Given current gas prices, it will probably only cost about 5,000 dollars a month to keep it topped off and running. You will look stupid holding a gas nossle up to it though. No way around that.
Sometimes it's hard to remember that John McCain is a Republican, and a damn good one at that.
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Even though the concept of "no guns = no gun-related crimes" is alien to the average Yank, it'll give you a false sense of security in this country with the highest crime rates in the developed world.
It seems the violent crime rates in Britain and Australia went up significantly with stricter gun laws.
Perhaps one would do good to take care of their own back yard before complaining about their neighbor.
2 - Put on at least 25 stone From my experience of actually being an American, there is a wide gulf forming between the ultra-fat and ultra-fit. They both have commercial markets that cater to their needs. Fat people are good for the economy.:)
3 - Learn the lingo
Or alternately, become one of those annoying, self righteous spelling nazi's that NOBODY likes.
5 - Become totally irrational and nonsensical
Or, dwell on the past of your once great empire and invent anything you can to poke fun at the Americans because it helps you overcome the pain of the fact that you got your asses kicked a while back and are now our lapdog.
6 - Sue everyone you ever meet Or, bend over and accept your "station" in life. Become a big pussy that accepts a class structure and never strive to be anything better than what you were "born" to be.
7 - Get a "shrink"
Or, do nothing about your repressed problems and feelings and declare the entire field of psychotherapy voodoo. Become the most annoying race of people on earth with your bottled up psychosis. Take that superiority complex and decide to impose your systems of "checks and balances and order" on the world, only to get your asses beaten the whole way back to your island.
8 - Watch abysmal TV
Or, watch abysmal TV. Your TV isn't much better bub. I've watched it while trying to choak down that crap you people call "food" over there while staying in what you people think a 5 star hotel is.
Everybody needs a phone. Even someone in the "boonies". That means there are a ton of small to mid-sized telecom companys sprinkled throughout the "boonies". Usually this telecom is also the local ISP. That means UNIX. That means project development. Since they own the copper, they almost always make a profit. That means they have money to spend. This is a good thing.
You assume a great deal. Maybe if you typed out the post you thought you read I'd have any idea at all what you are talking about? Gentoo is what I prefer on desktops. Debian is what I prefer on servers. Enterprise Red Hat is what I use when I have too. FreeBSD when it doesn't have to be Linux, etc. I also deployed a lot of Digital UNIX/Tru64 when it was viable. Great stuff, I'm sad to see it go. You read way too much into the post then shot from the hip. Try reading it all over again and imagine a mellow, level-headed voice in your head instead of an insane, screaming zealot.
I'd say you fall into the troll category.:) Tell me how Gentoo "gives you a chance on getting a system destroyed overnight without you being able to interfere in any way". Gentoo doesn't automatically update anything. You have to tell it to update sources. Then you have to tell it to compile and install them. There has never been an ebuild that completely destroyed a Gentoo install. Never. You take the same risks using any Linux. But with Gentoo, you do have the benefit of building all your binaries from source instead of trusting someone else's precompiled binary. And I happen to earn a lot of money using my Gentoo desktops. In fact, I can't think of a better way to do it.:) Perhaps you should spend some time actually knowing what you are talking about instead of spouting off the same tired, recycled, erroneous rhetoric?
I've already found it in my heart to forgive that whore. It was high school! But I'm still annoyed with Gentoo.
HAHAHAHAHAHHAA. You made me cough diet coke all over my keyboard.
How did you get the gentoo-cursors package to install?
No idea.:) I don't use the package. The only spiffy thing I do with my cursors is the drop-shadow you can get with the NVidia driver.
I'd suggest grabbing the Gentoo cursors package from here and doing this:
tar jxvf gentoo-cursors-0.3.tar.bz2
Looking at the ebuild file, you'd then want to do this:
locate your host.def file. On Gentoo it's here:/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/config/host.def
use the "locate" command to find it.
look for the line that probably says:
#define DefaultCursorTheme whiteglass
or something like that.
whatever it says the theme is, search for it. For me, whiteglass turned up here:/usr/share/cursors/xfree/whiteglass
So using that logic, I'd put the gentoo folder that is created when I untar the cursors package in the/usr/share/cursors/xfree directory, then change the:
Gentoo threads get overrun by people talking about how great Debian is. That starts flamewars.
You almost never see a Gentoo user start an anti-debian thread in a Gentoo story. It's always started by some anti-gentoo/pro-debian comment.
Debian threads (like this one) get overrun by people flaming Gentoo for no apparent reason at all. It's always a Debian user that brings Gentoo up like some ex-girlfriend that slept with their friends and dumped them.
Level headed people like myself that use both OS's step in and start shooting down the zealot posts.
Moderators that use Debian mod those posts down no matter how on-topic or sensible they are simply because the post is pro Gentoo, or just honest.
A lot of the slams on Debian are from Debian users with a sense of humor. I've seen a ton of these. In fact, the joking slam in this thread was started by a Debian user if I'm not mistaken. This inevitabley lead to an anti-gentoo post for no apparent reason, like the guy that complains about the ex-girlfriend that slept with his friends then dumped him, and consequently can't find anyone that wants to go drinking with him anymore after work.
Debian is great.
Gentoo is great.
They both have their place. Gentoo isn't your ex-girlfriend that slept with your friends and dumped you simply because it's better at a lot of things.
Debian is great on servers, and that's what it should be used for when your bosses aren't screaming for Red Hat because Oracle likes it, or because Polyserve likes it, or because EMC likes it, etc.
And no, I'm obviously not new here.
A lot of you need to rest your necks. The jokes are funny. I love slamming Debian once in a while if it's a damn funny time to do it. I'll also step right up to the plate and slam Gentoo as well. It's when the zealots start getting all serious about their pet OS and start making ridiculous assersions about another ones that their true colors show. Imagine what someone that has never used either Debian or Gentoo thinks after reading this stuff? They'll walk away thinking that Gentoo is too hard for them (and it isn't. A braindead monkey could follow the install instructions), or they'll think (wow, them Debian users are kinda extreme, foaming at the mouth, radicals). That isn't good for anyone.
Excellent. There isn't much you can't do with one distro or another. Debian is great. RedHat is great. SuSe is great. Gentoo is great. Slackware is great. It's simply a matter of knowing one of them VERY VERY well. I know them all pretty well and I prefer Gentoo on desktops, and FreeBSD on servers. If it has to be Linux on a server, I prefer Debian unless it can't be. Then I use Enterprise Red Hat. Based on my preferences, you would assume that I know FreeBSD and Gentoo the best, and you'd be right. The important thing is that 90 percent of all UNIX and UNIXlike OS's are identical in nature. Learn that 90 percent, then find the one with the 10 percent left that you like the best. Plenty to choose from.
Huh? You can easily get a shell during a Debian install.
And do what with it exactly? With Gentoo, you are using a shell to do the install because that's what you are supposed to do. The instructions for dealing with that shell are here. You follow the instructions, and get exactly what you want. It takes longer, but that's the price you pay for a superior end product. The novice user can, and apparently does follow these excellent instructions with great success. What is the novice going to do with that debian shell if the Debian install goes bad? You basically compared apples and couches.
I'd say Gentoo isn't for you. You'd be better off with something more tuned to your skill level. If reading the instructions here is a problem for you, then you'd be better served with a more hand holding OS like Debian. The only strange hardware problem I had with install "SATA drive" was fixed by following the very simple Knoppix install method outlined on that same page. All the weird compile problems I've had over the last 2 years or so (all 3 of them) were solved in a few minutes by reading stuff here. Reading must not be your thing, or you have strange hardware. I personally couldn't imagine running anything but Gentoo on any desktop I use because of the excellent performance, documentation, security, and ease of upgrading. That and all the bleeding edge stuff in the world is at my fingertips in record time to be compiled however I want, when I want. This is what is important to me though. If I was lazy, I'd probably pay for RedHat 3.0 WS for the strong vendor support and excellent upgrade ease. I'm not lazy though. I don't mind putting in the bit of work up front to be very lazy afterwards and have the fastest Linux distro possible. The performance gains are very real, and very noticable. And you don't have to wait 13 months for XFree 4.3 only to find out that OpenGL is broken. I'd never use Gentoo on a server, but I can't point to a single time where a machine rebooted spontaneously. I did have to recompile mplayer once because it was unstable, but that took all of 3 minutes? Seriously. Most of the people that moan about Gentoo are either:
A) Trolls
B) Debian Trolls
C) Not using the distro they should.
Gentoo isn't afraid of you.
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There is missing information you don't have that would explain it.:) It's really not important though. I know the lyrics well. Seen em live enought times.
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I used to work with a guy that was thrilled he could IRC from his Palm V with a nokia phone and the right cord. All he did (even after getting fired) was chat on IRC. At home. At work. On the bus to work. Even sometimes (I swear to God) while driving. So I don't like the idea of providing the same basic fantasy world IN COLOR to people. Nonstop disconnected reality. The ONLY positive spin I can possibly put on this is:
1) It will weed out the idiots that get addicted to stupid stuff so they will lose their jobs so people that actually WANT to work will have some jobs to fight over.
2) There will probably be a small cottage industry that springs up to deal with this new addiction also creating jobs.
Can you honestly tell me that there are no major security problems with linux???
Major security problems with Linux don't translate into the entire net being thoroughly fucked up for days at a time. People that don't even run microsoft products suffer finantial loss because of their code quality. They have a retarded balance between useability and application level security for "ease of use" reason. This makes it very easy for a trojan to use the system and a million others. This probably has a lot more to do with why windows problems are highly publicized. When Microsoft has a problem, we all pay. And they do next to nothing about it.
*I* don't pay a dime for Linux. You HAVE to pay for Microsoft products. You bet your sweet ass I expect not only better security than Linux, but better code and faster patching for something I'm paying a fortune for. Unfortunately, the exact opposite is true. Microsoft really needs to get their shit together if they are to be taken seriously by the enterprise.
So how I see it, I can spent a fortune for a substandard product with a EULA that doesn't protect me at all and offers NO responsibility from microsoft for actions related to their poor code quality, or I can use something for free with basically the exact same license and a much better security track record.
What responsibility? When was the last time Microsoft kicked corporate america the billions of dollars they lose each year because of viruses and other security problems with Microsoft products? It doesn't look like they really take responsibility for anything. How many outstanding security issues are there right now?
It was simply common sense. We had three independant firms calculate the cost out over the next 5 years. It basically panned out like this:
Microsoft: 15 million Sun: 10 million Redhat ES 3.0 on DL380's: 2 million
We had briefly toyed with the idea (seriously though) of using Debian instead of Red Hat, but some of our proprietary hardware was only supported by Red Hat. I can safely say that the level of technical acumen and common sense here made SCO's hilarious blatherings have exactly zero impact in any of our decision making.
Usually when you meet someone that calls things (even mispelled animals) gay, they have latent homosexual tendacies. I can totally hook you up with my gardener.
Oh oh oh, not to mention that security and bug fixing doesn't make money. Only a constant stream of new features that you have to pay to get makes you money. Why waste valuable money-making feature-adding time on security and bug fixes? You'd have to pay a fortune for the people necessary to debug 1,000,000+ lines of code properly. And if you are going to pay that much money for those people, why not just have them work on new features instead so you can make even MORE money.
5) come up with a formula to figure out if it will be more expensive to ignore a bug or security problem, or address it. apply that formula stringently. profit is everything.
Slashdot Mirror
No other email/NG reader I've ever tries even comes close.
Try "Pan" for news. It only does news, but it looks a lot like evolution. It's pretty badass.
Given current gas prices, it will probably only cost about 5,000 dollars a month to keep it topped off and running. You will look stupid holding a gas nossle up to it though. No way around that.
Sometimes it's hard to remember that John McCain is a Republican, and a damn good one at that.
Even though the concept of "no guns = no gun-related crimes" is alien to the average Yank, it'll give you a false sense of security in this country with the highest crime rates in the developed world.
:)
It seems the violent crime rates in Britain and Australia went up significantly with stricter gun laws.
Perhaps one would do good to take care of their own back yard before complaining about their neighbor.
2 - Put on at least 25 stone
From my experience of actually being an American, there is a wide gulf forming between the ultra-fat and ultra-fit. They both have commercial markets that cater to their needs. Fat people are good for the economy.
3 - Learn the lingo
Or alternately, become one of those annoying, self righteous spelling nazi's that NOBODY likes.
5 - Become totally irrational and nonsensical
Or, dwell on the past of your once great empire and invent anything you can to poke fun at the Americans because it helps you overcome the pain of the fact that you got your asses kicked a while back and are now our lapdog.
6 - Sue everyone you ever meet
Or, bend over and accept your "station" in life. Become a big pussy that accepts a class structure and never strive to be anything better than what you were "born" to be.
7 - Get a "shrink"
Or, do nothing about your repressed problems and feelings and declare the entire field of psychotherapy voodoo. Become the most annoying race of people on earth with your bottled up psychosis. Take that superiority complex and decide to impose your systems of "checks and balances and order" on the world, only to get your asses beaten the whole way back to your island.
8 - Watch abysmal TV
Or, watch abysmal TV. Your TV isn't much better bub. I've watched it while trying to choak down that crap you people call "food" over there while staying in what you people think a 5 star hotel is.
As someone that grew up in Pennsylvania during the TMI incident about 10 miles away from TMI, I can sum the whole experience up like this:
Local TV: downplay, downplay, downplay
Local Radio: downplay, downplay, downplay
TMI PR People: downplay, downplay, downplay
Local Govt: downplay, downplay, downplay
Walter Cronkite gets on TV and says:
"The citizens of central Pennsylvania are in grave danger"
All fucking hell breaks loose.
The truth comes out.
That pretty much sums up what I remember.
So you are just a stupid fucker then. Plenty of those here. So sad to be you.
Everybody needs a phone. Even someone in the "boonies". That means there are a ton of small to mid-sized telecom companys sprinkled throughout the "boonies". Usually this telecom is also the local ISP. That means UNIX. That means project development. Since they own the copper, they almost always make a profit. That means they have money to spend. This is a good thing.
You assume a great deal. Maybe if you typed out the post you thought you read I'd have any idea at all what you are talking about? Gentoo is what I prefer on desktops. Debian is what I prefer on servers. Enterprise Red Hat is what I use when I have too. FreeBSD when it doesn't have to be Linux, etc. I also deployed a lot of Digital UNIX/Tru64 when it was viable. Great stuff, I'm sad to see it go. You read way too much into the post then shot from the hip. Try reading it all over again and imagine a mellow, level-headed voice in your head instead of an insane, screaming zealot.
I'd say you fall into the troll category. :) Tell me how Gentoo "gives you a chance on getting a system destroyed overnight without you being able to interfere in any way". Gentoo doesn't automatically update anything. You have to tell it to update sources. Then you have to tell it to compile and install them. There has never been an ebuild that completely destroyed a Gentoo install. Never. You take the same risks using any Linux. But with Gentoo, you do have the benefit of building all your binaries from source instead of trusting someone else's precompiled binary. And I happen to earn a lot of money using my Gentoo desktops. In fact, I can't think of a better way to do it. :) Perhaps you should spend some time actually knowing what you are talking about instead of spouting off the same tired, recycled, erroneous rhetoric?
I've already found it in my heart to forgive that whore. It was high school! But I'm still annoyed with Gentoo.
:) I don't use the package. The only spiffy thing I do with my cursors is the drop-shadow you can get with the NVidia driver.
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/config/host.def
/usr/share/cursors/xfree/whiteglass
/usr/share/cursors/xfree directory, then change the:
HAHAHAHAHAHHAA. You made me cough diet coke all over my keyboard.
How did you get the gentoo-cursors package to install?
No idea.
I'd suggest grabbing the Gentoo cursors package from here and doing this:
tar jxvf gentoo-cursors-0.3.tar.bz2
Looking at the ebuild file, you'd then want to do this:
locate your host.def file. On Gentoo it's here:
use the "locate" command to find it.
look for the line that probably says:
#define DefaultCursorTheme whiteglass
or something like that.
whatever it says the theme is, search for it. For me, whiteglass turned up here:
So using that logic, I'd put the gentoo folder that is created when I untar the cursors package in the
#define DefaultCursorTheme whiteglass
line to say:
#define DefaultCursorTheme gentoo
HOPE THIS HELPS!
Gentoo threads get overrun by people talking about how great Debian is. That starts flamewars.
You almost never see a Gentoo user start an anti-debian thread in a Gentoo story. It's always started by some anti-gentoo/pro-debian comment.
Debian threads (like this one) get overrun by people flaming Gentoo for no apparent reason at all. It's always a Debian user that brings Gentoo up like some ex-girlfriend that slept with their friends and dumped them.
Level headed people like myself that use both OS's step in and start shooting down the zealot posts.
Moderators that use Debian mod those posts down no matter how on-topic or sensible they are simply because the post is pro Gentoo, or just honest.
A lot of the slams on Debian are from Debian users with a sense of humor. I've seen a ton of these. In fact, the joking slam in this thread was started by a Debian user if I'm not mistaken. This inevitabley lead to an anti-gentoo post for no apparent reason, like the guy that complains about the ex-girlfriend that slept with his friends then dumped him, and consequently can't find anyone that wants to go drinking with him anymore after work.
Debian is great.
Gentoo is great.
They both have their place. Gentoo isn't your ex-girlfriend that slept with your friends and dumped you simply because it's better at a lot of things.
Debian is great on servers, and that's what it should be used for when your bosses aren't screaming for Red Hat because Oracle likes it, or because Polyserve likes it, or because EMC likes it, etc.
And no, I'm obviously not new here.
A lot of you need to rest your necks. The jokes are funny. I love slamming Debian once in a while if it's a damn funny time to do it. I'll also step right up to the plate and slam Gentoo as well. It's when the zealots start getting all serious about their pet OS and start making ridiculous assersions about another ones that their true colors show. Imagine what someone that has never used either Debian or Gentoo thinks after reading this stuff? They'll walk away thinking that Gentoo is too hard for them (and it isn't. A braindead monkey could follow the install instructions), or they'll think (wow, them Debian users are kinda extreme, foaming at the mouth, radicals). That isn't good for anyone.
Excellent. There isn't much you can't do with one distro or another. Debian is great. RedHat is great. SuSe is great. Gentoo is great. Slackware is great. It's simply a matter of knowing one of them VERY VERY well. I know them all pretty well and I prefer Gentoo on desktops, and FreeBSD on servers. If it has to be Linux on a server, I prefer Debian unless it can't be. Then I use Enterprise Red Hat. Based on my preferences, you would assume that I know FreeBSD and Gentoo the best, and you'd be right. The important thing is that 90 percent of all UNIX and UNIXlike OS's are identical in nature. Learn that 90 percent, then find the one with the 10 percent left that you like the best. Plenty to choose from.
Huh? You can easily get a shell during a Debian install.
And do what with it exactly? With Gentoo, you are using a shell to do the install because that's what you are supposed to do. The instructions for dealing with that shell are here. You follow the instructions, and get exactly what you want. It takes longer, but that's the price you pay for a superior end product. The novice user can, and apparently does follow these excellent instructions with great success. What is the novice going to do with that debian shell if the Debian install goes bad? You basically compared apples and couches.
I'd say Gentoo isn't for you. You'd be better off with something more tuned to your skill level. If reading the instructions here is a problem for you, then you'd be better served with a more hand holding OS like Debian. The only strange hardware problem I had with install "SATA drive" was fixed by following the very simple Knoppix install method outlined on that same page. All the weird compile problems I've had over the last 2 years or so (all 3 of them) were solved in a few minutes by reading stuff here. Reading must not be your thing, or you have strange hardware. I personally couldn't imagine running anything but Gentoo on any desktop I use because of the excellent performance, documentation, security, and ease of upgrading. That and all the bleeding edge stuff in the world is at my fingertips in record time to be compiled however I want, when I want. This is what is important to me though. If I was lazy, I'd probably pay for RedHat 3.0 WS for the strong vendor support and excellent upgrade ease. I'm not lazy though. I don't mind putting in the bit of work up front to be very lazy afterwards and have the fastest Linux distro possible. The performance gains are very real, and very noticable. And you don't have to wait 13 months for XFree 4.3 only to find out that OpenGL is broken. I'd never use Gentoo on a server, but I can't point to a single time where a machine rebooted spontaneously. I did have to recompile mplayer once because it was unstable, but that took all of 3 minutes? Seriously. Most of the people that moan about Gentoo are either:
A) Trolls
B) Debian Trolls
C) Not using the distro they should.
Gentoo isn't afraid of you.
There is missing information you don't have that would explain it. :) It's really not important though. I know the lyrics well. Seen em live enought times.
If the demon is 5, then God is 7.
Whiner.
Hippy.
Exactly what we need. I'll explain....
I used to work with a guy that was thrilled he could IRC from his Palm V with a nokia phone and the right cord. All he did (even after getting fired) was chat on IRC. At home. At work. On the bus to work. Even sometimes (I swear to God) while driving. So I don't like the idea of providing the same basic fantasy world IN COLOR to people. Nonstop disconnected reality. The ONLY positive spin I can possibly put on this is:
1) It will weed out the idiots that get addicted to stupid stuff so they will lose their jobs so people that actually WANT to work will have some jobs to fight over.
2) There will probably be a small cottage industry that springs up to deal with this new addiction also creating jobs.
That's all I got.
Can you honestly tell me that there are no major security problems with linux???
Major security problems with Linux don't translate into the entire net being thoroughly fucked up for days at a time. People that don't even run microsoft products suffer finantial loss because of their code quality. They have a retarded balance between useability and application level security for "ease of use" reason. This makes it very easy for a trojan to use the system and a million others. This probably has a lot more to do with why windows problems are highly publicized. When Microsoft has a problem, we all pay. And they do next to nothing about it.
*I* don't pay a dime for Linux. You HAVE to pay for Microsoft products. You bet your sweet ass I expect not only better security than Linux, but better code and faster patching for something I'm paying a fortune for. Unfortunately, the exact opposite is true. Microsoft really needs to get their shit together if they are to be taken seriously by the enterprise.
So how I see it, I can spent a fortune for a substandard product with a EULA that doesn't protect me at all and offers NO responsibility from microsoft for actions related to their poor code quality, or I can use something for free with basically the exact same license and a much better security track record.
What responsibility? When was the last time Microsoft kicked corporate america the billions of dollars they lose each year because of viruses and other security problems with Microsoft products? It doesn't look like they really take responsibility for anything. How many outstanding security issues are there right now?
It was simply common sense. We had three independant firms calculate the cost out over the next 5 years. It basically panned out like this:
Microsoft: 15 million
Sun: 10 million
Redhat ES 3.0 on DL380's: 2 million
We had briefly toyed with the idea (seriously though) of using Debian instead of Red Hat, but some of our proprietary hardware was only supported by Red Hat. I can safely say that the level of technical acumen and common sense here made SCO's hilarious blatherings have exactly zero impact in any of our decision making.
'm constantly told that I have an extremely high intelligence
Quit hanging out with your mom.
Who else would wear a tuxedo everyday?
Hmmmm
#1 Your mom
#2 Someone that thinks peguin is gay.
Usually when you meet someone that calls things (even mispelled animals) gay, they have latent homosexual tendacies. I can totally hook you up with my gardener.
Oh oh oh, not to mention that security and bug fixing doesn't make money. Only a constant stream of new features that you have to pay to get makes you money. Why waste valuable money-making feature-adding time on security and bug fixes? You'd have to pay a fortune for the people necessary to debug 1,000,000+ lines of code properly. And if you are going to pay that much money for those people, why not just have them work on new features instead so you can make even MORE money.
1) Hire some programmers.
2) Make some programs.
3) Ignore secure programming practices (wastes time)
4) concentrate on features.
5) come up with a formula to figure out if it will be more expensive to ignore a bug or security problem, or address it. apply that formula stringently. profit is everything.
6) PROFIT!