Its how they think of them certainly, but usually the have the professionalism (or the fear of being fired) enough to at least FEIGN interest in the customer while dealing with them. Its just after you finish the call or email, you turn around and tell your co-worker what an idiot that customer was. To tell the customer himself that he is an idiot, a customer who is not being belligerent or violent, is absolutely unacceptable, even in this crazy day and age of so little customer service and human decency.
Its great, because this guy is getting MASSIVELY screwed right now. I would feel bad for the guy, except that he's a gigantic asshole, and isn't even sincerely apologetic.
Even then though, I start to feel like maybe this all just got out of hand...
Then you read the part where Ocean Marketing's website was DIRECTLY PLAGIARIZED from websites like forbes.com.
Thats it, no more excuses. This man is A CON ARTIST. He has been running a SCAM. He has this coming 100%
so your next argument about me being anti-Apple will also fall on its arse.
Please stop this sort of straw-man nonsense. Comments like these are filling up the forums with stupidity.
Never said anything of the sort, and wasn't going to. And you don't need to "help" my argument either, and you know that damn well, you're just trying to make me look bad with an obviously wrong argument. Logic 101, avoid fallacies.
John Nevil Maskelyne (of the pay toilet) was Nevil Maskelyne (the man in the article) 's father. Not sure if you knew this or not, but it might be ambiguous or confusing to others.
that doesn't make the iPad a better device than my netbook.
You're still missing the point. You can't compare apples and oranges and say one is objectively better than the other. It is your opinion, it is based on which features you value (extensiblility, freedom, control, power, cost). If you valued other features (touchscreen, very low weight, low size, controlled minimal OS so noobs can't screw it up) then you would think the iPad is better. I don't know why you're having so much trouble with this.
If people want tablets that's completely up to them
Yes, it is.
and I'm pleased for them that they're happy with something that doesn't work as well as a device that costs half as much.
Apparently you don't understand economics at all. Often times it is worth paying more to get additional features, even if those features are minuscule, if they are necessary to the function you need to use the tool for.
However if anyone asked me if it was worth buying an iPad I would give them the advantages and disadvantages of it over a netbook, recommend the netbook as being more useful to them and let them make their own mind up about it.
BINGO. Why it took you so long to get here I do not understand. After all the "I don't understand why anybody would want one of these" and "these aren't better than laptops period" and "you idiots are only buying iPads because you like the shiny apple" you've finally arrived at the right answer:
To each his own.
You're free to inform others of your perceived advantages / disadvantages. But you need to be willing to recognize that what is a disadvantage to you might actually be an advantage to somebody else.
Everything you just said applies to laptops in the face of desktops. And again, I believe my point makes sense. An iPad is even more portable and lightweight than a laptop.
However don't try to tell me that a 400 quid iPad 2 is better than my 200 quid Aspire One because it most certainly isn't.
Once again, this is one-size-fits-all thinking. What about the mom that wants to carry around a computer, but doesn't want to actually CARRY around a computer, and an iPad fits in her purse where a laptop doesn't. Are you really that limited to your own experience?
Yes, for most power users like yourself you'd prefer a laptop over a tablet.
Surprise: MOST PEOPLE AREN'T POWER USERS.:O!!!! WHAT?!??!?!!
Yes, but as a human gets more skilled and capable, he wants more pay. You simply cannot pay CEO salary to all your manufacturers and laborers, its basic economy. So if you can't offer them more money, and these "skilled" people have the option to work in an office or work hard labor in your factory, which are they going to pick? Human motivation seeks to minimize physical labor. In the long run, it WILL be replaced by robotics entirely. We just still have a ways to go.
Do laptops have legitimate use? A laptop is a portable, less heavy computer which by its form factor nature is more restricted (you can't swap out the mobo for alternatives, you can't put in your own video card, etc.)
Is that acceptable?
Then why the hell do you have a problem with a tablet? It is just a slightly smaller, much lighter, laptop with an even smaller form factor and is even more restricted to hardware and software.
Imagine a gradient. At 0% is COMPUTER, and at 100% is TABLET. At 50% is LAPTOP. People want different things along this spectrum. One-size-fits-all is just small-minded thinking. Not everybody lives EXACTLY the life you do. In fact, NOBODY lives exactly the life you do; by definition we are different. It is a tautology.
Yeah. A long time back I worked at a Best Buy, and it blew my mind to see the inside numbers. Profits on selling a brand new top of the line computer, with a monitor and a printer and everything was just a few bucks. Everybody is competing for cheap computers, so the profit margin is very thin. They buy it for $400, so they have to sell it for $415 or you just go somewhere else. To try to make up the cost of employees and shipping and everything, they charge gigantic margins on other products: mostly cables, printer ink, other cheap accessories. It was almost sickening to find out we only paid about.50 cents for those $12 cables. (not to say anything of the ridiculous MONSTER cables which can be $90 or more). But that is the market.
Bingo. Everybody always looks for things to blame as excuses (violent movies, videogames, technology, the internet) when in reality those responsible are the ones failing (teachers, parents). Children NEED a certain amount of attention. You cannot teach without spending time. You cannot teach your child without taking the time to be aware of his/her life. Parents often neglect children in this country, and Teachers are underpaid and often underskilled, or even if they're a good teacher, they have a classroom of 40 students to take care of, so they're too busy wrangling the problem children to focus on actually helping make a difference.
I had a laptop in elementary school (early 90s, it was a pilot program). I played games on it, but I also learned a great deal using it.
I had a graphing calculator in high school. I put zelda and wolfenstein on it and played them in math class all the time when I got bored. It wasn't that I was a bad student, actually I was usually a chapter or two ahead of my calculus class. The graphing calculator wasn't distracting me; its that the class was just simply boring. I wasn't slacking off, but one size fits all teaching required the teacher to move slowly along with the slowest of the class, and I wasn't allowed to press on ahead. So I was forced to sit in a room doing nothing going over things I had a very good understanding of already.
Stop freaking out and stop blaming children, they're children. Stop scapegoating technology, we'll always have more and more technology, get used to it.
Children are complicated. Learning is complicated. Any attempt at a quick-fix is going to have unforseen consequences.
That said, technology in of itself won't do everything either. It isn't the problem or the solution, it is merely a tool to be used.
What are you trying to say? It is a handbag, or it wouldn't be a knockoff. You think somebody crafted a vuitton bag to look just like a vuitton bag just for the movie? No, they have a budget for props, and they go out and buy things. Yes, its purpose is as a prop; but where do you think props come from? What is the difference? If it was "just a prop" they wouldn't have used the logo, or they would have gotten it right. Using a knockoff is only a possibility because they just buy a handbag and put it on the set.
Since slavery and torture are wrong, clearly we must NEVER do anything the romans or greeks did. No more irrigation! No more plumbing! No more republics! No more inclined planes, screws, or all the other things that form the basis or all modern technology and science and medicine...
No, No, None of that! Those greeks were ALL WRONG.
'As we look at all of the new ways we tell our consumer stories,' explained Microsoft's Frank Shaw, 'it feels like the right time to make this transition.'"
New ways they tell consumer stories?! Golly that is some grade-A PR bullshit right there.
True, but good luck getting support for it then. By making it so that only non-commercial, DIYers can do it, they've effectively ended the market there. For purposes of monopolistic practice, OS X is not a viable alternative to Windows. (Although I guess a bigger problem there is the software compatibility more than the availability of tech support.)
Its called the Ad Hominem Fallacy, named in Latin because the GREEKS recognized it was a fallacy. Sadly, the modern world has completely abandoned things like logic, reason or rational discourse. Instead we teach people to follow your emotions and yell and kick and scream and get what you want and don't bother to understand other people because they're just different and wrong.
To quote Isaac Asimov, “Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
Until people stop making basic fallacious arguments, we're not going to get ANYWHERE. Politics is just a shell-game, a gigantic circle-jerk of bullshit to convince people and stroke their egos while in reality making shit up.
Since that would require you to rethink your stupid position, I can't wait for the hidden conspiracy you will need to come up with to back you incorrect accusations.
You know, I'm not even going to say anything. I'm just going to quote that brilliant line right there.
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Its how they think of them certainly, but usually the have the professionalism (or the fear of being fired) enough to at least FEIGN interest in the customer while dealing with them. Its just after you finish the call or email, you turn around and tell your co-worker what an idiot that customer was. To tell the customer himself that he is an idiot, a customer who is not being belligerent or violent, is absolutely unacceptable, even in this crazy day and age of so little customer service and human decency.
Your stubbornness and small-mindedness is staggering :(
I tried.
Its great, because this guy is getting MASSIVELY screwed right now. I would feel bad for the guy, except that he's a gigantic asshole, and isn't even sincerely apologetic.
Even then though, I start to feel like maybe this all just got out of hand...
Then you read the part where Ocean Marketing's website was DIRECTLY PLAGIARIZED from websites like forbes.com.
Thats it, no more excuses. This man is A CON ARTIST. He has been running a SCAM. He has this coming 100%
Oh, the lulz.
No, we just need to regulate government and SOPA away...
so your next argument about me being anti-Apple will also fall on its arse.
Please stop this sort of straw-man nonsense. Comments like these are filling up the forums with stupidity.
Never said anything of the sort, and wasn't going to. And you don't need to "help" my argument either, and you know that damn well, you're just trying to make me look bad with an obviously wrong argument. Logic 101, avoid fallacies.
You need to realize that the word "Better" as you define it is "my opinion". There's nothing objective about it.
John Nevil Maskelyne (of the pay toilet) was Nevil Maskelyne (the man in the article) 's father. Not sure if you knew this or not, but it might be ambiguous or confusing to others.
that doesn't make the iPad a better device than my netbook.
You're still missing the point. You can't compare apples and oranges and say one is objectively better than the other. It is your opinion, it is based on which features you value (extensiblility, freedom, control, power, cost). If you valued other features (touchscreen, very low weight, low size, controlled minimal OS so noobs can't screw it up) then you would think the iPad is better. I don't know why you're having so much trouble with this.
If people want tablets that's completely up to them
Yes, it is.
and I'm pleased for them that they're happy with something that doesn't work as well as a device that costs half as much.
Apparently you don't understand economics at all. Often times it is worth paying more to get additional features, even if those features are minuscule, if they are necessary to the function you need to use the tool for.
However if anyone asked me if it was worth buying an iPad I would give them the advantages and disadvantages of it over a netbook, recommend the netbook as being more useful to them and let them make their own mind up about it.
BINGO. Why it took you so long to get here I do not understand. After all the "I don't understand why anybody would want one of these" and "these aren't better than laptops period" and "you idiots are only buying iPads because you like the shiny apple" you've finally arrived at the right answer:
To each his own.
You're free to inform others of your perceived advantages / disadvantages. But you need to be willing to recognize that what is a disadvantage to you might actually be an advantage to somebody else.
What if you prefer a touch interface to a mouse and keyboard, or a nipple and keyboard?
Hm.
However don't try to tell me that a 400 quid iPad 2 is better than my 200 quid Aspire One because it most certainly isn't.
Once again, this is one-size-fits-all thinking. What about the mom that wants to carry around a computer, but doesn't want to actually CARRY around a computer, and an iPad fits in her purse where a laptop doesn't. Are you really that limited to your own experience?
:O!!!! WHAT?!??!?!!
Yes, for most power users like yourself you'd prefer a laptop over a tablet.
Surprise: MOST PEOPLE AREN'T POWER USERS.
Yes, but as a human gets more skilled and capable, he wants more pay. You simply cannot pay CEO salary to all your manufacturers and laborers, its basic economy. So if you can't offer them more money, and these "skilled" people have the option to work in an office or work hard labor in your factory, which are they going to pick? Human motivation seeks to minimize physical labor. In the long run, it WILL be replaced by robotics entirely. We just still have a ways to go.
Do laptops have legitimate use? A laptop is a portable, less heavy computer which by its form factor nature is more restricted (you can't swap out the mobo for alternatives, you can't put in your own video card, etc.)
Is that acceptable?
Then why the hell do you have a problem with a tablet? It is just a slightly smaller, much lighter, laptop with an even smaller form factor and is even more restricted to hardware and software.
Imagine a gradient. At 0% is COMPUTER, and at 100% is TABLET. At 50% is LAPTOP. People want different things along this spectrum. One-size-fits-all is just small-minded thinking. Not everybody lives EXACTLY the life you do. In fact, NOBODY lives exactly the life you do; by definition we are different. It is a tautology.
Yeah. A long time back I worked at a Best Buy, and it blew my mind to see the inside numbers. Profits on selling a brand new top of the line computer, with a monitor and a printer and everything was just a few bucks. Everybody is competing for cheap computers, so the profit margin is very thin. They buy it for $400, so they have to sell it for $415 or you just go somewhere else. To try to make up the cost of employees and shipping and everything, they charge gigantic margins on other products: mostly cables, printer ink, other cheap accessories. It was almost sickening to find out we only paid about .50 cents for those $12 cables. (not to say anything of the ridiculous MONSTER cables which can be $90 or more). But that is the market.
RTFA. The 2% is indeed profit, and comes after the amount allotted for manufacturing wages.
Bingo. Everybody always looks for things to blame as excuses (violent movies, videogames, technology, the internet) when in reality those responsible are the ones failing (teachers, parents). Children NEED a certain amount of attention. You cannot teach without spending time. You cannot teach your child without taking the time to be aware of his/her life. Parents often neglect children in this country, and Teachers are underpaid and often underskilled, or even if they're a good teacher, they have a classroom of 40 students to take care of, so they're too busy wrangling the problem children to focus on actually helping make a difference.
I had a laptop in elementary school (early 90s, it was a pilot program). I played games on it, but I also learned a great deal using it.
I had a graphing calculator in high school. I put zelda and wolfenstein on it and played them in math class all the time when I got bored. It wasn't that I was a bad student, actually I was usually a chapter or two ahead of my calculus class. The graphing calculator wasn't distracting me; its that the class was just simply boring. I wasn't slacking off, but one size fits all teaching required the teacher to move slowly along with the slowest of the class, and I wasn't allowed to press on ahead. So I was forced to sit in a room doing nothing going over things I had a very good understanding of already.
Stop freaking out and stop blaming children, they're children. Stop scapegoating technology, we'll always have more and more technology, get used to it.
Children are complicated. Learning is complicated. Any attempt at a quick-fix is going to have unforseen consequences.
That said, technology in of itself won't do everything either. It isn't the problem or the solution, it is merely a tool to be used.
What are you trying to say? It is a handbag, or it wouldn't be a knockoff. You think somebody crafted a vuitton bag to look just like a vuitton bag just for the movie? No, they have a budget for props, and they go out and buy things. Yes, its purpose is as a prop; but where do you think props come from? What is the difference? If it was "just a prop" they wouldn't have used the logo, or they would have gotten it right. Using a knockoff is only a possibility because they just buy a handbag and put it on the set.
Since slavery and torture are wrong, clearly we must NEVER do anything the romans or greeks did. No more irrigation! No more plumbing! No more republics! No more inclined planes, screws, or all the other things that form the basis or all modern technology and science and medicine...
No, No, None of that! Those greeks were ALL WRONG.
Its called the Ad Hominem Fallacy, named in Latin because the GREEKS recognized it was a fallacy.
Pfft, the Greeks and Romans practiced slavery and torture, so their arguments about the debating lofty ethical ideas are invalid.
Yay, moral relativism AND another ad hominem!
'As we look at all of the new ways we tell our consumer stories,' explained Microsoft's Frank Shaw, 'it feels like the right time to make this transition.'"
New ways they tell consumer stories?! Golly that is some grade-A PR bullshit right there.
True, but good luck getting support for it then. By making it so that only non-commercial, DIYers can do it, they've effectively ended the market there. For purposes of monopolistic practice, OS X is not a viable alternative to Windows. (Although I guess a bigger problem there is the software compatibility more than the availability of tech support.)
You must attack the argument, NOT the person.
Its called the Ad Hominem Fallacy, named in Latin because the GREEKS recognized it was a fallacy. Sadly, the modern world has completely abandoned things like logic, reason or rational discourse. Instead we teach people to follow your emotions and yell and kick and scream and get what you want and don't bother to understand other people because they're just different and wrong.
To quote Isaac Asimov, “Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
Until people stop making basic fallacious arguments, we're not going to get ANYWHERE. Politics is just a shell-game, a gigantic circle-jerk of bullshit to convince people and stroke their egos while in reality making shit up.
Federal tax rates 55' - 07'
The problem is not that taxes are too high OR too low, its that they're too high for the low earners, and too low for the high earners.
The real message is "You're not donating enough money to our campaigns, fix that or we'll destroy your business.
Yup, pretty much this.
I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
/. now. Fucking government...
Damn, that's getting linked daily on
I hate to sound like such an obvious conspiracy theorist, but it really does feel like the government hates our freedom and wants only to erode it.
Since that would require you to rethink your stupid position, I can't wait for the hidden conspiracy you will need to come up with to back you incorrect accusations.
You know, I'm not even going to say anything. I'm just going to quote that brilliant line right there.