never actually bought a game by necro2607 · · Score: 1

    All those ads that say "on sale on XXXX-XX-XX" probably ARE wrong anyways, seeing as they're just made-up dates written by GameSpot, IGN, etc. etc... as in, very very rarely actually stated by the game developers/publishers themselves!

  84. Looking closer to home to stop piracy. by Maul · · Score: 1

    I've said it a while back before, game studios need to look closer to home to figure out why this happens.

    Someone close to these companies are leaking the games. It wouldn't surprise me if it is someone in the QA department or someone who works where the game discs are mass produced and can make one disappear without much notice.

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  85. viva la france by Troll'N · · Score: 3, Funny

    The french version is great!!!!! The only draw back i've seen so far is that you don't have any guns.... just a white flag.

  86. No wait! It's Paid For! by Juggler22 · · Score: 1

    Gee, I remember PAYING for this game over a year ago! So, now I can finally get my backup copy? Gotta like them frogs.

  87. buy them a real copy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if you know anyone that gets the rip, just go buy them a real copy. it does injustice to the game playing it in french language.

  88. Re:Are you stupid? Or never actually bought a game by necro2607 · · Score: 1

    BTW my friend preordered Doom 3 from Amazon.com a year or two ago. The release date they had written on the site was "March [something] 2003"... so yeah...

    Actually it had earlier dates written on the site before that, but of course as time went on and it got closer to the dates Amazon would have to make up a new, more "realistic" date.. which was still like half a year off...

  89. What about... by Scorpion_1169 · · Score: 1

    the people who download it AND buy it?

  90. Is this going to put THAT big of a dent in sales? by hai.uchida · · Score: 1

    It sucks that it's out there, and this doesn't bode well for things to come... But the talk in this thread makes it sound like Bungee is completely screwed. Really, though... How many modified X-Boxes are there out there? A few hundred thousand? A million? Of those, will everyone download the game (which is in French) and know how to install it? And will they all be happy with a hacked game instead of buying the real thing when it comes out?

    Yes this is a problem... But I don't think it will affect sales one bit. In fact I would suspect most who download this will end up buying the real thing... They just want to get a jump on learning to play it first, to get a head start on multiplayer.

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  91. Bnetd? by PetoskeyGuy · · Score: 1

    Now where can I find something like BNetd? Is there an XLived for XBOX?

  92. Xbox ISO... by d3ity · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Hrm, I havent seen the download, but i'm wondering The xbox warez community has been working for a long time on cracking the xbox ISO, so that burned games will work on any xbox. I'm wondering right now if the release of this would in any way aid them. Also note, that I have two copies of halo preordered, so I will be waiting, and I will be found at my local EB at 9 PM EST on november 8th. There has been talk of the ISO crack project for a long time, I'm just sort of worried that if this occours, the release dates of many many future xbox games will be delayed while MS and developers scramble to secure thier hardware/software.

  93. Pusing up the release date? by __int64 · · Score: 1
    "Any chance this bombshell move could force MS/Bungie to push up the release date?"

    Did everybody forget how long it takes to press millions of cds, package them and distribute them worldwide?

  94. Moral Dilemma by SlashdotOgre · · Score: 1

    This brings up an interesting question: Is it morally wrong to download a leaked version of the game if you already have paid for your preorder? I'm not talking putting $5 down, but rather if you paid the whole thing in full, at what point do you own the game? If you already paid for the game, it's hard to feel bad about downloading an early version of it.

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  95. For the first time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    in a long time of lurking Slashdot, I laughed out loud on this one! VERY funny and you deserve a full +5 hilarious!

  96. BLESS YOU!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Somebody got a kleenex for this gentleman?

  97. Terrible news.. by d_jedi · · Score: 1

    Terrible news. Geez.. can't a game make it out nowadays that ISN'T pirated before it's released? The industry is being killed by these greedy bastards who aren't willing to pay the developers for their years of hard work.

    This is disgusting.

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  98. Beat the first 'Alone in the Dark' in French by vhold · · Score: 1

    Back when I was a warez kiddy I played and beat Alone in the Dark 1 entirely in French. I had no idea what the heck was going on other then it was one extremely strange game. It's also kinda hard to beat a puzzle/adventure game when you can't read any of the clues. Later on when I played it again in English I was stunned by just how much of the game I originally missed out on by not being able to read all the creepy occult stuff. .. My opinion on warez? It's something for kids, honestly, if it weren't for being able to warez operating systems and applications I'd really never had the opportunity to learn the skills I use today to be employed. Games were an impetus to all the other useful exposure. The way I buy software using the money I make with those skills now I think I can say with decent confidence has paid off it's theoretical debt to piracy from when I was a kid. Yea, fundamentally it's just not equivocal, therefore my justification is somewhat flawed, but the alternative is basically that I'd never have been able to or be inclined to buy software like I do, so in some twisted way it's paid off to the software industry holistically.

    Basically, it'll never have been fair to the people who made the software I pirated, but the alternative is that today's developers would be out quite a bit of money if my case is even remotely common: warez-kiddy turned computer-professional/gamer.

    Maybe this concept isn't as strong as it was back then, just getting those games to work back then was a major technical hurdle in and of itself half the time. I think today's warez kiddies have a lot less to deal with. Back then I was so into just -computers- as a toy that I actually thought it was fun to play with office applications and see what they were capable of. That kind of experience was just totally invaluable, figuring everything out without a manual or help gave me a sort of sixth sense for finding my way through most systems towards what I'm looking for.

    I think the industry would be shooting itself in the foot in the long run to stomp out all piracy. (hmm maybe it'd be stomping on a rusty nail...)

  99. MS going after downloaders... by Trracer · · Score: 1

    A big Swedish torrent site has been contacted by MS in regards of torrents offering Halo2 and I know of atleast one local broadband user who has been contacted by his ISP in regards of his download of Halo2...
    I guess they are desperate/nervous.

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  100. If Balmer says iPod is used for pirated music by Mordaximus · · Score: 1

    does it then mean that Xbox is used for pirated games?

  101. In Other Other News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Microsoft revealed the Xbox2 today, and it's a rubber ball that you can bounce up against the wall.

  102. How Halo2 french version must look like... by AzraelKans · · Score: 1

    Well you are not missing much, this is how the bootleg french version of Halo 2 looks like:

    (*)Translated from very, very European french dialogue.
    Master Chief: (known in french as Jacques)

    Jacques:(voice off)
    *My fate is to kill those who wish us dead, to take lives, what does life mean after all?

    Jacques takes a shoot at a covenant in super slow motion while sad opera music is playing in the background. the shoot goes through a covenant, after a quick shoot of a lawn elf sitting there for no reason, we see the covenant really slowly dying.

    Covenant:(voice off)
    *Oh Ive been shot! the pain surging through my body is nothing compared to the ellusive questioning of my soul! what does life really mean? (the entire shot is filmed in sepia)

    Another covenant wearing an extremely ridicullous sex addict outfit comes into scene and takes a pot shot, the entire scene is filmed with a fish lense for no immediate reason.

    The shoot lands in the chest of Jacques commander, Jacques rushes to the commander to take his head between his legs and start crying. The entire shoot is filmed at blue sepia for no immediate reason.

    Jacques:
    *!Monsieur commander!You've been shot, you must be wandering what your life meant and suffering! and wondering.. and suffering!

    Commander cousteou:
    *life is suffering Jacques, yes, but beautiful suffering, I still wonder what life means! yet, Im about to depart.

    Jacques:
    *TELL ME ITS NOT SO! TELL ME ITS NOT SO!
    (The opera background music gets even sadder and louder)

    Commander cousteau:
    *Before I depart I must ask: How many people are having an orgasm right now?

    A completely innecesary scene of a lot of french people having sex 1 frame per couple flies by, the entire scene is in black and white and filmed from the botton of a fish tank for no immediate reason.

    Jacques:
    *... 42

    Commander:
    *Good answer... remember... I love you!...
    Arrevouir!

    the commander passes away.. Rain starts to pour. the entire scene is filmed in black and white from a birds eye view.

    Jacques removes his helmet, revealing a Clint Eastwood look a like painted as a sad clown for no immediate reason.

    Jacques:
    *NOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    the sky becomes thunderous as the camera backs away, revealing Jacques alone (for no immediate reason) holding the dead commander on his knees, crying and screaming.

    The screen fades to black

    A text in a over stylized almost unreadable font appears.
    *JACQUES HAS DECIDED TO RETREAT
    TO DISCOVER "WHAT LIFE REALLY MEANS?"
    THE EARTH HAS BEEN TAKEN OVER BY LES COVENANTE'S
    C'EST LA VIE!

    You:
    WTF!!!!!!!

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  103. Re:Are you stupid? Or never actually bought a game by Perky_Goth · · Score: 1

    no, i don't follow the hype machine and i ocasionally browse games at a store, come back home and check gamerankings.
    besides, who has time to follow whether it's pink, gold or silver? who cares? there's a thounsand (mostly) similiar games to any other game made.
    i wait for the horde to waste their money and tell me if it's good. works well, ditto for music, movies, and any other industry known for crap.

  104. bad policy by ratiocinator · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm no expert on things like this, but if i ran this company, my policy would resemble something with alittle more common sense:

    All copies that are distributed prior to the release date would always have a unique identification number imbedded within the image itself. Each id specifically represents the possessor of each unique copy. Furthermore, that fact will be made -very clear- to those who are approved possessors. If your number ends up on the pirated copy, we send goons to your house who will offer you a choice of three items: an eyepatch, a hook, or a pegleg.

    1. Re:bad policy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, if you want to have the goons*cough*fanboys*cough* offer how to off themselves, that's fine w/ me. It's not like any decent person could not know how to remove the mark.

  105. Shameless Advertising... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Halo 2 is Leaked! ... so we advertise this to the world, so everyone knows to go and download their copy?

  106. Bungie's not going to move it up or back... by TalMaximus · · Score: 1

    Why? Simply because they don't have to. I know that four hundred people have already paid for the game at the local EB. They did this despite the constant delayed release dates (granted those were by retailers and not Bungie, but a lot of people don't pay attention to that fact), and they'll do it despite a French pirated version on BitTorrent, which is likely to come with a nice IE plugin worm, or some other nice goodies attached. NO worries folks, I'm confident there won't be a change, and there doesn't need to be. If you want to enjoy Halo 2 in an honest and complete fashion, just buy the game. It'll definitely be worth it.

  107. Thats the fault of the French by poofyhairguy82 · · Score: 1
    The French are the reason English is messed up.

    Here

    For the 300 years following the Norman Conquest in 1066, the Kings of England spoke only French. A large number of French words were assimilated into Old English, which also lost most of its inflections, the result being Middle English.

    If they would have kept their version of bloated Latin to themselves, then me and millions of other English writers would not be shackled to our word processor spell check.

  108. Calling a game a classic before it comes out... by AdamGott · · Score: 1

    Rather, they will buy legit copies of Halo 2, and pay the developers the respect, and money, that they deserve for producing such an awesome game. People who steal from Bungie are not true Halo fans. Hmm... it is usually scary when the pre-release hype for a game is so much that people are calling it a classic before they have even played it. This almost always leads to a disspointing experience (see Daikatana, Duke Nukem Forever, etc. for further reference).

  109. Re:Conspiracy by HitByASquirrel · · Score: 1

    Well I thought it was funny.

    Oh well...