if all the music dried up and just went away, these morons saying recorded music isnt worth anything would suddenly realize that we musicians need to eat and pay rent too.
unfortunately people here are assuming that the money would go to big record labels because government does not genrally put the peoples considerations ahead of business's...if this gets passed it would be because the labels have bribed, er...lobbied sellout politicians (most of them) for it.
sad and true.
there is a whole world of hip hop out there...with lyrics other than - I got lots of bling, cant f u c k with me, all the ho's want me, my goonz will kick your ass...
its just all that gets played on radio and mtv is crap.
that goes for all styles of music....
I myself am a blues rock guitarist turned hip hop producer for a political hip hop crew....
if you like immortal technique, check out guerillafunk.com and thier artists.
your 100% right...they arenot funding talent and do not deserve to reap any extra taxes in...
record execs have been heard saying james brown would never have been signed in todays climate...thats really sad...
its a bit late after a million fools have purchased the software...
the only 2 things that will fix this issue is all the people before born before 1975 die OR you make people get a computer license.
I did tech support for a few years and imho majority of people who were born before 1975 are too stupid. yes i say stupid because they also ask you how to spell COMMAND (is that one M or two M's) or they say "whats internet explorer?" when you ask them to open it...everytime they switch on their pc it tells them what OS they have...it flashes up WINDOWS XP or whatever...but they have no clue what OS they are running...tech support makes you want to kill yourself so you never have to speak to a fool again....
I posted a reply, but it appears it didnt work so here goes again - Closed X86 makes it easier for apple yes but they will never compete for real market share if they dont abandon this policy at some point. I still think closed x86 is silly. apple easily has the resources to fully support x86. with their cash cows IPOD, IPHONE, they are in a position to compete with ms directly for once in their histroy and they would probably do well. Competition is serisouly missing from this market and people are crying out for a choice.
you talk about stability -
I have an xp system, its stable as any mac. Why? I know what Im doing. the reason pc has this rubbish instable tag is due to 98% market share and a bunch of twits that get tonnes of virus's searching for porn and whatever else...they should go back to their typewriter and forget about the computer. You ever done tech support? sometimes the halfwits dont know where the space bar is...I shit you not
If mac had more market penetration they would have same problems...simple. But the pro's outweigh the cons IMHO... I have also never had any issue with any 3rd party devices and drivers no matter how cheap. and ive used a crapload of devices. PS... car analogies are just lame
I am a professional musician and I think this is blackmail.
Sounds a lot like Microsofts blackmail against linux developers...sign here, pay us some cash and we promise we wont sue you.
The record labels need to go broke more than GM does... they are not producing great music. just disposable music.
Execs have been heard saying James Brown would never have been signed in todays climate...
The corporations dictate the streets. They are the gate keepers and they created this culture of disposable crap and they could end it too if they wanted.
I think the fact the labels are putting the most effort behind the least talented artists is half the reason their income stream is drying up. People like "disposable" artists now...they dont become real fans who want to buy your CD because they want to support you. If your next single isnt as hot as the last they will drop you faster than you can say "john mccain". They sell emptiness. I hope they go broke...real artists can make a living without them these days...
this whole thing is a farce they know wont happen.
labor is just appeasing this other right wing christain party (family first) who they want on their side, for numbers against the opposition party. They know it will fail, but they can go to this "family first" party and say - 'we tried...it cant be done, you still owe us your vote.'
they never should have touted "practically zero virus's" as a mac feature...especially when they were gaining market share. But they will never really take a massive slice of PC market the way they run things. Closed x86 HW is stupid. There was a reason for apple HW when they were PPC, but not now... All I want from apple is to be able to run macOS on my intel box...why are they sooo scared of upsetting MS? they dont sell many desktops anyway and they would still sell lots of funky looking apple laptops IMHO...I want competition. Linux cannot provide it. Apple never really tried. Why wont they take MS head on? Imagine in this anti-vista climate they release macOS for ALL PC's...MS might be forced to really make a better OS...this is what competition does...
outside of being a spastic that doesnt know how not to get virus's, or needing to use final cut pro, what do we need a mac for? its not PPC anymore, so whats the diff? you want to run ubuntu on apple HW? buy an x86 box for a lot less than your crapple...Apple lovers, I dont give a shit about your mod points, mod me down, dont care...your a sucker that loves to get locked into suckage. If you really need to use final cut pro, I can understand that i suppose;), im a musician who uses creative software...
Its not just booting PC's like at home...
You usually have many more things to boot than at home and lots of things to log into.
At an old job I had they allowed for this....then they tried to make you come into work early, to which so many people ignored that management gave up trying...It was actually part of our workplace agreement, having to arrive early to boot our systems. HA, as if...I remember telling some management muppet if he wants my system ready by the exact time my shift starts he better have someone else prepare it for me, before I walked out of his "meeting".
I really hope the lawsuit is successful. If its fine for corporations to pay low wages, little tax, externalize a crap load of costs to the taxpayer and make obscene amounts of profit, then its fine for them to pay me to prepare their tools for their job...i just wanted to be paid from when my shift starts and not have to come in EARLY and work for NOTHING....You'd think this wouldn't be too much to ask...
make no mistake, bean counters at any corporation will always want to pay you less...If they think they can they definitely will. Never let em think they can....ever.
Anti phishing software is a travesty. it slows your browsing significantly and really....who needs it? complete fkn idiots. Let the complete fkn idiots get scammed for all I care...
I used to work for bigpond and recently left, when i left they had 44% of market share. Mystifying when you cant get the net with twice the downloads at half the price quite easily. bigpond even want another $10 per month for a static ip on top of their already extremely high prices.
Even with a staff discount, I got my internet way cheaper elsewhere. Its not entirely bigponds fault as they are not allowed to be ultra competitive on prices as this would sound the death of all other ISP's.
Australia left it way too long before allowing competition in the market...the computer/internet dumb dumbs here think bigpond actually OWN the internet. A lot of them are not even aware there are other providers...I say this with 1st hand experience.
"ISP? whats an ISP? if I want the net I ring bigpond"....grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
your correct, i recently left telstra and when I left they had a mammoth 44% of ALL internet customers in australia....really weird considering they are the MOST expensive by far....
if MS was legally obliged to provide an adequate anti-virus, there would be a single point of contact for developers.
This is the only way I can see it possible.
It mite ruin the AV industry, but we'd all probably be better off if MS were accountable for protecting their product from falling to a shitpile with virus infections. And developers would have one place to go to get flagged as clean.
tonight on TODAY TONIGHT - The shonky builder, drink driver, road rager and pervert who just keeps getting away with it...The police havent done anything, but today tonight's crew decided to inform you about this low life..... OMG we have the crappiest media...Especially in political debate...
we all know sometimes you can get modded bad for some frivolous reason, usually the moderator just disagree's and they mod you badly calling you a troll. This has the potential to be a disaster depending on how its managed...if its done badly and most likely it will be, countless people will find themselves banned from all EA games and if your a big EA fan, you could have easily spent a lot of money on games.....can you smell class action lawsuit?
I don't like the concept of a cloud at all. What if the net goes down? phone line goes down? it happens...so what then? What if you couldn't pay your net bill for that month and your cutoff temporarily? Is your computer useless until the net comes back on? I think the concept is just too futuristic to be viable now.
I know things will get better, its just how much better and how long will it take (while being 100% free).
professional creative software is a profitable niche if supported well, just ask apple. Would their computer division have survived the tough times without desktop publishing and pro music software? arguably not. There was a period when if you didn't have a mac in your studio, you were a damn fool. Before those times, if your work was video you had to have an amiga 2000 with a newtek video toaster (1st professional home video studio, 1990, costing 5K, compared to 20K workstations at TV studio's, many low budget TV stations around the world apparently continue to use them and some older guys in big news networks have stated that still nothing today beats it for getting high quality gfx up FAST which is obviously handy in a news environment.)...If your work was audio you had to have an atari ST. I cant tell you how many musicians held onto these and refused to upgrade for years on end, even though PC's and macs were leaving it for dead after atari went bankrupt. They bought a PC with windows 95/98, but they still used their atari ST for their music production for some time, until it was just career suicide not to upgrade...both the amiga and atari had bad management, with amiga's being downright shady on top of incompetent which led to throwing away a technological lead on its rivals and then going bankrupt, but their success came from A- finding a niche and B- latest games/gfx (amiga was the best on the market, PC and mac were crap for games at the time, amiga ports always looked better than atari ST ports too.)...If linux can get a niche and get GFX, it will sell products..and itself for a change...I think it needs to be a sell-able product for that to happen. If you think it can happen while being 100% free, im not knocking you, ive just never heard any one tell me yet, a viable way how it will compete with windows/mac with no money.
by the way, as a musician, I have no chance of using my firewire audio interface hardware without being able to use wine as far as I can see...roland has no plans for a linux driver.
& even if I got my audio hardware working, there is no DAW (digital audio workstaion) on linux with VST support...which is crucial...
if linux could come up with some hardware and software support for musicians, it might just find a nice little niche for itself...we computer musicians know enough about computers to know we wouldn't use windows if we had a choice.
I dont mean this to sound like im complaining as you put it, more like constructive criticism....I mean installer wizards that let joe average double click a file and click next a few times to install a program...and a package manager might be halfway there, but its not good enough for the masses to jump on board.
Also, when i say lack of software, i mean things like Pro tools, Cubase, Reason, Ableton live...professional DAWs.... I did say i was a musician. I am not an IT professional... What if you need photoshop (last i heard there wasnt a port?) what if you need other creative software not found on linux? your stuck with windows if you dont like macs...and if you want the latest games your just stuck with windows...(dont tell me apples are good gaming rigs) linux can meet a lot of peoples needs but not mine. I want it to meet my needs of course so I can kiss windows goodbye.
how it happens doesnt mean anything to most users, they just use the com, they dont care how it was made or if software developers are responsible for installers or if the OS is.
I dont mean it to sound like im bashing linux, thats not my point...my points are, this article makes it sound like the cost of making X means its worth X...and also that linux would probably turn into a real windows/macOS competitor if it was turned into a real product.
Can you really convince the industry to jump on board without $$$? thats all they care about in the end...gone are most visionaries like chuck peddle who wanted to change the world and didn't care about money (creator of the 650x line of processors, found in nearly all the early home computers and consoles, even the SNES was 2x 8bit 6502's... He took motorola's CPU design which he had also worked on...and coupled that with a very clever chip manufacturing process, which gave him super high chip yields reducing the price of early CPU's from hundreds of dollars to $25 thus bringing them to your lounge room real fast. He tried to get motorola to fund his vision whilst he worked there, but being a profit machine they didn't like the idea of turning a $300 product into a $25 one...so he left, they sued, he got around em and he helped changed the world. Its amazing how little credit goes to this man, obviously because he didn't end up a bill gates type... he never got any big bucks, in fact he got shafted by commodore - his employers and ended up fairly broke). Does anyone at Dell or HP possess enough vision and balls to push linux to the next level? or do they just like selling PC boxes as if there selling toasters?
just because something is cost X to make doesn't mean its worth Y. Yes goodwill is an asset but coca cola's goodwill represents hoards of paying customers while linux has not.... For 10 billion dollars I'd expect a few things like how about auto installers?, ive had linux geeks say its impossible and its a windows thing and linux will never be windows, but its more like a modern commercial OS thing in reality - I could have sworn my amigaOS in 1987 had auto installers ( If you had a hard disk...fuck that was a long time ago now... ) and so does mac, so linux geeks, how is it just a windows thing? say its currently impossible - fine, dont say its a windows thing...
This also doesnt mean im not pro-linux...
i am def pro linux, but i cant ditch windows and use it because I am a pro musician / gamer and linux cant support my audio HW (dont say wine, im a musician not an I.T genius), or give me ports of the best software or give me the latest games...I want to see real money thrown at linux, I just cant see it meeting my computing needs and competing with windows on a real scale until a company turns it into a real product that they sell and make money from. how much does it cost to bribe HW makers to start making drivers and software developers to start porting the best software these days? being 100% free is indeed awesome but its a double edged sword.
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if all the music dried up and just went away, these morons saying recorded music isnt worth anything would suddenly realize that we musicians need to eat and pay rent too. unfortunately people here are assuming that the money would go to big record labels because government does not genrally put the peoples considerations ahead of business's...if this gets passed it would be because the labels have bribed, er...lobbied sellout politicians (most of them) for it. sad and true.
there is a whole world of hip hop out there...with lyrics other than - I got lots of bling, cant f u c k with me, all the ho's want me, my goonz will kick your ass... its just all that gets played on radio and mtv is crap. that goes for all styles of music.... I myself am a blues rock guitarist turned hip hop producer for a political hip hop crew.... if you like immortal technique, check out guerillafunk.com and thier artists.
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your 100% right...they arenot funding talent and do not deserve to reap any extra taxes in... record execs have been heard saying james brown would never have been signed in todays climate...thats really sad...
its a bit late after a million fools have purchased the software... the only 2 things that will fix this issue is all the people before born before 1975 die OR you make people get a computer license. I did tech support for a few years and imho majority of people who were born before 1975 are too stupid. yes i say stupid because they also ask you how to spell COMMAND (is that one M or two M's) or they say "whats internet explorer?" when you ask them to open it...everytime they switch on their pc it tells them what OS they have...it flashes up WINDOWS XP or whatever...but they have no clue what OS they are running...tech support makes you want to kill yourself so you never have to speak to a fool again....
I posted a reply, but it appears it didnt work so here goes again - Closed X86 makes it easier for apple yes but they will never compete for real market share if they dont abandon this policy at some point. I still think closed x86 is silly. apple easily has the resources to fully support x86. with their cash cows IPOD, IPHONE, they are in a position to compete with ms directly for once in their histroy and they would probably do well. Competition is serisouly missing from this market and people are crying out for a choice. you talk about stability - I have an xp system, its stable as any mac. Why? I know what Im doing. the reason pc has this rubbish instable tag is due to 98% market share and a bunch of twits that get tonnes of virus's searching for porn and whatever else...they should go back to their typewriter and forget about the computer. You ever done tech support? sometimes the halfwits dont know where the space bar is...I shit you not If mac had more market penetration they would have same problems...simple. But the pro's outweigh the cons IMHO... I have also never had any issue with any 3rd party devices and drivers no matter how cheap. and ive used a crapload of devices. PS... car analogies are just lame
I am a professional musician and I think this is blackmail. Sounds a lot like Microsofts blackmail against linux developers...sign here, pay us some cash and we promise we wont sue you. The record labels need to go broke more than GM does... they are not producing great music. just disposable music. Execs have been heard saying James Brown would never have been signed in todays climate... The corporations dictate the streets. They are the gate keepers and they created this culture of disposable crap and they could end it too if they wanted. I think the fact the labels are putting the most effort behind the least talented artists is half the reason their income stream is drying up. People like "disposable" artists now...they dont become real fans who want to buy your CD because they want to support you. If your next single isnt as hot as the last they will drop you faster than you can say "john mccain". They sell emptiness. I hope they go broke...real artists can make a living without them these days...
this whole thing is a farce they know wont happen. labor is just appeasing this other right wing christain party (family first) who they want on their side, for numbers against the opposition party. They know it will fail, but they can go to this "family first" party and say - 'we tried...it cant be done, you still owe us your vote.'
I remember seeing faces in the front of cars...when i was 7....
they never should have touted "practically zero virus's" as a mac feature...especially when they were gaining market share. But they will never really take a massive slice of PC market the way they run things. Closed x86 HW is stupid. There was a reason for apple HW when they were PPC, but not now... All I want from apple is to be able to run macOS on my intel box...why are they sooo scared of upsetting MS? they dont sell many desktops anyway and they would still sell lots of funky looking apple laptops IMHO...I want competition. Linux cannot provide it. Apple never really tried. Why wont they take MS head on? Imagine in this anti-vista climate they release macOS for ALL PC's...MS might be forced to really make a better OS...this is what competition does...
outside of being a spastic that doesnt know how not to get virus's, or needing to use final cut pro, what do we need a mac for? its not PPC anymore, so whats the diff? you want to run ubuntu on apple HW? buy an x86 box for a lot less than your crapple...Apple lovers, I dont give a shit about your mod points, mod me down, dont care...your a sucker that loves to get locked into suckage. If you really need to use final cut pro, I can understand that i suppose ;), im a musician who uses creative software...
Its not just booting PC's like at home... You usually have many more things to boot than at home and lots of things to log into. At an old job I had they allowed for this....then they tried to make you come into work early, to which so many people ignored that management gave up trying...It was actually part of our workplace agreement, having to arrive early to boot our systems. HA, as if...I remember telling some management muppet if he wants my system ready by the exact time my shift starts he better have someone else prepare it for me, before I walked out of his "meeting". I really hope the lawsuit is successful. If its fine for corporations to pay low wages, little tax, externalize a crap load of costs to the taxpayer and make obscene amounts of profit, then its fine for them to pay me to prepare their tools for their job...i just wanted to be paid from when my shift starts and not have to come in EARLY and work for NOTHING....You'd think this wouldn't be too much to ask... make no mistake, bean counters at any corporation will always want to pay you less...If they think they can they definitely will. Never let em think they can....ever.
Anti phishing software is a travesty. it slows your browsing significantly and really....who needs it? complete fkn idiots. Let the complete fkn idiots get scammed for all I care...
woops typo - Mystifying when you CAN get the net with twice the downloads at half the price quite easily
I used to work for bigpond and recently left, when i left they had 44% of market share. Mystifying when you cant get the net with twice the downloads at half the price quite easily. bigpond even want another $10 per month for a static ip on top of their already extremely high prices. Even with a staff discount, I got my internet way cheaper elsewhere. Its not entirely bigponds fault as they are not allowed to be ultra competitive on prices as this would sound the death of all other ISP's. Australia left it way too long before allowing competition in the market...the computer/internet dumb dumbs here think bigpond actually OWN the internet. A lot of them are not even aware there are other providers...I say this with 1st hand experience. "ISP? whats an ISP? if I want the net I ring bigpond"....grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
your correct, i recently left telstra and when I left they had a mammoth 44% of ALL internet customers in australia....really weird considering they are the MOST expensive by far....
if MS was legally obliged to provide an adequate anti-virus, there would be a single point of contact for developers. This is the only way I can see it possible. It mite ruin the AV industry, but we'd all probably be better off if MS were accountable for protecting their product from falling to a shitpile with virus infections. And developers would have one place to go to get flagged as clean.
yes but microsoft have also stated the goals and one of those goals is - "the same software should run faster under windows 7 than vista"
tonight on TODAY TONIGHT - The shonky builder, drink driver, road rager and pervert who just keeps getting away with it...The police havent done anything, but today tonight's crew decided to inform you about this low life..... OMG we have the crappiest media...Especially in political debate...
we all know sometimes you can get modded bad for some frivolous reason, usually the moderator just disagree's and they mod you badly calling you a troll. This has the potential to be a disaster depending on how its managed...if its done badly and most likely it will be, countless people will find themselves banned from all EA games and if your a big EA fan, you could have easily spent a lot of money on games.....can you smell class action lawsuit?
I don't like the concept of a cloud at all. What if the net goes down? phone line goes down? it happens...so what then? What if you couldn't pay your net bill for that month and your cutoff temporarily? Is your computer useless until the net comes back on? I think the concept is just too futuristic to be viable now.
I know things will get better, its just how much better and how long will it take (while being 100% free). professional creative software is a profitable niche if supported well, just ask apple. Would their computer division have survived the tough times without desktop publishing and pro music software? arguably not. There was a period when if you didn't have a mac in your studio, you were a damn fool. Before those times, if your work was video you had to have an amiga 2000 with a newtek video toaster (1st professional home video studio, 1990, costing 5K, compared to 20K workstations at TV studio's, many low budget TV stations around the world apparently continue to use them and some older guys in big news networks have stated that still nothing today beats it for getting high quality gfx up FAST which is obviously handy in a news environment.)...If your work was audio you had to have an atari ST. I cant tell you how many musicians held onto these and refused to upgrade for years on end, even though PC's and macs were leaving it for dead after atari went bankrupt. They bought a PC with windows 95/98, but they still used their atari ST for their music production for some time, until it was just career suicide not to upgrade...both the amiga and atari had bad management, with amiga's being downright shady on top of incompetent which led to throwing away a technological lead on its rivals and then going bankrupt, but their success came from A- finding a niche and B- latest games/gfx (amiga was the best on the market, PC and mac were crap for games at the time, amiga ports always looked better than atari ST ports too.)...If linux can get a niche and get GFX, it will sell products..and itself for a change...I think it needs to be a sell-able product for that to happen. If you think it can happen while being 100% free, im not knocking you, ive just never heard any one tell me yet, a viable way how it will compete with windows/mac with no money.
by the way, as a musician, I have no chance of using my firewire audio interface hardware without being able to use wine as far as I can see...roland has no plans for a linux driver. & even if I got my audio hardware working, there is no DAW (digital audio workstaion) on linux with VST support...which is crucial... if linux could come up with some hardware and software support for musicians, it might just find a nice little niche for itself...we computer musicians know enough about computers to know we wouldn't use windows if we had a choice.
I dont mean this to sound like im complaining as you put it, more like constructive criticism....I mean installer wizards that let joe average double click a file and click next a few times to install a program...and a package manager might be halfway there, but its not good enough for the masses to jump on board. Also, when i say lack of software, i mean things like Pro tools, Cubase, Reason, Ableton live...professional DAWs.... I did say i was a musician. I am not an IT professional... What if you need photoshop (last i heard there wasnt a port?) what if you need other creative software not found on linux? your stuck with windows if you dont like macs...and if you want the latest games your just stuck with windows...(dont tell me apples are good gaming rigs) linux can meet a lot of peoples needs but not mine. I want it to meet my needs of course so I can kiss windows goodbye. how it happens doesnt mean anything to most users, they just use the com, they dont care how it was made or if software developers are responsible for installers or if the OS is. I dont mean it to sound like im bashing linux, thats not my point...my points are, this article makes it sound like the cost of making X means its worth X...and also that linux would probably turn into a real windows/macOS competitor if it was turned into a real product. Can you really convince the industry to jump on board without $$$? thats all they care about in the end...gone are most visionaries like chuck peddle who wanted to change the world and didn't care about money (creator of the 650x line of processors, found in nearly all the early home computers and consoles, even the SNES was 2x 8bit 6502's... He took motorola's CPU design which he had also worked on...and coupled that with a very clever chip manufacturing process, which gave him super high chip yields reducing the price of early CPU's from hundreds of dollars to $25 thus bringing them to your lounge room real fast. He tried to get motorola to fund his vision whilst he worked there, but being a profit machine they didn't like the idea of turning a $300 product into a $25 one...so he left, they sued, he got around em and he helped changed the world. Its amazing how little credit goes to this man, obviously because he didn't end up a bill gates type... he never got any big bucks, in fact he got shafted by commodore - his employers and ended up fairly broke). Does anyone at Dell or HP possess enough vision and balls to push linux to the next level? or do they just like selling PC boxes as if there selling toasters?
just because something is cost X to make doesn't mean its worth Y. Yes goodwill is an asset but coca cola's goodwill represents hoards of paying customers while linux has not.... For 10 billion dollars I'd expect a few things like how about auto installers?, ive had linux geeks say its impossible and its a windows thing and linux will never be windows, but its more like a modern commercial OS thing in reality - I could have sworn my amigaOS in 1987 had auto installers ( If you had a hard disk...fuck that was a long time ago now... ) and so does mac, so linux geeks, how is it just a windows thing? say its currently impossible - fine, dont say its a windows thing... This also doesnt mean im not pro-linux... i am def pro linux, but i cant ditch windows and use it because I am a pro musician / gamer and linux cant support my audio HW (dont say wine, im a musician not an I.T genius), or give me ports of the best software or give me the latest games...I want to see real money thrown at linux, I just cant see it meeting my computing needs and competing with windows on a real scale until a company turns it into a real product that they sell and make money from. how much does it cost to bribe HW makers to start making drivers and software developers to start porting the best software these days? being 100% free is indeed awesome but its a double edged sword.