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Believing You Are Very Good Or Evil Boosts Your Physical Capabilities

Research by Kurt Gray, a doctoral student in psychology at Harvard, shows that a person's capacity for willpower and physical endurance increases if they perceive themselves as good or evil. "Evil" acts in particular give a person a large boost in physical strength. From the article: “'People perceive those who do good and evil to have more efficacy, more willpower, and less sensitivity to discomfort,' Gray said. 'By perceiving themselves as good or evil, people embody these perceptions, actually becoming more capable of physical endurance.' Gray’s findings run counter to the notion that only those blessed with heightened willpower or self-control are capable of heroism, suggesting instead that simply attempting heroic deeds can confer personal power."

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  1. Midichlorian testing to come soon by Drakkenmensch · · Score: 3, Funny

    The force is strong in this one.

    1. Re:Midichlorian testing to come soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah.. yeah.. but what side is stronger

    2. Re:Midichlorian testing to come soon by commodore64_love · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I really hate that scene. Lucas dropped that line to try to move the "force" from being Fantasy Fiction magic (and quell complaints that Star Wars is not science fiction). But it still doesn't explain what "the force" is supposed to be. Are the midichlorians a bunch of tiny wizards ala Harry Potter casing "force" spells everywhere? It's still just nonsense.

      This is why I hate Fantasy that tries itself off as "a possible future" science fiction reality. No. No. No. I'm sorry but there will never be magic in our universe..... maybe in some neighboring universe, but not in ours

      For more info, I recommend this excellent video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDNrnpefGio

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    3. Re:Midichlorian testing to come soon by Cicada7 · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Any significantly advanced technology..", yadda yadda, you all know the quote.

      To anyone living prior to the 1900's, television, the internet, cell phones.. they'd all be magic. You could certainly try to explain the technology away, but likely the explination would also be significantly advanced enough to be percieved as magic. Electron tunneling whoosawhatsits? I just wants my fancy movin' picture porn to come on over the tubes and light up my screen!

    4. Re:Midichlorian testing to come soon by thesandtiger · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Midichlorians may simply be organisms that are capable of exerting heretofore unknown forces in the universe or modifying the interactions of currently known forces (suppressing, increasing, reversing them, whatever). Plants, for example, seem to use quantum entanglement as a part of photosynthesis, according to some recent news stories I've read - why couldn't there be other organisms out there that take advantage of other quirks of physics?

      Or maybe they're organisms that have evolved that feed on force energy, and their presence in someone's body isn't giving them the force, but simply a way of getting an idea of whether or not they're strong with it. For example, white blood cell counts are used as a way of inferring whether or not someone has an infection. I think this is a more probable explanation, as, given the fact that Vader lost both arms and legs and was *still* phenomenally powerful, the midichlorians in his arms and legs were probably not contributing to his power.

      Personally, I don't think the force needed to be explained, but I don't think that the explanation they gave was as much bullshit as people seem to think.

      I'm with you, though, in that I think stories that try to explain why certain features of their universe work tend to really wind up underwhelming. Let magic be magic - we were perfectly OK for 20+ years with the idea that Jedi are basically magic, why spoil it with something mundane?

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    5. Re:Midichlorian testing to come soon by ulski · · Score: 1

      except Star Wars is supposed to take place "A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away...." - which means it is not about a possible future, but I agree with you one that fantasy movies often are so far fetched, that the whole "movie universe" they try to build in your mind fall apart

    6. Re:Midichlorian testing to come soon by armareum · · Score: 1

      It's not that they *use* quantum entanglement per se; it's that the electron transport chain present in choloroplasts has evolved to be as efficient as it can, which happens to take advantage of quantum effects.

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    7. Re:Midichlorian testing to come soon by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      I really hate that scene. Lucas dropped that line to try to move the "force" from being Fantasy Fiction magic (and quell complaints that Star Wars is not science fiction). But it still doesn't explain what "the force" is supposed to be. Are the midichlorians a bunch of tiny wizards ala Harry Potter casing "force" spells everywhere? It's still just nonsense.

      Just look up Orgone and bions. It fits together fairly well complete with a darkside.

    8. Re:Midichlorian testing to come soon by Ilsundal · · Score: 1

      And the earth will always be flat. Magic is simply science we currently yet do not understand. ;)

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    9. Re:Midichlorian testing to come soon by spun · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The explanation is bullshit. We are supposed to believe that this blaster having, light speed exceeding, strong AI using galactic society can not figure out and duplicate the 'quirk of physics' embodied in midichlorians? The explanation is magical precisely because it can not be duplicated or even explained technologically by a sufficiently advanced civilization.

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    10. Re:Midichlorian testing to come soon by spiritgreywolf · · Score: 1

      The part that irked me was that depending upon how you focused - being good or bad, channeling the force was a capability by all with a willingness to bring forth their innate talents. In this case a Jedi for Good or a Sith for bad - both of which stronger than your average being. So in similarity to the article - believing you are good or bad can enhance certain strengths.

      With that once scene alone, he reduced the magical and mystical property of that defining element everyone could relate - and aspire to, to become something that any back-woods doctor could cure with a strong dose of tetracycline or some other uber-strong, broad spectrum antibiotic.

      Thanks George.

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    11. Re:Midichlorian testing to come soon by almightyons · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you guys read Asimov's foundation, you should know that Star Wars is just an attempt in taking probably the best series of science fiction ever written and delivering it in a more acessible package for the masses. No, you don't want plausible mutants whith electromagnetic devices that alter other people's perception, you just want a 'force'. Star wars is just Fantasy put in a 80s' hype era.

    12. Re:Midichlorian testing to come soon by lymond01 · · Score: 1

      Lucas dropped that line to try to move the "force" from being Fantasy Fiction magic

      I thought it was to move The Force out of religion into science. Of course, I never read that anywhere or heard quotes from Lucas suggesting that. But it's what I think.

    13. Re:Midichlorian testing to come soon by OakDragon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Electron tunneling whoosawhatsits? I just wants my fancy movin' picture porn to come on over the tubes and light up my screen!

      Which is pretty much the response you'd get right now, today.

    14. Re:Midichlorian testing to come soon by shentino · · Score: 1

      The earth is flat, locally.

      Just like spacetime is flat, locally.

    15. Re:Midichlorian testing to come soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hate the midichlorian thing too. The force is not something that should be explained or measured by science. If it was, that galaxy would have been dominated by an economic system peddling force abilities to everyone. The force was spiritual power and it should have remained that way. Ha! I guess this research proves it was spiritual power!

    16. Re:Midichlorian testing to come soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Star Wars was, at least originally, a space opera instead of speculative fiction. The midichlorians thing was absolute nonsense attempting to explain something that didn't need to be explained.

      Hell, if you want crazy space opera with sufficiently advanced tech users shooting magic or esp or other nonsense, check out Simon R. Green's Deathstalker series. Imagine if Star Wars had more extreme heroes and villains with absolutely not giving a damn about the science behind everything.

      Want a spaceship that moves faster than the speed of light? Sure thing! Just don't ask how it works.
      Want a main character that can move faster than human reflexes and slaughters hundreds on his own? Sure thing! Revel in the badassery.
      Want people that have magic and fly around burning things? Sure thing! We'll call is ESP and just handwave that it's "the next stage of human evolution."
      Want AI robots, clones, world destroying weapons, alien species, and other near impossible things? Sure thing! BECAUSE IT'S AWESOME.

      It's Star Wars with ultraviolence and no attempt at science.

    17. Re:Midichlorian testing to come soon by jesset77 · · Score: 1

      The explanation is bullshit. We are supposed to believe that this blaster having, light speed exceeding, strong AI using galactic society can not figure out and duplicate the 'quirk of physics' embodied in midichlorians? The explanation is magical precisely because it can not be duplicated or even explained technologically by a sufficiently advanced civilization.

      Pfft, what's advanced AI and cybernetics when you can't bring back the dead? If they still don't know how the organic brain works well enough to have established immortality, then there's just got to be some limits to their knowings, don't there? :P

      And how strong are the AI really if they aren't running the place?

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    18. Re:Midichlorian testing to come soon by thesandtiger · · Score: 1

      Except it isn't. You're going under the mistaken assumption that "what you see is what you get" when it comes to the universe. Let me give you a thought experiment courtesy of the book Flatland:

      Imagine you're a 2-dimensional creature - you live on a plane, everything around you is 2-dimensional, and the concepts of "up" and "down" are ones you can kind of vaguely begin to plumb (kind of like we do with tesserae or hypercubes or other mathematical & geometrical abstractions that sort of give us ideas but don't really make us *feel* a 4th spatial dimension in any visceral way)

      Now I, a 3d space creature, can just look down and see you guys easily. So I reach down, grab one of you, pick you up out of your plane, and move you a couple of feet over before setting you down.

      Holy shit, the ones of you who saw this might exclaim! Fred just teleported!

      You haven't the biology to perceive that 3rd, crucial dimension, so to you, it's freaking magic. You might be extremely technologically advanced within your framework, but some basic stuff that any 3d toddler can do (grab and move something) is like magic to you and completely outside of your powers.

      Outside of your powers to perceive, outside of your powers to even really theorize about, outside of your powers to even comfortably *think* about except in the vaguest possible way. I don't care how good you get at manipulating your 2d universe, stuff that happens in the 3d universe is going to be incredibly, INCREDIBLY hard to handle. You might develop a couple of applications that sort of handle the mathematical abstractions of the 3d concept and allow you to kind of do some things to it, but you aren't going to be really good at it.

      So, take this into Star Wars territory. I'm going to ignore the blaster comment because I don't think that requires any kind of super-duper technology that means they should be able to handle ANYTHING. I'm going to focus on hyperdrive, "strong" AI and biotech.

      1) Warp drive is, possibly, an application of extra-dimensional abstractions to (crudely) manipulate matter in the 3d universe. I say crudely because Solo is terrified of moving through a star, and, frankly, I'm unimpressed by any warp drive that isn't essentially instantaneous once you get it going. If you're traveling outside the universe and going point to point, it should be essentially instant. So sure, they have warp drives, but it isn't all that impressive.

      2) "Strong" AI - I don't think so. Oh, sure, 3P0 seems pretty bright, and R2 is a sarcastic, snarky fella, but if they're so smart, why aren't they running the joint? They're essentially immortal, should have physical bodies far exceeding the strength of the meatbags around them, and generally wouldn't have any problem taking over. Yet the droid army (intentionally) lost a war (and those droids were controlled by a central source), numerous times we hear reference to canned phrases like "I'm just a droid and not very good at (whatever is being asked of them outside their purview)" and so on. I think the droids are just extremely good expert systems, but I definitely wouldn't call them "Strong" AI. Another 50-100 years of development here on Earth and I'm willing to bet we'll have non-organic brains as good as or better than their droids.

      3) Biotech - this is relevant to the force since the only physical manifestation we know about is those midichlorians. So let's see... They cannot, even with the resources of an entire empire and even when the person needs it badly, regrow limbs or even give someone a skin graft. Hell, when one guy gets smacked in the face by a Wampa they can't even do sufficient plastic surgery to restore his good looks. People get old at the same rate we do. People die in childbirth and stupid platitudes like "she lost the will to live" are offered up rather than any real cause, even to people who should be well educated and bright enough to understand it. *We* are almost to a point of being able to do all of these things easily - so I can say I'm not impres

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    19. Re:Midichlorian testing to come soon by spun · · Score: 1

      Derp. Learn some physics. Heck, teach yourself what the scientific method actually does. If 3D objects can interact with a 2D universe, then dimensionality doesn't matter. We can understand them and come up with a comprehensive theory, because we can see the effects. In fact, some current theories treat any volume of our 3D universe as a 2 dimensional plane wrapped into a sphere enclosing that arbitrary 3d volume. Anything that happens inside the 3D sphere is completely described by entities on the boundary plane.

      In short, if it happens within my sphere of perception, it isn't magic and I can understand it. The idea that an advanced civilization can not understand these midichlorians is simply ludicrous, but that is okay, because Star Wars is not science fiction, it is science fantasy. Internal consistency has never been a big issue in the Star Wars universe, and any attempts to argue for some sort of internal consistency will only come from silly fan boys who don't understand the difference between fantasy and science.

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    20. Re:Midichlorian testing to come soon by Zaphod+The+42nd · · Score: 1

      It doesn't really make sense. So, every living thing has midichlorians in them? So, midichlorians are living things, but they're smaller than every other living thing. Thats convenient! And apparently they can communicate with people? I guess you have to train yourself to "use the force" aka how to train your midichlorians. But thats pretty silly, that billions of nearly-atomic scale creatures could communicate with us with any kind of actual precision (no, I didn't want you to force push the droid, I wanted you to force push the SITH LORD!) just seems ridiculous.

      If midichlorians are just things that go after the force (and I'm pretty sure starwars said that isn't the case) then they're completely unneccesary, and the force goes right back to being wizard magic.

      The problem was, we all fell in love with a trilogy of movies that said nothing about midichlorians. Then DECADES later lucas puts out another trilogy and suddenly tosses in some midichlorians, which weren't there the whole time we were in this beloved universe. But now it seems like they WERE there they whole time, we just didn't know (or worse, he didn't know yet). It feels retconned, it feels tacked on, and it feels made up.

      Furthermore, the cool thing about the force was that we didn't understand it! It was just this mystical and mysterious stuff that grand masters understood and could teach you, but you just couldn't fathom right now. But when you try to start explaining it with faux-science, then you suddenly HAVE to explain it, and if you don't, well, what was the point? You just get a bunch of conflicting information and some very confused fans.

      Not that it matters anymore though, Starwars is so inconsistant these days. I tried watching the new Clone Wars animated cg show and MASTER YODA couldn't fight off like 3 little droids. What is that nonsense? Plus, you have things like Anakin, while a padawan, TAKING ON A PADAWAN OF HIS OWN. Like the jedi order didn't have rules or traditions or anything, its just a big frat party. Jeeze.

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    21. Re:Midichlorian testing to come soon by Zaphod+The+42nd · · Score: 1

      What you said about AI I have to agree with 1,000x times. I'm so angry about how robots and AI are portrayed in science fiction, its so DUMB! They spend all their time going "beep boop" or like "what is love? I do not understand, how do you compute?"

      A true artificial intelligence would be able to know EVERYTHING our entire society knows from the second it is booted up. It would have more thoughts per second than we have in a year, and all math and logic would be absolutely flawless. They'd have no artificial life term limits, so they could just keep on growing and learning and improving, and they could communicate any knowledge or skills perfectly and instantaneously with any other artificial intelligence. It boggles the mind! Their society would completely dwarf ours in mere HOURS.

      I have absolutely NO DOUBT that when we DO create artificial life forms, they will have emotions, and they will be so much more intelligent than us that we will be like animals by comparison.

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    22. Re:Midichlorian testing to come soon by thesandtiger · · Score: 1

      I'm gonna go off topic here for a sec - why are you being hostile? It's a discussion of a stupid thing in Star Wars, and yet rather than simply voice your opinion with something like "I disagree, here's why," you felt compelled to insult (the "derp") and belittle rather than simply behave like a mensch.

      Back to the topic:

      If you can see the effects in a 2D universe, sure, you can come up with a theory (or many theories) that attempt to explain what's happening in a higher dimensionality to explain those effects, but you're missing one crucial point: it's the whim of an intelligent being in that higher dimension that is causing this phenomena, and thus it may wind up not being entirely 100% predictable. How do you make a theory around something when the underlying cause of it - the caprice of an intelligent being - is not consistent.

      Suddenly, the scientific method isn't completely useful here since one of the big elements of it is repeatability. Suddenly many fundamental theories of physics wind up getting scrapped - the laws of the universe *aren't* the same everywhere because these higher dimensional beings can essentially change them to suit their needs.

      However, while the science might wind up not being solid science due to the issue of caprice, maybe you can wind up with a pseudo-science or mystical issue that would allow some people to appeal to the higher-dimensional creatures to do things that would give the illusion of control. For example, maybe there's a state of mind the lower-dimensional creatures can get to that is, for whatever reason, appealing to the higher dimensional creatures and the higher d critters want to encourage that. So a lower d creature gets to this state of mind, say, through meditating, and the higher d creature encourages this by giving the lower d creature something nice (say, extra powers) that make that lower d creature more likely to engage in the good behavior, and so on. Both sides are kind of trying to shape the other.

      Suddenly you have the *gasp* science-fantasy world of Star Wars: they're really high tech and able to do a bunch of really cool stuff (warp and so on) but the cool stuff we're talking about is, basically, mystical/magical stuff.

      And I have said in every post I've made on this topic that I agree it doesn't need to be explained (or didn't) but it was, and it's *gasp* fun to try and figure out ways to explain things in such a way that they can work with what we know about that world. Honestly, if it just upsets you (which is what it seems to have done) why would you even engage in the discussion? It isn't like it's anything important.

      If all you have to contribute is "you're stupid and ignorant, this whole thing is dumb" then that's not particularly fun or interesting - at least, I don't find simply saying "you're stupid and ignorant, this whole thing is dumb" to be terribly fun. And if having a bit of fun trying to cobble together a workable way to have stupid things like midichlorians be related to force stuff makes me a fangirl, then okay, guilty as charged; much better to be a fan of something than a hostile, insulting naysayer who's not contributing anything "constructive" (in quotes because, it's a freakin' discussion of Star Wars so there's a limit to how constructive it can be), dontcha think?

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  2. Playing your alignment? by Pojut · · Score: 5, Funny

    What if you are Neutral Neutral...would you just collapse in a heap of jello?

    1. Re:Playing your alignment? by XanC · · Score: 2, Funny

      What makes a man turn neutral? Lust for gold? Power?

    2. Re:Playing your alignment? by Pojut · · Score: 2, Funny

      What makes a man turn neutral? Lust for gold? Power?

      Feh. A man doesn't lust; a man takes. ::fends off the feminists:: I'm just playing my character's alignment! Chauvinist/neutral.

    3. Re:Playing your alignment? by PatHMV · · Score: 1

      I was always fond of "chaotic neutral" alignment, myself...

    4. Re:Playing your alignment? by Pojut · · Score: 2, Interesting

      We had a buddy back in the day who made an attempt at a Lawful Evil character. It's much harder than you think.

    5. Re:Playing your alignment? by jockeys · · Score: 1

      or is he just born with a heart full of neutrality?

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    6. Re:Playing your alignment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Your neutralness, it's a beige alert.

      If I don't survive, tell my wife I said, "hello."

    7. Re:Playing your alignment? by hoggoth · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I hate to go all Godwin on you, but isn't the best example of evil in the past 100 years a perfect example of 'lawful evil'?

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    8. Re:Playing your alignment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A knife can do that.

    9. Re:Playing your alignment? by chronosan · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't that just be the Djinn from Wishmaster?

    10. Re:Playing your alignment? by HBI · · Score: 1

      The arbitrary nature of the ruler in question was far more in evidence than organizational skills or attention to any rule of law.

      Think Chaotic.

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    11. Re:Playing your alignment? by 0xdeadbeef · · Score: 2, Funny

      ::fends off the feminists::

      No, that won't make them touch you, either.

    12. Re:Playing your alignment? by raddan · · Score: 1

      Actually, I think you could make the case that the Nazi party's rise to power (and Hitler's in particular) was illegal, or at least extralegal, given that most of the power shifts were the result of late-night coups and street shootings. On the other hand, the Enabling Act, which essentially dissolved Parliament, was passed through in a legal manner. I suspect that most leaders, either famous for their goodness or infamous for their evil, work outside of the law to make their agendas happen.

    13. Re:Playing your alignment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not a Chauvinist... I just have standards.

    14. Re:Playing your alignment? by hoggoth · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Chaotic is Conan running into a crowd of enemies whirling his sword. Chaotic is 'V for Vendetta' disrupting the machinery of the 'lawful evil' society around him. Chaotic is the Unibomber.

      The Nazi war machine was a well organized, disciplined army running on precise rules. The rule of law was despicable, but a rule of law nonetheless.

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    15. Re:Playing your alignment? by ma1wrbu5tr · · Score: 1

      Han? Is that you? What do you mean you have a bad feeling about this?

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    16. Re:Playing your alignment? by ma1wrbu5tr · · Score: 1

      We had a buddy back in the day

      ..implies it was a while ago. With so many role models for "lawful evil" being exposed in the real world in the last decade, I think it would be much easier now.

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    17. Re:Playing your alignment? by commodore64_love · · Score: 4, Informative

      Sadly you are correct. The men who TAKE are the ones who get sex and marriage (and maybe even some adultery on the side). Us nice guys finish last because women find us "weak" non-confident and unattractive.

      No I'm not bitter. Why do you ask?

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    18. Re:Playing your alignment? by rlp · · Score: 1

      What if you are Neutral Neutral...would you just collapse in a heap of jello?

      Stop insulting us Druids, you insensitive clod! :-)

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    19. Re:Playing your alignment? by Talla · · Score: 1

      > I hate to go all Godwin on you, but isn't the best example of evil in the past 100 years a perfect example of 'lawful evil'?

      No, that's an example of a few lawful evil making the laws and a lot of lawful neutral following them.

    20. Re:Playing your alignment? by jbeach · · Score: 1

      Basically, in the real world equivalent: a neutral neutral is a gray boring life.

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    21. Re:Playing your alignment? by jbeach · · Score: 1

      I kinda dig chaotic good. But that's pretty much a projection of my life outlook.

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    22. Re:Playing your alignment? by jbeach · · Score: 1

      "Lawful Evil" really requires a very specific type of insanity, where the person is beholden to their own laws and can't just remake those laws arbitrarily. The only real-world analogue for this that I can think of is Mao. Hitler, Stalin and most of the other dictators from both the political left and political right had a very arbitrary and capricious outlook on the law - laws were for others and not for them. Which is not what someone who was truly of the outlook "Lawful" would operate...

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    23. Re:Playing your alignment? by jbeach · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't think the Nazis were even lawful evil, since they were quite ready to violate their own laws if it suited them. But they weren't chaotic evil - that would be more like, say, Manson. "Neutral Evil" might better describe them...

      Perhaps the best description of Lawful evil might be Jim Jones, and various other leaders who perish with their cults. They are following their own laws, even to their own doom.

      Of course, where D&D steps out of touch with reality (besides, you know, with every single fantasy element : ) ) is that people almost never - and I'm tempted to say never - really view themselves as evil. Even if they may claim they're "evil", they always have some sort of justification for their actions. They're evil because "society is evil", or "God is evil", or "my parents made me evil." There's never anyone in real life who's like "I freely chose evil, just because I dig it and it's fun." That only exists in fictional characters like Hannibal Lecter.

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    24. Re:Playing your alignment? by besalope · · Score: 1

      What if you are Neutral Neutral...would you just collapse in a heap of jello?

      Stop insulting us Druids, you insensitive clod! :-)

      Shape-shift form Gelatinous Cube?

    25. Re:Playing your alignment? by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      Not really. The "well-oiled machine" image of Nazism was mostly propaganda. In fact, it was mostly run on nepotism and personal favoritism. The parts of the German war machine that were well-organized and worked according to well-laid out policies with those parts that were there *before* the Nazis (like the General Staff).

    26. Re:Playing your alignment? by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      The Nazi war machine was a well organized, disciplined army running on precise rules.

      No, that describes the *German* war machine, that was built before the Nazis ever got there. The Nazis themselves weren't really any of those things.

    27. Re:Playing your alignment? by Palpatine_li · · Score: 1

      Nazi war machine was so poorly organized that it lost to USSR in spite of the fact that Germany had much more industrial potential. I'd say that's pretty neutral evil. (since it's still organized better than some shame of a war effort like Italy had made.

    28. Re:Playing your alignment? by Pojut · · Score: 1

      Shape-shift form Gelatinous Cube?

      The beauty part is, you can't get to the next level...so the kids just keep coughin' up quarters, you know? ::snort::

    29. Re:Playing your alignment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Was this modded funny because there is no "+1 this is true and it's killing us" option?

    30. Re:Playing your alignment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not particularly nice, or bad, or attractive, or unnatractive. But I don't see things the way you, or most men, do. I see a lot of marriages that end in divorce. I see men who end up paying child support and alimony for the rest of their working lives, often to several ex-spouses. I see dating as nothing more than thinly veiled prostitution (there may be exceptions, but in general this is the way things are).

      So I chose a different path. If I want sex, I just pay for a hooker (not the expensive escort type) and take reasonable precautions to avoid STDs. This ends up being a lot less costly in the long run, both in terms of money and stress. The best part is I can have a different girl every time and not feel guilty about it, because it is a pure, honest transaction, not adultery or pretending to love a girl but just wanting to fuck her (as in most dating circumstances).

      I don't identify myself in any particular group, whether it be "nice guys" or "players" or anything else. I just am, and follow the most logical path that has the least resistance. Good and evil are artificial constructs of the human mind. Just be, that is enough.

    31. Re:Playing your alignment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You realise that girls like confident, nice men right? Being a bad guy shows confidence but that gets really old, really fast when those guys have nothing nice to say or do. A confident* nice guy seems to be a rarity and has no trouble finding women. Just don't confuse being confidence and nice with being an arrogant prick who buys flowers once in a while.

    32. Re:Playing your alignment? by al3 · · Score: 1

      Kind of like Fight Club

      Police Officer: You said that if anyone ever interferes with Project Mayhem, even you, we gotta get his balls.

    33. Re:Playing your alignment? by suomynonAyletamitlU · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm reasonably certain that the women who find less selfish men unappetizing are the ones who spend their whole days trying to get "bought"--with too much makeup, revealing clothes, spending too much time thinking about fashion and aesthetics, etc. Those same people have been focused on a lot by media because, well, they're the most photogenic, and easy to portray with bad actors.

      To be honest, nice guys deserve better. Hopefully, they will someday learn to stop listening to hyped salespeople in relationships, as in any other market.

    34. Re:Playing your alignment? by Xaositecte · · Score: 2, Insightful

      seriously dude, just pick up the phone, give her a call, and ask her out. It's Summer, go for a walk in the park, picnic, bring some wine if you're old enough.

      Don't play the just friends shit either, specify it's a date. If she's not interested, fine, move on to another one.

    35. Re:Playing your alignment? by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

      Of course, that's it, you're just too nice a guy.

      --

      The enemies of Democracy are
    36. Re:Playing your alignment? by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      If she's not interested, fine, move on to another one.

      Nice guys don't date for sex, they date for love or at least "like". "move on to another one" is a bad-boy strategy.

    37. Re:Playing your alignment? by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      Nazi war machine was so poorly organized that it lost to USSR in spite of the fact that Germany had much more industrial potential. I'd say that's pretty neutral evil. (since it's still organized better than some shame of a war effort like Italy had made.

      Hmm. I'd say you have a pretty shallow understanding of WWII, myself. I imagine, much like the Nazis, you're vastly underestimating the potential of the Soviet Union.

      --
      "Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies."
    38. Re:Playing your alignment? by Securityemo · · Score: 1

      Just because you dress sexually doesn't mean you're submissive, from a power perspective. It's also quite certain that the world they live in have different ratings of power than yours or mine. In my case, I'm quite certain that there's a lot of emotions involved in these relationships that I can't really feel or understand.

      --
      Emotions! In your brain!
    39. Re:Playing your alignment? by Xaositecte · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Eh, sex is part of it, a fantastic part, but not the whole.

      "Move on to another one" is the advice I give to "nice guys" who are absolutely fixated on one girl, especially one who clearly isn't interested in them and\or doesn't even know they exist. This is a tremendously common problem.

      Even if you're looking for love above all else, why would you waste your time on someone who isn't interested in you?

    40. Re:Playing your alignment? by jahudabudy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I've read before (and found it to be true in subsequent observation) that part of the reason assholes get the girl and nice guys don't is that a lot of "nice guys" have the idea that projecting sexual desire/sexual desirability is "not nice". Probably b/c the methods most young men use to project sexual confidence and desire ARE rude, boorish and assholish. So the nice guy equates sexual aggressiveness with the undesirable methods of expressing this he sees in his peers when he is first developing, and basically emasculates himself in order to be non-threatening (an "asshole" as he sees it). They put themselves out there as a sexual non-entity, so are seen that way by women. Assholes don't care about being non-threatening; they want what they want and don't bother to hide it. So the asshole makes a woman feel desirable, the nice guy makes her feel comfortable.

      --
      ...sometimes, in order to hurt someone very badly, you have to tell that person terrible lies. - PA
    41. Re:Playing your alignment? by MyLongNickName · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oh, bullshit. Women do want a man who is self-confident. Being self-confident is not the same as not being "nice". Grow a sack, learn how to communicate directly irl, learn how to not be doormat for women, and maybe you'll be taken seriously by one.

      --
      See my journal for slashdot ID's by year. Mine created in 2005. http://slashdot.org/journal/289875/slashdot-ids-by-year
    42. Re:Playing your alignment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interesting you consider 'finishing last' as including not getting adultery. Maybe women don't find you attractive because you're a whining, bitter loser, not because you don't TAKE.

    43. Re:Playing your alignment? by modecx · · Score: 1

      Hell, they were so unorganized they lost munitions to the French underground... Weapons which were then used to knock-off various officers.

      The OSS even had this great plan of air-dropping hundreds of thousands of el-cheapo .45 caliber pistols in time for D-Day, so that Frenchmen could cause problems behind the front. It wasn't even necessary, because they were already armed much better. When bands of Frenchmen give you problems, you know you're in it deep when Ivan comes knocking.

      (no insult to the French Resistance intended, they really did a hell of a job at slowing and disorganizing the German war-machine)

      --
      Constitutional rights may be respected, repealed, or modified; but they must never be ignored.
    44. Re:Playing your alignment? by Onthax · · Score: 1

      Actually, V for vendetta was not chaotic evil, it was planned mayhem for a greater good it would probably fit under neutral good or eve, he didnt care who he killed to improve the world as he saw it.

    45. Re:Playing your alignment? by Kelbear · · Score: 1

      http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/2010/01/20/the-4-big-myths-of-profile-pictures/

      An examination of 7000 dating profiles, looking at the number of contacts from the opposite sex based on their picture.

      Slashdotters, don't forget the standard caveats of examining the results of any study, but this is an interesting read nonetheless.

    46. Re:Playing your alignment? by IdolizingStewie · · Score: 1

      That is actually a really good explanation.

    47. Re:Playing your alignment? by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      Nice guys don't date for sex, they date for love or at least "like". "move on to another one" is a bad-boy strategy.

      Eh, sex is part of it, a fantastic part, but not the whole.

      "Move on to another one" is the advice I give to "nice guys" who are absolutely fixated on one girl, especially one who clearly isn't interested in them and\or doesn't even know they exist. This is a tremendously common problem.

      Even if you're looking for love above all else, why would you waste your time on someone who isn't interested in you?

      Amendment: Nice guys don't date to be loved, they date because they do love. They're stuck in a romantic notion that if they're nice enough, the one girl they really love will take notice. And they're too nice to date a girl that's 2nd best because they know they couldn't completely commit. BTW, there is an XKCD for this. http://xkcd.com/513/

    48. Re:Playing your alignment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know... Good and evil are things that we made up but if we believe in it for example going to church and "feeling the power of god" from the atmosphere, then yes, i'm certain you can conjure up some mental help. When you're pissed you get your adrenaline running and you focus a lot better. If you can control your emotions then you have the ability to call upon your adrenaline reserves on demand. I didn't RTFA like everyone else so forget me if I misunderstood.

    49. Re:Playing your alignment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Move on to another one" is a "I'm not desperate and clingy" strategy.

    50. Re:Playing your alignment? by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      you're vastly underestimating the potential of the Soviet Union.

      He's also ignoring the vast amount of aid the USSR received from the USA.

      --
      Warning: this article may contain humor, sarcasm, parody, and perhaps even irony. Read at your own risk.
    51. Re:Playing your alignment? by HBI · · Score: 1

      Bingo. "Why the Allies Won" by Richard Overy is a fun, educational read.

      --
      HBI's Law: Frequency of calling others Nazis is directly correlated with the likelihood of the accuser being Communist.
    52. Re:Playing your alignment? by sourcerror · · Score: 1

      What makes a man turn neutral? Lust for gold? Power?

      That would explain Jabba the Hutt.

    53. Re:Playing your alignment? by sourcerror · · Score: 1

      He's learning how to communicate. That's why he's on /. . A little bit more practice and he'll pass the Turing test.

    54. Re:Playing your alignment? by suomynonAyletamitlU · · Score: 1

      I don't equate trying to be "bought" with being submissive. Again, it's a question of salesmanship, and in many cases, sleazy salesmanship.

      Relationships can happen normally, where you find someone you like and you hit it off. You might find you have a lot in common and that you enjoy sharing with one another, and you only rarely rub each other the wrong way.

      Alternately, one side or the other can do a sales pitch, and being a (straight) man myself, I only really watch the women doing it--wearing makeup, clothes, and an attitude, all of which make unreadable the person you are underneath.

      Catch 'em with honey, promising that this image you project is what they'll have for the rest of their life if they choose you, and then... what? If you get married, you no longer need to advertise yourself, but if you spent so much of your life up to this point trying to get bought, what do you do with yourself? Fortunately in many cases we're getting past the "women become housewives when married" thing, so they can have their own jobs, their own money, their own lives, but I feel pity--and some smugness--when I think of the women who realize that they became that image, and now that they've been bought they never need to use it again.

    55. Re:Playing your alignment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Much of the Nazi rank-and-file may have been "lawful evil" in that they scrupulously followed existing laws and regulations, doing so both as an end in itself ("I vuzz chust followink orders") and a means through which to pursue evil goals. But a lot of the top brass, including Hitler, basically made up the rules as they went along. They were happy to flout any laws, rules, pacts or agreements the moment they outlived their usefulness or (especially in the case of Hitler) if a particular whim struck their fancy. Hitler didn't believe half the crap he said; it was all just means to an end -- in his case, domination of the German nation, conquest of the rest of the world, and the extermination of the Jews and other non-Aryan races. I'd call him neutral evil, whereas someone like the notoriously undisciplined Goering would've been chaotic evil.

      If you want an example of true lawful evil, I might look to organized crime. Of course they break the country's laws left and right, but many criminal organizations have a strict code of honor and conduct that absolutely must be followed, and whose members genuinely seem to believe in it. In the most disciplined groups, even the highest-ranking officials follow the code. Same thing with many terrorist and fundamentalist organizations; I don't know enough about the Taliban, but I assume at least some of them actually believed in their draconian interpretation of Islam and Sharia, and weren't just doing it as a means to power and domination.

      Of course, you could also say that many hotshots in finance are lawful evil: they don't give a damn about right and wrong, but they know just how play things to keep them within the confines of the law. But maybe in that case they're neutral/chaotic evil agents operating within a lawful evil regime.

    56. Re:Playing your alignment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What if you are Neutral Neutral...would you just collapse in a heap of jello?

      No silly. You can control animals then.

    57. Re:Playing your alignment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Neutral Neutral would become what most of us are.

      Fat and weak.

    58. Re:Playing your alignment? by Sperbels · · Score: 1

      A radical political party quickly takes over one of the mightiest industrialized nations in the world, rallies its citizens to world war and the dehumanization of a significant part of the population, and it was totally unorganized? Sorry, but I think your hate is blinding you so much that you've lost the ability to objectively see the situation.

    59. Re:Playing your alignment? by mcvos · · Score: 1

      Nazi war machine was so poorly organized that it lost to USSR in spite of the fact that Germany had much more industrial potential.

      You're kidding, right? Nobody beats the Russia on its own soil. Napoleon's army was also very well organized, but that's just not enough to defeat Russia.

      The German war machine at the start of WW2 was by far the best organized army in the world. The had the best trained officers, the best infantry tactics, the best panzer strategies. They made huge, extremely ambitious attack plans and executed them to perfection. Conquering most of western Europe in a matter of weeks is not something you do with a poorly organized army. Later in the war, when the allies had learned from the Germans, Russian war production came up to speed, the US joined the war and it became obvious that Germany had bitten off a lot more than it could chew, the German war machine started to break down. No doubt the unexpected setbacks in Russia played a big part in that.

    60. Re:Playing your alignment? by spiralx · · Score: 1

      Great link, thanks :)

    61. Re:Playing your alignment? by qwijibo · · Score: 1

      I choose evil of my own free will. I see the signs that say the speed limit is 40, but I'm always going 50-55. I know it's wrong, but I do it anyway.

      A wise man once said "now you see that evil will always triumph because good is dumb."

    62. Re:Playing your alignment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's true neutral, buddy

    63. Re:Playing your alignment? by jbeach · · Score: 1

      Ah, that's not evil. That's just being naughty. Big difference.

      --
      The Invisible Hand of the Free Market is what punches workers in the nuts.
    64. Re:Playing your alignment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just snip the asshole's condom and let god sort him out. Let's see him be happy with a kid or child support payments. Oh, and I suppose the girl would be displeased with her choice of a nonhusband.
      We can force the evolution, or we can watch bitterly...

  3. It is purpose that defines us by Arancaytar · · Score: 1

    Smith was right!

    1. Re:It is purpose that defines us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Smith was right!

      I don't remember that quote from the 135 minute epic known as The Matrix. Was that after he captured Morpheus, or before Neo kicked his ass in the end?

    2. Re:It is purpose that defines us by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      Smith was right!

      So, when do we start getting Lenses? Boskone isn't going to just wait around, you know!

    3. Re:It is purpose that defines us by AgentSmith · · Score: 1

      It was in-between all the talky talk and the ass kicking.

      We Agents don't really like to talk about it. Grr. . .

      But it is exactly like the quote.

      There's no escaping reason, no evading purpose, because we both know, that without purpose there is no reason to exist. It is purpose that created us, purpose that connects us, purpose that pulls us, that guides us, that drives us, that defines us, it is purpose that binds us.

      Good and Evil are engines of purpose that sustain people longer than purpose for a given project or timespan.

  4. So being netural is the worst chocie then? by genner · · Score: 1

    What makes a man turn neutral ... Lust for gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?"

    1. Re:So being netural is the worst chocie then? by proc_tarry · · Score: 2, Insightful

      OLIVER: How hard was it to remind neutral during World War II?

      MAURER: Well, I think this is always a debate and I think we do make a clear distinction between our neutrality as an instrument of foreign policy and what we think as individuals and what the country thinks.

      OLIVER: But then, the neutrality issue seems complicated. Now obviously, Hitler did some very bad things, we know that. How do you focus on the positive things to balance that out?

      MAURER: It's not a question of positive. It's a question of our neutrality has always been a state-driven concept of not participating in war.

      OLIVER: Was there not just a little voice of humanity inside you saying this is terrible, we should really do something about it?
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      MAURER: As a question of principle, it's unadvisable for a country as small as ours to participate in war. Why should we?

      OLIVER: So: Easy to take a position on neutrality, hard to take a position on Hitler.

      MAURER: We did take strong positions on Hitler and many other things. We didn't participate in the war. That's two different things.

      OLIVER: [imitating Hitler] "Would it be possible for me to keep my gold here?" [Imitating the Swiss] "Ah, Adolf! Of course! Lovely to see you again. Come back in! What have you been up to? Actually, don't tell me, I want to be able to say I don't know."

      [uncomfortable pause]

      OLIVER: Is this neutral anger, or real anger, Mr. Ambassador?

    2. Re:So being netural is the worst chocie then? by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      Priceless!

      --
      "We returned the General to El Salvador, or maybe Guatemala, it's difficult to tell from 10,000 feet"
    3. Re:So being netural is the worst chocie then? by mjwx · · Score: 1

      What makes a man turn neutral ... Lust for gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?"

      I have no strong feelings on the issue.

      --
      Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
  5. I told you! I told you so! by jeffmeden · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Gray’s findings run counter to the notion that only those blessed with heightened willpower or self-control are capable of heroism, suggesting instead that simply attempting heroic deeds can confer personal power.

    See? You can will yourself to have heroic physical capabilities! Batman *isn't* bullshit! He may have bought his fame, and all his cool gadgets, but that doesn't stop him from willing himself into a superhero. Thank you, modern science, for seeing the light.

  6. In related news... by Kral_Blbec · · Score: 5, Funny

    science discovers adrenaline. Story at 5

    1. Re:In related news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      science discovers adrenaline. Story at 5

      How does adrenaline affect self-control? You would think it would make you less stable.

    2. Re:In related news... by somersault · · Score: 2, Informative

      The type of self control mentioned in TFS isn't "I probably shouldn't eat another donut", it's "oh fuck my legs are really tired and sore, I wanna go lie down", and getting a boost of adrenaline would help you push through that kind of thing.

      --
      which is totally what she said
    3. Re:In related news... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I'm no biologist but one thing I've noticed about the body is that there's endless variation, you can be a little more this, or a little less that. And it has an effect. So maybe thinking you're good is relevant both in avoiding donuts and slaying evildoers (or goody-goods...) If you're depressed you're more likely to turn to comfort food, or a drug. If you're filled with purpose you're less depressed. If you don't believe in yourself, you don't try as hard as you might. It must be a combination of factors.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    4. Re:In related news... by somersault · · Score: 1

      Yeah I wasn't talking about the pure psychological effects, I was responding with how adrenaline could be useful even though it could be clouding your normal judgement.

      --
      which is totally what she said
  7. i am superman! by bigrockpeltr · · Score: 1

    if i beleive i am good enough does that mean i can run faster than a speeding bullet... jump a building in a single bound? YES!!!!!

    now to find the tallest building nearby to test my new found flight.

    --
    $ unzip, strip, touch, finger, grep, mount, fsck, more, yes,fsck,fsck,fsck,umount, sleep
    1. Re:i am superman! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if i beleive i am good enough does that mean i can run faster than a speeding bullet...

      Sorry to burst your bubble, but what TFA claims is that you'll withstand pain better than if you didn't have the belief (either of being pure evil or pure good).
      For example, if you get your hand severed by a lightsaber, it makes the difference to believe that you're either good or evil and not faint from the pain.

  8. Old as dirt. by cyphercell · · Score: 4, Informative

    "The good fighters of old first put themselves beyond the possibility of defeat, and then waited for an opportunity of defeating the enemy."

      Sun Tzu

    --
    Under the influence of Post-Cyberpunk Gonzo Journalism
    1. Re:Old as dirt. by hedwards · · Score: 3, Funny

      That text is most wise, much of it though is common sense to those with a knowledge of combat. Personally, I prefer Zapp Brannigan's Big Book of War.

    2. Re:Old as dirt. by misexistentialist · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That quote is not about "belief".

    3. Re:Old as dirt. by StackedCrooked · · Score: 1

      That doesn't work in Starcraft.

    4. Re:Old as dirt. by cyphercell · · Score: 1

      The fuck it isn't.

      --
      Under the influence of Post-Cyberpunk Gonzo Journalism
    5. Re:Old as dirt. by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      "Is too".. "is not"... can either of you put the quote in context?

      Without knowing the context, but knowing other Sun Tzu quotes, I'm inclined to believe that it's not about belief. Sun Tzu was, IIRC, the man who said you win a war before you start fighting it. "Putting themselves beyond the possibility of defeat" would be part of preparing and positioning such that you simply can't lose when the war comes. At which point, you can wait for the opportunity to start the war when you're guaranteed a win. The good general wins the war, then begins it, whereas the bad general begins a war, then strives to win. Or something to that effect...

      --
      "Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies."
    6. Re:Old as dirt. by cyphercell · · Score: 1

      "Confront them with annihilation, and they will then survive; plunge them into a deadly situation, and they will then live. When people fall into danger, they are then able to strive for victory."
      Sun Tzu

      --
      Under the influence of Post-Cyberpunk Gonzo Journalism
    7. Re:Old as dirt. by misexistentialist · · Score: 1

      I agree that that quote involves the power of belief. But still think your first quote is about knowledge and skill: "The consummate leader cultivates the moral law, and strictly adheres to method and discipline; thus it is in his power to control success." It's true that guy inspires his followers to fight to the maximum and breaks his enemy's morale, but he still needs to be tactically perfect or he will fail.

    8. Re:Old as dirt. by cyphercell · · Score: 1

      They are antithetical quotes. Espousing the success of tactics which would directly disagree with one another, how can that make sense?

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      Under the influence of Post-Cyberpunk Gonzo Journalism
  9. My evil powers by benwiggy · · Score: 1

    So I can my evil powers for good.....?

    1. Re:My evil powers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is there really a market for canned evil powers?

    2. Re:My evil powers by Nadaka · · Score: 1

      It's evilly delicious!

  10. Psychosomatics. Not too big a shock. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Psychosomatics. Not too big a shock.

  11. Oh, Great by StefanJ · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now the Olympics are going to look like a convention of superheroes and supervillains, with each athlete alignment-doping him or herself with more and more outrageous costumes, posturing, and pre-event monologues.

    "Sure, he hurled the discus five miles, but did he really have to soak it in the blood of five virgins and dedicate his performance to All-Mighty Set?"

    1. Re:Oh, Great by sorak · · Score: 5, Funny

      So the Olympics will turn into pro-wrestling?

    2. Re:Oh, Great by TheCarp · · Score: 2, Funny

      yes but without all the top notch acting and special effects.

      --
      "I opened my eyes, and everything went dark again"
    3. Re:Oh, Great by boneclinkz · · Score: 0

      Now the Olympics are going to look like a convention of superheroes and supervillains, with each athlete alignment-doping him or herself with more and more outrageous costumes, posturing, and pre-event monologues.

      "Sure, he hurled the discus five miles, but did he really have to soak it in the blood of five virgins and dedicate his performance to All-Mighty Set?"

      Bahahaha.

      "How are you preparing yourself, mentally, for your event?"

      "Last Olypmics, I spent the week before working in a soup kitchen, for a lousy bronze medal. This year, I'm just going to drop a baby down a well."

    4. Re:Oh, Great by mrheckman · · Score: 2, Funny

      How much evil can an Olympic athlete do before it is considered "doping"?

  12. Paladin by Stargoat · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If that's the case, then why is Paladin the worst 3.5e base class?

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    Hoist Number One and Number Six.
    1. Re:Paladin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're playing it wrong...

    2. Re:Paladin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      because Paladins have always sucked playing second fiddle to the Cavalier.

    3. Re:Paladin by Securityemo · · Score: 1

      You just need to play those temporary buffs for all it's worth.

      --
      Emotions! In your brain!
    4. Re:Paladin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Monk is the worst 3.5e base class, actually. And the OA Samurai.

    5. Re:Paladin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "lawful good" isn't actually good. It's goodness for the sake of the law. Doesn't really count.

    6. Re:Paladin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because the way Clerics are, is what Paladin should have been. Alternatively look up the Prestige Paladin on the SRD (UA alternate rules).

      NOTE: Hilarious enough, my captcha word was 'aflame'...

    7. Re:Paladin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If that's the case, then why is Paladin the worst 3.5e base class?

      Because Karma is a timeless construct and WoW made the Paladin so damn overpowered it had to be nerfed everywhere else in creation.

    8. Re:Paladin by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

      All Paladins suffer from crippling self-doubt.

      --

      The enemies of Democracy are
    9. Re:Paladin by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      If that's the case, then why is Paladin the worst 3.5e base class?

      Because Paladin was never intended to be a base class. It should have been an epic class requiring 9 levels of Fighter and an oath of poverty (no landholdings). OD&D FTW!

    10. Re:Paladin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cause they felt he needed a god damn horse.

      That's why he's worthless

    11. Re:Paladin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Check out the Paladin's Smite Evil in Pathfinder RPG ... holy (no pun intended) crap!

    12. Re:Paladin by SudoGhost · · Score: 1

      In Pathfinder, which is based on 3.5, it's arguably one of the best classes. In fact the Paizo forums are full of people bitching about Paladins being overpowered. Now I'll just reference them to this article.

    13. Re:Paladin by Stargoat · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I'm looking forward to playing some Pathfinder in the next few weeks.

      --
      Hoist Number One and Number Six.
    14. Re:Paladin by Blue23 · · Score: 1

      If that's the case, then why is Paladin the worst 3.5e base class?

      Pick a response:

      1. You never played a spellthief, did you?
      2. OMG, game does not perfectly simulate life.
      3. I guess they'll have to errata it to give them +2 Str, +2 Con.
      4. "Lawful good is the best alignment..." (oh wait, that's 3.0, not 3.5)
      5. You think it was a poor class in 3.5, try 4e. (Okay, they salvaged it with Divine Power, but really.)
      6. Sir Galahad: My strength is as the strength of ten, Because my heart is pure and the Cleric cast Bull Strength on me last round.
      7. Evil will always triumph, because Good is dumb.

      --
      LITTLE GIRL: But which cookie will you eat FIRST? C. MONSTER: Me think you have misconception of cookie-eating process.
  13. bwahaha! by dirty_ghost · · Score: 1

    see evil subject

  14. fear of abject humiliation by goffster · · Score: 1

    does it for me every time.

  15. direct and inverse things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    lately I started to observe this: the stronger you think you are, the stronger you are. and the smarter you think you are, the dumber you are.

    1. Re:direct and inverse things by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      lately I started to observe this: the stronger you think you are, the stronger you are. and the smarter you think you are, the dumber you are.

      Indeed, and the number one reason someone disagrees with you is not because they don't understand what you do, but they understand all that fully, plus they understand some other things you don't. An intelligent man asks such a person why they think what they do, in light of this or that. An idiot tells such a person that they are the idiot, and explains what he or she knows without even asking what the other person knows that they don't, assuming simply that the other person must be dull for not having reached the same conclusion as themselves. And they encounter this so often, they soon convince themselves that the world is full of idiots. There's probably a direct correlation between how stupid someone is and how widespread they believe stupidity is among other people.

      --
      "Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies."
    2. Re:direct and inverse things by Xerolooper · · Score: 1

      lately I started to observe this: the stronger you think you are, the stronger you are. and the smarter you think you are, the dumber you are.

      Indeed, and the number one reason someone disagrees with you is not because they don't understand what you do, but they understand all that fully, plus they understand some other things you don't. An intelligent man asks such a person why they think what they do, in light of this or that. An idiot tells such a person that they are the idiot, and explains what he or she knows without even asking what the other person knows that they don't, assuming simply that the other person must be dull for not having reached the same conclusion as themselves. And they encounter this so often, they soon convince themselves that the world is full of idiots. There's probably a direct correlation between how stupid someone is and how widespread they believe stupidity is among other people.

      Seems to be similar to the Dunning-Kruger effect which has often been discussed on /.

      --
      "The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget." -Thomas Szasz
  16. Wild mass guessing: by Securityemo · · Score: 1

    "Writing stories about harming people" releases hormones, adrenaline that increases endurance. Helping people gives an endorphine reward that gives the person more capacity to endure pain. So if I easily fall into a state of seething rage, does that mean I have an easier time accessing this power boost? And what has that to do with "good and evil?"

    --
    Emotions! In your brain!
  17. Hasn't done a damned thing for my Healer by rickb928 · · Score: 1

    But my Ninja, of course, is Neutral.

    They say a Scavvy is the best partner, and evil would, of course, be the way to go. All for naught however unless I can find a RoTP and get down there in a hurry. We'll see how it works out.

    Funny how it's always the Ninja that cleans up.

    --
    deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
  18. Re:I told you! I told you so! by hedwards · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That's been established for a really long time. Winding up in texts from the Bhagavad Gita to The Art Of War. And frequently gets parodied in western pop culture. It's somewhat tied into the great strength of chimps. Chimps don't have really have any more muscle than a similarly sized person, but so much of our muscles are used to control precise movements that we lose out a lot on strength. Similarly by clearing the mind of doubt we can cease fighting with ourselves and become far more powerful and coordinated than we normally would.

    The reason why is simply that being careful tends to cause for weak performance as a result of the excess thinking it requires. Which is why everybody from martial artists of old to marines will train and train and train until they can do without thinking.

  19. Good guys and bad guys nonsense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All of this labeling as good guys and bad guys is something that seems to be of enormous interest in the US. Those kind of labels are all over the news and even US presidents are talking about good vs evil. As I'm from Europe, I've never understood this phenomenon. Rarely would you hear someone express themselves so naively here, and you would NEVER hear this kind of talk in the news or by any mainstream politicians. How do you measure if someone is good or bad? I would think 99.99% of people on this planet are some degree of both.

    1. Re:Good guys and bad guys nonsense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you making fun of the USA? Clearly you are an evil person.

      Prepare to meet your maker.

  20. Overcoming the limits of evil by line-bundle · · Score: 1
  21. what happens when by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

    I am pure neutral neutral, do I have to roll an extra die to find out what happens?

  22. Chaotic Neutral? by ctchristmas · · Score: 4, Funny

    So switching my lvl 7 dark elf warrior from chaotic neutral to evil gives a str bonus?

    1. Re:Chaotic Neutral? by cycleflight · · Score: 1

      At the very least it gives you the ability to eat a possessed turkey.

      --
      "...And who wants to make buttprints in the sands of time?" ~Bob Moawad
    2. Re:Chaotic Neutral? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      What it SHOULD mean is that characters always receive a bonus when fighting an opponent of opposite alignment, or when performing an act which is completely within their alignment. A Chaotic Neutral character receives a bonus when doing something they perceive as maintaining the balance. A Good character gets a bonus when fighting Evil. Neutrals get no bonus, but no one gets a bonus against them (unless you want a lawful/chaotic bonus.) Etc etc.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
  23. And a control? by Nareth · · Score: 1

    Who is to say that people who are strong are more inclined to evil? In his study he didn't use any sort of a control, so his conclusions aren't necessarily true.

  24. finally now i... by garompeta · · Score: 1

    I can wear my superhero suit! Now where do I get a jetpack?

    1. Re:finally now i... by TwistedMind66 · · Score: 1

      Look up for Martin Jet Pack!

  25. placebo effect by Comboman · · Score: 1

    But now that we know it's a placebo effect, it won't work anymore. Thanks for nothing science.

    --
    Support Right To Repair Legislation.
    1. Re:placebo effect by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      But now that we know it's a placebo effect, it won't work anymore. Thanks for nothing science.

      Actually, recent evidence suggests that placebos are still effective, even if the doctor tells the patient they're placebos, as long as the doctor tells the patient, in his professional opinion, they'll probably work anyhow. Which isn't a lie, because they do. Neat, eh? Has some interesting implications about just how deep our tendency to submit to authority goes, though.

      --
      "Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies."
  26. Ah, the science of misinterpretation by Layth · · Score: 4, Insightful

    IMHO they missed the mark on this one.
    It's not about good or evil, it's about catering to the ego's sense of importance.

    Speaking from personal experience, if I am going out of my way to commit a personal sacrifice in the name goodness, then my sense of importance becomes expanded for the duration of the act.
    For example, if you're running a marathon for a charity you believe in. Suddenly, you may find the wordly measurements of your physical endurance to be exhibiting increased levels.

    Are you a super human? No.
    You're just willing to grit your teeth and take a little more pain. Because it's *important* and what you're doing is *important* and the ego just eats it up.

    1. Re:Ah, the science of misinterpretation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's kind of like my motto: "Sleep, caffeine or a purpose. Pick any two."

  27. We are defined by the choices we live by by NicknamesAreStupid · · Score: 1

    As fast as you run, you would run faster if you knew a lion were chasing you or if you truly believed a lion were chasing you. Neither good nor evil is a lion, but they were created by mankind for similar effects.

    1. Re:We are defined by the choices we live by by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice words to quote! :-)

      "Neither good nor evil is a lion, but they were created by mankind for similar effects."

  28. Finally, a rational explanation... by JSC · · Score: 1

    ...for why Windows has more market share than Linux. ""Evil" acts in particular give a person a large boost in physical strength. "

    --
    Time's fun when you're having flies. - Kermit the Frog
  29. Conviction is the moral of this story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here's where I'm confused:
    We -didn't- know this already? I, for one, have always known that belief in my own personal power came from a similar belief that I can make a good affect on the world around me. I don't think this is just good or evil either, it's just conviction. When you believe in an ideal, you rise to the occasion.

    It's as simple as that.

  30. Every campaign has a Lawful Evil in it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We used to call him/her "Dungeon Master" and run when he laughed.

    Lawful Evil only requires that you use the rules to screw everyone around you.

    1. Re:Every campaign has a Lawful Evil in it... by hedleyroos · · Score: 1

      I wish I had a few mod points for you AC (hey Taco, how about a Limited Wish button?).

  31. Why is there no poll attached to this? by ma1wrbu5tr · · Score: 1
    I am...

    1: Good

    2: Evil

    3: Lawful Good

    4: Lawful Evil

    5: Chaotic Good

    6: Chaotic Evil

    7: There is no good or evil, only Carson Daly.

    8: A robot

    --
    Why can't we go back to using jumpers to configure slot adapter cards? Why? I say!
    1. Re:Why is there no poll attached to this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      where's "walker, texas ranger", you insensitive clod?

  32. Dark Side by hydromike2 · · Score: 1

    So this means that the Dark Side is stronger than the Light Side it seems.

    1. Re:Dark Side by aquila.solo · · Score: 1

      No, no, no! Quicker. Easier. More seductive.

  33. So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's like Fable meets the real world. Now if only I could get a golden halo for being so pure....

  34. Tremble before me puny mortals! by Darinbob · · Score: 1

    Bwahahaha *cough*. Er, carry on.

  35. Black magic is all will by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will is about the strongest emotion a human can muster. The "dark arts" practitioners know this, and all of their knife waving and pentagram drawing is really just an exercise in will control. Knowing your own will and making it come to be are what black magic is about. If you will something done, you must see it done, a magician cannot go back on her will, once she has willed something to be. I'm not into it, and haven't ever gone to a meeting, but I've read The Book of the Law, and The Black Lodge of Santa Cruz. Those arts do indeed take your mind to a dark place, imo, and I stopped reading shortly after I read those books. They're both available online for free, but they're not light reads, imo.

    I'd guess most black magic (magick to the initiates) practitioners don't consider themselves as evil, merely powerful. The idea that black magic "won't work on you if you don't believe it" is upside-down. In fact, magic works on the magician, focusing his or her will . You've probably occasionally met people with very strong wills who basically got what they wanted without a scene, just a presence. Some of these people are "naturals" and others were quite probably trained.

    There is a certain cult whose name I won't mention (*cough southpark* oh hell, I'll post anonymously, actually. Scientology, /. will protect me from you I think), whose founder was a practitioner of black magic. The members deny it but the lineage is obvious in the teachings of the cult. They teach you to focus your will, and that you can do anything, and that's why it "works" to some degree. The founder just marketed it well.

    Check out L. Ron's son's interview (I think in playboy). If you're ready for a dark and twisted read, try Lonesome Squirrel. Scientology isn't just another religion. It is a black magic pyramid scheme, literally.

    [/tinfoil off]

  36. So that's how Google does it then? by Zaiff+Urgulbunger · · Score: 1

    They just "think" they're good, and that alone makes them this hugely profitable global company? Cool!!

  37. Re:I told you! I told you so! by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

    Chimps don't have really have any more muscle than a similarly sized person, but so much of our muscles are used to control precise movements that we lose out a lot on strength.

    As I heard it, it's actually that we just don't activate as many muscle clusters simultaneously as chimps do. It's not about fine motor control when it comes to big muscles like the quadriceps or biceps, it's just that we're optimized for endurance over strength.

    And when we do activate all of our muscles at once, we tend to injure ourselves because our skeletons aren't designed for it.

    --

    The enemies of Democracy are
  38. Re:I told you! I told you so! by magisterx · · Score: 1

    You are on it exactly. Humans are optimized for endurance over strength. Chimps tend to have denser muscles with more long fibers and they also tend to have much denser bones. The 5-8X often quoted is an exaggeration, but in terms for short term force they are substantially stronger than us. There are some details for the laymen at: http://www.slate.com/id/2212232

  39. Because the DM said so by dasherjan · · Score: 1

    I'm gonna choose evil so I can use the Helm of Disintegration!

    1. Re:Because the DM said so by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      I'm gonna choose evil so I can use the Helm of Disintegration!

      "Paladins can't use the Helm of disintegration!"

  40. Really Stupid by WildBillSV · · Score: 1

    This all a doctoral student in psychology at Harvard has to do huh. What a waste of time and an education. Who gives a damn if anyone thinks they are good or evil. Evil" acts in particular give a person a large boost in physical strength...what a crock. If you are evil and come at me and I hit you with a bat it just doesn't matter does it. I really hate stupidity.

  41. Quantum morality state by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder if it is possible to achieve a quantum morality state which is both good AND evil at the same time, giving one the advantage of both.

  42. Re:I told you! I told you so! by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

    Sounds like I wasn't exactly right, as the difference isn't just in how the muscles are coordinated, but in actual genetic differences in the tissue itself.

    Interesting.

    --

    The enemies of Democracy are
  43. Not even close by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Monk is far worse than Paladin in 3.5: all the MAD (Multi Attribute Dependence, I think, but don't quote me on this) of the Paladin, but no attack _or_ healing ability to speak of.

    Paladins can actually be pretty good in 3.5, although they obviously lack the cheese of wizard or CoDzillas - I'd certainly favor a Paladin over a Fighter or a Ranger, that's for sure.

    And by posting this, I have ensured I keep my virginity for at least twenty years more, give or take six months.. :-)

  44. Re:I told you! I told you so! by MiniMike · · Score: 1

    I had heard it was because of the placement of their tendons, which gives them more leverage, not that they think they are superheroes/villains. Maybe it's a combination of factors.

  45. the force by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ..is weak with this one

  46. Re:My good powers by mjwx · · Score: 1

    So I can my evil powers for good.....?

    Your days of leaving words out of sentences are over, Grammor.

    --
    Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
  47. If you only *knew* by cstacy · · Score: 1

    ...the POWER of the dark side!

  48. In soviet Russia by cstacy · · Score: 1

    In soviet Russia, power EVILS you! (Also in all other nations, to date...)

  49. One word by Dexter+Herbivore · · Score: 1

    Excel-lent.

  50. Yeah but which one? by The+MESMERIC · · Score: 1

    /me tosses a coin.

  51. And by mahadiga · · Score: 1

    "You are a product of your environment." --Clement Stone

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    I'd like to buy homeland for our 10 million people. http://twitter.com/mahadiga
  52. "True love" vs. Love by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "True love" is not just liking or loving someone alot. It's another level. If you haven't experienced it yourself, then you won't understand it. I have felt it, twice, yet I've had over 20 girlfriends, most of whom I simply loved. I don't expect to ever feel "true love" again, because it's so rare. I believe that many people live long happy family lives without ever realising that they never experienced "true love". In a way, lucky them, as loosing such a love is something one cannot simply walk away from.

  53. Butterflies are overrated by mcvos · · Score: 1

    "True love" is not just liking or loving someone alot. It's another level. If you haven't experienced it yourself, then you won't understand it. I have felt it, twice, yet I've had over 20 girlfriends, most of whom I simply loved.

    I'm not sure what you mean by "true love", and how you distinguish it from lesser love. I suspect it's not the "mad storm of butterflies" in my stomach that I've experienced with two girls. It's the kind of physical response to love that makes you sick, unable to think clearly, and gives you a really, really weird feeling in your stomach. In any case, those two relationships were doomed. Didn't work at all for a variety of reasons. I'm currently married and love my wife deeply, but I never felt anything remotely like that storm of butterflies. It's much more rational, practical and plenty emotional too, but it lacks that weird way in which my body goes completely loopy. I don't miss it.

    Relationships that work win out over crazy dysfunctional stuff every time, exciting though the craziness may be.

  54. Re:I told you! I told you so! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    *a-hem* Marines, please. Lower case marine is a descriptor having to do with the ocean or sea, upper-case signifies a proper noun.

    S/F