Re:this is great but...
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Athlon 64 Debuts
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I'm not sure that you really understand the meaning of the word "Troll." Check here for a good definition of "Troll." The word came from "Trolling for n00bs," where people would purposely get something wrong in order to get all the new people to jump on them. A good troll is really quite amusing, and very difficult to pinpoint... such as this comment's parent's post, I would guess.;-) Good trolls usually do not include Natalie Portman, Grits, or AYB. Those posts would generally be modded "Offtopic," which is a euphamism for "Useless."
What is interesting is that the grandparent thought they were posting a Troll by posting a valid thought held by many people. If there are no apps, then why would I buy the processor?
In answer to that question, I would propose the analogy: Would you wait until the flood hit to get sandbags? It's always good to have the sandbags on hand, they don't get in the way, nor do they cause you to live life in a different way. The Athlon64 is like that, a latent 64 bit platform that doesn't hurt to have, and even gives incredible performance gains in 32 bit apps.
Be truthful! The knife should attach it's own blade in the constructor. You'd call this a breadknife.
Java:
BreadKnife bKnife = new BreadKnife(); _try() bKnife.cut(new Bread()); catch(Outch) dial.dialNumber(911);
ASP
Dim knife Dim bread Set knife = Server.CreateObject("KnifeLib.ButterKnife") Set bread = Server.CreateObject("FoodLib.Bread") knife.cut bread Set bread = Nothing Set knife = Nothing
ASP.NET
BreadKnife bKnife = new BreadKnife(); try{ bKnife.cut(bread); }catch (CutException e){ if (e.isBleeding == true) Phone.Dial(911); }
There really isn't any advantage one way or the other, except that ASP sucks compared to both.
Given the referenced DBMS's, it is possible to do all of your logic coding in SQL using their own proprietary extensions. We have an AR system that is based on SQL Server that has all of the logic contained in Stored Procedures. There are some benefits to doing it this way, as well as some negatives.
Benefits:
You can write a front end in any language, for any platform that can connect to SQL Server.
Negatives:
Writing complicated logic in SQL is worse than a 10-pound earhole during a hangover.
The main point of the blog was a discussion of web based pages. It is interesting to note that he talks about the difficulty of students grasping enterprise Java concepts when they've only had one semester of Java programming. This semester was most likely an intro course. This is similar to letting a 12 year old drive a car, some will get it and drive fast, others will crash into a light post five feet away.
He also discusses the need for redeclarations of items in these pages, which is a design problem at worst. If his students planned properly, they'd use inheritance to take care of the common things connections and queries. There's no reason for common repitition.
The.Net environment is a bit more forgiving for beginners. Building pages is as easy as using a forms designer. This would explain his lack of complaint for that product. In most cases, however, I'd say that programming C# and programming Java are more similar than not.
As for scripting... I would tend to agree that they are better for hammering out applications quickly. The issue here is the decision to have an interpreted language versus a compiled language. I, for one, would rather have my html output code fully compiled, for the best use of the machine. It just makes more sense.:shrug:
Star Office has Star BASIC, which handles all of the internal automation crap. Then there is Uno, which handles all of your external programming automation stuff.
Not to mention that postgresql is not native for Windows yet (slated for next year), and requires a commercial version that costs $$ or Cygwin. The Cygwin way of doing things limits performance by a factor of 2 or 3, which is BAD!
MySQL is different, but lacks a decent frontend by default. Adabas is the same, as I see it, but I wouldn't worry too much about it. The majority of accountants out there use Spreadsheets when they should be using databases, only the smart ones know the difference. Of all of the accounting spooks at this place, only one uses Access (and he's a consultant). Even though Star ships with Adabas, it's still a rather scary and foriegn thing.
You would have had a squiggly green line there if you were using Word.
I am no fan of Word, though. One time, for no apparent reason, it decided that the window would open 15 pixels to the right of the right side of the screen. This happened regardless of resolution, and I had to maximize the window in order to use the thing. Fixing it involved deleting some registry keys, which set it back to default.
I also hate the way you need to program with Word (2000), if you are using the OLE automation stuff. It is completely whacked, different from every other part of Office. I'd rather work with the Juno interface, which is available in Star and Open Office.
And in Illinois, people just lie about where the money is going. Just look at the old Governor, and how he managed to rope a couple million dollars to fund his neice's horse show.
There may not be legislative pork, but I'm pretty sure that Illinois lawmakers don't know half of what the money in a bill is going to be used for.
The point that my boss and his "consultant" come up with that opposes going to Linux is that "There are no training classes for Linux, but there are thousands of courses for Microsoft products." I really can't counter that, since they seem to think that a class that teaches you how to click a mouse button is important. I muttered "as if anyone really takes these courses and benefits." They chose to ignore me.
The point that my boss has against OO is that there isn't a nice booklet with a shiny cover that comes with it. Then again, you have to pay through the nose to the Microsoft press for a book on MS Office, but the aspect of having to print up the documentation is daunting.
Believe me. These are true reasons why people do not switch.
That is just plain wrong. You used to be able to notice the difference between 1600X1200 and 1024X768 easily. Now that AA is around, the difference has blurred somewhat.
I run all of my games at 1600X1200 if I can get at least decent performance. Everything scales for the screen, looking the same size as everything on 1024X768, only much smoother. Higher resolutions also will allow for higher amounts of detail, if care has been given in that direction. You've got more pixels to play with, so you could render 1,000 more leaves on that tree, or render more pock-marks into that wooden doorway.
The only reason why you would think that 1600X1200 makes everything small is because of the sore state of the desktop. This is getting fixed, As referenced here, with SVG. Now, we just have to have the window graphics and fonts done with SVG, and we would all be in high res heaven.
That's why you employ two or three of them remotely, without telling them about eachother. Any back doors that one of them puts in, the other will find, and vice versa. As long as they don't know about the other(s), you should be in the clear.
Every time I see this "Vow not to share files" or references to "Illegal P2P applications," I start wondering if the wording is such that the victim will not be able to share any files whatsoever, legally or public domain. I can see these huge corporations not really understanding the difference between serving copyrighted music and serving a distribution of GNU/Linux over KaZaa. I'm sure that they would like neither to take place.
Re:VS sucks
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Java vs .NET
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If I could mod you up, I would. Just today, I attempted to rename the project namespace for a.NET application. It took me about two hours to get everything fixed, the namespace is tied to the directory, and therefore references get hidden in various non-class files. The hidden references may not be necessary to straight programming, notepad/editplus style, but when they are wrong, they break the debugger in VS.NET.
If VS.NET had a good way to rename classes and namespaces, it would be a Godsend. Sometimes, you just realize that you were stupid in naming a class what you did, and that it would be so much more clear if it had a different name. I've worked with Eclipse refactoring, and I remember the first time... my jaw dropped, and I was like "This is fucking awesome!"
Refactoring is an excellent tool that should not be ignored, and is definitely not replaced by code outlining/regions. Those, OTOH, are really good for getting an overview of your code, and instant grokking after not touching for 5 months.
Geesh. STFU about VB3 already. It's about as antiquated as your grandma's underwear. You've gone way off-topic as it is, talking about a language that isn't even offered in.NET, and has nothing to do with Java. Last time I checked, the subject was "Java vs..NET," which somehow doesn't include VB3. What the heck is DevStudio anyway?
The only issue I have with VS.NET is that it lacks the SDI interface that I grew accustomed to in VB6 and Delphi. As it is, you can do everything with.NET that you can do with C, it just takes a few more CPU cycles. Anything done in COM can be used with at worst a marshal, while command-line things can be executed as separate processes at the drop of the hat. If there's something you need that is low-level, you are allowed to write what you need in an external program and execute it through.NET. This is something that you aren't really allowed to do with Java.
About the IDE being rock solid and all... I can't really say the same. I've got VS Studio.NET 2003 installed, and it occasionally hangs. A co-worker once left it on at night, and the next day he came in to find that it had sucked all of his RAM up. It might have been his fault, but I highly doubt it. He's not the type to use threads or external processes, nor does he do anything crazy enough to escape the GC.
I've recently written a web interface that's very much like Amazon, but it allows you to upload office (OpenOffice, Star, or MS) documents to be converted to PDF. I use ghostscript, the MS Office OLE automation libraries, OpenOffice's Juno interface, and a number of other things. I did all of this in the span of a couple weeks. Would I be able to do the same with J2EE?
As far as cross-platform goes, I realize that Portable.NET and Mono are yet immature, but I have high hopes for both of them. They are very active projects, and they have a lot of potential. I wouldn't just say that.NET ties you to the platform at the moment. If MS changes the API, there's nothing they can do to remove the Framework 1.0, 1.1, etc compatibility. If they broke that, then there will be a lot of devs that will be angry (including myself.)
Another point is the actual reason to upgrade. I believe the only people that should upgrade, or need to, are the developers that are looking for a better API to work with. The whole.NET thing that MS is pushing has strange issues with every version of Office, except XP. I managed to get Office 2000 to work, finally, after a lot of work and experimentation. Word 2000 is really old, the syntax for automation is PASCAL, whereas the syntax for Excel is BASIC. Anyone who wants to write something easily would therefore "update" their version of Office.
The StarOffice/OpenOffice API, OTOH, will always be there to use. OpenOffice is free. There's not much more that I could ask for.:-)
I would say that the most visible form of intelligence is the use of proper grammar. I've never had the occasion of consulting a dictionary for spelling, usually I look in a dictionary because I have encountered a word that is rather unique.
Those that make a hobby of reading will have the best grammar and spelling. It is also interesting to note that those who are well-read are also the most flexible minded, flexible meaning agile intelligence, not "Al Gore" flexibility.
When I encounter spelling errors, I am willing to overlook them. The moment I encounter grammatical errors, I skip to the next comment. Those who can not write coherently can not think coherently.
In order for you to listen to a CD in a rowboat in the middle of the Pacific, you require a device to play that media. Five years is a long time away, and maybe by then the mp3 handhelds will be fairly cheap. If this happens, then you can bet that you'll have a Rio or IPod in your hands instead of a scratchable CD.
In five years, it's also possible that the majority of the U.S. will be on Broadband. AOL is doing the transition thing, I'm sure that will be the tidal wave that breaks the barrier. Broadband is cheap, could be cheaper still, and more amusing than the fancy cable television packages. I don't see any reason to keep media around that is so fragile.
I say five years is a reasonable time length for the already years old flash handheld market to push CD's out. The only thing preventing this would be the RIAA and the federal gov't.
I highly doubt that there have been truly Christian governments. Anyone who practices "Conversion by swordpoint" is only a Christian in name. The individuals that do this are completely flawed in their sin, and no one can bring someone to faith except Christ.
Granted, the church has been led by many individuals that sought personal gain over everything else, those that put themselves above God in their mind. This is probably the result of the amount of power that they controlled, yet lacked the humility to give it up. People that kill in the name of Christianity are not acting like a Christian should, the Bible does not call for the killing of non-believers. There may be other religions that stress that non-believers should be murdered, but Christainity is not one of them.
Do not look poorly upon Christianity because of the sins of others, they cannot help themselves. We are all lost in sin, and everything that we do is steeped in it. Olaf could not have been a better Christian than any other Christian, because there is no weight given to those who have faith. We're all humans, originally doomed to die for our sin, saved out of complete love by Christ, and trying our best to live lives that please him, yet continuously failing. Olaf was one of them. I am one of them.
Do not base everything you know on Christianity by the labels that the Catholic Church gives. Do not base everything you know on the actions of sinners in the past. The only things you will ever completely know about the faith is what Christ tells us, either himself or through any of the other writers, in the Bible.
The point was that a true Christian government is supremely beneficial to everyone, by virtue that even those in power are humble. I haven't seen anything of this nature in any government (except maybe the leaders of the tribes of Israel). You haven't given any real evidence that a true Christian government has killed anyone, much less one actually existing. It's a pity that one hasn't, but I don't expect one to ever exist on Earth.
How amusing it is that an article about jobs moving overseas is posted by a guy named "514x0r?" It seems that the reason is given before the actual problem is stated...
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I'm not sure that you really understand the meaning of the word "Troll." Check here for a good definition of "Troll." The word came from "Trolling for n00bs," where people would purposely get something wrong in order to get all the new people to jump on them. A good troll is really quite amusing, and very difficult to pinpoint... such as this comment's parent's post, I would guess. ;-) Good trolls usually do not include Natalie Portman, Grits, or AYB. Those posts would generally be modded "Offtopic," which is a euphamism for "Useless."
What is interesting is that the grandparent thought they were posting a Troll by posting a valid thought held by many people. If there are no apps, then why would I buy the processor?
In answer to that question, I would propose the analogy: Would you wait until the flood hit to get sandbags? It's always good to have the sandbags on hand, they don't get in the way, nor do they cause you to live life in a different way. The Athlon64 is like that, a latent 64 bit platform that doesn't hurt to have, and even gives incredible performance gains in 32 bit apps.
Be truthful! The knife should attach it's own blade in the constructor. You'd call this a breadknife.
Java:
ASP
ASP.NET
There really isn't any advantage one way or the other, except that ASP sucks compared to both.
Given the referenced DBMS's, it is possible to do all of your logic coding in SQL using their own proprietary extensions. We have an AR system that is based on SQL Server that has all of the logic contained in Stored Procedures. There are some benefits to doing it this way, as well as some negatives.
Benefits:
Negatives:
The main point of the blog was a discussion of web based pages. It is interesting to note that he talks about the difficulty of students grasping enterprise Java concepts when they've only had one semester of Java programming. This semester was most likely an intro course. This is similar to letting a 12 year old drive a car, some will get it and drive fast, others will crash into a light post five feet away.
He also discusses the need for redeclarations of items in these pages, which is a design problem at worst. If his students planned properly, they'd use inheritance to take care of the common things connections and queries. There's no reason for common repitition.
The .Net environment is a bit more forgiving for beginners. Building pages is as easy as using a forms designer. This would explain his lack of complaint for that product. In most cases, however, I'd say that programming C# and programming Java are more similar than not.
As for scripting... I would tend to agree that they are better for hammering out applications quickly. The issue here is the decision to have an interpreted language versus a compiled language. I, for one, would rather have my html output code fully compiled, for the best use of the machine. It just makes more sense. :shrug:
With all this talk of Sun Chips, is anyone else hungry? I wonder if they'll produce a ranch version.
Star Office has Star BASIC, which handles all of the internal automation crap. Then there is Uno, which handles all of your external programming automation stuff.
Not to mention that postgresql is not native for Windows yet (slated for next year), and requires a commercial version that costs $$ or Cygwin. The Cygwin way of doing things limits performance by a factor of 2 or 3, which is BAD!
MySQL is different, but lacks a decent frontend by default. Adabas is the same, as I see it, but I wouldn't worry too much about it. The majority of accountants out there use Spreadsheets when they should be using databases, only the smart ones know the difference. Of all of the accounting spooks at this place, only one uses Access (and he's a consultant). Even though Star ships with Adabas, it's still a rather scary and foriegn thing.
You would have had a squiggly green line there if you were using Word.
I am no fan of Word, though. One time, for no apparent reason, it decided that the window would open 15 pixels to the right of the right side of the screen. This happened regardless of resolution, and I had to maximize the window in order to use the thing. Fixing it involved deleting some registry keys, which set it back to default.
I also hate the way you need to program with Word (2000), if you are using the OLE automation stuff. It is completely whacked, different from every other part of Office. I'd rather work with the Juno interface, which is available in Star and Open Office.
Then you just have the excuse to go for more than one. There are other methods too, including the big floppy and a small bit o' flash. ;-)
And in Illinois, people just lie about where the money is going. Just look at the old Governor, and how he managed to rope a couple million dollars to fund his neice's horse show.
There may not be legislative pork, but I'm pretty sure that Illinois lawmakers don't know half of what the money in a bill is going to be used for.
The point that my boss and his "consultant" come up with that opposes going to Linux is that "There are no training classes for Linux, but there are thousands of courses for Microsoft products." I really can't counter that, since they seem to think that a class that teaches you how to click a mouse button is important. I muttered "as if anyone really takes these courses and benefits." They chose to ignore me.
The point that my boss has against OO is that there isn't a nice booklet with a shiny cover that comes with it. Then again, you have to pay through the nose to the Microsoft press for a book on MS Office, but the aspect of having to print up the documentation is daunting.
Believe me. These are true reasons why people do not switch.
That is just plain wrong. You used to be able to notice the difference between 1600X1200 and 1024X768 easily. Now that AA is around, the difference has blurred somewhat.
I run all of my games at 1600X1200 if I can get at least decent performance. Everything scales for the screen, looking the same size as everything on 1024X768, only much smoother. Higher resolutions also will allow for higher amounts of detail, if care has been given in that direction. You've got more pixels to play with, so you could render 1,000 more leaves on that tree, or render more pock-marks into that wooden doorway.
The only reason why you would think that 1600X1200 makes everything small is because of the sore state of the desktop. This is getting fixed, As referenced here, with SVG. Now, we just have to have the window graphics and fonts done with SVG, and we would all be in high res heaven.
Don't forget the half-suicidal completely drugged up lithium dependant blue haired chicks!
"I fail to see why life is important at all. Here's some crappy poetry:"
At least if you find a good web-journal or blog, it's better to read that than surf through your buddy list, reading the away messages and profiles.
That's why you employ two or three of them remotely, without telling them about eachother. Any back doors that one of them puts in, the other will find, and vice versa. As long as they don't know about the other(s), you should be in the clear.
That's news to me. I didn't even know that America was a country. Did we have some massive politico changes since I've been hiding under my rock?
Ahh... at least that embargo is lifted so I can smoke some good cigars.
Every time I see this "Vow not to share files" or references to "Illegal P2P applications," I start wondering if the wording is such that the victim will not be able to share any files whatsoever, legally or public domain. I can see these huge corporations not really understanding the difference between serving copyrighted music and serving a distribution of GNU/Linux over KaZaa. I'm sure that they would like neither to take place.
If I could mod you up, I would. Just today, I attempted to rename the project namespace for a .NET application. It took me about two hours to get everything fixed, the namespace is tied to the directory, and therefore references get hidden in various non-class files. The hidden references may not be necessary to straight programming, notepad/editplus style, but when they are wrong, they break the debugger in VS.NET.
If VS.NET had a good way to rename classes and namespaces, it would be a Godsend. Sometimes, you just realize that you were stupid in naming a class what you did, and that it would be so much more clear if it had a different name. I've worked with Eclipse refactoring, and I remember the first time... my jaw dropped, and I was like "This is fucking awesome!"
Refactoring is an excellent tool that should not be ignored, and is definitely not replaced by code outlining/regions. Those, OTOH, are really good for getting an overview of your code, and instant grokking after not touching for 5 months.
Geesh. STFU about VB3 already. It's about as antiquated as your grandma's underwear. You've gone way off-topic as it is, talking about a language that isn't even offered in .NET, and has nothing to do with Java. Last time I checked, the subject was "Java vs. .NET," which somehow doesn't include VB3. What the heck is DevStudio anyway?
The only issue I have with VS.NET is that it lacks the SDI interface that I grew accustomed to in VB6 and Delphi. As it is, you can do everything with .NET that you can do with C, it just takes a few more CPU cycles. Anything done in COM can be used with at worst a marshal, while command-line things can be executed as separate processes at the drop of the hat. If there's something you need that is low-level, you are allowed to write what you need in an external program and execute it through .NET. This is something that you aren't really allowed to do with Java.
About the IDE being rock solid and all... I can't really say the same. I've got VS Studio.NET 2003 installed, and it occasionally hangs. A co-worker once left it on at night, and the next day he came in to find that it had sucked all of his RAM up. It might have been his fault, but I highly doubt it. He's not the type to use threads or external processes, nor does he do anything crazy enough to escape the GC.
I've recently written a web interface that's very much like Amazon, but it allows you to upload office (OpenOffice, Star, or MS) documents to be converted to PDF. I use ghostscript, the MS Office OLE automation libraries, OpenOffice's Juno interface, and a number of other things. I did all of this in the span of a couple weeks. Would I be able to do the same with J2EE?
As far as cross-platform goes, I realize that Portable.NET and Mono are yet immature, but I have high hopes for both of them. They are very active projects, and they have a lot of potential. I wouldn't just say that .NET ties you to the platform at the moment. If MS changes the API, there's nothing they can do to remove the Framework 1.0, 1.1, etc compatibility. If they broke that, then there will be a lot of devs that will be angry (including myself.)
OpenOffice and StarOffice both have a BASIC interpreter with VBA functionality. I believe the name they have given it is "StarBASIC."
It's all documented rather well right here. If you ever find the occasion to upgrade, I wouldn't recommend staying with MS.
Another point is the actual reason to upgrade. I believe the only people that should upgrade, or need to, are the developers that are looking for a better API to work with. The whole .NET thing that MS is pushing has strange issues with every version of Office, except XP. I managed to get Office 2000 to work, finally, after a lot of work and experimentation. Word 2000 is really old, the syntax for automation is PASCAL, whereas the syntax for Excel is BASIC. Anyone who wants to write something easily would therefore "update" their version of Office.
The StarOffice/OpenOffice API, OTOH, will always be there to use. OpenOffice is free. There's not much more that I could ask for. :-)
I would say that the most visible form of intelligence is the use of proper grammar. I've never had the occasion of consulting a dictionary for spelling, usually I look in a dictionary because I have encountered a word that is rather unique.
Those that make a hobby of reading will have the best grammar and spelling. It is also interesting to note that those who are well-read are also the most flexible minded, flexible meaning agile intelligence, not "Al Gore" flexibility.
When I encounter spelling errors, I am willing to overlook them. The moment I encounter grammatical errors, I skip to the next comment. Those who can not write coherently can not think coherently.
People... This is an excellent highly modded troll.
Simmer down already.
In order for you to listen to a CD in a rowboat in the middle of the Pacific, you require a device to play that media. Five years is a long time away, and maybe by then the mp3 handhelds will be fairly cheap. If this happens, then you can bet that you'll have a Rio or IPod in your hands instead of a scratchable CD.
In five years, it's also possible that the majority of the U.S. will be on Broadband. AOL is doing the transition thing, I'm sure that will be the tidal wave that breaks the barrier. Broadband is cheap, could be cheaper still, and more amusing than the fancy cable television packages. I don't see any reason to keep media around that is so fragile.
I say five years is a reasonable time length for the already years old flash handheld market to push CD's out. The only thing preventing this would be the RIAA and the federal gov't.
I highly doubt that there have been truly Christian governments. Anyone who practices "Conversion by swordpoint" is only a Christian in name. The individuals that do this are completely flawed in their sin, and no one can bring someone to faith except Christ.
Granted, the church has been led by many individuals that sought personal gain over everything else, those that put themselves above God in their mind. This is probably the result of the amount of power that they controlled, yet lacked the humility to give it up. People that kill in the name of Christianity are not acting like a Christian should, the Bible does not call for the killing of non-believers. There may be other religions that stress that non-believers should be murdered, but Christainity is not one of them.
Do not look poorly upon Christianity because of the sins of others, they cannot help themselves. We are all lost in sin, and everything that we do is steeped in it. Olaf could not have been a better Christian than any other Christian, because there is no weight given to those who have faith. We're all humans, originally doomed to die for our sin, saved out of complete love by Christ, and trying our best to live lives that please him, yet continuously failing. Olaf was one of them. I am one of them.
Do not base everything you know on Christianity by the labels that the Catholic Church gives. Do not base everything you know on the actions of sinners in the past. The only things you will ever completely know about the faith is what Christ tells us, either himself or through any of the other writers, in the Bible.
The point was that a true Christian government is supremely beneficial to everyone, by virtue that even those in power are humble. I haven't seen anything of this nature in any government (except maybe the leaders of the tribes of Israel). You haven't given any real evidence that a true Christian government has killed anyone, much less one actually existing. It's a pity that one hasn't, but I don't expect one to ever exist on Earth.
How amusing it is that an article about jobs moving overseas is posted by a guy named "514x0r?" It seems that the reason is given before the actual problem is stated...
I call #42. It's mine, I said it first!