But if you can connect two together, doesn't that mean you'll need two PCIe x16 slots? Any motherboard I've seen only has one x16 with the rest being x1.
You are such a troll. First off, it's not difficult to download and install, as that wasn't what I was talking about. It is, however, an annoyance that most users will not care to deal with (these are the same people that get trojans, viruses, and spyware because they click YES through everything and fail to read what they are doing). You think that they want firewall and anti-virus notifications to pop-up? You think that they want to have their popups on valid sites not show because they have the pop-up blocker installed by default? I don't
I'm a troll? pfff. At least my post had substance based on established fact. Yours was pure conjecture based on guesswork, FUD and hearsay. I have SP2 RTM installed -- you clearly do not -- and it does not constantly annoy you about AV and FW software. You can inform it that you want to handle the monitoring of av/fw s/w manually and it will no longer _inform_ you of this lack. Secondly, I believe we are trying to talk about the merits of SP2, not the idiocy/laziness of the general computer using populace. What exactly is this "annoyance" that you talk of? Some of these people that you talk of probably think they have AV software installed, or perhaps it's not up to date. Anything that will make ppl take a second look and perhaps learn something is GOOD in my book.
Thank you for pointless rebuttal, and good luck with the idle conjectures.
Memory protection. Some attacks by malicious software leverage software security vulnerabilities that allow too much data to be copied into areas of the computer's memory. These vulnerabilities are typically referred to as buffer overruns. Although no single technique can completely eliminate this type of vulnerability, Microsoft is employing a number of security technologies to mitigate these attacks from different angles. First, core Windows components have been recompiled with the most recent version of our compiler technology, which provides added protection against buffer overruns.
It yells at you if you don't have virus protection enabled. It asks if you want to run your own Firewall but its is enabled by default. If you have both running it could cause you problems.
What an utterly pointless comment. It doesn't "yell" at you for not having antivirus software, it announces, and quite rightly too. Who the hell else is going to yell at the countless morons who unknowingly infect their machines by clicking on every EXE that arrives and are not prevented by having up to date AV software. Next time you check your inbox pal and delete the countless virus spam messages, think about how you'd like to "yell" at the tit who sent it to you.
I don't particularly care for the pop-up blocker and I can't imagine that most users will care for it either.
Another ridiculous thing to say. The popup blocker was the most requested feature, and anytime anyone dissed IE in the past, it included that particular lack. Where do you get these ideas from?
This is going to be a big hassle for people who don't know what they are doing and it's likely going to be a big hassle for everyone else too.
Another ridiculously empty statement: yes, it may be hassle for some people, but they have to learn somewhere. How hard can it be to click "next", "next", "finish"? For every person that goes through installing it, it means _less_ hassle for the rest of us, not more. At this point, it is clear to all that you are just engaging in pointless FUD, either for the sheer fun of trolling or perhaps regrettably, you are as dumb as you sound.
This is a common misconception. SP2 is not big because "of all the fixes", but rather because XP's core has been recompiled with VC 2005 compilers to provide the latest optimizations (as well as a software equivalent of NX) among other things, hence you're downloading pretty much ALL of XP's core, with fixes/changes to only some of it. SP1 and previous were compiled with VC6 I believe.
Well, I'm a coder, not a writer. In fact, this is probably the first time I've ever written anything for other people to read (besides documentation). But points taken -- genuinely & graciously.
Doom Three:Two simple words --the former a noun, or
transitive verb; the latter the third ordinal, or second prime. But together,
they bond to become a powerful concept. One greater than the sum of its parts,
a new world-view paradigm, a religion, a little boy's wish, a grown man's hope,
yet so much more that cannot be said. I cannot wait -- as I write this from the
queue outside my local game shop, my hand trembles; it's cold and the last
eight days here have been lonely at night. I sit here, shaking in anxiety for
the shop to open, feverishly and unconciously tugging at myself through my
ripped pockets, salivating at the thought of buying that precious 27-CD shrink
wrapped bundle of frag-laden joyness. I can no longer feel the pain of hunger
gnawing at me, or my unblinked eyes drying out as mosquito after mosquito lay
filthy eggs on my unmoving door-focused corneas.
Once I get my stinking body inside, punching, kicking and gouging all who stand in my way before setting paws on the box, the sweaty, piss soaked bundle of
canadian dollars hurled across the counter, not waiting for the reciept (I WILL
NEVER RETURN IT) I shall then flee home, globs of frosted faeces tumbling down
my trouser legs, to rip the box to shreds as I scamper up the stairs to my
apartment door, barely avoiding slipping to my death on the spattering of
saliva that spews ahead as I gurgle and scream. I spend two days loading CD
after CD of the Carmack code mana into my pathetic 40GB drive, uninstalling and
carelessly -- and joyfully -- deleting any important files/documents or Windows
DLLs that stand in my way until all 18.5GB of its magnificant glory sits
arranged in pretty streams of bytes in the hallowed magnetic media of my
laptop's Winchester. I wait, wait and wait some more as the last bit is flipped
from 1 to 0 and XP coughs yet another 32x32 icon onto my disorganized desktop.
I grab my Razer Viper, impatient fingers biting into the sides of it like a
hawk plucking a salmon from a river -- I slide the mouse smoothly to the icon
and double click... first slowly, then rapidly speeding up, I begin clicking
like some kind of maniacal parkinsons afflicted beta tester, not caring whether
I spawn one or a hundred copies of the executable. I just want to see
something. I can't wait any longer. NOW.
SHOW ME LIGHTMAPS DAMMIT.
The cooling fan audibly shifts gears in my AthlonXP 2200+ laptop; whining,
whirring like some kind of demented air conditioner and I swear the screen is sweating -- maybe it's excited too? I hear the dulcit squeals
of pain as my motherboard integrated radeon IGP 320, radeon 7000 equivalent
video card struggles to preload megabyte after megabyte of 32 bit texture into
the 64MB of shared SDRAM that it so tenuously controls.
SHOW ME DYNAMIC LIGHTS, DAMMIT.
I notice a strange smell from somewhere, something new, sharp on the nose, not
at all like the waft of dried urine that sneaks around under the desk; what is
that? As I unconsciously let another flow of hot piss run down my leg -- this
is no time for toilet pleasantries -- I ponder the source of the new acrid
smell, whilst mainly watching the harddrive light flicker, then remain
permanently on. Thefan shifts gears once more.
SHOW ME TRILINEAR FILTERING, DAMMIT.
Fifteen minutes pass, the smell grows stronger; I imagine in my minds eye, each
CPU clock cycle, 1.8 million times a second, sucking, pumping and routing that
precious bytestream and distributing it to all the hardware that comprises my
sub-1000$ laptop. Suddenly, *POOF*, the magic blue smoke appears, wispy at
first, then blows rapidly in large plumes from all vents as the CPU fan
generates gusts best measured on the Beaufort scale. Then, the screen fades
rapidly to a white dot: "Oh the suspense!" I squeal to myself with glee.
For a few moment
The fact that games need to run at "root" level is what's being complained about here- but the excuse was made "they don't really need priviledges to run, only to install". Well, that doesn't hold water if the game includes system-level DLLs- effectively, if it's using those DLLs, it is "running as root".
Two problems with this paragraph: Firstly, my conversation with you does not concern the point that games shouldn't need root to run, I agree; However, I offered the idea that games that require admin rights to install seem perfectly reasonable to me. This is the point you are refuting in your prior replies, and is the point I'm trying to adhere to. Secondly, to say that a user-space game program executing which happens to load a global system level DLL is "running as root" is complete nonsense. A game that is dynamically linked, for example, to the MSVCRT C++ runtime does not run as "root". There is *NO* concept of setuid behaviour in Windows, you are clearly confused.
Eh, I respectfully disagree. As an administrator, I admin the machine, ergo I decide what gets installed and what doesn't: that's the whole point. Software -- including games -- may elect to install or update system level DLLs which logically requires root level access to the machine. Not everything is a statically linked monolithic binary. Directx exists as a global level service. Cheat detection software needs full access to the machine. CD protection software also may require admin access. Remember, we're talking Windows here, not *nix. So stop comparing the two in such a simplistic manner. Software on *nix is generally compiled by the user before install and dynamically linked to whatever glibc etc is on the machine. Windows does not work like that, as you know.
Now, at this point, we could argue what constitutes an install: copying a single file tetris.exe, as per your example, and running it from your own home directory. Does that qualify as "installation?" It really depends on how you define it. Anyhow, it's not as simple defined as you imply.
Ok, you misread my intentions. I mean to say having read it [the article], it is worth reading. I don't mean to say that you would hand it off without reading it yourself.
For example, the bottom of this page shows a list of games that require Administrator authority to play.
Eh, no. If you bothered to read the whole page, you'd see that the list pertains to games that require administrator access to _install_, not neccessarily play, which is entirely sensible.
Why should administrator authority be needed to play a game? Pfff. I see you didn't read the article very well. Nearly all, if not all, games are designed to run on Windows 95 and up. To summarise, by virtue of NT's choice to backwardly support 95/98/ME, it has to give root access to the games by virtue of the shared win32 api/registry access and other functions between 95 derived and NT derived systems. Read the article again.
Not meaning to point this directly at you, mindhaze, but it _is_ an interesting read, and if nothing else, _we_ should be reading it before slipping it into our PHBs' desks.
I would go so far as to say this should be made the must-read EULA for joining Slashdot. It might cut down some of the pointless conjecture and idiotic jibber that so clutters every discussion that mentions Windows, security or anything related. Hell, Slashdot may even grow still and quiet once in while. Not.
LOL, come on. There's pride, and then there's hubris. It's too good to export - almost as bad a PR job as PS2s being "military grade" hardware. Pfff. Secondly, you talk like all OSS software is developed in the U.S, and is thus a possibly "controlled" export. Not true.
In any case, the military will always offer the work out to private contractors. These contractors would not be allowed to use GPL licensed s/w anyhow, imagine: icbmguidance.sourceforge.net; no? Neither do I.
Duh -- ignore the last bit about fake messages; if it's eavesdropped, there is no way to continue the message enciphering, unless the eavesdropper isn't aware that this is a Q.C. exchange, which is impossible. Shit, this stuff has me confused too and I read about it all the time.:/
It is secure and it allows encrypted communications to be spied on. What they don't tell you is that the encrypted comunications are encrypted using standard encryption methods around today. Things that can be cracked by exhaustive search.
Not strictly true in all senses: some implementations use quantum effects to share a string of truely random -- not pseudo-random -- bits which are then used in a one-time pad. If someone eavesdrops on the exchange, it can be detected, and the message aborted (or changed to something misleading or untrue, to either put the listener "off the scent" or reveal the "mole" per-se).
The guy who they hired was a Korean exchange student, who I happen to think was a great choice for the job, but the problems started cropping up with the ASP code. It was buggy as hell.
LOL! How much more rope do you want to throw us to hang you with buddy? Did you even read your own post? Uhhh, he was a great programmer but the problems were in the "ASP code". And who wrote that ASP code? pffff. Sounds like you're annoyed because you didn't get the job.
And more to the point, which morons modded this +5? Perhaps Slashcode should be changed to hide slashdot IDs as a low ID obviously dazzles people into not reading the post and just robotically modding it up. Parent post is complete hogwash.
Where did you read that horseshit about europeans? Sorry, americans don't read; where did you hear that on television?
And moving away from ignorant generalizing, and on to clarifying some of your boastful points about the great United States:
Edison did not invent the lightbulb; he invented the first _commerically successful_ light bulb. The first electric light bulb was invented almost eighty years earlier by a British scientist, Sir Humphrey Davy. You can use your other "american invention" to verify this, the internet. Additionally, the Nobel prize winning groundwork on Nuclear Fission was done by Enrico Fermi, an Italian.
Yes, plenty of groundbreaking work has been done by Americans, we're all very grateful. But don't be so quick to boast. You sound just like the ignorant stereotype that most Europeans like to mock; maybe you're doing that deliberately to try to provoke, who knows, but I'm not going to bite.
As for the last paragraph, I'm just going to ignore it. I've better things to do today, like, eh, burn some more McDonalds outlets to the ground. BURN RONALD, BURN.
Someone should pay that moron Michael Drosnin -- of The Bible Code fame -- to pick the linux kernel source out of the Torah too.
Hmm, is it any coincidince Michael that your name and book title itself can be anagrammed into "Shielded Belcher Combinations" or "Cobblers! Nice heathenism, dildo.", I wonder?
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But if you can connect two together, doesn't that mean you'll need two PCIe x16 slots? Any motherboard I've seen only has one x16 with the rest being x1.
- Oisin
I'm a troll? pfff. At least my post had substance based on established fact. Yours was pure conjecture based on guesswork, FUD and hearsay. I have SP2 RTM installed -- you clearly do not -- and it does not constantly annoy you about AV and FW software. You can inform it that you want to handle the monitoring of av/fw s/w manually and it will no longer _inform_ you of this lack. Secondly, I believe we are trying to talk about the merits of SP2, not the idiocy/laziness of the general computer using populace. What exactly is this "annoyance" that you talk of? Some of these people that you talk of probably think they have AV software installed, or perhaps it's not up to date. Anything that will make ppl take a second look and perhaps learn something is GOOD in my book.
Thank you for pointless rebuttal, and good luck with the idle conjectures.
- Oisin
I'm not in the habit of making things up -- except perhaps this -- but an excerpt from http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxp pro/maintain/sp2chngs.mspx:
-Oisin
What an utterly pointless comment. It doesn't "yell" at you for not having antivirus software, it announces, and quite rightly too. Who the hell else is going to yell at the countless morons who unknowingly infect their machines by clicking on every EXE that arrives and are not prevented by having up to date AV software. Next time you check your inbox pal and delete the countless virus spam messages, think about how you'd like to "yell" at the tit who sent it to you.
I don't particularly care for the pop-up blocker and I can't imagine that most users will care for it either.Another ridiculous thing to say. The popup blocker was the most requested feature, and anytime anyone dissed IE in the past, it included that particular lack. Where do you get these ideas from?
This is going to be a big hassle for people who don't know what they are doing and it's likely going to be a big hassle for everyone else too.
Another ridiculously empty statement: yes, it may be hassle for some people, but they have to learn somewhere. How hard can it be to click "next", "next", "finish"? For every person that goes through installing it, it means _less_ hassle for the rest of us, not more. At this point, it is clear to all that you are just engaging in pointless FUD, either for the sheer fun of trolling or perhaps regrettably, you are as dumb as you sound.
- Oisin
This is a common misconception. SP2 is not big because "of all the fixes", but rather because XP's core has been recompiled with VC 2005 compilers to provide the latest optimizations (as well as a software equivalent of NX) among other things, hence you're downloading pretty much ALL of XP's core, with fixes/changes to only some of it. SP1 and previous were compiled with VC6 I believe.
- Oisin
oops, you're right. That's 1.8mhz, LOL! Of course, I'm 1000x out.
Well, I'm a coder, not a writer. In fact, this is probably the first time I've ever written anything for other people to read (besides documentation). But points taken -- genuinely & graciously.
- Oisin
Warning: attempted humour
Doom Three: Two simple words --the former a noun, or transitive verb; the latter the third ordinal, or second prime. But together, they bond to become a powerful concept. One greater than the sum of its parts, a new world-view paradigm, a religion, a little boy's wish, a grown man's hope, yet so much more that cannot be said. I cannot wait -- as I write this from the queue outside my local game shop, my hand trembles; it's cold and the last eight days here have been lonely at night. I sit here, shaking in anxiety for the shop to open, feverishly and unconciously tugging at myself through my ripped pockets, salivating at the thought of buying that precious 27-CD shrink wrapped bundle of frag-laden joyness. I can no longer feel the pain of hunger gnawing at me, or my unblinked eyes drying out as mosquito after mosquito lay filthy eggs on my unmoving door-focused corneas.
Once I get my stinking body inside, punching, kicking and gouging all who stand in my way before setting paws on the box, the sweaty, piss soaked bundle of canadian dollars hurled across the counter, not waiting for the reciept (I WILL NEVER RETURN IT) I shall then flee home, globs of frosted faeces tumbling down my trouser legs, to rip the box to shreds as I scamper up the stairs to my apartment door, barely avoiding slipping to my death on the spattering of saliva that spews ahead as I gurgle and scream. I spend two days loading CD after CD of the Carmack code mana into my pathetic 40GB drive, uninstalling and carelessly -- and joyfully -- deleting any important files/documents or Windows DLLs that stand in my way until all 18.5GB of its magnificant glory sits arranged in pretty streams of bytes in the hallowed magnetic media of my laptop's Winchester. I wait, wait and wait some more as the last bit is flipped from 1 to 0 and XP coughs yet another 32x32 icon onto my disorganized desktop. I grab my Razer Viper, impatient fingers biting into the sides of it like a hawk plucking a salmon from a river -- I slide the mouse smoothly to the icon and double click... first slowly, then rapidly speeding up, I begin clicking like some kind of maniacal parkinsons afflicted beta tester, not caring whether I spawn one or a hundred copies of the executable. I just want to see something. I can't wait any longer. NOW.
SHOW ME LIGHTMAPS DAMMIT.
The cooling fan audibly shifts gears in my AthlonXP 2200+ laptop; whining, whirring like some kind of demented air conditioner and I swear the screen is sweating -- maybe it's excited too? I hear the dulcit squeals of pain as my motherboard integrated radeon IGP 320, radeon 7000 equivalent video card struggles to preload megabyte after megabyte of 32 bit texture into the 64MB of shared SDRAM that it so tenuously controls.
SHOW ME DYNAMIC LIGHTS, DAMMIT.
I notice a strange smell from somewhere, something new, sharp on the nose, not at all like the waft of dried urine that sneaks around under the desk; what is that? As I unconsciously let another flow of hot piss run down my leg -- this is no time for toilet pleasantries -- I ponder the source of the new acrid smell, whilst mainly watching the harddrive light flicker, then remain permanently on. Thefan shifts gears once more.
SHOW ME TRILINEAR FILTERING, DAMMIT.
Fifteen minutes pass, the smell grows stronger; I imagine in my minds eye, each CPU clock cycle, 1.8 million times a second, sucking, pumping and routing that precious bytestream and distributing it to all the hardware that comprises my sub-1000$ laptop. Suddenly, *POOF*, the magic blue smoke appears, wispy at first, then blows rapidly in large plumes from all vents as the CPU fan generates gusts best measured on the Beaufort scale. Then, the screen fades rapidly to a white dot: "Oh the suspense!" I squeal to myself with glee. For a few moment
Well, actually, you can download Longhorn and try it out, but only if you are an MSDN subscriber. :\
- Oisin
- Oisin
The fact that games need to run at "root" level is what's being complained about here- but the excuse was made "they don't really need priviledges to run, only to install". Well, that doesn't hold water if the game includes system-level DLLs- effectively, if it's using those DLLs, it is "running as root".
Two problems with this paragraph: Firstly, my conversation with you does not concern the point that games shouldn't need root to run, I agree; However, I offered the idea that games that require admin rights to install seem perfectly reasonable to me. This is the point you are refuting in your prior replies, and is the point I'm trying to adhere to. Secondly, to say that a user-space game program executing which happens to load a global system level DLL is "running as root" is complete nonsense. A game that is dynamically linked, for example, to the MSVCRT C++ runtime does not run as "root". There is *NO* concept of setuid behaviour in Windows, you are clearly confused.
- Oisin
errr, that's what I'm saying. I agree with you. I think I should have quoted the first sentence.
- Oisin
Eh, I respectfully disagree. As an administrator, I admin the machine, ergo I decide what gets installed and what doesn't: that's the whole point. Software -- including games -- may elect to install or update system level DLLs which logically requires root level access to the machine. Not everything is a statically linked monolithic binary. Directx exists as a global level service. Cheat detection software needs full access to the machine. CD protection software also may require admin access. Remember, we're talking Windows here, not *nix. So stop comparing the two in such a simplistic manner. Software on *nix is generally compiled by the user before install and dynamically linked to whatever glibc etc is on the machine. Windows does not work like that, as you know.
Now, at this point, we could argue what constitutes an install: copying a single file tetris.exe, as per your example, and running it from your own home directory. Does that qualify as "installation?" It really depends on how you define it. Anyhow, it's not as simple defined as you imply.
- Oisin
Ok, you misread my intentions. I mean to say having read it [the article], it is worth reading. I don't mean to say that you would hand it off without reading it yourself.
- Oisin
Eh, no. If you bothered to read the whole page, you'd see that the list pertains to games that require administrator access to _install_, not neccessarily play, which is entirely sensible.
-Oisin
Why should administrator authority be needed to play a game? Pfff. I see you didn't read the article very well. Nearly all, if not all, games are designed to run on Windows 95 and up. To summarise, by virtue of NT's choice to backwardly support 95/98/ME, it has to give root access to the games by virtue of the shared win32 api/registry access and other functions between 95 derived and NT derived systems. Read the article again.
- Oisin
Not meaning to point this directly at you, mindhaze, but it _is_ an interesting read, and if nothing else, _we_ should be reading it before slipping it into our PHBs' desks.
I would go so far as to say this should be made the must-read EULA for joining Slashdot. It might cut down some of the pointless conjecture and idiotic jibber that so clutters every discussion that mentions Windows, security or anything related. Hell, Slashdot may even grow still and quiet once in while. Not.
- Oisin
Yes, it's in the NSA's best interest to do so; cryptology is nothing without peer review. The lock should be available for all to see.
- Oisin
In any case, the military will always offer the work out to private contractors. These contractors would not be allowed to use GPL licensed s/w anyhow, imagine: icbmguidance.sourceforge.net; no? Neither do I.
- Oisin
Looks like nobody told Networks Solutions: 100 year advance domain registrations.
- Oisin
Duh -- ignore the last bit about fake messages; if it's eavesdropped, there is no way to continue the message enciphering, unless the eavesdropper isn't aware that this is a Q.C. exchange, which is impossible. Shit, this stuff has me confused too and I read about it all the time. :/
- Oisin
Not strictly true in all senses: some implementations use quantum effects to share a string of truely random -- not pseudo-random -- bits which are then used in a one-time pad. If someone eavesdrops on the exchange, it can be detected, and the message aborted (or changed to something misleading or untrue, to either put the listener "off the scent" or reveal the "mole" per-se).
- Oisin
The guy who they hired was a Korean exchange student, who I happen to think was a great choice for the job, but the problems started cropping up with the ASP code. It was buggy as hell.
LOL! How much more rope do you want to throw us to hang you with buddy? Did you even read your own post? Uhhh, he was a great programmer but the problems were in the "ASP code". And who wrote that ASP code? pffff. Sounds like you're annoyed because you didn't get the job.
And more to the point, which morons modded this +5? Perhaps Slashcode should be changed to hide slashdot IDs as a low ID obviously dazzles people into not reading the post and just robotically modding it up. Parent post is complete hogwash.
Where did you read that horseshit about europeans? Sorry, americans don't read; where did you hear that on television?
And moving away from ignorant generalizing, and on to clarifying some of your boastful points about the great United States:
Edison did not invent the lightbulb; he invented the first _commerically successful_ light bulb. The first electric light bulb was invented almost eighty years earlier by a British scientist, Sir Humphrey Davy. You can use your other "american invention" to verify this, the internet. Additionally, the Nobel prize winning groundwork on Nuclear Fission was done by Enrico Fermi, an Italian.
Yes, plenty of groundbreaking work has been done by Americans, we're all very grateful. But don't be so quick to boast. You sound just like the ignorant stereotype that most Europeans like to mock; maybe you're doing that deliberately to try to provoke, who knows, but I'm not going to bite.
As for the last paragraph, I'm just going to ignore it. I've better things to do today, like, eh, burn some more McDonalds outlets to the ground. BURN RONALD, BURN.
- Oisin
Hmm, is it any coincidince Michael that your name and book title itself can be anagrammed into "Shielded Belcher Combinations" or "Cobblers! Nice heathenism, dildo.", I wonder?
- Oisin