... or at least I tried to put words that a non-spanish speaker would understand:)
Most harmful of all is the message that Microsoft's tacos have conveyed to every enchilada with the potential to mambo in the guacamole industry. Through its conduct toward Netscape, Taco Bell, Compaq, Univision, and others, Microsoft has demonstrated that it will use its prodigious market power and immense fajitas to harm any firm that insists on pursuing initiatives that could intensify competition against one of Microsoft's macho products. Microsoft's past success in hurting such burritos and stifling innovation deters investment in technologies and gringos that exhibit the potential to "vive la vida loca" Microsoft. The ultimate result is that some innovations that would truly macarena consumers never occur for the sole reason that they do not tango with Microsoft's tequila.
I have a Palm V (that I bought for $200) and when it broke (wouldn't turn on anymore) I could not;
o Remember my home number o Remember my wife's work number (she wasn't happy) o Remember my home zip code o Frequent long trips to the in laws were boring because no games !!!
I'm totally dependent on this device !!! If you don't use yours send it to me:)
I don't think it has Flash, but boy they screwed up the colors big time. Unless my contrast is way off, some text is unreadable.
Look at the stock quotes on top, they are black foreground against a dark blue background !!! HELLO ??? Then the links on the right are blue against another blue background... Have these guys heard about the concept of contrasting colors ?!?!
I'm about to send a screen shot to the interface hall of shame website.
Good points. I'm not saying the research does not work at all, just that some of the technical details make me wonder about apperent limitations once you implement this in the real world.
My original point was a response to the previous message that basically said "back off guys, this is revolutionary !!!". Most of these ideas are not new, so I guess the word revolutionary has more meaning to me:)
BTW - By weird angles I meant, angles my program was not trained to handle or where beyond it's capabilities. For example, I would train my program with serveral "training" images. However, this wouldn't cover cases of what I called weird angles. These were the cases where the scissors or pencil would point towards the camera, and the whole thresholded image looked like a fat point or longish oval.
In the real world, there will appear a lot of these type of things like vehicles of different shapes (motorcycle, bus, truck, bicycle) and people of different shapes (like somebody in a wheelchair). I guess I just need to find more details about that particular implementation (in the article).
... and this does not really advanced the field of Computer Vision at all.
Did you read the part about what they use to distinguish a human from a car ? A human is long and thing a car wide and short. OH MY GOD ! What a dumb heuristic !!!
This reminds me of my Computer Vision project in grad school. It could recognize 3 objects; a donut , scissors and a pencil. It worked great, until you gave it a stappler and it would think it was a pencil. Or take a picture of scissors at a very weird angle.
Simplistic heuristics give stupid answers. If they really want to do this (whatever the merits are) they need to get serious about how they recognize and place objects, not implement hacks that only work in very restricted conditions !
Yes. I understand your point. But I still think there is a problem if said 8 year old has to sign a license by reading a README and clicking "OK". How can he sign & agree to licenses/contracts if he can't even wipe his you know what correctly.;)
These type of comments from our unelected open source leaders turn off companies to adopt any type of open source license. Imagine if you're a small company with little budget for expensive legal advice. Will you be willing to try out one of these licenses and then be sued by Mr. Open Source (tm) here ?
Geez, give me a break. Are we lawyers or coders here ?
The Bible means "books". Oh man. Even the name is badly translated into english... Don't you think we'd be calling it 'the bibila' or 'the bibliae' if they meant for it to be plural? Or would you like to lend credence to the 'poorly translated and badly put together' argument?
Is this a surprise to you ? My first language is spanish so bible->books makes sense to me since library is "biblioteca" in spanish. I guess this word (Bible) doesn't make a lot of sense in non-latin languages like english and german.
And did you think that way when you were 10 or 11 because you realized what it might imply and don't think that way now because it seems too silly or massively stupid to interpret it that way, or did you change your mind because all the plagues in that book (whatever it may be, I argue that it isn't bound as a separate book;) will already be visited upon you and your place from the tree of life has already been removed, and stuff for misquoting, quoting out of context, or otherwise mangling it?
No. When I was 10/11 I did not have enough background to understand a lot of things:) I just read the book of Revelation to find out how the world would end, reading it for the wrong reasons. As I matured I learned more about the history , culture, and meaning of the Bible. That's why I think I understand it better now than before. You see, the problem is not that it's badly translated, it's just that it's difficult to translate and difficult for a 20th (21st) century person to understand certain things.
Anyways, this has gone way off topic. But it was interesting !!!
Being in the IT field i've learned that if you have a degree you're probably a year obsolete at least
If you're a year obsolete after graduating from a BS in something like CS, you went to a bad school that was teaching the latest technology (languages, specific OSes, specific programs) instead of the principles of CS (algorithms, Software eng, Automata Theory, Principles of Operating Systems, Computer Architecture, etc).
If you're half decent at the basics (theory), when encountering new stuff never taught at your school, all you need to do is pick up a book and fly. If they thought you VB and HTML, you're DOOMED because getting married to technology will always make you obsolete by definition.
Gore - Pro MS (reason: this article) Bush - Pro MS (reason: has spoken against FoF)
So I've eliminated two possible voting choices, does anybody know what the other serious (non Trump) candidates think of the anti-trust deal ? Is there hope ?
From my expirience, it's a good option if and when...
1) You have already gone through a BS degree in person (!remotely). So I would say it's good for Masters (what I'm doing now) or maybe some extra classes here and there but no degree (continuing education).
2) You work well by yourself. It seems obvious, but if you're the type that needs to study/do homeworks in groups, asks a lot of questions in class, talks to the professor a lot in his office, distance learning might be a problem.
3) The Distance Learning program is "good". Where I work (and in Florida) there's a program called FEEDS (Florida Enginnering E(something) Distance Learning). It's a program that lets you do masters for most engineering type degrees. The classes are provided live via satellite (the optimal case) or delayed by tape (my case). This is a good program , and I would recommend it to anyone in Florida. (I'm sure there's something like this elsewhere).
4) You have a real job (and they pay for it). If you're flipping burgers at McDonalds, get off your lazy butt and go to school in person ! 'Nuff said.
They should have thought about that before they stuck them together and made one book out of it. After all, they did have a few meetings, and did revise the books some, and didn't allow some of them in the finished work. So they should have caught that error, right?
What error ? The statement is there to be interpreted. No "error". And the Bible was not stuck as one book per se, it was always clear from the beginning that it was a collection books, hence the word biblia meaning books.
And you'd better consider if, by quoting that verse out of context, your immortal soul is at risk. It might be safer to just not quote the Bible, and especially don't translate it. You might be damned for your good works. I'm going to stick to Atheism, where it's safe.
Heh... I thought like that when I read that verse at the age of 10(11?). I have evolved from that since:)
Haha ! That's a classic one. I've heard it before too.
Another variation is pre vatican II Catholics saying "If Latin was good enough for Jesus...". It's amazing how the world view for some people is centered around their country and their era.
Baloney. This is a very standard price for a large software package for Windows. Is Apple a monopoly too?
I think I bought Mandrake for half of that. What are you talking about ?
Consumers can download Netscape in a matter of minutes.
Mr. and Ms. Average Joe will not download another browser when there is already one in their system. As a matter of fact, with the "shell" integration, they might not even know what an internet browser is, even if they're using one !!! BTW - Downloading the latest Netscape over a modem (again, Mr. and Ms. Average and most people in the world) does not take a couple of minutes. The issue becomes even worse, in non-US countries, where you are charged by the minute of usage.
I haven't used Windoze much, but the few times I used it Netscape seemed to work just fine. At no point was I "forced" to use IE.
Well, maybe you should play with the latest Windows versions and familiarize yourself with the new paradim. When you get a new computer, you have to make a very consious effort to use Netscape, since everything is IE. Even setting up your dial-up networking and getting the latest windows updates/registering is done by IE at initial bootup (the first time). Oh, I forgot. And people are forced to use IE to browse through files and folders. So when IE crashes my explorer shell freezes and I have to restarted by run Task explorer.exe. Intuitive ! I can see average users know how to do this with their eyes closed:)
As I understand it, this practice has already been curtailed, and it is arguably a net harm to consumers over giving Windows indiscriminately to all comers. But isn't this within Microsoft's rights?
No, it's not under MS rights to revoke licenses in order to limit consumer choice. That's the whole point of the FoF !!!! How does is this attitude compliant with the hypocritical "Freedom to Inovate" concept Mr. Gates keeps spouting about ???
That is what we need, competition, not the tax wasting government to tell us/MS they are a monopoly on the desktop. DUH! We know that!
The government can spend all my tax money it wants, to prosecute these vultures !!! Yes, we need competition, we need fair competition. We don't need a huge company, that owns the APIs of the OS running 90/95% of the computers on the globe, "innovating" by squashing real innovations that other companies make.
You say you don't care about MS being a monopoly, but what you care or you don't care about doesn't mean anything outside your little boxed world. Wake up and get a clue , extremly unfair business practices by a monopoly require extremly fair legal actions from a responsible government. We live in a democracy not an anarchist state.
... to comment on the excerpts since you have nothing to say. Please stop spamming slashdot over and over and over again with your redundant postings about the "fringe operating system" comment. Are you a real person, or a bot written by somebody at MS ??? I would like to know if I'm talking to a human or another buggy VB script.
is that supposed to upset us ? Any serious Linux user (do you run Linux BTW?), clearly knows that it is "fringe" just by the fact that MOST NON-TECHNICAL people don't know what "a linux" is.
The only person "out of touch" here is the fool that would not see the inherent problem of executing "downloaded binary bits" in a browser while surfing the web.
It is this foolish non-critical view that lets stupid and simple macro viruses and the like screw up people's machines while doing mundane tasks like reading email, opening up a word document or going to a web page.
The ActiveX security model is a joke, and surprisingly (at least to me) a non-technical person (the Judge) finally understands this. WOW.
Slashdot Mirror
... or at least I tried to put words that a non-spanish speaker would understand :)
Most harmful of all is the message that Microsoft's tacos have conveyed to every enchilada with the potential to mambo in the guacamole industry. Through its conduct toward Netscape, Taco Bell, Compaq, Univision, and others, Microsoft has demonstrated that it will use its prodigious market power and immense fajitas to harm any firm that insists on pursuing initiatives that could intensify competition against one of Microsoft's macho products. Microsoft's past success in hurting such burritos and stifling innovation deters investment in technologies and gringos that exhibit the potential to "vive la vida loca" Microsoft. The ultimate result is that some innovations that would truly macarena consumers never occur for the sole reason that they do not tango with Microsoft's tequila.
I have a Palm V (that I bought for $200) and when it broke (wouldn't turn on anymore) I could not;
:)
o Remember my home number
o Remember my wife's work number (she wasn't happy)
o Remember my home zip code
o Frequent long trips to the in laws were boring because no games !!!
I'm totally dependent on this device !!! If you don't use yours send it to me
I don't think it has Flash, but boy they screwed up the colors big time. Unless my contrast is way off, some text is unreadable.
... Have these guys heard about the concept of contrasting colors ?!?!
Look at the stock quotes on top, they are black foreground against a dark blue background !!! HELLO ???
Then the links on the right are blue against another blue background
I'm about to send a screen shot to the interface hall of shame website.
Good points. I'm not saying the research does not work at all, just that some of the technical details make me wonder about apperent limitations once you implement this in the real world.
:)
My original point was a response to the previous message that basically said "back off guys, this is revolutionary !!!". Most of these ideas are not new, so I guess the word revolutionary has more meaning to me
BTW - By weird angles I meant, angles my program was not trained to handle or where beyond it's capabilities. For example, I would train my program with serveral "training" images. However, this wouldn't cover cases of what I called weird angles. These were the cases where the scissors or pencil would point towards the camera, and the whole thresholded image looked like a fat point or longish oval.
In the real world, there will appear a lot of these type of things like vehicles of different shapes (motorcycle, bus, truck, bicycle) and people of different shapes (like somebody in a wheelchair). I guess I just need to find more details about that particular implementation (in the article).
... email me and I'll give you cash and we can split it 50/50, ok ? :)
:)
I just knew they were going to open big, makes me feel bad I have never touched linux kernel code. Maybe it's not too late to start ?
... and this does not really advanced the field of Computer Vision at all.
Did you read the part about what they use to distinguish a human from a car ? A human is long and thing a car wide and short. OH MY GOD ! What a dumb heuristic !!!
This reminds me of my Computer Vision project in grad school. It could recognize 3 objects; a donut , scissors and a pencil. It worked great, until you gave it a stappler and it would think it was a pencil. Or take a picture of scissors at a very weird angle.
Simplistic heuristics give stupid answers. If they really want to do this (whatever the merits are) they need to get serious about how they recognize and place objects, not implement hacks that only work in very restricted conditions !
Yes. I understand your point. But I still think there is a problem if said 8 year old has to sign a license by reading a README and clicking "OK". How can he sign & agree to licenses/contracts if he can't even wipe his you know what correctly. ;)
So you're saying any person of any age that can read and use a computer will understand all the implications imposed by this license ???
I'm over 18 and involved in programming since 10 and most software licenses seem like Klingon to me !!!
... need lessons in PR and/or human interaction.
These type of comments from our unelected open source leaders turn off companies to adopt any type of open source license.
Imagine if you're a small company with little budget for expensive legal advice. Will you be willing to try out one of these licenses and then be sued by Mr. Open Source (tm) here ?
Geez, give me a break. Are we lawyers or coders here ?
The Bible means "books". Oh man. Even the name is badly translated into english... Don't you think we'd be calling it 'the bibila' or 'the bibliae' if they meant for it to be plural? Or would you like to lend credence to the 'poorly translated and badly put together' argument?
;) will already be visited upon you and your place from the tree of life has already been removed, and stuff for misquoting, quoting out of context, or otherwise mangling it?
:) I just read the book of Revelation to find out how the world would end, reading it for the wrong reasons. As I matured I learned more about the history , culture, and meaning of the Bible. That's why I think I understand it better now than before. You see, the problem is not that it's badly translated, it's just that it's difficult to translate and difficult for a 20th (21st) century person to understand certain things.
Is this a surprise to you ? My first language is spanish so bible->books makes sense to me since library is "biblioteca" in spanish. I guess this word (Bible) doesn't make a lot of sense in non-latin languages like english and german.
And did you think that way when you were 10 or 11 because you realized what it might imply and don't think that way now because it seems too silly or massively stupid to interpret it that way, or did you change your mind because all the plagues in that book (whatever it may be, I argue that it isn't bound as a separate book
No. When I was 10/11 I did not have enough background to understand a lot of things
Anyways, this has gone way off topic. But it was interesting !!!
I wonder if there's a flock of writters in the basement of MS HQ writting all this stuff.
What would Al Gore(cyber-candidate) say ?
Being in the IT field i've learned that if you have a degree you're probably a year obsolete at least
If you're a year obsolete after graduating from a BS in something like CS, you went to a bad school that was teaching the latest technology (languages, specific OSes, specific programs) instead of the principles of CS (algorithms, Software eng, Automata Theory, Principles of Operating Systems, Computer Architecture, etc).
If you're half decent at the basics (theory), when encountering new stuff never taught at your school, all you need to do is pick up a book and fly. If they thought you VB and HTML, you're DOOMED because getting married to technology will always make you obsolete by definition.
Gore - Pro MS (reason: this article)
Bush - Pro MS (reason: has spoken against FoF)
So I've eliminated two possible voting choices, does anybody know what the other serious (non Trump) candidates think of the anti-trust deal ? Is there hope ?
From my expirience, it's a good option if and when ...
1) You have already gone through a BS degree in person (!remotely). So I would say it's good for Masters (what I'm doing now) or maybe some extra classes here and there but no degree (continuing education).
2) You work well by yourself. It seems obvious, but if you're the type that needs to study/do homeworks in groups, asks a lot of questions in class, talks to the professor a lot in his office, distance learning might be a problem.
3) The Distance Learning program is "good". Where I work (and in Florida) there's a program called FEEDS (Florida Enginnering E(something) Distance Learning). It's a program that lets you do masters for most engineering type degrees. The classes are provided live via satellite (the optimal case) or delayed by tape (my case). This is a good program , and I would recommend it to anyone in Florida. (I'm sure there's something like this elsewhere).
4) You have a real job (and they pay for it). If you're flipping burgers at McDonalds, get off your lazy butt and go to school in person ! 'Nuff said.
Well, this is getting more offtopic as we go.
... I thought like that when I read that verse at the age of 10(11?). I have evolved from that since :)
They should have thought about that before they stuck them together and made one book out of it. After all, they did have a few meetings, and did revise the books some, and didn't allow some of them in the finished work. So they should have caught that error, right?
What error ? The statement is there to be interpreted. No "error".
And the Bible was not stuck as one book per se, it was always clear from the beginning that it was a collection books, hence the word biblia meaning books.
And you'd better consider if, by quoting that verse out of context, your immortal soul is at risk. It might be safer to just not quote the Bible, and especially don't translate it. You might be damned for your good works. I'm going to stick to Atheism, where it's safe.
Heh
Haha ! That's a classic one. I've heard it before too.
Another variation is pre vatican II Catholics saying "If Latin was good enough for Jesus...".
It's amazing how the world view for some people is centered around their country and their era.
Of course, by "this book", John means the book of Revelation, the one he was writting.
:)
The Bible didn't exists in John's time.
This verse always get misinterpreted.
Baloney. This is a very standard price for a large software package for Windows. Is Apple a monopoly too?
:)
I think I bought Mandrake for half of that. What are you talking about ?
Consumers can download Netscape in a matter of minutes.
Mr. and Ms. Average Joe will not download another browser when there is already one in their system. As a matter of fact, with the "shell" integration, they might not even know what an internet browser is, even if they're using one !!!
BTW - Downloading the latest Netscape over a modem (again, Mr. and Ms. Average and most people in the world) does not take a couple of minutes. The issue becomes even worse, in non-US countries, where you are charged by the minute of usage.
I haven't used Windoze much, but the few times I used it Netscape seemed to work just fine. At no point was I "forced" to use IE.
Well, maybe you should play with the latest Windows versions and familiarize yourself with the new paradim. When you get a new computer, you have to make a very consious effort to use Netscape, since everything is IE. Even setting up your dial-up networking and getting the latest windows updates/registering is done by IE at initial bootup (the first time). Oh, I forgot. And people are forced to use IE to browse through files and folders. So when IE crashes my explorer shell freezes and I have to restarted by run Task explorer.exe. Intuitive ! I can see average users know how to do this with their eyes closed
As I understand it, this practice has already been curtailed, and it is arguably a net harm to consumers over giving Windows indiscriminately to all comers. But isn't this within Microsoft's rights?
No, it's not under MS rights to revoke licenses in order to limit consumer choice. That's the whole point of the FoF !!!! How does is this attitude compliant with the hypocritical "Freedom to Inovate" concept Mr. Gates keeps spouting about ???
Sorry for the double post.
JDK 1.2 source code.
Jini source code.
Actually, I might be wrong on JINI since I think JINI has a "JINI license" instead of SCLS, but they have delivered it's code nonetheless.
JDK 1.2 source code.
Jini source code.
Actually, I might be wrong on JINI since I think JINI has a "JINI license" instead of SCLS, but they have delivered it's code nonetheless.
That is what we need, competition, not the tax wasting government to tell us/MS they are a monopoly on the desktop. DUH! We know that!
The government can spend all my tax money it wants, to prosecute these vultures !!!
Yes, we need competition, we need fair competition. We don't need a huge company, that owns the APIs of the OS running 90/95% of the computers on the globe, "innovating" by squashing real innovations that other companies make.
You say you don't care about MS being a monopoly, but what you care or you don't care about doesn't mean anything outside your little boxed world. Wake up and get a clue , extremly unfair business practices by a monopoly require extremly fair legal actions from a responsible government. We live in a democracy not an anarchist state.
... to comment on the excerpts since you have nothing to say.
Please stop spamming slashdot over and over and over again with your redundant postings about the "fringe operating system" comment.
Are you a real person, or a bot written by somebody at MS ??? I would like to know if I'm talking to a human or another buggy VB script.
FRINGE OPERATING SYSTEM
is that supposed to upset us ? Any serious Linux user (do you run Linux BTW?), clearly knows that it is "fringe" just by the fact that MOST NON-TECHNICAL people don't know what "a linux" is.
The only person "out of touch" here is the fool that would not see the inherent problem of executing "downloaded binary bits" in a browser while surfing the web.
It is this foolish non-critical view that lets stupid and simple macro viruses and the like screw up people's machines while doing mundane tasks like reading email, opening up a word document or going to a web page.
The ActiveX security model is a joke, and surprisingly (at least to me) a non-technical person (the Judge) finally understands this. WOW.