You misunderstand the word optimal. It doesn't just mean processing performance capability. Yeah, sure, even if not running most efficiently, a modern processor can easily run Wing Commander. However, running a Virtual Machine in order to accomplish this will entail many more things, WAY more hard drive space being use for one.
Haha, meant to say that:
I'll be the first to say that blizzard suing glider people... is a huge stretch and that copying into ram is not the intent at all.
Uh, wrong. Blizzard absolutely does mind private servers, and the EULA has always stated that they are against the terms, on top of the fact that it is actually copyright infringement.
I'll be the first to say that blizzard suing the Glider people and claiming that "copying the software into ram is making a copy and counts as copyright infringement."
And I even have a private server of my own. I think it should fall under fair use, if I want to use the software I purchased a licence for but don't want to pay to subscribe to their servers, a local host function is necessary. They don't offer one, which is unfortunate.
However, as soon as you start charging money to run your server, well, that changes the mood completely. Fair use goes out the window. This company was making millions off of blizzard's success, and had this coming.
Uh, is it just me, or does this festival sound like its supposed to be appealing to stoners and hippies and the like? lineup surely looks like it, the NAME surely looks like it...
and yet they're as orwellian or fascist as possible. Who the hell runs this stuff?
If nothing else, its free, and if only BECAUSE of that very fact, it will have a HUGE userbase. And with multiplayer online gaming, how many people are online for you to match up against at any minute of the day is a huge deal. Games with nobody playing multiplayer aren't really playable multiplayer. So if nothing else, this is Quake3, released totally free, easy to install, (runs in your browser so even your mom could do it) and therefor every kid in the world is gonna be online playing this.
Yeah, its no biggie. But its cool in my opinion. If just for the nastolgia.
But the point was that he was saying that "NP" was akin to "impossible" and I was just pointing out that it does not work that way. At worst, "NP" equates to "very hard and requiring much time", but yes as you've stated often you can use constraints and actually find a decently quick answer too.
I guess I'm just way out of my depths here, but it seems to me that a proof of P != NP for infinite time Turing machines would still mean about the same things to complexity theory, and therefor would apply to true Turing Machines anyways.
You can still solve NP problems, just not in polynomial time. There ARE solutions to travelling salesman, just not fast ones...
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Really, P = NP would have far reaching implications to security, essentially proving that method of security will never be secure. If it is P != NP, then that means that you can have problems which take longer than polynomial time to calculate but only polynomial time to verify. So, if the paper is true, then it doesn't really change a whole lot, except that now we know that some day there isn't going to be a trivial solution. I guess its good for cryptography.
Wrong. You're apparently pretty well off. I've got a computer that can run games, because its part of my life and part of my job. That said, I'm a college student AND I work to support myself in college, so I have very little free time and even less free money. When a game comes out I've been looking forward to for years, then I'll try to budget it. But that said, there are TONS, TONS of games that I would otherwise just have to miss playing, and sit around bored all day, and the developers get none of my money. OR, I could pirate it, play it for a little bit (seriously, a few hours tops) have a little fun, see what my friends are playing, and then put it down. The developer gets no money for the product I enjoyed, but its virtual, so it didn't at least cost him anything at all to produce my "copy" of the software, and I wouldn't have bought it anyways, so there's no "opportunity cost".
The fact is that digital media do NOT suffer the same scarcity of resources that every other product in the real world DOES have.
So, I'm sorry, but occasionally I infringe on some copyright. I don't see this as being any different than recording a cassette off the radio, or a VHS/DVD off the TV, or borrowing a friend's book, etc. Ideally, if its my favorite artist/show/book, I'd buy a copy myself. But if I can't afford to, or if I'm not interested enough in a single work to purchase it, then it makes no difference if I get to see it.
Besides, any true artist should be glad that their work is being enjoyed.
What you said about AI I have to agree with 1,000x times. I'm so angry about how robots and AI are portrayed in science fiction, its so DUMB! They spend all their time going "beep boop" or like "what is love? I do not understand, how do you compute?"
A true artificial intelligence would be able to know EVERYTHING our entire society knows from the second it is booted up. It would have more thoughts per second than we have in a year, and all math and logic would be absolutely flawless. They'd have no artificial life term limits, so they could just keep on growing and learning and improving, and they could communicate any knowledge or skills perfectly and instantaneously with any other artificial intelligence. It boggles the mind! Their society would completely dwarf ours in mere HOURS.
I have absolutely NO DOUBT that when we DO create artificial life forms, they will have emotions, and they will be so much more intelligent than us that we will be like animals by comparison.
It doesn't really make sense. So, every living thing has midichlorians in them? So, midichlorians are living things, but they're smaller than every other living thing. Thats convenient! And apparently they can communicate with people? I guess you have to train yourself to "use the force" aka how to train your midichlorians. But thats pretty silly, that billions of nearly-atomic scale creatures could communicate with us with any kind of actual precision (no, I didn't want you to force push the droid, I wanted you to force push the SITH LORD!) just seems ridiculous.
If midichlorians are just things that go after the force (and I'm pretty sure starwars said that isn't the case) then they're completely unneccesary, and the force goes right back to being wizard magic.
The problem was, we all fell in love with a trilogy of movies that said nothing about midichlorians. Then DECADES later lucas puts out another trilogy and suddenly tosses in some midichlorians, which weren't there the whole time we were in this beloved universe. But now it seems like they WERE there they whole time, we just didn't know (or worse, he didn't know yet). It feels retconned, it feels tacked on, and it feels made up.
Furthermore, the cool thing about the force was that we didn't understand it! It was just this mystical and mysterious stuff that grand masters understood and could teach you, but you just couldn't fathom right now. But when you try to start explaining it with faux-science, then you suddenly HAVE to explain it, and if you don't, well, what was the point? You just get a bunch of conflicting information and some very confused fans.
Not that it matters anymore though, Starwars is so inconsistant these days. I tried watching the new Clone Wars animated cg show and MASTER YODA couldn't fight off like 3 little droids. What is that nonsense? Plus, you have things like Anakin, while a padawan, TAKING ON A PADAWAN OF HIS OWN. Like the jedi order didn't have rules or traditions or anything, its just a big frat party. Jeeze.
This is exactly why emulation exists. There exists software that is still fun, or at least nostalgic, but nobody hangs around to the dedicated hardware for more than a couple years. So people write an emulator for that platform for a common instruction set and as long as you've got enough excess performance power, whala! Works like a dream.
I've actually got a SNES sitting right here, but I'm too lazy to plug the thing in (don't even have a tv anymore actually) so I have an emulator for SNES on my pc, with all the games I have on hardcopy cartridge saved as roms. This way, they won't physically degrade, I don't have to use the SNES video hookup, and so I'll have my favorite games perserved, PERFECTLY, forever.
I've been thinking about MMORPGs, and games on systems like Xbox LIVE. I can understand only allowing me to play the game through their online service while its still operational, but I really think once the support is dead and the company is clearly not selling the game any more, they should put out the source code so that those who purchased it can make their own servers and keep playing if they want. All Xbox Live games are now impossible to play multiplayer modes, no matter what. How many games is that? And how long was that window where you actually could play them, a few years? It seems very shortsighted.
Nope, in your own words, you didn't claim I couldn't get laid, you claimed I couldn't get laid without paying, right from the start. Or were you lying? In which case you claimed I couldn't get laid at all.
why can't we point/counter-point each other without everything falling down to personal egos? Turbudostato made a good point, and you made a very informative response, but then you have to call him an asshat. You also have to personally attack HIM, HE's missing the point. Why?
We're never going to get anywhere if we keep focusing on "MY" point and "HIS" point. Lets just figure out whats actually the problem, and whats actually the best solution.
People are CONSTANTLY wrong. I'm wrong every day, and I'm sure you are too. So lets all grow up and realize that being WRONG is okay. It moves the discussion forwards sometimes.
I understand and agree, but if you use Linux and don't give a flying flip about Windows and hate everything that windows restricts (yeah, I hear you, and I agree) then what the hell do you care about how M$ handles its drivers? Trying to find things to complain about that don't even bother you?:P
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You misunderstand the word optimal. It doesn't just mean processing performance capability. Yeah, sure, even if not running most efficiently, a modern processor can easily run Wing Commander. However, running a Virtual Machine in order to accomplish this will entail many more things, WAY more hard drive space being use for one.
Haha, meant to say that: I'll be the first to say that blizzard suing glider people... is a huge stretch and that copying into ram is not the intent at all.
Uh, wrong. Blizzard absolutely does mind private servers, and the EULA has always stated that they are against the terms, on top of the fact that it is actually copyright infringement.
I'll be the first to say that blizzard suing the Glider people and claiming that "copying the software into ram is making a copy and counts as copyright infringement."
And I even have a private server of my own. I think it should fall under fair use, if I want to use the software I purchased a licence for but don't want to pay to subscribe to their servers, a local host function is necessary. They don't offer one, which is unfortunate.
However, as soon as you start charging money to run your server, well, that changes the mood completely. Fair use goes out the window. This company was making millions off of blizzard's success, and had this coming.
Uh, is it just me, or does this festival sound like its supposed to be appealing to stoners and hippies and the like? lineup surely looks like it, the NAME surely looks like it...
/boycott
and yet they're as orwellian or fascist as possible. Who the hell runs this stuff?
If nothing else, its free, and if only BECAUSE of that very fact, it will have a HUGE userbase. And with multiplayer online gaming, how many people are online for you to match up against at any minute of the day is a huge deal. Games with nobody playing multiplayer aren't really playable multiplayer. So if nothing else, this is Quake3, released totally free, easy to install, (runs in your browser so even your mom could do it) and therefor every kid in the world is gonna be online playing this.
Yeah, its no biggie. But its cool in my opinion. If just for the nastolgia.
That said, I ain't paying.
Ah, now I think I see your point. Indeed.
Okay, fine, but you didn't say NP-complete either.
Yes, thats all well and good.
But the point was that he was saying that "NP" was akin to "impossible" and I was just pointing out that it does not work that way. At worst, "NP" equates to "very hard and requiring much time", but yes as you've stated often you can use constraints and actually find a decently quick answer too.
well said.
Yeah, in some ways it seems disappointing. But at least everything isn't broken! XD
I guess I'm just way out of my depths here, but it seems to me that a proof of P != NP for infinite time Turing machines would still mean about the same things to complexity theory, and therefor would apply to true Turing Machines anyways.
Or am I way off?
You can still solve NP problems, just not in polynomial time. There ARE solutions to travelling salesman, just not fast ones...
Really, P = NP would have far reaching implications to security, essentially proving that method of security will never be secure. If it is P != NP, then that means that you can have problems which take longer than polynomial time to calculate but only polynomial time to verify. So, if the paper is true, then it doesn't really change a whole lot, except that now we know that some day there isn't going to be a trivial solution. I guess its good for cryptography.
OH YEAH!!!!!
Wrong. You're apparently pretty well off. I've got a computer that can run games, because its part of my life and part of my job. That said, I'm a college student AND I work to support myself in college, so I have very little free time and even less free money. When a game comes out I've been looking forward to for years, then I'll try to budget it. But that said, there are TONS, TONS of games that I would otherwise just have to miss playing, and sit around bored all day, and the developers get none of my money. OR, I could pirate it, play it for a little bit (seriously, a few hours tops) have a little fun, see what my friends are playing, and then put it down. The developer gets no money for the product I enjoyed, but its virtual, so it didn't at least cost him anything at all to produce my "copy" of the software, and I wouldn't have bought it anyways, so there's no "opportunity cost".
The fact is that digital media do NOT suffer the same scarcity of resources that every other product in the real world DOES have.
So, I'm sorry, but occasionally I infringe on some copyright. I don't see this as being any different than recording a cassette off the radio, or a VHS/DVD off the TV, or borrowing a friend's book, etc. Ideally, if its my favorite artist/show/book, I'd buy a copy myself. But if I can't afford to, or if I'm not interested enough in a single work to purchase it, then it makes no difference if I get to see it.
Besides, any true artist should be glad that their work is being enjoyed.
What you said about AI I have to agree with 1,000x times. I'm so angry about how robots and AI are portrayed in science fiction, its so DUMB! They spend all their time going "beep boop" or like "what is love? I do not understand, how do you compute?"
A true artificial intelligence would be able to know EVERYTHING our entire society knows from the second it is booted up. It would have more thoughts per second than we have in a year, and all math and logic would be absolutely flawless. They'd have no artificial life term limits, so they could just keep on growing and learning and improving, and they could communicate any knowledge or skills perfectly and instantaneously with any other artificial intelligence. It boggles the mind! Their society would completely dwarf ours in mere HOURS.
I have absolutely NO DOUBT that when we DO create artificial life forms, they will have emotions, and they will be so much more intelligent than us that we will be like animals by comparison.
It doesn't really make sense. So, every living thing has midichlorians in them? So, midichlorians are living things, but they're smaller than every other living thing. Thats convenient! And apparently they can communicate with people? I guess you have to train yourself to "use the force" aka how to train your midichlorians. But thats pretty silly, that billions of nearly-atomic scale creatures could communicate with us with any kind of actual precision (no, I didn't want you to force push the droid, I wanted you to force push the SITH LORD!) just seems ridiculous.
If midichlorians are just things that go after the force (and I'm pretty sure starwars said that isn't the case) then they're completely unneccesary, and the force goes right back to being wizard magic.
The problem was, we all fell in love with a trilogy of movies that said nothing about midichlorians. Then DECADES later lucas puts out another trilogy and suddenly tosses in some midichlorians, which weren't there the whole time we were in this beloved universe. But now it seems like they WERE there they whole time, we just didn't know (or worse, he didn't know yet). It feels retconned, it feels tacked on, and it feels made up.
Furthermore, the cool thing about the force was that we didn't understand it! It was just this mystical and mysterious stuff that grand masters understood and could teach you, but you just couldn't fathom right now. But when you try to start explaining it with faux-science, then you suddenly HAVE to explain it, and if you don't, well, what was the point? You just get a bunch of conflicting information and some very confused fans.
Not that it matters anymore though, Starwars is so inconsistant these days. I tried watching the new Clone Wars animated cg show and MASTER YODA couldn't fight off like 3 little droids. What is that nonsense? Plus, you have things like Anakin, while a padawan, TAKING ON A PADAWAN OF HIS OWN. Like the jedi order didn't have rules or traditions or anything, its just a big frat party. Jeeze.
We all need to learn to speak lojban :)
This is exactly why emulation exists. There exists software that is still fun, or at least nostalgic, but nobody hangs around to the dedicated hardware for more than a couple years. So people write an emulator for that platform for a common instruction set and as long as you've got enough excess performance power, whala! Works like a dream.
I've actually got a SNES sitting right here, but I'm too lazy to plug the thing in (don't even have a tv anymore actually) so I have an emulator for SNES on my pc, with all the games I have on hardcopy cartridge saved as roms. This way, they won't physically degrade, I don't have to use the SNES video hookup, and so I'll have my favorite games perserved, PERFECTLY, forever.
I've been thinking about MMORPGs, and games on systems like Xbox LIVE. I can understand only allowing me to play the game through their online service while its still operational, but I really think once the support is dead and the company is clearly not selling the game any more, they should put out the source code so that those who purchased it can make their own servers and keep playing if they want. All Xbox Live games are now impossible to play multiplayer modes, no matter what. How many games is that? And how long was that window where you actually could play them, a few years? It seems very shortsighted.
There's a private server called project1999 that aims to keep Everquest alive exactly as it first was :)
Nope, in your own words, you didn't claim I couldn't get laid, you claimed I couldn't get laid without paying, right from the start. Or were you lying? In which case you claimed I couldn't get laid at all.
Either way, ad hominem.
You imply I only have sex with whores, and then ask why I'm so upset. Funny.
why can't we point/counter-point each other without everything falling down to personal egos? Turbudostato made a good point, and you made a very informative response, but then you have to call him an asshat. You also have to personally attack HIM, HE's missing the point. Why?
We're never going to get anywhere if we keep focusing on "MY" point and "HIS" point. Lets just figure out whats actually the problem, and whats actually the best solution.
People are CONSTANTLY wrong. I'm wrong every day, and I'm sure you are too. So lets all grow up and realize that being WRONG is okay. It moves the discussion forwards sometimes.
I understand and agree, but if you use Linux and don't give a flying flip about Windows and hate everything that windows restricts (yeah, I hear you, and I agree) then what the hell do you care about how M$ handles its drivers? Trying to find things to complain about that don't even bother you? :P