I understand, as far as I am concerned the gaming industry can collectively go blow itself. It needs consumer rights and some regulation in my opinion. Life has plenty of other things to do beside computer gaming, which is shocking blasphemy to some, but oh well.
At the risk of bad karma, the Nazis were also a small vocal party that ended up dominating Germany. I wonder if their formula applies across the board? It does sound kind of shaky. There are lots of "10%" in this country alone, how do they explain us not flip flopping from one to the other idea? Also, how do they explain issues on which we have about a 50/50 split?
I am a habitual gun jumper, I will admit that. I like to leap on things, they tend to not squirm away as easy.
Ok, here is probably where I train wrecked. Pioneer is slowing down. That is a given, right? They are fielding this "heat" theory, but not quite 100% about it either, but it sounds good, right? Didn't the boys do the long math and say, "nope it's not perturbations of gravity?" Then didn't someone mention it was slowing at exponential rates? Exponential rates?? Wouldn't that mean its going to come to a stop soon then? Unless exponential has changed since I was a 5th grader, isn't that something to be a bit concerned with?
Granted, without doubt I am late to the party, but can I still ask questions and field an explanation of my own? Wacky and convoluted as it maybe, it still reminds me of that little lump of sugar that defiantly swirls around in the bowl, then gets sucked back into the beaters when I used to mix up home made frosting. Granted the model I present is goofy and doesn't represent the insane amount of variables and the dimensions and scope of it all. (Unless I drop the mixer in a giant bowl of frosting where it is suspended, running without the power cord to muck up the works.)
I thought it was something that we really didn't know and thus is an exciting opportunity to discover something fresh and new. Sorry, back to "meh" then.
Ah yes, well lets hear your hypothesis? Or do you have the balls to put one out here? Or can you even formulate one? Even a extremely convoluted one? Anonymous Coward is rightly named.
Thanks for not remarking like a condescending prick.
Pioneer is the first point of view that isn't taken from within our solar system. Besides, as far as being ruled out by these experiments, isn't the fact that they were conducted within the solar system's sphere of influence tainting them? Wouldn't we have to work out where Pioneer is with these experiments to really qualify them?
Also, pardon my 5 minute analysis of the presented information. A mystery such as what is up with Pioneer to me is exciting. If it's not reacting as predicted, this is always exciting, no? Even the "heat" theory could lead to something tangible. I am just the kind of person that if I think I see elephant toenails, I look for the entire elephant.
Anyone who dares to dream or think outside the box must brace themselves for the snarky to angry remarks from the mental lemmings. Those who refuse to dream or think outside the box are doom to stay in it. Human intelligence is built upon previous works. We just don't have the lifespans to get very far alone. We have to pick up the torch via education, then run with it a ways further on our own. This helps progress us. If you haven't noticed, we need some progression. We have an overpopulated planet and all of humanities eggs in one basket.
Sorry, "but physics laws that we know is enough" aren't going to cut it. They weren't when we thought the world was flat, and they aren't going to cut it now. I know it's tough for some to still dream after the discipline of completing an education. It's a system that has fell in love with the sound of it's own voice, thinks that it's the high pentacle of knowledge, and it is the gatekeeper of high intellect. Sadly, it often reproduces, just what it is and nothing more. One can't blame the system completely, many just aren't suited for the task.
Doesn't this hubris get popped like a balloon time after time in history? Thankfully yes, or else we would be still steering clear of the edge of the world.
You really have to love a mystery like this and especially when it's concerning something of this magnitude. The heat theory is seriously grasping at straws when they should be thinking outside the box on this one. Our human perceptive abilities are limited giving us naturally a skewed look at things. This might be a case of not seeing the forest for all the trees in the way.
Humor me please. The boys have done the long math and figured it wasn't from a gravitational effect. Groovy, but it's decelerating still, so WTF? Time to look at the really big picture. This probe is far enough out that it shouldn't be dicked with anything from the solar system. What is out there then? "Nothing" you say? I say there is no such thing as "nothing". Nature abhors a vacuum. We just can't see it.
I am talking about the fabric of space/time. If the probe is "catching" on the fabric, this is great news. This means we have a tangible effect from it that we can study. Considering if it's a kind of "fabric" while in the solar system where we have a sun and planets acting like an egg beater of sorts, trying to study the effects of the fabric would be like trying to study a fart in a tornado. But out in deep La La Land Space it's subtle effects become noticeable.
So, who cares? Effects are two way streets. If the fabric effects matter to the point of deceleration on our little pan-galactic hockey puck, this means it's tangible in some way. This opens up a big can of worms, meaning we can learn to effect it or just side step it, or fold it like a wash rag, who knows?
Consider this, if it is a space/time fabric decelerating it, it makes sense that it would feel the effects out of the solar system. Think of the egg beaters again, but upgrade that to Kitchen Aid blender and you are making icing. Where the beaters are whipping things the consistency of the mix is thin due to the agitation of the blades, but as you venture out from the blades the icing starts to take on a thicker consistency. This is why you have to move the bowl around or the blades around to speed up the process. If you just let it set, the current from it will eventually suck everything back into the beaters. This is probably the effect it's having on the probe. Sure it was easy to move through the mix while in the beaters, the icing was thin, but it's thicker away from the beaters and it has a current to it.
This is probably a great thing or else we would probably have a lot more crap whizzing through the universe, but if these things get stuck in the icing, they get sucked back into the beaters, burned up, etc. Anyway, I think this is great news!
Organic Technology is some awesome stuff and definitely where it's all at. What we need first is proper neural interfaces with existing technology and we should be sharing this as a species in our universities. Frankly, we need to get over the concept of "war" and except the fact we have differences and in fact rejoice because of them. I don't want to lecture on the logic of that particular subject at the moment. But with those "war" resources turned to science, we can be out gallivanting about the galaxy or even universe, out there we will find challenges that will make us all happy as pigs in slop to have as many human beings breathing as possible. The very thought of shooting each other would be laughable.
Genetic engineering, working with the very building blocks of God. Some heady stuff, and we should embrace is as a species before some bastards in our ranks uses it to fuck us all over in a global way.
We as organic creatures, we absorb nutrients, then convert this into building blocks and repair ourselves. We unlock those secrets and we not only cure everything we can imagine in illnesses, but we also cure aging. We get to cure having a little dick. Or a big fat ass. We get to seriously start augmenting humans until we are no longer purely human. Imagine authoring our DNA so that it absorbs metals, converts them into a biological alloy that then becomes our skeletal and muscular system? We would engineer our bodies to adapt to about any environment, to never die, so that the sum of our knowledge grows exponentially, as we interface with all data.
We can then develop senses beyond what we have now so that we can view the universe in ways we can't comprehend now. Imagine being able to see like Jordi? The experiments one could do with math and observations of the various spectrum one could observe. You could be engineered to see sound. We could evolve as a species within the lifetimes of many of us.
We need this. The entire species is located (as far as we know) on just ONE planet at the moment. We are fucking around with all of our eggs in one basket; one planet killer event and we are all GONE. That and we have an entire universe to fuck with, and we all fight about retarded shit here, makes me want to "Three Stooges Slap" the entire human race to wake them up. When we get important, scary, power discoveries, it's really vital that we all resist the overwhelming urge to "go full retard". No?
From your post I think you are curious about "the soul". Who wouldn't be? It's amazing stuff, and it's metaphysical, which means it's beyond current understanding sadly. I wouldn't get too excited about losing your soul, because the mechanics of that are too hard to be fucked with by hardware that we currently dick around with. Get back to that subject after we have some cyber augmentations and develop more outlooks on our universe. But I hear you, "I think, therefor I am." If we clone a brain like a harddrive and put the new one in to replace an old one, will it still be "us" in that brain?
Brain clone tech is not to be thought of in terms of our clunky computers. This will be an organic tech, and the tech will need to be able to transfer the consciousness into the new. We will unravel quite a few "secrets" of the universe, gain fresh perspectives on time/space, math will also evolve exponentially just in the "brain clone tech" alone.
Ultimately, we will fuck around and meet "God". Unless he's still playing position and has things still on some "plan". I am betting he does, because he's beyond the tech that even I dream up. With such a mind that can think things into being. Too me that isn't such a stretch considering energy/matter relationships. The problem is we are like a science experiment that one has to wait generations of our years to observe the reactions and developments thereof. We are probably like fruit flies in relevance to such an entity.
Of course the big picture question to ask him would be "WTF are you doing growing sentient life forms like this on this rock for?" Were you bored? Lonely? Have a job for us? All of the above? Are we the first? Are there other gardens around?" Nag nag nag! Create life forms and all they do is nag you to death....anyway.
How about we do the logical thing and nationalize weapons production. Doesn't it make sense that the Army guys get to build their own shit? Don't they know WTF they need the most and put the most heart and care into it? Tap that into a free advanced education for enlistment, and you get some highly technical people cranking out awesome projects. Don't you think it would be a great source of revenue for the country as well? Considering we sell arms all over the damn world. Shouldn't we the people be reaping the reward for our tax dollars spent? Why do we have the middleman in this one? Considering the middle man takes giant bites and is a source of us getting bent over and fucked for over a hundred years; you would think we would wise up by now.
And this IT problem is fucking disgraceful. This is what happens when you let lobbyists and private contractors into the defense department, when it should have it's own IT people building WTF they have, and be using something that is far better than the current industry's standards. Sweet Jesus, who's spending the fucking money in there? At least dictate to them YOUR standard so they will manufacture it so you don't look like a bunch of fucktards with non-interlocking/compatible systems. Or are they afraid of the Cylons? If they stood up and said "We keep our shit fragmented like idiots, so that no intelligence can penetrate it.". I would fall the fuck over dead from the irony, but I would stand up and applaud them from my casket.
Hearing shit like this is either disinformation or fucking disheartening. Ok, let's pretend it was all "hookers and blow" and whatever, lets move along to fixing the problem. Leave the recriminations for after work at the bar. (the one without the hookers and blow, I know it's not as much fun, but we have shit to do)
Cannibalism is always good for shock and awe. Think of it on a psy-ops level, does it not inspire a deep primal horror? It involves a deep level of commitment, don't you think as well? Notice in how regions in the deep darkest jungles where cannibalism happens, these areas are eschewed by outsiders? If I said, "hey lets go do some free lance journalism with the cannibals?", how many would be willing to tag along with me?
That and I really like 80s music and "Fine Young Cannibals" is a band name that still cracks me up from the irony.
"She drives me crazy...like no one else....she drives me crazy and I can't help myself."
Of course they will be different. Did you expect them to come home banging tambourines, flowers in their hair and skipping around maypoles on gossamer wings? Fuck, they just came back from a war. War is hell. War is as close to hell as you will ever be while still being alive. People have to be programmed to operate in any capacity in War.
If there is an error, it's in the fact that the military isn't bright enough to deprogram people. Perhaps it's not in the budget or perhaps they have a mental block against the whole concept as a defense mechanism. (no pun intended) I think you have correctly identified that there is a problem, but fear of them isn't the answer. And you as a civilian should buck the fuck up and honor them by not being a pussy and changing your perspective of them because they are "potentially dangerous". You, that have set at home safe while they served, need to do your part by welcoming them back from the jaws of Hell. Fuck yes, treat them special. Lure them back home with acceptance and support. Give them some room when they need it.
We still have veterans around that can help them, guys from the Nam are still alive. Even some Korean War guys are still around. Veterans know WTF is going on. Don't worry, they aren't going to let the young new veterans get fucked, not on their watch. Oh fuck no!
You have to deprogram returning troops. They have been seriously mind fucked. That is a given. There are things you have to deprogram them from, things they need to learn. What is sad is we have some FUCKING RETARDS in charge obviously of this aspect. And if this slips through the cracks by some monumentally stupid mistake, we will have some problems on our hands.
Especially when you drop that into a society that has twisted into a police state. That is one big recipe for disaster. Do you know what "Army of One" means? We have taken soldier training to levels the Spartans would be in awe of. We have intelligent technological savages that can operate with cold precision.* Think about it, weapons grade bad-asses will be placed in close proximity, and most likely direct confrontation with arrogant, bullying cops who have been accustomed to asserting their "god-like" authority on whomever they deem worthy of their attentions.
In the wilds where I live, we had that problem with Viet Nam vets who were animals, they would fuck cops up for sport. They ran in outlaw biker gangs and it wasn't "cool" to be a biker then. These fuckers were serious trouble. Yet another failure to deprogram troops, you would think we would learn. All in all, neglect in this department is a serious insult to our troops, and ultimately to our society.
So don't be afraid of them, don't treat them like social pariah. Lastly I need to correct everyone on this one thing; military service isn't a job, it's a duty. I hate how people label it as a "job". They can then throw soldiers away because the "job" is over. Duty, honor, country. It's amazing how these simple words can convey the essence of greatness. If you don't understand this, learn it. If you do understand this, don't forget it.
*(It could be said that this is a rather sad situation with this Iraq War, because they really don't have challenging traditional opponents. They have to contend with pussy hit and run stuff that will destroy your moral. They are a blunt object, a baseball bat being used in brain surgery. This whole Middle East shit should be all one big Intel + Black Ops campaign, not a ground war.)
I have never viewed survivalists or militia as wackos. They have a sense of pioneer spirit mixed in with national pride, which to me isn't something to be worried about. They are very misunderstood, and people tend to be afraid of what they don't understand. I find the negative attitudes often come from big city dwellers who really don't understand the complexities of country life.
On the other hand, its hard for someone who lives in the country to imagine how many people are packed into cities. Firing a gun in a city is infinitely more dangerous than firing one in the country. Big caliber rifles are insane to fire in a city unless you are highly trained and uber responsible. I can understand the paranoia about firearms in the city, but this clashes with life in the country. Gun alternatives to self defense is what is needed. With our current technology, we should have no problems replacing clumsy firearms with something more elegant. ( I think I just went Obiwan with that)
The 2nd Amendment isn't about guns, light sabers, laser rifles or muskets. It's about "the right to own and bear arms". This is from feudal days, and only the knights had the right to own and bear arms. Meaning if you were a peasant, and you fought off bandits or invaders, you were hung for being a potential traitor. They couldn't have peasants being that dangerous. Our founding father's decided that we were all Lords of the Land and the responsibilities of keeping it free where each and everyone's. We the people advocate this authority to public SERVANTS who work in our steed full time. That way the butcher, the baker and the candlestick maker can do their jobs.
Somehow this has all become seriously fucked and we are effectively back to being serfs and peasants. The 1st Amendment is the right to talk about problems and the 2nd one is the right to do something about it. It's about personal empowerment to the people. Do we have that these days? Hell no, we have a police state that hails back to feudal times. We all seriously need to ask WTF?
You don't give them enough credit and your apparent fear of them being so potentially bad is rather unkind and frankly I think unmerited.
Let's pretend you are right. They are a catalyst of chaos then that might be what is need to bring certain things to a boil. They will have a distinct sense of right and wrong and will probably be triggered off by "wrong" events that we have been too pacified to deal with. For example, kingshit cops who gets huffy and gruff over being video taped, gets handy with seasoned combat troops over something this stupid, are probably going to get their asses handed to them. Or they will fuck the wrong person up and it will set off a "Rambo" situation. The problem with that is, Rambo will be twittering, then you will have a thousand of them.
This is the information age; strike the wrong match and you can set off a social blaze that can turn the world upside down in a heartbeat. Don't think so, discuss it with some Arab leaders going through the "Arab Spring", then get back to me.
This would also make for a fun RPG, the pen and paper kind. One could use G.U.R.P.S. or create their own system, it's not hard, in fact it's rather fun. Kind of a current events gone haywire setting, with limited supplies to start...etc. Use Google Maps as the GM, things like that. It's cheap entertainment. Once upon a time, I owned a game shop, back in the RPG days. I had to GM a lot of genres on game nights. Gaming, it prepared us for about any contingency, from aliens to the zombie outbreak. I think we could set around playing Steve Jackson's Illuminati card game now and get a good hoot out of it.
People will adapt, some will not, but we can medicate them with things like that mentioned beer. Weed will keep us all mellow so we don't blast each other shitless. Don't shoot at the pot smokers, unless they shoot first. Medical personal will be priceless to have around. I can see big hospitals becoming city-states quickly.
All in all, I just want to ride out this heatwave. I know where to go to cool off in the wilds or even places in town that are underground if things went to shit and we had no electricity. I suspect the heat isn't going to let up much anytime soon. I went out in my little convertible and got a sunburn this near evening. Either I am getting old or the sun seems to cook the living shit out of me these days. If I spray on the chemicals, I am fine. I can remember when sunscreen was for soulless gingers, or pussies. I am part Cherokee (who isn't..lol Cherokee's must have fucked everyone in those days or visa versa) so that makes it worse, I used to rarely burn. I would burn ONCE at the start of the season, after that I would just get brown as hell. People still think I am Mexican, or Samoan, or Italian. I just look at them. o.O I know I digress, but the point is I shouldn't burn to a crisp, let alone burn at all. THE SUN!!11!! WTF??
Electricity is the big thing I worry about. Without it our civilization is fucking OVER as we know it. My candy ass will melt without air conditioning. I will evaporate into a pile of sugar.
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. There is a way to deal with these overly dominating out of control powers, Frank Herbert laid it out in Dune, it was a huge metaphor.
BTW, just one glass? Beer should be drank by the kegs..no? Drink yourself sober kind of drinking. I know, an oxymoron, you had to be there I guess.
When this war is over, and the vets get home, how long before some kingshit cop pushes the wrong one around? How are our troops going to like the fact our freedoms are in the toilet in spite of the fact they went to fight a war to preserve them? I am starting to think they are keeping them overseas on purpose, so that they don't have to worry about them revolting or aiding insurrections or starting them here. Our military is sworn to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States. That means if politicians start trashing the Constitution, they have not only the right, but the duty to put a fucking bullet in their heads.
These dipshits in office keep fucking around, they will have a military coup. My generation is obviously a bunch of pussies, or else we would have lynched these fuckers ourselves. I don't know about this new generation though. The brainwashing that goes on in this country is intense as fuck. This article is yet another example of how one just stands in awe at the balls of all authority figures these days. The system is a good one, but corruption is so rampant in it, it's sickening. We are seeing corruption from the lowest levels of government to the highest.
Don't think so? Take a look at Britain with this hacker scandal. Britain has always struck me as being a bit more reserved and cultured and for that much corruption going to the highest parts of it is dismaying. We KNOW we have super ambitious, money grubbing, stab your kids in the back with a butter knife for a dime, kind of people here in power. To think it's not 100 times more corrupt here is living in La La Land. We literally ARE the wild west.
Here is how I see it playing out. Dumbfuck Republicans and Democrats will fuck this up and the government will go fucking broke belling up. This is going to threaten the sovereignty of the United States in way you can't fucking imagine. I hope to fucking shout that we still have some people in high command in the military that Constitutionally say "FUCK YOU", arrest the entire lot of them, and we hold emergency elections to replace them. In the mean time, they lock the entire country the fuck down. Meaning nothing comes in, we tell ships coming this way, fuck off or we sink you. Planes, everything has to be turned back unless the military O.K.s it.
The economy will go WTF as Wall Street pisses it's self. But it will prompt local manufacturing to start up. Which will be good for the economy of the little people. The multinational cocksuckers will be fucked, Wal-Mart will not get to fuck us with all the cheap shit from China. We can uncap untold amounts of oil wells here and gas will be so fucking cheap even I will not bitch about the prices.
The bad news, lots of people will die. There will be panic, riots, more riots, cultural clashes if not mini-wars. There will of course be a split in the factions of the military, so probably up to half of it will be fighting with the other half and the UN. Fuck the UN, they will be here trying to beat down OUR military that is doing the coup. So the UN troops will come to know the horror of what we do to foreign troops in our land. If any survive they will tell horror stories for hundreds of years about our savagery, making anything out of darkest Africa, or South America, or even Hollywood, look pale in comparison to. I am talking about shit that would give Hannibal Lecter and Colonel Kurtz a nervous breakdown.
The whole world will collectively piss it's self. After all, when it comes to nukes we invented the game, which means we have plenty of them around. And we have plenty of crazy fuckers who would use them on OURSELVES in a heart beat. That means when we are over the rainbow, batshit crazy, fighting it out with each other, that if you fuck with us, we will probably nuke you shitless, then get back to the business of fucking each other up.
People have been seething pissed for decades now. Cops are under some impression that they could survive the public deciding to off the entire lot of them. Frankly they don't h
Clinton is onto something. I think also our massive amounts of concrete are contributing to a warming effect as well. Concrete will set and sizzle in the heat of day and retain plenty of heat into the night, releasing it, producing heat when things should be cooling. I have noticed in my town, I can take a quick drive out to the country and the temperature is lower once I get outside of town. I always thought it was because my town sets on the gate to Hell, and we are all living there so we don't have to go far when we die.
But consider all the elements of mankind that contribute to a heat burden, it has to add up.
Now the paranoid part of me thinks about all the roofs painted white as making them easy to target from above! Is Bill helping out his Chinese buddies with perhaps making easier targets of us all when they want to blast us from above? Its hard for me to listen to anything Bill has to say considering I think he is the biggest traitor to America in our history in regards to his Chinese involvements. His bullshit was easily forgot when Bush got behind the wheel and mashed the gas pedal to the floorboard, driving us off another cliff. At least it was a step in another direction, right? (wrong)
All in all, I have to say "Fuck you, Bill" and chock this one up with "duct tape and plastic" as some of the stupidest suggestions in the long history of stupidity coming forth from officials.
A pesky thing, a big information network the free people of the world can use, if you are trying to control them all. So why not break it and fragment it with idiot laws? It will not take long to control it completely once it's properly "broken". They aren't as dumb as you think they are.
While attending jr college in my home town, I was dismayed at the baseball program and how it was holy. I hate the jocks, they got treatment that nobody else did, they could miss classes or NOT EVEN ATTEND THEM AT ALL. It wasn't just that, they imported people from other countries. Ours is a poor community and it would have been great if some local kids got the free ride that these non English speaking tools got.
I think our fascination and worship of sports will be our downfall. Putting it with academia is a horrible mistake. It has NO place currently the way it is now anywhere near academia.
The problem with USSR was the commie party was a bunch of thugs. Thugs don't report other thugs and move up the ladder. They had it all nailed down tight and there was an element that allowed them to rule with fear and the iron fist.
It's not that we are more moral here, but we have a system that isn't completely locked down by any single element. You pull crazy extortion stunts like that here, and someone is going to lose their mind on you eventually. It's just the kind of chink in your armor that someone probably near to you will exploit and stick it to you. In this free range environment, too many things can go wrong with a good conspiracy, and you really don't have the solid system that the USSR did to fall back on and protect you. There is going to be someone playing "goodie two shoes" and spoil the party, especially if they aren't getting their cut. Or you can just have enemies who will find something out and burn you. Let's not forget the "crusaders", those who really are absorbed in "doing the right thing."
Freedom of speech and press are complete buzz kill for this kind of stuff. As screwy as our system is, it's working in spite of us, them and itself. So far anyway...sort of...lol.
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I understand, as far as I am concerned the gaming industry can collectively go blow itself. It needs consumer rights and some regulation in my opinion. Life has plenty of other things to do beside computer gaming, which is shocking blasphemy to some, but oh well.
At the risk of bad karma, the Nazis were also a small vocal party that ended up dominating Germany. I wonder if their formula applies across the board? It does sound kind of shaky. There are lots of "10%" in this country alone, how do they explain us not flip flopping from one to the other idea? Also, how do they explain issues on which we have about a 50/50 split?
I was married 13 years, /. flames bounce off my upper atmosphere after that kind of conditioning.
It might explain the Tea Party then.
I am a habitual gun jumper, I will admit that. I like to leap on things, they tend to not squirm away as easy.
Ok, here is probably where I train wrecked. Pioneer is slowing down. That is a given, right? They are fielding this "heat" theory, but not quite 100% about it either, but it sounds good, right? Didn't the boys do the long math and say, "nope it's not perturbations of gravity?" Then didn't someone mention it was slowing at exponential rates? Exponential rates?? Wouldn't that mean its going to come to a stop soon then? Unless exponential has changed since I was a 5th grader, isn't that something to be a bit concerned with?
Granted, without doubt I am late to the party, but can I still ask questions and field an explanation of my own? Wacky and convoluted as it maybe, it still reminds me of that little lump of sugar that defiantly swirls around in the bowl, then gets sucked back into the beaters when I used to mix up home made frosting. Granted the model I present is goofy and doesn't represent the insane amount of variables and the dimensions and scope of it all. (Unless I drop the mixer in a giant bowl of frosting where it is suspended, running without the power cord to muck up the works.)
I thought it was something that we really didn't know and thus is an exciting opportunity to discover something fresh and new. Sorry, back to "meh" then.
Ah yes, well lets hear your hypothesis? Or do you have the balls to put one out here? Or can you even formulate one? Even a extremely convoluted one? Anonymous Coward is rightly named.
Thanks for not remarking like a condescending prick.
Pioneer is the first point of view that isn't taken from within our solar system. Besides, as far as being ruled out by these experiments, isn't the fact that they were conducted within the solar system's sphere of influence tainting them? Wouldn't we have to work out where Pioneer is with these experiments to really qualify them?
Also, pardon my 5 minute analysis of the presented information. A mystery such as what is up with Pioneer to me is exciting. If it's not reacting as predicted, this is always exciting, no? Even the "heat" theory could lead to something tangible. I am just the kind of person that if I think I see elephant toenails, I look for the entire elephant.
Anyone who dares to dream or think outside the box must brace themselves for the snarky to angry remarks from the mental lemmings. Those who refuse to dream or think outside the box are doom to stay in it. Human intelligence is built upon previous works. We just don't have the lifespans to get very far alone. We have to pick up the torch via education, then run with it a ways further on our own. This helps progress us. If you haven't noticed, we need some progression. We have an overpopulated planet and all of humanities eggs in one basket.
Sorry, "but physics laws that we know is enough" aren't going to cut it. They weren't when we thought the world was flat, and they aren't going to cut it now. I know it's tough for some to still dream after the discipline of completing an education. It's a system that has fell in love with the sound of it's own voice, thinks that it's the high pentacle of knowledge, and it is the gatekeeper of high intellect. Sadly, it often reproduces, just what it is and nothing more. One can't blame the system completely, many just aren't suited for the task.
Doesn't this hubris get popped like a balloon time after time in history? Thankfully yes, or else we would be still steering clear of the edge of the world.
There be monsters out there.
You really have to love a mystery like this and especially when it's concerning something of this magnitude. The heat theory is seriously grasping at straws when they should be thinking outside the box on this one. Our human perceptive abilities are limited giving us naturally a skewed look at things. This might be a case of not seeing the forest for all the trees in the way.
Humor me please. The boys have done the long math and figured it wasn't from a gravitational effect. Groovy, but it's decelerating still, so WTF? Time to look at the really big picture. This probe is far enough out that it shouldn't be dicked with anything from the solar system. What is out there then? "Nothing" you say? I say there is no such thing as "nothing". Nature abhors a vacuum. We just can't see it.
I am talking about the fabric of space/time. If the probe is "catching" on the fabric, this is great news. This means we have a tangible effect from it that we can study. Considering if it's a kind of "fabric" while in the solar system where we have a sun and planets acting like an egg beater of sorts, trying to study the effects of the fabric would be like trying to study a fart in a tornado. But out in deep La La Land Space it's subtle effects become noticeable.
So, who cares? Effects are two way streets. If the fabric effects matter to the point of deceleration on our little pan-galactic hockey puck, this means it's tangible in some way. This opens up a big can of worms, meaning we can learn to effect it or just side step it, or fold it like a wash rag, who knows?
Consider this, if it is a space/time fabric decelerating it, it makes sense that it would feel the effects out of the solar system. Think of the egg beaters again, but upgrade that to Kitchen Aid blender and you are making icing. Where the beaters are whipping things the consistency of the mix is thin due to the agitation of the blades, but as you venture out from the blades the icing starts to take on a thicker consistency. This is why you have to move the bowl around or the blades around to speed up the process. If you just let it set, the current from it will eventually suck everything back into the beaters. This is probably the effect it's having on the probe. Sure it was easy to move through the mix while in the beaters, the icing was thin, but it's thicker away from the beaters and it has a current to it.
This is probably a great thing or else we would probably have a lot more crap whizzing through the universe, but if these things get stuck in the icing, they get sucked back into the beaters, burned up, etc. Anyway, I think this is great news!
For voodoo practitioners this should be an massive upgrade.
Organic Technology is some awesome stuff and definitely where it's all at. What we need first is proper neural interfaces with existing technology and we should be sharing this as a species in our universities. Frankly, we need to get over the concept of "war" and except the fact we have differences and in fact rejoice because of them. I don't want to lecture on the logic of that particular subject at the moment. But with those "war" resources turned to science, we can be out gallivanting about the galaxy or even universe, out there we will find challenges that will make us all happy as pigs in slop to have as many human beings breathing as possible. The very thought of shooting each other would be laughable.
Genetic engineering, working with the very building blocks of God. Some heady stuff, and we should embrace is as a species before some bastards in our ranks uses it to fuck us all over in a global way.
We as organic creatures, we absorb nutrients, then convert this into building blocks and repair ourselves. We unlock those secrets and we not only cure everything we can imagine in illnesses, but we also cure aging. We get to cure having a little dick. Or a big fat ass. We get to seriously start augmenting humans until we are no longer purely human. Imagine authoring our DNA so that it absorbs metals, converts them into a biological alloy that then becomes our skeletal and muscular system? We would engineer our bodies to adapt to about any environment, to never die, so that the sum of our knowledge grows exponentially, as we interface with all data.
We can then develop senses beyond what we have now so that we can view the universe in ways we can't comprehend now. Imagine being able to see like Jordi? The experiments one could do with math and observations of the various spectrum one could observe. You could be engineered to see sound. We could evolve as a species within the lifetimes of many of us.
We need this. The entire species is located (as far as we know) on just ONE planet at the moment. We are fucking around with all of our eggs in one basket; one planet killer event and we are all GONE. That and we have an entire universe to fuck with, and we all fight about retarded shit here, makes me want to "Three Stooges Slap" the entire human race to wake them up. When we get important, scary, power discoveries, it's really vital that we all resist the overwhelming urge to "go full retard". No?
From your post I think you are curious about "the soul". Who wouldn't be? It's amazing stuff, and it's metaphysical, which means it's beyond current understanding sadly. I wouldn't get too excited about losing your soul, because the mechanics of that are too hard to be fucked with by hardware that we currently dick around with. Get back to that subject after we have some cyber augmentations and develop more outlooks on our universe. But I hear you, "I think, therefor I am." If we clone a brain like a harddrive and put the new one in to replace an old one, will it still be "us" in that brain?
Brain clone tech is not to be thought of in terms of our clunky computers. This will be an organic tech, and the tech will need to be able to transfer the consciousness into the new. We will unravel quite a few "secrets" of the universe, gain fresh perspectives on time/space, math will also evolve exponentially just in the "brain clone tech" alone.
Ultimately, we will fuck around and meet "God". Unless he's still playing position and has things still on some "plan". I am betting he does, because he's beyond the tech that even I dream up. With such a mind that can think things into being. Too me that isn't such a stretch considering energy/matter relationships. The problem is we are like a science experiment that one has to wait generations of our years to observe the reactions and developments thereof. We are probably like fruit flies in relevance to such an entity.
Of course the big picture question to ask him would be "WTF are you doing growing sentient life forms like this on this rock for?" Were you bored? Lonely? Have a job for us? All of the above? Are we the first? Are there other gardens around?" Nag nag nag! Create life forms and all they do is nag you to death. ...anyway.
How about we do the logical thing and nationalize weapons production. Doesn't it make sense that the Army guys get to build their own shit? Don't they know WTF they need the most and put the most heart and care into it? Tap that into a free advanced education for enlistment, and you get some highly technical people cranking out awesome projects. Don't you think it would be a great source of revenue for the country as well? Considering we sell arms all over the damn world. Shouldn't we the people be reaping the reward for our tax dollars spent? Why do we have the middleman in this one? Considering the middle man takes giant bites and is a source of us getting bent over and fucked for over a hundred years; you would think we would wise up by now.
And this IT problem is fucking disgraceful. This is what happens when you let lobbyists and private contractors into the defense department, when it should have it's own IT people building WTF they have, and be using something that is far better than the current industry's standards. Sweet Jesus, who's spending the fucking money in there? At least dictate to them YOUR standard so they will manufacture it so you don't look like a bunch of fucktards with non-interlocking/compatible systems. Or are they afraid of the Cylons? If they stood up and said "We keep our shit fragmented like idiots, so that no intelligence can penetrate it.". I would fall the fuck over dead from the irony, but I would stand up and applaud them from my casket.
Hearing shit like this is either disinformation or fucking disheartening. Ok, let's pretend it was all "hookers and blow" and whatever, lets move along to fixing the problem. Leave the recriminations for after work at the bar. (the one without the hookers and blow, I know it's not as much fun, but we have shit to do)
Cannibalism is always good for shock and awe. Think of it on a psy-ops level, does it not inspire a deep primal horror? It involves a deep level of commitment, don't you think as well? Notice in how regions in the deep darkest jungles where cannibalism happens, these areas are eschewed by outsiders? If I said, "hey lets go do some free lance journalism with the cannibals?", how many would be willing to tag along with me?
That and I really like 80s music and "Fine Young Cannibals" is a band name that still cracks me up from the irony.
"She drives me crazy...like no one else....she drives me crazy and I can't help myself."
Of course they will be different. Did you expect them to come home banging tambourines, flowers in their hair and skipping around maypoles on gossamer wings? Fuck, they just came back from a war. War is hell. War is as close to hell as you will ever be while still being alive. People have to be programmed to operate in any capacity in War.
If there is an error, it's in the fact that the military isn't bright enough to deprogram people. Perhaps it's not in the budget or perhaps they have a mental block against the whole concept as a defense mechanism. (no pun intended) I think you have correctly identified that there is a problem, but fear of them isn't the answer. And you as a civilian should buck the fuck up and honor them by not being a pussy and changing your perspective of them because they are "potentially dangerous". You, that have set at home safe while they served, need to do your part by welcoming them back from the jaws of Hell. Fuck yes, treat them special. Lure them back home with acceptance and support. Give them some room when they need it.
We still have veterans around that can help them, guys from the Nam are still alive. Even some Korean War guys are still around. Veterans know WTF is going on. Don't worry, they aren't going to let the young new veterans get fucked, not on their watch. Oh fuck no!
You have to deprogram returning troops. They have been seriously mind fucked. That is a given. There are things you have to deprogram them from, things they need to learn. What is sad is we have some FUCKING RETARDS in charge obviously of this aspect. And if this slips through the cracks by some monumentally stupid mistake, we will have some problems on our hands.
Especially when you drop that into a society that has twisted into a police state. That is one big recipe for disaster. Do you know what "Army of One" means? We have taken soldier training to levels the Spartans would be in awe of. We have intelligent technological savages that can operate with cold precision.* Think about it, weapons grade bad-asses will be placed in close proximity, and most likely direct confrontation with arrogant, bullying cops who have been accustomed to asserting their "god-like" authority on whomever they deem worthy of their attentions.
In the wilds where I live, we had that problem with Viet Nam vets who were animals, they would fuck cops up for sport. They ran in outlaw biker gangs and it wasn't "cool" to be a biker then. These fuckers were serious trouble. Yet another failure to deprogram troops, you would think we would learn. All in all, neglect in this department is a serious insult to our troops, and ultimately to our society.
So don't be afraid of them, don't treat them like social pariah. Lastly I need to correct everyone on this one thing; military service isn't a job, it's a duty. I hate how people label it as a "job". They can then throw soldiers away because the "job" is over. Duty, honor, country. It's amazing how these simple words can convey the essence of greatness. If you don't understand this, learn it. If you do understand this, don't forget it.
*(It could be said that this is a rather sad situation with this Iraq War, because they really don't have challenging traditional opponents. They have to contend with pussy hit and run stuff that will destroy your moral. They are a blunt object, a baseball bat being used in brain surgery. This whole Middle East shit should be all one big Intel + Black Ops campaign, not a ground war.)
I have never viewed survivalists or militia as wackos. They have a sense of pioneer spirit mixed in with national pride, which to me isn't something to be worried about. They are very misunderstood, and people tend to be afraid of what they don't understand. I find the negative attitudes often come from big city dwellers who really don't understand the complexities of country life.
On the other hand, its hard for someone who lives in the country to imagine how many people are packed into cities. Firing a gun in a city is infinitely more dangerous than firing one in the country. Big caliber rifles are insane to fire in a city unless you are highly trained and uber responsible. I can understand the paranoia about firearms in the city, but this clashes with life in the country. Gun alternatives to self defense is what is needed. With our current technology, we should have no problems replacing clumsy firearms with something more elegant. ( I think I just went Obiwan with that)
The 2nd Amendment isn't about guns, light sabers, laser rifles or muskets. It's about "the right to own and bear arms". This is from feudal days, and only the knights had the right to own and bear arms. Meaning if you were a peasant, and you fought off bandits or invaders, you were hung for being a potential traitor. They couldn't have peasants being that dangerous. Our founding father's decided that we were all Lords of the Land and the responsibilities of keeping it free where each and everyone's. We the people advocate this authority to public SERVANTS who work in our steed full time. That way the butcher, the baker and the candlestick maker can do their jobs.
Somehow this has all become seriously fucked and we are effectively back to being serfs and peasants. The 1st Amendment is the right to talk about problems and the 2nd one is the right to do something about it. It's about personal empowerment to the people. Do we have that these days? Hell no, we have a police state that hails back to feudal times. We all seriously need to ask WTF?
You don't give them enough credit and your apparent fear of them being so potentially bad is rather unkind and frankly I think unmerited.
Let's pretend you are right. They are a catalyst of chaos then that might be what is need to bring certain things to a boil. They will have a distinct sense of right and wrong and will probably be triggered off by "wrong" events that we have been too pacified to deal with. For example, kingshit cops who gets huffy and gruff over being video taped, gets handy with seasoned combat troops over something this stupid, are probably going to get their asses handed to them. Or they will fuck the wrong person up and it will set off a "Rambo" situation. The problem with that is, Rambo will be twittering, then you will have a thousand of them.
This is the information age; strike the wrong match and you can set off a social blaze that can turn the world upside down in a heartbeat. Don't think so, discuss it with some Arab leaders going through the "Arab Spring", then get back to me.
This would also make for a fun RPG, the pen and paper kind. One could use G.U.R.P.S. or create their own system, it's not hard, in fact it's rather fun. Kind of a current events gone haywire setting, with limited supplies to start...etc. Use Google Maps as the GM, things like that. It's cheap entertainment. Once upon a time, I owned a game shop, back in the RPG days. I had to GM a lot of genres on game nights. Gaming, it prepared us for about any contingency, from aliens to the zombie outbreak. I think we could set around playing Steve Jackson's Illuminati card game now and get a good hoot out of it.
Until the janitor knocks the plug out with his buffer.
Fucker! lol, I ran and checked though. I did. Let me beat you to it, they need upped, right?
People will adapt, some will not, but we can medicate them with things like that mentioned beer. Weed will keep us all mellow so we don't blast each other shitless. Don't shoot at the pot smokers, unless they shoot first. Medical personal will be priceless to have around. I can see big hospitals becoming city-states quickly.
All in all, I just want to ride out this heatwave. I know where to go to cool off in the wilds or even places in town that are underground if things went to shit and we had no electricity. I suspect the heat isn't going to let up much anytime soon. I went out in my little convertible and got a sunburn this near evening. Either I am getting old or the sun seems to cook the living shit out of me these days. If I spray on the chemicals, I am fine. I can remember when sunscreen was for soulless gingers, or pussies. I am part Cherokee (who isn't..lol Cherokee's must have fucked everyone in those days or visa versa) so that makes it worse, I used to rarely burn. I would burn ONCE at the start of the season, after that I would just get brown as hell. People still think I am Mexican, or Samoan, or Italian. I just look at them. o.O I know I digress, but the point is I shouldn't burn to a crisp, let alone burn at all. THE SUN!!11!! WTF??
Electricity is the big thing I worry about. Without it our civilization is fucking OVER as we know it. My candy ass will melt without air conditioning. I will evaporate into a pile of sugar.
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There is a way to deal with these overly dominating out of control powers, Frank Herbert laid it out in Dune, it was a huge metaphor.
BTW, just one glass? Beer should be drank by the kegs..no? Drink yourself sober kind of drinking. I know, an oxymoron, you had to be there I guess.
When this war is over, and the vets get home, how long before some kingshit cop pushes the wrong one around? How are our troops going to like the fact our freedoms are in the toilet in spite of the fact they went to fight a war to preserve them? I am starting to think they are keeping them overseas on purpose, so that they don't have to worry about them revolting or aiding insurrections or starting them here. Our military is sworn to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States. That means if politicians start trashing the Constitution, they have not only the right, but the duty to put a fucking bullet in their heads.
These dipshits in office keep fucking around, they will have a military coup. My generation is obviously a bunch of pussies, or else we would have lynched these fuckers ourselves. I don't know about this new generation though. The brainwashing that goes on in this country is intense as fuck. This article is yet another example of how one just stands in awe at the balls of all authority figures these days. The system is a good one, but corruption is so rampant in it, it's sickening. We are seeing corruption from the lowest levels of government to the highest.
Don't think so? Take a look at Britain with this hacker scandal. Britain has always struck me as being a bit more reserved and cultured and for that much corruption going to the highest parts of it is dismaying. We KNOW we have super ambitious, money grubbing, stab your kids in the back with a butter knife for a dime, kind of people here in power. To think it's not 100 times more corrupt here is living in La La Land. We literally ARE the wild west.
Here is how I see it playing out. Dumbfuck Republicans and Democrats will fuck this up and the government will go fucking broke belling up. This is going to threaten the sovereignty of the United States in way you can't fucking imagine. I hope to fucking shout that we still have some people in high command in the military that Constitutionally say "FUCK YOU", arrest the entire lot of them, and we hold emergency elections to replace them. In the mean time, they lock the entire country the fuck down. Meaning nothing comes in, we tell ships coming this way, fuck off or we sink you. Planes, everything has to be turned back unless the military O.K.s it.
The economy will go WTF as Wall Street pisses it's self. But it will prompt local manufacturing to start up. Which will be good for the economy of the little people. The multinational cocksuckers will be fucked, Wal-Mart will not get to fuck us with all the cheap shit from China. We can uncap untold amounts of oil wells here and gas will be so fucking cheap even I will not bitch about the prices.
The bad news, lots of people will die. There will be panic, riots, more riots, cultural clashes if not mini-wars. There will of course be a split in the factions of the military, so probably up to half of it will be fighting with the other half and the UN. Fuck the UN, they will be here trying to beat down OUR military that is doing the coup. So the UN troops will come to know the horror of what we do to foreign troops in our land. If any survive they will tell horror stories for hundreds of years about our savagery, making anything out of darkest Africa, or South America, or even Hollywood, look pale in comparison to. I am talking about shit that would give Hannibal Lecter and Colonel Kurtz a nervous breakdown.
The whole world will collectively piss it's self. After all, when it comes to nukes we invented the game, which means we have plenty of them around. And we have plenty of crazy fuckers who would use them on OURSELVES in a heart beat. That means when we are over the rainbow, batshit crazy, fighting it out with each other, that if you fuck with us, we will probably nuke you shitless, then get back to the business of fucking each other up.
People have been seething pissed for decades now. Cops are under some impression that they could survive the public deciding to off the entire lot of them. Frankly they don't h
Clinton is onto something. I think also our massive amounts of concrete are contributing to a warming effect as well. Concrete will set and sizzle in the heat of day and retain plenty of heat into the night, releasing it, producing heat when things should be cooling. I have noticed in my town, I can take a quick drive out to the country and the temperature is lower once I get outside of town. I always thought it was because my town sets on the gate to Hell, and we are all living there so we don't have to go far when we die.
But consider all the elements of mankind that contribute to a heat burden, it has to add up.
Now the paranoid part of me thinks about all the roofs painted white as making them easy to target from above! Is Bill helping out his Chinese buddies with perhaps making easier targets of us all when they want to blast us from above? Its hard for me to listen to anything Bill has to say considering I think he is the biggest traitor to America in our history in regards to his Chinese involvements. His bullshit was easily forgot when Bush got behind the wheel and mashed the gas pedal to the floorboard, driving us off another cliff. At least it was a step in another direction, right? (wrong)
All in all, I have to say "Fuck you, Bill" and chock this one up with "duct tape and plastic" as some of the stupidest suggestions in the long history of stupidity coming forth from officials.
A pesky thing, a big information network the free people of the world can use, if you are trying to control them all. So why not break it and fragment it with idiot laws? It will not take long to control it completely once it's properly "broken". They aren't as dumb as you think they are.
While attending jr college in my home town, I was dismayed at the baseball program and how it was holy. I hate the jocks, they got treatment that nobody else did, they could miss classes or NOT EVEN ATTEND THEM AT ALL. It wasn't just that, they imported people from other countries. Ours is a poor community and it would have been great if some local kids got the free ride that these non English speaking tools got.
I think our fascination and worship of sports will be our downfall. Putting it with academia is a horrible mistake. It has NO place currently the way it is now anywhere near academia.
The problem with USSR was the commie party was a bunch of thugs. Thugs don't report other thugs and move up the ladder. They had it all nailed down tight and there was an element that allowed them to rule with fear and the iron fist.
It's not that we are more moral here, but we have a system that isn't completely locked down by any single element. You pull crazy extortion stunts like that here, and someone is going to lose their mind on you eventually. It's just the kind of chink in your armor that someone probably near to you will exploit and stick it to you. In this free range environment, too many things can go wrong with a good conspiracy, and you really don't have the solid system that the USSR did to fall back on and protect you. There is going to be someone playing "goodie two shoes" and spoil the party, especially if they aren't getting their cut. Or you can just have enemies who will find something out and burn you. Let's not forget the "crusaders", those who really are absorbed in "doing the right thing."
Freedom of speech and press are complete buzz kill for this kind of stuff. As screwy as our system is, it's working in spite of us, them and itself. So far anyway...sort of ...lol.