The FreeBSD project learned it's lesson on this long ago. ftp.freebsd.org is now just a tier-1 mirror, just like any other tier-1 mirror. However, the master site is not publically available.
Also, if you guys want the REAL release announcement, go here
What are the gotchas? Should I put something on the release TODO list? Very little is changing from RC3 to 5.0R, so I'd like to know if you have actual information here.
I hate to say this, but this 'guide' is rather useless and looks to be little more than a reprint of marketing glossies. Don't get me wrong, I love OSX. But to imply that you can easily port MFC apps to Cocoa is humorous. Even rewriting an MFC app in Cocoa will most likely be highly frustrating due to your engineers having to change their mentality from one to the other.
As others have pointed out, you should always read the/usr/src/UPDATING file if you're going to do an upgrade from source. There is also an Early Adopter's Guide available on the installation media that would be a good idea to read (it might be on the web also, but I can't find it at the moment.). That said, FreeBSD 5.0 has quite a number of experimental features. Some of them, like the new GEOM block layer, are non-optional and change traditional behavior in ways that make upgrading hard. I have successfully upgraded from source, but it's very tricky. My advice would be to back up your data and install fresh.
I appreciate the submitter's enthusiasm with submitting this article, but it really doesn't come across well. RC2 is available now, though it probably hasn't reached all of the mirrors yet because I jumped the gun with announcing it. And yes, 5.0-RELEASE is scheduled for Jan 17. There will be an RC3 on Jan 10 in order to verify that some last-minute bug fixes don't cause more regressions. Still, I encourage everyone to give it a try and let us know how it works for you.
Antic was crap compared to Analog. Analog always published cool programs and insightful articles, while Antic wanted to be the PC Magazine of Atari. It's a shame that medocrity is remembered so well.
Well, I was in the Navy too, based in San Diego. I can honestly say that SD is a cakewalk compared to some of the places that you mentioned. The Seaman's club in Dubai is a lot of fun, but try getting abandoned in the middle of that city with no money or wallet (painful story of corrupt CPO omitted). All of the sudden, it gets really scary, really, really fast. Especially since it was 1998 and the US had just launched missiles on a couple of Muslim countries. It beats late night Tijuana or Ocean Beach by a factor of 10 on the fear scale.
So let me guess... you were on a destroyer, and probably served as a Radioman or OS? Never Again Volunteer Yourself!
Printing all you source onto paper and throwing into a fire is usally safer than SourceSafe. Is it any wonder than MS doesn't "eat their own dog food" in this respect? I'm too lazy to dig up the references, but it's a well known secret that WinNT/2K/etc is developed on Perforce.
$5,800 for a single license, and then $1,200 / year starting the second year...
I'd like to point out that Perforce licenses cost on a fraction of that. Plus, you can request free licenses if you are a private person and developing open source software. Look here. The company that I work buys commercial licenses for the work that my group does, and I have a free licensed server at home for my work. Everybody wins
free and open bsd use cvs for one thing; they are not small.
Actually, most of the interesting, complicated, and/or highly distributed work in FreeBSD happens in Perforce. The only thing that CVS gives us that Perforce doesn't have is the ability to replicate the repository. Unfortunately, that's also 90% of the reason why haven't fully switched over to Perforce.
Moderators, I'm just stating the obvious here, please move along...
This is different from, for example, taking part in a conversation, which the brain will treat as a less interuptable activity. This is why talking on a cell phone while driving is considerably more dangerous than listening to music while driving - your brain will continue to concentrate on the conversation even when something else (a red light, a driver cutting into your lane, a child crossing the street) should grab your immediate attention.
Hey, I hate loosers who talk on their cell phone while driving just as much as the next guy, but statements like yours seem a bit overly-broad. What about holding a conversation with a passenger? Is that going to interrupt too much processing power? What about dealing with screaming kids in the back seat? If using cell phones are so dangerous that we need to criminalize their use while driving, then we should criminalize these other activites too.
Look, all you clowns keep on saying, "In 1999, Adaptec snubbed Linux. Therefore, they suck!" For you're information, it's now 2002, and Adaptec is not snubbing Linux. Here is a good place to look. Adaptec writes all of it's drivers in house (with the exception of the aacraid driver, it's been a joint effort with RedHat) and gives them official support. We participate in the mailing lists and work closely with the vendors. We feed bugfixes back to the community, even when they aren't for our code. We have a public presence and respond to everyone who emails us. About the only thing we don't do is tape a $100 bill to all of our products and ship them for free to you.
I would like to see your new SCSI layer could you post a URL? It is GPL afterall you don't need anybodys permission to post a patch. If your ideas are good I am sure that it will get in the kernel one way or another.
I know I shouldn't respond to trolls, but I'm already having a pissy day. Because of lack of support from Leonard, we never wrote the code. Why? Because it would have been a waste of our time; our goal was to write code that would be accepted into the official distributions and the Linus tree. Without the support of someone like Leonard and VA, the success of this couldn't be guaranteed. Too bad, your loss. Take your GPL whining somewhere else. Oh, and if you're thinking, "I bet this guy is full of crap," we (my team, though not I) already wrote a very successfull SCSI layer... go look at FreeBSD.
He told me when Adaptec finally stopped disavowing the existance of Linux, they came to VA and said "We're sorry. Can we play with Linux now?" and lnz said, "No. Too late." He'd already schooled them on Linux from the grassroots on up, forcing them to acknowledge an emerging market.
I really am sorry to hear of Mr. Zubkoff's death, and I certainly do not wish to disrepect him, but this comment is totally and completely wrong. I was one of the Adaptec guys in that meeting. The conversation was something like this:
We're working on officially supporting Linux. One thing that we noticed is that the Linux SCSI layer really, really, really sucks. We'd like to rewrite it, but we need your political support.
I agree that the SCSI layer needs to be fixed, but I'd rather fix it myself than support you. Goodbye.
There was no "schooling us on Linux from the grassroots up", only a rather rude snub at our offer to make Linux better. That was 15 months ago, and we haven't seen any significant progress towards fixing the SCSI layer, other than the patches for bugfixes that we come up with and submit ourselves.
You attempt to troll Adaptec for something that you obviously were not a part of is not appreciated. Look at all of the SCSI vendors out there and tell me which gives better support for Linux? All of our drivers are GPL and we give bug fixes back to the community when we find them. What's your problem?
I'm a big Java supported, but this is unfortunate. It will only serve to make Java less relevant. You'd think that Sun could have worked out something with donating the licensing fees and made it a 'goodwill' guesture towards the Java community. Oh well.
Just the other day I was cleaning out a box of old college-era stuff and came across my boxed copy of Sam and Max, floppies and all. We always used to get a kick out of the sceen where people are bungie jumping off the noses of the presidents at Mt. Rushmore, since they looked like big boogers. The 'Second Largest Ball of Twine' or whatever it was was hilarious too. /nostalgia
Sorry, no flame was intended. I felt that your comment about tag sliding could be misinterpretted, but I also wanted to definitely answer the question of the OP with a cvsup file that was appropriate for what he (appeared to) asked for.
Slashdot Mirror
I'm easily amused, I guess ;-)
Soul Ride is limited to Windows (9X, NT, 2000) for now.
Gee, that's funny. I guess the Linux version that I've been playing for the last two months has just been a warped dream. Maybe not?
Ouch, your anonymous comments are so biting and hurtful! I guess I'll just slink away now that I been told off. I'm so hurt!
On all, it was very unprofessional of the Slashdot editorial team.
This question has already been addressed in the Early Adopter's Guide, which was referenced in the official release announcement.
The FreeBSD project learned it's lesson on this long ago. ftp.freebsd.org is now just a tier-1 mirror, just like any other tier-1 mirror. However, the master site is not publically available.
Also, if you guys want the REAL release announcement, go here
Thanks for the feedback. We are looking at this right now.
What are the gotchas? Should I put something on the release TODO list? Very little is changing from RC3 to 5.0R, so I'd like to know if you have actual information here.
Hey, you look like a good candidate for the release engineering team!
:-)
I hate to say this, but this 'guide' is rather useless and looks to be little more than a reprint of marketing glossies. Don't get me wrong, I love OSX. But to imply that you can easily port MFC apps to Cocoa is humorous. Even rewriting an MFC app in Cocoa will most likely be highly frustrating due to your engineers having to change their mentality from one to the other.
It is a dupe. The first article was a very poor paraphrasing of the announcement.
As others have pointed out, you should always read the /usr/src/UPDATING file if you're going to do an upgrade from source. There is also an Early Adopter's Guide available on the installation media that would be a good idea to read (it might be on the web also, but I can't find it at the moment.). That said, FreeBSD 5.0 has quite a number of experimental features. Some of them, like the new GEOM block layer, are non-optional and change traditional behavior in ways that make upgrading hard. I have successfully upgraded from source, but it's very tricky. My advice would be to back up your data and install fresh.
I appreciate the submitter's enthusiasm with submitting this article, but it really doesn't come across well. RC2 is available now, though it probably hasn't reached all of the mirrors yet because I jumped the gun with announcing it. And yes, 5.0-RELEASE is scheduled for Jan 17. There will be an RC3 on Jan 10 in order to verify that some last-minute bug fixes don't cause more regressions. Still, I encourage everyone to give it a try and let us know how it works for you.
Antic was crap compared to Analog. Analog always published cool programs and insightful articles, while Antic wanted to be the PC Magazine of Atari. It's a shame that medocrity is remembered so well.
Well, I was in the Navy too, based in San Diego. I can honestly say that SD is a cakewalk compared to some of the places that you mentioned. The Seaman's club in Dubai is a lot of fun, but try getting abandoned in the middle of that city with no money or wallet (painful story of corrupt CPO omitted). All of the sudden, it gets really scary, really, really fast. Especially since it was 1998 and the US had just launched missiles on a couple of Muslim countries. It beats late night Tijuana or Ocean Beach by a factor of 10 on the fear scale.
So let me guess... you were on a destroyer, and probably served as a Radioman or OS? Never Again Volunteer Yourself!
Printing all you source onto paper and throwing into a fire is usally safer than SourceSafe. Is it any wonder than MS doesn't "eat their own dog food" in this respect? I'm too lazy to dig up the references, but it's a well known secret that WinNT/2K/etc is developed on Perforce.
$5,800 for a single license, and then $1,200 / year starting the second year...
I'd like to point out that Perforce licenses cost on a fraction of that. Plus, you can request free licenses if you are a private person and developing open source software. Look here. The company that I work buys commercial licenses for the work that my group does, and I have a free licensed server at home for my work. Everybody wins
free and open bsd use cvs for one thing; they are not small.
Actually, most of the interesting, complicated, and/or highly distributed work in FreeBSD happens in Perforce. The only thing that CVS gives us that Perforce doesn't have is the ability to replicate the repository. Unfortunately, that's also 90% of the reason why haven't fully switched over to Perforce.
Moderators, I'm just stating the obvious here, please move along...
This is different from, for example, taking part in a conversation, which the brain will treat as a less interuptable activity. This is why talking on a cell phone while driving is considerably more dangerous than listening to music while driving - your brain will continue to concentrate on the conversation even when something else (a red light, a driver cutting into your lane, a child crossing the street) should grab your immediate attention.
Hey, I hate loosers who talk on their cell phone while driving just as much as the next guy, but statements like yours seem a bit overly-broad. What about holding a conversation with a passenger? Is that going to interrupt too much processing power? What about dealing with screaming kids in the back seat? If using cell phones are so dangerous that we need to criminalize their use while driving, then we should criminalize these other activites too.
Look, all you clowns keep on saying, "In 1999, Adaptec snubbed Linux. Therefore, they suck!" For you're information, it's now 2002, and Adaptec is not snubbing Linux. Here is a good place to look. Adaptec writes all of it's drivers in house (with the exception of the aacraid driver, it's been a joint effort with RedHat) and gives them official support. We participate in the mailing lists and work closely with the vendors. We feed bugfixes back to the community, even when they aren't for our code. We have a public presence and respond to everyone who emails us. About the only thing we don't do is tape a $100 bill to all of our products and ship them for free to you.
I would like to see your new SCSI layer could you post a URL? It is GPL afterall you don't need anybodys permission to post a patch. If your ideas are good I am sure that it will get in the kernel one way or another.
I know I shouldn't respond to trolls, but I'm already having a pissy day. Because of lack of support from Leonard, we never wrote the code. Why? Because it would have been a waste of our time; our goal was to write code that would be accepted into the official distributions and the Linus tree. Without the support of someone like Leonard and VA, the success of this couldn't be guaranteed. Too bad, your loss. Take your GPL whining somewhere else. Oh, and if you're thinking, "I bet this guy is full of crap," we (my team, though not I) already wrote a very successfull SCSI layer... go look at FreeBSD.
He told me when Adaptec finally stopped disavowing the existance of Linux, they came to VA and said "We're sorry. Can we play with Linux now?" and lnz said, "No. Too late." He'd already schooled them on Linux from the grassroots on up, forcing them to acknowledge an emerging market.
I really am sorry to hear of Mr. Zubkoff's death, and I certainly do not wish to disrepect him, but this comment is totally and completely wrong. I was one of the Adaptec guys in that meeting. The conversation was something like this:
We're working on officially supporting Linux. One thing that we noticed is that the Linux SCSI layer really, really, really sucks. We'd like to rewrite it, but we need your political support.
I agree that the SCSI layer needs to be fixed, but I'd rather fix it myself than support you. Goodbye.
There was no "schooling us on Linux from the grassroots up", only a rather rude snub at our offer to make Linux better. That was 15 months ago, and we haven't seen any significant progress towards fixing the SCSI layer, other than the patches for bugfixes that we come up with and submit ourselves.
You attempt to troll Adaptec for something that you obviously were not a part of is not appreciated. Look at all of the SCSI vendors out there and tell me which gives better support for Linux? All of our drivers are GPL and we give bug fixes back to the community when we find them. What's your problem?
I'm a big Java supported, but this is unfortunate. It will only serve to make Java less relevant. You'd think that Sun could have worked out something with donating the licensing fees and made it a 'goodwill' guesture towards the Java community. Oh well.
Just the other day I was cleaning out a box of old college-era stuff and came across my boxed copy of Sam and Max, floppies and all. We always used to get a kick out of the sceen where people are bungie jumping off the noses of the presidents at Mt. Rushmore, since they looked like big boogers. The 'Second Largest Ball of Twine' or whatever it was was hilarious too.
/nostalgia
Sorry, no flame was intended. I felt that your comment about tag sliding could be misinterpretted, but I also wanted to definitely answer the question of the OP with a cvsup file that was appropriate for what he (appeared to) asked for.