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RIP: Leonard Zubkoff

UnidentifiedCoward writes "LWN.net has a link to a blurb at KTVA, "Alaska State Troopers have recovered the bodies and released the names of two men killed late last week in a helicopter crash in Southeast. They are 38-year-old David Zampino of Fairbanks and 45-year-old Leonard Zubkoff of Crystal Bay, Nevada." Mr. Zubkoff was a linux kernel developer and the maintainer of BusLogic and DAC960 projects." Leonard was a hell of a nice guy and will be missed.

345 comments

  1. Once again... by A+Clockwork+Orange · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Another of the world's many reminders of how fragile life is.

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    1. Re:Once again... by Hilleh · · Score: 1

      And why was is this post still at 0!?!? That was the exact thought I had when I saw this story. It's a terrible thing when someone dies, but we can still take away lessons from things like this. Mod parent up!

    2. Re:Once again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does it bother you that you spit out such terrible Hallmark(tm) drivel?

      Don't be such a sap. Here's an easy lesson : if you're using the word 'fragile' to describe life or anything like it, you're being far to sappy.

      Yours truly,
      Anonymous

      PS
      Yes, I am aware that I am a bitter discontented slashdotter with nothing better to do than tear into suckers like you, so you needn't bother pointing that out.

    3. Re:Once again... by Lord+Ender · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Well, it can be pretty fragile when you are flying helicopters in Alaska... but none of use are doing that right now, so we are not nearly so fragile. It is sad that this guy died, but he was participating in risky behavior that caused his life to be unnecessarily fragile, moreso than mine, thats for sure.

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    4. Re:Once again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Well, it can be pretty fragile when you are flying helicopters in Alaska

      Duh.. it can also be fragile driving to Piggly Wiggly when a drunk is crossing the double yellow lines. Me? I'd rather be in the chopper above some antelope than having the 'Night Train Special' plow into you.

      but he was participating in risky behavior that caused his life to be unnecessarily fragile, moreso than mine

      Risky behavior?!?
      Life without risk is life without reward. You'll possibly learn that when you get a bit older, and not living life in a plastic bubble or strapped in front of your CRT at 5k00L, Nick.

    5. Re:Once again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Do you realize that everyone you know someday will die?"

      -- Flaming Lips, "Do You Realize?"

    6. Re:Once again... by Lord+Ender · · Score: 1

      You took the time to try and investigate me through my slashdot info. Strange.

      I am not in a bubble and rather enjoying my life. What I was trying to say is that I don't feel that my life is any more fragile since I don't fly in helicoptors or things like that. Staying on the ground is nice and safe, and you are wrong, you do not have to risk your life to enjoy it.

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    7. Re:Once again... by RazzleFrog · · Score: 1

      Hogwash. Life is actually pretty damn strong. Think of the people who are trapped in a flooded, frigid river for 45 minutes and survive. Think of the people who's parachute fails and they still bounce and survive on landing. Think of the people who lose limbs in accidents and still live life to the fullest - some even beyond the average person.

      We are actually a very strong species with, for the most part, a great will to live. So stop talking about how fragile your life is and get out there and live.

    8. Re:Once again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero"

      --Tyler Durden - Fight Club (Chuck Palahniuk)

    9. Re:Once again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      You took the time to try and investigate me through my slashdot info. Strange.

      You post a link to your personal information and you find that strange? C'mon now!!

      Staying on the ground is nice and safe, and you are wrong, you do not have to risk your life to enjoy it.

      I am glad you weren't there when Lindbergh took off for Paris.

    10. Re:Once again... by ryochiji · · Score: 1
      >Staying on the ground is nice and safe

      Staying on the ground is a lot more dangerous than flying in, say, commercial jets. In fact, whenever you fly anywhere, you're more likely to die driving to the airport than on the actual flight it self. In fact, I'm sure there are dozens of common activities that are more dangerous than flying in a helicopter in Alaska. (No, I don't work for an airline company, the FAA, or NTSB...just pointing out the statistics.)

    11. Re:Once again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Strangers die everyday"

      - Butthole Surfers, "Strangers die everyday"

    12. Re:Once again... by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

      Sometimes you just have to do something more.
      It's not logical, it's not scientific, but it's fun.

      It's like taking a vacation... technically it's cost-prohibitive, a big time-waster, and nothing is accomplished. BUT, you need it! It's to get away from the everyday.

      It explains why a lot of geeks (myself included) skydive, go offroad 4x4 trailriding, fly helicopters/planes/(insert other flying device), and enjoy shooting.

      Consider it a release from the digital world into the analog.

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    13. Re:Once again... by Grimwiz · · Score: 1

      I benefitted from his work - which enabled the use of cheap buslogic SCSI controllers which therefore let me afford SCSI devices under linux.

      I'm sad that lots of people die, but Leonard's work had a positive effect on the money I had when I didn't have much (and I assume many other people benefitted too), so I feel we've lost more with his death.

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    14. Re:Once again... by Grimwiz · · Score: 1

      Single lives are fragile.

      "Life", however, with the capital L goes on - through ice ages, meteor impacts and volcanic disasters (luckily for us).

      Leonard touched many people with his work though, and that will stay with us.

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  2. Cryonics enthusiast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    From dandelion digital's homepage:

    "Leonard is also active in the Cryonics movement, and hosts the domain for Consonance."

    Not to be morbid or too sick, but does anyone see the irony of a cryonics enthusiast dying in an accident in ALASKA?

    1. Re:Cryonics enthusiast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does anyone see the comedy of you not understanding the definition of irony?

    2. Re:Cryonics enthusiast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sort-of, but consider that right now, the
      weather is actually pretty nice in Fairbanks.
      Shirtsleeves, T-shirts maybe.

      It's always tragic when someone dies suddenly,
      but it never surprises me when a *helicopter* is
      involved. They crash all the time, often with
      celebrities on board.

    3. Re:Cryonics enthusiast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps he will be reanimated far in the future, once a future generation has discovered a way to cure death by helicopter crash.

    4. Re:Cryonics enthusiast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your post confirms for me what I've always thought
      about /. users.

    5. Re:Cryonics enthusiast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hit me! What's the definition of irony? The best I can come up with is "Laughing at the hypocricy of fate".

    6. Re:Cryonics enthusiast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your post confirms for me what I've always thought about /. users.

      You mean like yourself?

    7. Re:Cryonics enthusiast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And, like Alcor's patients, Leonard's body was found head down.

      I knew Leonard (slightly). He was flat out amazing. He was into cryonics, filk, linux, and he made major contributions to each. He flat out had more energy and got more things done than 95% of all the people I've ever met or heard of.

      He used to be fat, but in the pictures of him from last month, he's dropped 100 pounds since I knew him. Good for him.

      I'm beyond sad. Everything in my world is diminished today.

    8. Re:Cryonics enthusiast by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

      It's natures way of weeding out our population.

      There has to be other ways considering we're starting to cure the diseases! :)

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    9. Re:Cryonics enthusiast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not ironic, exactly. Convenient though, since the cold water probably preserved his brain pretty well until they could freeze it.

    10. Re:Cryonics enthusiast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah. Then he'll read the comments to the slashdot blurb about his death, realize what a bunch of jerks the Linux community really is and go to work for Microsoft. ;)

    11. Re:Cryonics enthusiast by Ladym0m0 · · Score: 1

      I don't know if anyone has said this or not.. Considering Reading through these threads became a practice in patience nad ignroing flippant and often caustic comments that had nothing to do with your topic. I wanted to say.. My sincere condolences on the loss of your friend. ~lm

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  3. Too confident by BollocksToThis · · Score: 0, Funny

    He'd obviously gotten too used to using linux, and he thought crashing was something that happened to other people.

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    1. Re:Too confident by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stupid mods. It was funny. I'll have to try to metamod those idiots. They don't deserve to be mods anymore.

  4. The Amiga. by Troy+H+Parker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As is often said when an Amiga user passes away, "The Amiga, it will outlive all of us."

    1. Re:The Amiga. by Sivar · · Score: 2

      Er... Isn't the Amiga already dead?

      No disrespect to the platform, which even today has yet to be surpassed by PCs in some ways, but you can't exactly go to Best Buy and pick up the latest 68070-powered Amiga PC with optional firewire video toaster add-on.

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    2. Re:The Amiga. by Troy+H+Parker · · Score: 1

      No, but you can pick up one with a G3 600MHz, the developer boards have already been released, and several Linux distrobutions have been ported to the new PPC Amiga. The new PPC native OS, AmigaOS4, is scheduled to be released before Christmas. Firewire is planned.

    3. Re:The Amiga. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
      Troy writes:
      As is often said when an Amiga user passes away, "The Amiga, it will outlive all of us."
      Yeah, as long as the thrift shop doesn't burn down.
    4. Re:The Amiga. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Yeah, as long as the thrift shop doesn't burn > down.

      When you run a Microkernel Realtime OS that supports DataTypes, come talk to us. :)

    5. Re:The Amiga. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thrift Shop? I'm posting from an AthlonXP 1800+ Amiga running Amithlon and AmigaOS, and it's faster than linux on the same hardware.

    6. Re:The Amiga. by dan+the+person · · Score: 3, Informative

      Too right brother, his work is still doing it's stuff on my box at home

      cat /proc/scsi/BusLogic/0
      ***** BusLogic SCSI Driver Version 2.1.15 of 17 August 1998 *****
      Copyright 1995-1998 by Leonard N. Zubkoff <lnz@dandelion.com>
      Configuring BusLogic Model BT-930 PCI Ultra SCSI Host Adapter
      Firmware Version: 5.02, I/O Address: 0xDC00, IRQ Channel: 10/Level
      PCI Bus: 0, Device: 10, Address: 0xDFFFF000, Host Adapter SCSI ID: 7
      Parity Checking: Enabled, Extended Translation: Enabled
      Synchronous Negotiation: FUUFFFF#, Wide Negotiation: Disabled
      Disconnect/Reconnect: Enabled, Tagged Queuing: Enabled
      Driver Queue Depth: 255, Scatter/Gather Limit: 128 segments
      Tagged Queue Depth: Automatic, Untagged Queue Depth: 3
      Error Recovery Strategy: Default, SCSI Bus Reset: Enabled
      SCSI Bus Termination: Enabled, SCAM: Disabled
      *** BusLogic BT-930 Initialized Successfully ***

      Target 2: Queue Depth 3, Synchronous at 20.0 MB/sec, offset 8
      Target 3: Queue Depth 3, Synchronous at 6.67 MB/sec, offset 15

      Current Driver Queue Depth: 255
      Currently Allocated CCBs: 28
      [snip]

    7. Re:The Amiga. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder what they say when FreeBSD users pass away?

    8. Re:The Amiga. by Cramer · · Score: 1

      Actually, the 68070 was a chip made by Philips over a decade ago -- it was a CPU32 core with a bunch of stuff tacked on to make it useful as a single chip. It was the basis for at least two Tandy Color Computer 3 (Coco3) succesors. [Both the tomcat and mm/1 had an '070 in there.]

    9. Re:The Amiga. by Cramer · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, this means it's going to be a very long time before there's a functional DAC960 driver for 2.5. Someone got a bug up their ass to break everything (new pci dma handling). And Leonard's code tended to be, umm, wordy.

    10. Re:The Amiga. by BLAG-blast · · Score: 1
      I wonder what they say when FreeBSD users pass away?

      "I'm covered in chicken blood."

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    11. Re:The Amiga. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The 68070 was not a 680x0 CPU, it just shared a similar model number. Of course it appears you knew that, but I'll point it out lest those newfangled Linux Geeks think us Old Amiga Geeks used something related to a tandy, bleh!

    12. Re:The Amiga. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought the 68070 was a Motorola 68010 core with some extra serial port and timer code on the die, and then manufactured by Philips? IIRC the 68070 was used in the CD-i, no?

    13. Re:The Amiga. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DataTypes are old hat, and Exec is not a Microkernel nor is it Realtime. However, if you're going to try and claim that it is (No doubt you will. Yes, I was an Amiga zealot once. Yes, I had an A4000, CyberStorm 060@50, PicassoIV, AriadneII, thanks) then here your answer.

    14. Re:The Amiga. by Artifex · · Score: 2

      Thrift Shop? I'm posting from an AthlonXP 1800+ Amiga running Amithlon and AmigaOS, and it's faster than linux on the same hardware.

      Out of curiousity, I looked up Amithlon, and discovered this statement, by its main author, that he's been forced to stop distributing the software.

      This is too bad, because it would have been cool to play with, but the last time I said that, I ended up with a couple of year's worth of BeOS versions and upgrades and 3rd party software for an abandoned platform.

      (Then again, I still am going to get my friends' old Indys and NeXT boxes, soon)

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    15. Re:The Amiga. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should check out THIS site then, because there's a version 2 out soon. http://www.amithlon.net/en/demo.shtml

  5. All these deaths by Xtraneous · · Score: 1

    It seems as if anyone who had a role in developing modern day systems are dieing. Conspiracy, I sure damn hope not.

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    1. Re:All these deaths by avalys · · Score: 1

      Pardon my ignorance, but who are the other recently deceased people who 'had a role in developing modern day systems'?

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    2. Re:All these deaths by Xtraneous · · Score: 1

      http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/0 8/07/2254216&mode=nested&tid=99

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    3. Re:All these deaths by avalys · · Score: 1

      Are you kidding? He was 72 and had cancer! Conspiracy my ass!

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    4. Re:All these deaths by Xtraneous · · Score: 1

      conspiracy (Humor- A way of relieving stress)

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    5. Re:All these deaths by Sivar · · Score: 2

      It seems as if anyone who had a role in developing modern day systems are dieing. Conspiracy, I sure damn hope not.
      I think you've watched "Antitrust" a few times too many. ;-)

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    6. Re:All these deaths by Xtraneous · · Score: 1

      http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/12/11/171524 1&mode=nested&tid=99

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    7. Re:All these deaths by Nightpaw · · Score: 2

      Well, this particular incident makes me think that the Grim Reaper just accidentally clicked on the name column and sorted his to-do list in reverse alphabetical order.

    8. Re:All these deaths by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, this particular incident makes me think that the Grim Reaper just accidentally clicked on the name column and sorted his to-do list in reverse alphabetical order.
      yeah, but thing windows crashed, hurry for immortality!

    9. Re:All these deaths by Thu+Anon+Coward · · Score: 1

      by which you are implying that since Billy G and Ballmerboy aren't dead yet, that Winblows is not a "modern day system"? :)

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    10. Re:All these deaths by Cramer · · Score: 1

      Once is too many times in my book

      (Note to those who haven't seen it: Skip the first hour and a half.)

    11. Re:All these deaths by Artifex · · Score: 2

      It seems as if anyone who had a role in developing modern day systems are dieing. Conspiracy, I sure damn hope not.

      Considering when most of the "big names" got started, it makes sense statistically. Don't worry, though, there's plenty of young coders out there that work hard. Remember that developer kid a few months back who made news because he was a minor?

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    12. Re:All these deaths by eam · · Score: 1

      Well, you have to understand that Death is a unix geek from way back. Unfortunately due to a shipping glich he got one of Hell's windows machines by mistake. So naturally, these little goofs are going to pop up from time to time until they get it all worked out.

      Death: "Dammit, WHERE'S VI!?!?!?"

  6. Linux Driver programmer will be missed my many by swimfastom · · Score: 5, Informative

    Leonard will be missed by many. He was Dandelion Digital's sole proprietor. He also has a page about his Linux acheivements, especially his SCSI drivers which are commonly used today.

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    1. Re:Linux Driver programmer will be missed my many by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exibit A:
      From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) [web1913]:

      Unique \U*nique"\, n.
      A thing without a like; something unequaled or unparalleled.
      [R.]

      Exibit B:
      Quoted from http://dandelion.com/:
      "your source for a truly unique gift idea: personalized baby blankets."

      Your Argument:
      "He sounds like kind of a homo to me. Anyone who thinks that personalized baby blankets are a great gift needs help. I guess Leonard needed it, but didn't get it. Oops."

      For the sake of the argument, we'll assume you are using thinking that "personalized baby blankets are a great gift" as a sign of homosexuality.

      "Where is this headed," you ask. Well, Leonard did not state that he thought personalized baby blankets were a great gift. So, he must not be homosexual.

      In other words:
      That troll sucked. Try again some time.

    2. Re:Linux Driver programmer will be missed my many by stevenbee · · Score: 1, Flamebait
      WOW, that is amazing -- re-post a link which is in the original story, get modded as informative.

      Well done, Mr. Swimfast!

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    3. Re:Linux Driver programmer will be missed my many by Ed+Avis · · Score: 2

      I found a problem with the BusLogic driver he maintained. He was very helpful and suggested a fix. I said thanks, I'll try it and get back to you sometime. Now I never will.

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  7. Mod up parent by Raul654 · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Not to be a troll or disrepectful or anything, but that comment is hella-funny.

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  8. Cryonics - Hmmmm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    This guy was into Cryonics, and he died in a notoriously cold state. Maybe these guys can help him?

    It would totally suck to live a good while and be all gung ho about cryonics and then not be preserved (ala Ted Williams) after your death.

    Hell, we probably need to keep him on ice as a possible Linus replacement ;)

    1. Re:Cryonics - Hmmmm? by Sporluck · · Score: 1

      Sorry to dissapoint you, but Alaska isn't ALWAYS Cold..

    2. Re:Cryonics - Hmmmm? by NanoGator · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      "Sorry to dissapoint you, but Alaska isn't ALWAYS Cold.. "

      Prove it. Name one time Alaska was ever on TV without a foot of snow on the ground.

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    3. Re:Cryonics - Hmmmm? by Sporluck · · Score: 1

      Right now.... Or how about.. the day I went up to the ARtic Circle and it was 80 degrees... For 3 months out of the year it's summer... 60-80 degrees.... w/ 24 hrs of light... it gets warm up here... granted... it's cold the 9 months out of the year...

    4. Re:Cryonics - Hmmmm? by NanoGator · · Score: 2

      Yeesh, just try to be funny...

      (Not really directed at you, but rather the moderator who modded down my attempt at humor.)

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    5. Re:Cryonics - Hmmmm? by Sporluck · · Score: 1

      I've yet heard of anyone taking advantage of the -50 temps in the winter for overclocking.... hmmm....

    6. Re:Cryonics - Hmmmm? by PeteyG · · Score: 1

      I lived in Ketchikan, Alaska for 7 years, and currently reside only a small distance away in Juneau. Even though there are glaciers about, South East Alaska is actually a rain forest. Certainly not a tropical one, but the region is quite moist and temperate.

      If you like you can Czech out my E2 nodes on the area: Ketchikan, AK, and Juneau, AK.

      I heard about the helicopter crash on the local news, but I did not know anything about the those who passed away until I just now visited Slashdot.

      A tragedy. But I doubt there's a prettier place on this Earth to pass into death.

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  9. Microsoft? by YahoKa · · Score: 0, Troll

    Perhaps microsoft has a special forces division and is going after people who maintain linux.

    1. Re:Microsoft? by YahoKa · · Score: 1

      i guess this comment is kinda out of the blue but it was meant as a reply to "All these deaths "

    2. Re:Microsoft? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It still isn't remotely amusing or funny.

  10. Modern day systems? by Sir+Bard · · Score: 1

    Linux is sure up to speed with the rest of the world (by that I mean Microsoft....) think usb 2.0

    You might say the business model is modern, but take a look at where Linux is now.

    Not to put down this tragedy, just making a point.

  11. The what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    "Leonard... ...hosts the domain for Consonance."

    Domain for the consonants? www.fuckvowels.com?

    1. Re:The what? by Xacid · · Score: 3, Funny

      Wouldn't it be http://www.fckvwls.com/ then?

    2. Re:The what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No... it would have to be http://www.fckvwls.cm then, which isn't valid

    3. Re:The what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Consonance is an annual San Francisco Bay Area Filker Convention.

    4. Re:The what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      fuckvowels.com isn't valid either. Unless the policy has been reversed recently, you can't have "fuck" in a domain name.

    5. Re:The what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You read slashdot, and you don't know about something like, say, this?

    6. Re:The what? by Cramer · · Score: 1
      Holy shit...
      • [cramer:pts/4]seamonkey:~/[2:15am]:fwhois fuckvowels[whois.crsnic.net]

        Whois Server Version 1.3

        Domain names in the .com, .net, and .org domains can now be registered
        with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
        for detailed information.

        No match for "FUCKVOWELS".

        >>> Last update of whois database: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 16:48:51 EDT
      ... a domain that isn't registered!
    7. Re:The what? by protonman · · Score: 1

      > www.fuckvowels.com

      Aa! Aa! Aa! Aa! Eeh! Uuuuuuuuuu....

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    8. Re:The what? by netsharc · · Score: 1
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  12. Re:Moment of Silence by TowerTwo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I had something insightful to say, but it seems silly now. I rely on his driver for all the data that matters to me. Picture of my son from birth to today and all the code I have written and kept in my years. It was his DAC960 driver and the fact that Mylex seemed to respect the driver enough to point you to his page for Linux support that made me choose Linux over Solaris a few years ago for a set of large arrays.

    His contributions will truly be missed by me and I am sure many others.

    Steven

  13. Two people died by Anonymous+DWord · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Leonard was a hell of a nice guy and will be missed.

    And David?

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    1. Re:Two people died by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You people can be so insensitive. Don't you realize that even though someone used so-and-so operating system, his life still mattered as much as any other person. Learn to be a little bit more sensitive.

    2. Re:Two people died by MisterBlister · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      You may consider his death a loss, but really what kind of a life could he have if he was a Windows user anyway? Its probably best for everyone involved that he was put out of his misery.

    3. Re:Two people died by matt-fu · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And David?

      Well, if you knew him, you should say something. If you didn't, it's kind of hard to say anything but "I'm sure David was a great guy too!" or "Any friend of a kernel developer is a friend of mine!"

    4. Re:Two people died by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh... so would you have said that in front of his face if he were still alive?

      Granted... Windows isn't the best OS in the world... neither is Linux. So don't be judging people for their OS, open source licenses, window manager, shell, etc.

    5. Re:Two people died by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      This is Slashdot. The home of the warped perspective and alien attitude. 'Nuff said.

    6. Re:Two people died by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You people can be so humourless. Yeah, not a funny subject, but come on.

    7. Re:Two people died by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Maybe Chris knew Leonard personally and not David. He wouldnt exactly be quallified to comment on someone-he-did'nt-know's personallity any more than you assholes are to be commenting on his.

    8. Re:Two people died by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Besides, David used Unix and MacOS. I don't know if he used Windows much but most people have used Windows at least once in their lives.

    9. Re:Two people died by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So...who's gonna take over for Leonard now?

    10. Re:Two people died by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reality check... the operating system on your computer does not determine the value of your life.

    11. Re:Two people died by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "David used Windows, so fuck him! He was probably ASKING for it! "

      Yeah!!! Just think: If he was a Linux user, he'd still be at home trying to get the OS working!

    12. Re:Two people died by Wrexen · · Score: 1, Troll

      And the other ~fifty-thousand people that died today? Maybe you should give a good word for all of them (since you knew all of them personally, right?)

    13. Re:Two people died by archen · · Score: 1

      It's the way the media works (this includes Slashdot). If it happens to someone famous, then people suddenly care once the media sensationalized it. Otherwise it's just another part of a sad statistic. We will hear about one famous person dieing for weeks on end, but how many people even know the horrors of what happened in Sierra Leone? I guess many people take me as being sort of cold hearted when I act indifferent when someone famous dies... but did you know them? Are they more important than anyone else? Being insensitive has nothing to do with it, it's more about misplaced priorities. Is the world worse off because Mother Teresa died? certainly, but most famous people are only different in that one respect: they're famous.

      Not to say that this slashdot article is bad; many such as myself will be exposed to what this guy has done for the Linux community, and perhaps that's a good way to remember him buy now that he's gone. But I don't think that he's more important than the rest of us or the man who died with him, nor does this article imply that. It's more about the loss to the community.

    14. Re:Two people died by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Yeah!!! Just think: If he was a Linux user, he'd still be at home trying to get the OS working!


      LOL!! You could spend days just trying to make the dumb thing work.
    15. Re:Two people died by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hahahaha, what planet are you from??

    16. Re:Two people died by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am from earth, are you from uranus like most Slashbot weenies?

    17. Re:Two people died by Disevidence · · Score: 1

      Nice comeback.

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    18. Re:Two people died by Entropy_ah · · Score: 2

      I'd mod you up if I had moderation privliges right now. But your exactly right. Chris probably had talked to Leonard. David is probably a nice guy but no body here probably knows him.

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    19. Re:Two people died by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What makes you think he was a Windows user? He was no idiot and knew lots of stuff about Unix and computers in general.

    20. Re:Two people died by einhverfr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Story:

      Leonard was a hell of a nice guy and will be missed.

      Reply:
      And David?

      Of course, but not on slashdot ;)

      Lets face it, Leonard was a part of our community, David to my knowledge was not. His communities will miss him too, but not on slashdot.

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    21. Re:Two people died by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am from earth, are you from uranus like most Slashbot weenies?

      Isn't that a paradox? To be from your own ass? Which came first? You or your ass?

    22. Re:Two people died by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank ya!

      *hopes that wasn't sarcastic*

  14. Leonard was also interested in Cryonics. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    According to Dandelions page, Leonard was also interested in the Cryonics movement. While I don't personally think this works / is going to work, I feel sorry that he's not going to get a chance to test it out himself. Unless someone has information to the contrary?

    Goodbye Leonard, you will be missed.

    Bryn.

    1. Re:Leonard was also interested in Cryonics. by smead · · Score: 1
      kind of interesting giving that and that he crashed in alaska. maybe he'll get to stay involved afterall.

      -smead

    2. Re:Leonard was also interested in Cryonics. by oniony · · Score: 1

      Cryonics does work -- I have fresh ice cubes every day.

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  15. Re:Moment of Silence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I rely on his driver for all the data that matters to me. Picture of my son from birth to today and all the code I have written and kept in my years.

    I don't think you can give a better salute than that.

  16. shoot the moderators! by Xtifr · · Score: 2

    The parent post was funny, without being even slightly disrespectful to the memory of a valued member of our community. Humor at a death may bother some, but it can also be cathartic. There is absolutely no justification in modding the parent post as "troll" or "flamebait", and the people who wasted their mod points need some severe attitude readjustment. Please mod the parent back up before you mod me down as offtopic (I have karma to spare, and then some).

  17. FAA Preliminary Accident Report by xlation · · Score: 5, Informative

    There's not much in the FAA report (see below) but it looks like weather wasn't an issue.

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    IDENTIFICATION
    Regis#: 7189T Make/Model: R44 Description: 2000 ROBINSON R-44
    Date: 08/29/2002 Time:

    Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: Fatal Mid Air: N Missing: N
    Damage: Substantial

    LOCATION
    City: KETCHIKAN State: AK Country: US

    DESCRIPTION
    2000 ROBINSON 44 HELICOPTER CRASHED IN WINSTANLEY LAKE, LOCATED UPSIDE
    DOWN, 2 POB SUFFERED FATAL INJURIES, OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES ARE UNKNOWN,
    KETCHIKAN, AK

    INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 2
    # Crew: 1 Fat: 1 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
    # Pass: 1 Fat: 1 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
    # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:

    WEATHER: KTN METAR 08/30/02 0053 UTC 34009KT 10SM SCT040 BKN070

    OTHER DATA
    Activity: Pleasure Phase: Unknown Operation: General Aviation

    Departed: KETCHIKAN, AK Dep Date: 08/28/2002 Dep. Time: 0349
    Destination: WINSTANLEY LAKE, AK Flt Plan: NONE Wx Briefing: U
    Last Radio Cont: DEPARTING KETCHIKAN
    Last Clearance: NONE

    FAA FSDO: JUNEAU, AK (AL05) Entry date: 08/30/2002

    1. Re:FAA Preliminary Accident Report by Cecil · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually, the weather could well have been a factor.

      While the METAR doesn't explicitly state that there was any icing conditions, that is certainly not a confirmation that there were none. Especially if the pilot was flying through some of the scattered clouds that were 4,000 feet above ground level. That's a very quick way to pick up a lot of ice.

      And I doubt that Robinson 44 had anything more than meagre de-icing equipment at best.

      I will concede that there was likely some mechanical failure contributing to, if not causing the accident, but it doesn't mean you can rule out the weather entirely.

    2. Re:FAA Preliminary Accident Report by MarsBar · · Score: 1

      From http://www.zampino.net/letter.html

      There was a GPS found floating on the lake (a navigational tool) which had your brothers flights recorded on it. The last flight time was 1/10 hour or about 1 to 6 minutes of flight time. There was another record which showed his flight from Ketchikan to Winstanley lake. From this information it would stand to reason that he was attempting to leave Winstanley Lake when the crash occurred. Also I found fresh footprints at the Winstanley Lake US Forest Service cabin site. These may or may not have been from your brother if he had spent the night at the cabin. His departure from Ketchikan on August 28th, as reported by the FAA, 03:49 PM is Alaska time, which is one hour earlier than Seattle. So he departed from here Wednesday afternoon.

      So they wouldn't have been up that high.

    3. Re:FAA Preliminary Accident Report by ThaReetLad · · Score: 1

      INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 2
      # Crew: 1 Fat: 1 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
      # Pass: 1 Fat: 1 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:

      Great, so not only are these poor guys dead, but the FAA investigators are calling them overweight too.

      It a poor show when corpses are told to go on a diet.

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    4. Re:FAA Preliminary Accident Report by memfree · · Score: 1
      According to an article in the Fairbanks paper, an investigator with the National Transportation Safety Board said "It's a fresh-water lake that sits on top of a bluff" ... "The clouds sit right on the edge of it."

      So weather (visibility) could have been a factor at that particular location. Weather prevented them from recovering the bodies for a while, too.

      The odd bit in there: "he has yet to confirm reports that Zampino was teaching Zubkoff how to fly the four-seat helicopter."

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    5. Re:FAA Preliminary Accident Report by DCookie · · Score: 1

      Having lived 20 years in Southeast Alaska (ie Juneau), I have a lot of confidence in the pilots of the area. Unless this pilot was from somewhere other than southeast alaska, he probably knows and understands the weather conditions better than anyone on /. no matter what your scientific-mumbo-jumbo descriptions may say; your science doesn't compete with experience.

      I also know, from my living in southeast, that weather can be drastically different only a few miles away and that weather conditions change rapidly. (All this due to the many high mountains, water bodies, etc).

      With that said, even all the experience in the world can not prepare you for drastic and unforseeable changes in weather. My guess, is that IF weather was an issue, it was something similar (drastic and unforseeable).

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  18. Toy copter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is unfortunate. Was this one of those toy helicopters?

    A buddy of mine was a chopper pilot in 'nam and he swears those kit copters are death traps.

    1. Re:Toy copter? by r_j_prahad · · Score: 4, Informative

      It was a Robinson R-44. The R-44 is not a kit, and it's far from a toy. Unfortunately, Robinson's have a huge piece of the statistics pie simply because they're the one rotary wing affordable enough to be used for instruction. And students crash a lot.

    2. Re:Toy copter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A buddy of mine was a chopper pilot in 'nam and he swears those kit copters are death traps.

      Oh, and like being in a HueyCobra doing 120ktas at treetops over the Mekong delta was safe. Your buddy is pulling your leg, dude.

    3. Re:Toy copter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      According to an article in our local paper (North Pole Alaska),the helicopter pilot was not a certified instuctor. The article mentioned the possibility that Zobkoff may have been receiving instruction but it didn't say what led anyone to believe that. The helicopter was apparently equipped with pontoons, which kept it afloat, upside down. The two men were strapped in when it was found if I recall correctly.

    4. Re:Toy copter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      The Robinson's suffer from a problem that all lightweight heli's do, and that is low rotor inertia. It makes them very twitchy in flight. Unfortunately, it's not just stundent pilots that crash them. A large number of crashes in R-22's and R-44's happen with experienced pilots at the stick. Just last month a FACTORY Robinson pilot crashed a brand-new R-22 in Texas.

      The rotors on a Robinson can actually flex enough to strike the aircraft in flight if you over control them.

    5. Re:Toy copter? by ari_j · · Score: 2

      Statistically speaking, it's very unlikely that this person is both a Slashdot comment-poster and a friend of a surviving chopper pilot from Vietnam. Very unlikely.

    6. Re:Toy copter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is it statistaically unlikely. I'm a slashdot reader/comment poster and I know TWO surviving vietnam era chopper pilots. I also know a few fighter pilots from Viet Nam, some who spent time in the Hanoi Hilton. One of my bosses (many years ago) flew jets (F-86s) in the Korean conflict. Most of the fathers in my suburban Ohio neighborhood served in Viet Nam. I was born in '66...

      I would agree that the Robinsons fall into the toy category of helicopters. Thier light weight and low rotor intertia puts them at the mercey of the winds and weather. Ever noticed a Cadillac tracks better in crosswinds than say a Yugo? Same rule applies to heli's...

  19. Obit topic by autopr0n · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Slashdot seems to run a lot of obituaries. Perhaps there should be a topic for it.

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    1. Re:Obit topic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny
      autopr0n writes:
      Slashdot seems to run a lot of obituaries. Perhaps there should be a topic for it.
      There already is. It's called the BSD section.
    2. Re:Obit topic by mooredav · · Score: 2

      Slashdot seems to run a lot of obituaries. Perhaps there should be a topic for it.

      With what icon?

      Some of the most obvious choices seem like the worst. I don't want some cheezy grim reaper cartoon. A tombstone is just morbid. There must be some better way to represent a lifetime of accomplishment.

      Something earthy (from nature, not cyberspace) and subtle. Perhaps footsteps in the sand.

    3. Re:Obit topic by Anonymous+DWord · · Score: 2

      "It was then that I carried you?" :-) Bleh. How about a Turing strip?

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    4. Re:Obit topic by Graspee_Leemoor · · Score: 1

      "Perhaps footsteps in the sand."

      Lives of great men all remind us
      We may make our lives sublime
      And departing leave behind us
      Footprints in the sands of time.

      graspee

    5. Re:Obit topic by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 1

      A frozen human head.

    6. Re:Obit topic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      on that case how about an apple with a bite taken out of it?

    7. Re:Obit topic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or a little red devil with a trident.

    8. Re:Obit topic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you, moderators. This definitely deserved a +5.

    9. Re:Obit topic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wow.

      -5 Troll, +5 Funny.

      brilliant.

  20. One to Emulate by QuantumWeasel · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I will never forget how it felt to install Mr. Zubkoff's BusLogic drivers in a 2.0.8 kernel for the first time. Back then, the drivers hadn't yet made their way into Linus' tree. As a veteran of rolling my own kernel, having built X and gotten it up when that was still an accomplishment, and having bled on libc #defines, I settled in for major pain. But Mr. Zubkoff's driver dropped right in. Like butter. The nost seamless thing I'd ever seen. He will be missed, not only for great drivers but also for providing a model of how the Linux community could approach initially reluctant vendors for register-level APIs. Here's to you, sir!

    1. Re:One to Emulate by matthew.thompson · · Score: 2

      Seconded, I was a long time user of Buslogic SCSI cards for my old scanner and Zip drive. The drivers were a joy to use. Thank you and may you rest in peace.

      --
      Matt Thompson - Actuality - Insert product here.
  21. Mod Parent Up! by xactoguy · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I don't have much Karma... heck don't even know that I have any.... but please mod parent up, it's probably going to be one of the most important comments, what with everyone cracking jokes about the cryogenics thing and Alaska...

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  22. His Gods have him well by CTib · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Oh my, it is so freakingly painful to look at the web page of a dead person that, even while you didn't know it, took part at your life...

    1. Re:His Gods have him well by XO · · Score: 1

      The weirder part I think, is that I've been looking all damn day through SCSI drivers for Linux, Be, and other OS's, and I've probably run across his name a good double dozen times or more, and then I load up Slashdot for a quick douse of News before bed, and then.. there it is.

      WtF?

      That's almost as freaky as the first Multiuser BBS system out there http://m-net.arbornet.org/ .. where I disappeared for about 6 years, show back up, finger some of my old friends, and I get back "Account Reserved" along with an Obituary for the user.

      Fucking freaky.

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    2. Re:His Gods have him well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... finger some of my old friends ...

      I bet you did...

      sorry. not to disrespect your deceased friends, ive just had a few too many beers, and that made me laugh.

      Respect to all dead people.

    3. Re:His Gods have him well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Add me too please. I laughed at the same thing, but I saw there was a comment, so I thought I'd read it before I posted the same thing you already wrote. So, uhm, ignore this.

  23. "cathartic" by autopr0n · · Score: 2

    Actually, there's no evidence that catharsis actually does anything. In fact, it often accentuates feelings, rather then getting rid of them.

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    1. Re:"cathartic" by boomer_rehfield · · Score: 1

      Is there any evidence that it doesn't do anything? People deal with death in many different ways. If you can laugh at(with) death, more power to you.

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  24. Bummer. And thanks. by MissMyNewton · · Score: 5, Interesting
    As much as I despise Linux "advocates" these days, I remain in awe and appreciation of the coders who just make stuff work .

    Many thanks to *all* of them.

    Bet they don't hear that enough...

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  25. What was David Zampino known for? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry, his name doesn't ring a bell, and the story doesn't mention anything about it. Just curious...

    1. Re:What was David Zampino known for? by PerryMason · · Score: 1
      INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 2
      # Crew: 1 Fat: 1 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
      # Pass: 1 Fat: 1 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
      # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:

      Looking at the manifest, I am asuming that the guy was the pilot. (Unless of course Zubkoff can hack a linux kernel and fly a chopper)
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    2. Re:What was David Zampino known for? by rkanodia · · Score: 3, Informative

      I wrote about David Zampino in another comment. I neglected to mention in that post that, in addition to being a chip designer, programmer, and IT manager, David Zampino was also known as 'Bat Dave' in my corner of the office because of his ability to fly small planes and helicopters.

    3. Re:What was David Zampino known for? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I met Zampino once (related to his flying). He seemed to know his way around a helicopter -- he held an instructor rating:

      http://162.58.35.241/aadatabase/aaname3.asp?uniq id =A4018942&ood=2

  26. So, Bill. Reading Slashdot Tonight, Eh? by Grog6 · · Score: 1

    moron.

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  27. The fuck is the matter with you people? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So a guy gets killed in an accident, and so far about 75% of the posts to this story are racist, homophobic, anti-Linux trolls and comments to the effect of "He deserved it" or "I'll bet it was Microsoft." For a group of people that is supposed to be so intelligent (key word there is "supposed"), there are a lot of idiots reading Slashdot. If you don't have anything constructive to say, then either don't say it at all, or save it for the next evolution flamebait story.

    Yeah, I know .. you don't care. But I'll tell you this: One day, somebody you do care about will die, and I hope that your thoughts are preoccupied with the horrific things that you've posted to this story, and how terrible you behaved. Most /. readers are high school and college kids that wouldn't know the first thing about true loss. That will change with time.

    1. Re:The fuck is the matter with you people? by Jugomugo · · Score: 1

      Here here. The more I read the replies for stories, the more I see that they are a bunch of little school kids.

      If people aren't involved directly, why to they need to make things worse?

      Just my $.02

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    2. Re:The fuck is the matter with you people? by ajole · · Score: 1

      where do you get 75% from two posts. intelligent? ha! have some respect.

      -P

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    3. Re:The fuck is the matter with you people? by NanoGator · · Score: 2

      "So a guy gets killed in an accident, and so far about 75% of the posts to this story are racist, homophobic, anti-Linux trolls and comments to the effect of "He deserved it" or "I'll bet it was Microsoft."

      I wouldn't get too hyped up over it. It's mostly a bunch of AC's. If somebody were to say that shit with their registerred nick, then I'd really start worrying about how intelligent people here think they really are.

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    4. Re:The fuck is the matter with you people? by Usquebaugh · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      You sanctimoanious arsehole! Not everybody has your pious views on life. As if your opinion on intelligence and life matters a damn.

      A death should not be mourned but a life celebrated. Grieving does nobody any good. I've been to puritan funerals and celtish wakes. Guess which I'd rather attend.

      Stop thinking you're going to live for ever and start living now. Old bony is going to grab you wether you want him to or not.

    5. Re:The fuck is the matter with you people? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So I suppose your idea of "celebrating life" is "Well, he was a faggot commie Linux user, so good riddance?"

      I feel genuinely sorry for you.

      If "celtish wakes" consist of people standing around the body and saying "Well, at least he died before the AIDS got him", then remind me not to attend any of them.

      Who's the asshole now?

    6. Re:The fuck is the matter with you people? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My recollection of Leonard is how helpful he always was when I was developing kernel stuff at the last linux job. I great guy who will be missed by all of us.
      A posthumous thanks to you, Sir for all your good work
      -Brett Person

    7. Re:The fuck is the matter with you people? by greenrd · · Score: 2
      Suggestion: You could browse at threshold 1, and only view a story when there's at least 30 comments.

      That at least cuts out the very worst of /. comments (at the expense of a few interesting ones, but c'est la vie.) I hardly ever see any of that offensive tripe with this strategy, and when I do, and if they're really bad, they usually are logged in so they go on my Foes list and I never see them again.

    8. Re:The fuck is the matter with you people? by FroMan · · Score: 1

      Try browsing at 2. It will seriously help the signal to noise ratio. Its much cleaner. I didn't see a single comment that you were mentioning. If you mod, go ahead and view at -1. If you are reading, do it at a bit more sane level.

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    9. Re:The fuck is the matter with you people? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I must agree. I also don't believe in apathy. No one knows what loss truely is untill they are sitting on a bench thinking about how they will never talk to their mother/father/brother/sister (you get the point) again. That is when true loss hits you and it makes you feel like shit. At least it did me.

  28. About David Zampino by rkanodia · · Score: 5, Informative

    Most people here probably know more about Leonard Zubkoff, so why don't I talk a little about David Zampino. Mr. Zampino ("Please, call me Dave") was my boss at the company I worked for during the summer between high school and college. At that time, he was working for RCN, a fairly large ISP. He taught me a great portion of what I know about TCP/IP and routing equipment. He was a great boss; on days with lots of customers calling, he would tell us techs (not just 'let' us; he would say, "Be sure to expense that,"!) to expense pizza delivery if we decided to work through lunch. His focus was always, always on having good customer service. He really wanted the company to have a reputation as being dependable and competent, even if it cost time and money. He also did not have much patience for office politics. One time, a customer called and complained that his Unreal server had suddenly become sluggish, and all the players' ping times had gone up 60 miliseconds. I investigated, found a problem in our routing, and sent an email to the appropriate internal mailing list. When the person in charge of the buggy area fired back a reply chastising my inexperience and ridiculous notions, Dave was on it like a hawk. In less than 15 minutes he, too, had investigated the problem, and wrote to the list both to back me up and to castigate the other manager (albeit in a very diplomatic way) for reflexively 'defending his turf' without even looking into the problem!

    I don't know a whole lot about him before that time. Mr. Zampino was the founder of Brainstorm (1990-1991 ish), which started as a hardware company making accelerator cards for Macs. They ended up as a local, business-only ISP (long story) which was eventually bought by RCN, which is how he ended up there. While he may not have been a kernel hacker, he was certainly no slouch in Unix operation and programming, nor in hardware design. Although I have not worked for RCN since the summer of 2000, and I believe he left the company earlier this year, I am sure he is fondly remembered by all his co-workers.

    Rest in peace, Dave. I am proud to have had the privilege of knowing you.

    1. Re:About David Zampino by Arandir · · Score: 2

      Thank you and bless you.

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    2. Re:About David Zampino by ArsonPerBuilding · · Score: 1

      I'll bite...fucking trolls.

      Anyhow, how can you have no respect for someone who just died? What if that was your mother or brother or significant other? Why do you have to go around trolling the dead.....your lower making fun of the dead than robbing them.

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    3. Re:About David Zampino by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you ever read Charles Dickens, you would find that making light of a tragic situation is a great and old English tradition. If you don't like our traditions, go back to where you came from, Abdul. Please go back to your land of camel dung.

    4. Re:About David Zampino by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah but charles dickens didnt write about dead people being gay and hiring people to suck cocks and getting aids.

    5. Re:About David Zampino by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Praising an employee? Sounds like the polar opposite of Jeremy Porter, former owner of fc.net and current ICANN member, who thought it was okey dokey to use profanity on internal mailing lists.

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    6. Re:About David Zampino by Disevidence · · Score: 1

      While about a lot of people probably don't care, and thats fine, your parent poster knew the person, and was just giving a slashdot style obituary, so to speak. This stories does belong on slashdot, as the guy was a important part of linux.

      Just lay off.

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    7. Re:About David Zampino by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who the fuck are you talking to? I don't see anything in the parent post saying that this shouldn't be a slashdot story. I see nowhere that your post's parent poster criticized anyone. He was just letting people know who the other guy was.

    8. Re:About David Zampino by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Parent post he was referring to got moderated into oblivion, methinks.

    9. Re:About David Zampino by Joe+Decker · · Score: 2

      Thank you. I met Dave only a few times, through friends, and he too was one hell of a nice guy. He will be missed.

    10. Re:About David Zampino by Saeger · · Score: 1
      Yeah... these 'somebody died' news stories always result in a few predictable reactions:
      • Genuine tears - reserved for people with actual emotional connections to the guy (unless it's a celebrity death, in which case a wierd social dynamic kicks in)
      • Fake tears - its a social BS thing related to the golden rule. You earn brownie points by demonstrating your sensitivity for the dead. If you want people to boohoo at your funeral, then you're expected to register your gushing in public if you want to collect.
      • Silence - If you don't care, this should have been your choice. :)
      • Crass trolls - That'd be your generic shit-flinging monkey.

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      Power to the Peaceful
    11. Re:About David Zampino by Disevidence · · Score: 1

      Try reading at - 1 , dipshit.

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      Think nothing is impossible? Try slamming a revolving door.
    12. Re:About David Zampino by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm always up for making light of any situation, good or bad. But all aids gay commie linux shit is going too far. Oh, and Dickens' books are boring as fuck.

    13. Re:About David Zampino by whf · · Score: 1

      I met Dave in 97 when NorthPoint was starting up and we were looking for
      isps to partner with. Dave ran Brainstorm and was eager to give his
      customers faster connections. In some way I've forgotten the details
      we ended up building our first node in his Mountain View facility. I
      remember a Saturday morning, Dave dealing with network issues while I
      wrestled a CBX into a rack in his server room and tried to figure where
      they'd dropped the DS3. His router configuration management system was
      the best I'd seen - always kept a copy of the running config when posting
      a new one. He wanted network statistics for every customer mailed to him
      every week and he'd call me if they didn't arrive. He cared about his
      home as much as his business, not a trait I expected in a techie.

      I lost track of him after the RCN buyout and always meant to look him up
      again and ask about the rumor of someone landing on a roof in SF. I'm sad.

  29. Who fills the Void? by LinuxGeek · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I met Leonard a few times and he took the time to listen to my questions and explain some of the intricate details of his raid drivers. He was like most of the Linux developers that I've met, which means he was happy to share what he knew and I really appreciated that quality. A simple question: Who will replace Leonard in this community? I don't have the skill, but hopefully others can fill the void.

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    Kindness is the language which the deaf can hear and the blind can see. - Mark Twain
    1. Re:Who fills the Void? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      he shared hat he had with ne, too. Unfortunately, it was the clap.

    2. Re:Who fills the Void? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He was like most of the Linux developers that I've met, which means he was happy to share what he knew and I really appreciated that quality

      funny. most linux developers i've met tell me "RTFM". unlike Leonard, though, most Linux developers won't be missed when they die.

      love,

      - trolltime

    3. Re:Who fills the Void? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I hope to say this without coming off as rude or insenstitive, but this does bring up a question of human fault-tolerance in the open-source development model.

      When a company has reduced coders to interchangeable parts (the wisdom of doing so not being under discussion here), if one is unable to function any longer for whatever reason, he can be replaced. What happens when an extremely knowledgeable and unique individual in open-source passes on and leaves this void?

    4. Re:Who fills the Void? by LinuxGeek · · Score: 2, Interesting
      funny. most linux developers i've met tell me "RTFM".

      I think the response returned is proportional to the stupidity of the question asked. When I was asking Leonard questions about an approach to raid optimizations, his response was that he sacrificed some code clarity for optimization. I didn't ask something that was in TFM. At the same conference (1998), someone in front of 1500 people asked Linus when the kernel source tree would be compilable out of the /usr/src/linux tree. Linus answered that that was already the case, that his tree's aren't in the /usl tree at all. The questioner replied with 'Ummm.. Thanks.". That is the kind of question that usually gets the RTFM or 'search the kernel archives' type answers.

      Most technical people don't seem to have the patience to respond nicely to dumb questions, but I have seen exceptions.
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      Kindness is the language which the deaf can hear and the blind can see. - Mark Twain
    5. Re:Who fills the Void? by LinuxGeek · · Score: 1

      Hopefully, someone will be interested in taking control of Leonards code. Since his Linux work is under the LGPL, anyone capable of doing it can fill the void. From what I've seen already, it seems that the quality of work that is built on his code will depend on how much the work is enjoyed by whom ever takes the task.

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      Kindness is the language which the deaf can hear and the blind can see. - Mark Twain
  30. Why is this Drain Bamaged troll at Score 2?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People, get with it!

  31. Re:Moment of Silence by rodgerd · · Score: 2

    His politeness was certainly notable; I asked him a few questions around the sundry Buslogic combos and he was always helpful and friendly, though I'm sure he'd heard the same questions many times over. A shame to have such a pleasant man pass on so young.

  32. Cryonics? by tweakt · · Score: 2
    From Danelion Digital:
    "Leonard is also active in the Cryonics movement, and hosts the domain for Consonance."
    I wonder if he's asked his family to freeze his body.
    1. Re:Cryonics? by RoundSparrow · · Score: 1

      Very temping to joke about the savings of being in a lake in Alaska :)

    2. Re:Cryonics? by Artifex · · Score: 2

      I wonder if he's asked his family to freeze his body.

      I wonder about this as well, but I expect the answer to be private, unless the family wishes otherwise.

      Also, speculation on that note is probably moot, considering the probable condition of his body after the crash.

      He did, according to one of the tributes left at the puffin.com tribute page, tell family and friends not to feel sad if he died in a helicopter crash. And as was said, so far, they can't honor that request, either.

      He sounded like a cool guy, overall, and it's a shame that most of us never hear about "the people behind the scenes" until it's too late to feel the connection to them. At least more of them get recognized than their counterparts in closed-source commercial projects.

      --
      Get off my launchpad!
    3. Re:Cryonics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's listed as an advisor to the Alcor board, so it's a good bet he's signed up:

      http://www.alcor.org/AboutAlcor/alcorStaff.htm

      Signing up for suspension entails extensive legal paperwork. You don't need your family's permission.

      The bad news is that accidental death often entails an autopsy which means a lot of brain degradation before vitrification (not freezing!) which makes it much less likely (IMO) that one will ever be revived.

  33. slashsuperstition by boots@work · · Score: 1, Offtopic
    And, further on in Leviticus:

    16 If a man has an emission of semen, he shall bathe his whole body in water, and be unclean until the evening. 17Everything made of cloth or of skin on which the semen falls shall be washed with water, and be unclean until the evening. 18If a man lies with a woman and has an emission of semen, both of them shall bathe in water, and be unclean until the evening.

    19 When a woman has a discharge of blood that is her regular discharge from her body, she shall be in her impurity for seven days, and whoever touches her shall be unclean until the evening. 20Everything upon which she lies during her impurity shall be unclean; everything also upon which she sits shall be unclean. 21Whoever touches her bed shall wash his clothes, and bathe in water, and be unclean until the evening. 22Whoever touches anything upon which she sits shall wash his clothes, and bathe in water, and be unclean until the evening; 23whether it is the bed or anything upon which she sits, when he touches it he shall be unclean until the evening. 24If any man lies with her, and her impurity falls on him, he shall be unclean seven days; and every bed on which he lies shall be unclean.

    I hope you abide by these rules just as strictly. If you hold hands with your wife or friend when she has her period, or allow her to sit on your sofa or in your car, you're going straight to hell! And don't forget, she has to make a burnt offering of turtledoves or pigeons if she has a heavy period.

    Ah, there's a good god for the 21st century.

    1. Re:slashsuperstition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you're saying that washing your blue dress is not a good idea? Sheesh. You communists could take a lesson out of the bible. Penicillan doesn't cure everything.

    2. Re:slashsuperstition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For further information, this was in the old covanent. A new covanent was established with Jesus Christ, in which the old sacrificial law was fulfilled by his sacrifice.

    3. Re:slashsuperstition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      For further information, Coward, it's spelt "covenant". (lookup(1) is my copilot; I shall not want; though I walk through the valley of deth I shal feer know ev1l.)

      Furthermore, it is more reasonable to say that "it is alleged that a new convenant was established", since the only evidence for that position comes from biased and untrustworthy sources.

      Further^3, the alleged "fulfilment" of the old testament doesn't seem to stop bigots quoting it, so I don't see why it should stop anyone else.

      --
      You know, if Jesus comes back to Earth, I bet the last thing he'll want to see again is another cross.

  34. j00 r teh gay! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your sig is teh suxor, d00d.

    Every l33t h4x0r phil0s0pher knowz that it's an IP address, not a TCP/IP address. TCP doesn't give a fuck what your address is, IP does. Hence, IP address.

    Go back to sch00l, kid.

  35. Re:God bless you, Dave. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's NOT funny.

  36. yeah not only that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    slashdot has different standards for obits. A linux kernel author dies and it makes the front page. But science fiction author Steven King dies at 54 and it doesn't even make it on slashdot. And *BSD is dying but everytime someone tries to warn the slashdot crowd they get modded as troll!

  37. Interesting... more 'active' than you might think. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mr Zubkoff had also participated in performing a cryonic suspension:

    http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/user/tsf/ Pu blic-Mail/cryonics/archive/697.txt

    Apparently it didn't go too well in parts. Oh well, emerging field and all.

    Bryn.

  38. Re:Possible causes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Too fat for what? The FBI?

  39. Carefully maim the moderators! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks Xtifr,

    Funny thing, if it'd been Bill Gates who died in a copter crash, guess what kind of comment would get instant +5's?

    I tried to make a joke that wasn't disrespectful, but I don't parse for taste. I figured he would've used much of his own code, so the not crashing part would link directly back to him...

    Oh well.

  40. A good man lost... by backtick · · Score: 2

    I've used several cards using drivers by lnz@dendelion.com; I think the first 'totally built from scratch to be a Linux server' machine I ever put together used a 53c875 Symbios chip, and he helped me get it running at top speed to show off Linux's speed for a database. This would have been better than 5 years ago, at least. We'd been using Linux a lot longer than that on 'stock' machines, but needed some more 'umph' than we could get, and he was a great resource for support and friendly help. He'll be missed.

  41. Please log Out, user#595411 by buswolley · · Score: 1

    Actually, if you personally knew him, then that joke might be fine.. AMONGst FRIENDS!! though.Even waiting a few weeks after the news of his death, perhaps. But you did worse. you got one of the first posts on slashdot, a public forum.

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  42. ok... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ok, i'll just point out that your mother's a whore.

  43. Re:first post? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    yeah. It's not like it was steven king.

  44. touch� by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    touché

  45. [helicopter] Mexican Teen Singer Loses Fingers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    from ABC News

    Mexican Teen Pop Singer Ricardo Abarca Loses Fingers in Helicopter Accident

    GUATEMALA CITY, Sept. 4
    Doctors reattached three fingers to the hand of a a 16-year-old pop singer, after they were severed by a helicopter rotor as he waved to fans.

    Ricardo Abarca was getting off the aircraft at a Guatemala City airport on Saturday. In raising his hand to greet fans, he put it into the still-whirling rotor.

    "The index finger and middle finger were completely severed" surgeon Gustavo Lopez said Wednesday. "We still have some problems with bleeding from the area of his little finger"

    Abarca, who had only recently joined the popular teen group Mageneto, was still hospitalized in Guatemala Wednesday.

    [I hate spicks and beaners, so this story really made my day]

  46. R-44 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know both of these guys were supposed to be intelligent, but flying in a lightweight, low rotor inertia helicopter is not very bright. They have a nasty habit of falling out of the sky.

  47. carefull by skydude_20 · · Score: 1, Troll

    Leonard was a hell of a nice guy
    hell??
    becareful with that, you don't want to jinx anything here..

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    Jesus saves souls and redeems them for valuable cash prizes
  48. Re:Looks like David Zampino was gay... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Corey was his GF, moron. Look at the main page. Not that it matters if he was gay or not, tragic either way.

  49. Re:Possible causes... by kchoboter · · Score: 0

    It means fatality. Think about it!

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  50. Corey was his GIRLfriend, genius... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    (Not that it would matter to any decent or normal person anyway.)

    1. Re:Corey was his GIRLfriend, genius... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Since when is "Corey" a girl's name? How 'bout a few clues:

      Girl's names:

      • Alice
      • Mary
      • Doris
      • Joan
      • Olivia
      Gay names:
      • Brad
      • Bruce
      • Chad
      • Corey
      • Glen
  51. DAMN!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    THAT DOG BE BUGGIN'!!!

    lameness filter bypass please disregard.

  52. Re:Possible causes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think they'd write out the word "Fatality" if that's what they meant.

  53. The Actual Weather Report by BRock97 · · Score: 3, Informative
    The actual weather report for AKT (which has the FAA station identifier of KTN) is as follows:
    PAKT 300053Z 34009KT 10SM SCT040 BKN070 17/11 A3008 RMK AO2 SLP187
    HARBOR WND 31012KT T01720106=
    For those who don't read METAR (which includes some of us meteorologist), here is the gist:

    Temp: 63F/17C
    Dewp: 51F/11C
    Winds: Northwest at 14mph/12kts
    Pressure: 1018.7mb
    Sky: mostly scattered or broken between 4000ft/1220m to 7000ft/2135m
    Visibility: 10miles/16km

    All in all, not a bad day, though it was a little windy. I do agree with an above post that icing COULD be a possibility, but with a surface temp as warm as it was, they would have to be flying pretty high.
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    Bryan R.
    The price of freedom is eternal vigilance, or $12.50 as seen on eBay.....
    1. Re:The Actual Weather Report by FuegoFuerte · · Score: 1

      All in all, not a bad day, though it was a little windy. I do agree with an above post that icing COULD be a possibility, but with a surface temp as warm as it was, they would have to be flying pretty high.

      I take it you fly not? The thing about ice in aviation is, it can form at almost any temperature. In fact, it is much more likely to form in the 50-70 degree range than it is in very cold weather. The two places you might end up with ice formation in a chopper are in the carb (if it has one) or on the rotors. The warmer air can carry quite a bit of moisture, and then when it goes into the carb or passes over the rotors, there is a sudden drop in air temperature due to the lowering in pressure. This causes the moisture to condense and very possibly freeze. Therefore, ice could have very possibly been a factor in the crash.

    2. Re:The Actual Weather Report by The+Wing+Lover · · Score: 3, Interesting
      I do agree with an above post that icing COULD be a possibility, but with a surface temp as warm as it was, they would have to be flying pretty high.

      Huh? A surface temp of 17 celcius is the perfect temperature for forming carbueretor ice. The air cools 15-20 degrees in the carbueretor as it rushes through the venturi tube. Of course, as soon as this starts to happen, the process accelerates, since the ice effectively narrows the venturi tube, making the air even colder in there.



      Ironically, when the surface temp is near or below freezing, carb icing ceases to be an issue, since the air in the venturi is so cold that ice crystallizes quickly before the moisture gets on the walls of the venturi. However, at this temperature you need to wtart worrying about surface icing (does surface icing affect helicopters? I only fly planes.)

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    3. Re:The Actual Weather Report by BRock97 · · Score: 2

      Like I said, I am a meteorologist, not a pilot. I stand corrected and appreciate the information! Thanks.

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      Bryan R.
      The price of freedom is eternal vigilance, or $12.50 as seen on eBay.....
    4. Re:The Actual Weather Report by delcielo · · Score: 2

      The weather speculation is pretty specious here.

      The nearest weather report we have is Ketchikan, which is 30 miles from the crash site. My understanding is that the crash site is next to a lake, which means that you could have very localized conditions of fog or clouds.

      As far as ice, carb ice is very possible. Surface icing is possible if the temperature is low, and if you're flying in visible moisture. You won't get surface icing in the 60's.

      The truth is, we really don't have any idea what caused the accident. The NTSB does wonderful work. The field investigators and the lab technicians are magicians. There's no burning immediate need to find the cause, so let's wait for their report next year.

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    5. Re:The Actual Weather Report by eshefer · · Score: 2

      I think your confusing celsus with farenhiet. 17 degs celsus is 17 degries beond freasing, which is 0 degs in celsus.

    6. Re:The Actual Weather Report by Xerithane · · Score: 2

      I think your confusing celsus with farenhiet. 17 degs celsus is 17 degries beond freasing, which is 0 degs in celsus.

      No, go re-read what he said: The air cools 15-20 degrees in the carbueretor as it rushes through the venturi tube.

      17 degrees celsius - 20 = -3C == Freezing temperature.

      I just got back from Japan, and someone asked me how the weather was and I said it was a pretty humid 32+ week. They got really confused and asked, "I thought it was over 90 there?" *sigh*

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    7. Re:The Actual Weather Report by The+Wing+Lover · · Score: 2

      Um, no, being a Canadian who doesn't even understand temperatures in Fahrenheit at all, I understand Celcius perfectly well, thank you.

      I stand by my original statement. With a surface temperature at 17 degrees celcius, carbueretor icing is a problem, as the air inside the carbueretor is 15-20 degrees celcius cooler than the air outside.

      Please go back and read my post in its entirety and you will understand.

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    8. Re:The Actual Weather Report by The+Wing+Lover · · Score: 2
      I just got back from Japan, and someone asked me how the weather was and I said it was a pretty humid 32+ week. *sigh*

      Sane people never do Japan in August. I did it once. That was enough for me. From now on it's March or November!

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      - In Capitalist America, law violates YOU!

    9. Re:The Actual Weather Report by Xerithane · · Score: 1

      Sane people never do Japan in August. I did it once. That was enough for me. From now on it's March or November!

      Everything is air conditioned, it's not too bad. The real problem is the fact that everyone and their brother, dog, cat, and second cousin twice removed goes to Japan in August because thats the big holiday season. To get on a cheap fare ($700) you have to reserve 3 months in advance it seems. In September, you can go for about $550 round trip. November I think you can get a ticket for around $400 - $450.

      Now comes the off-topic :)

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    10. Re:The Actual Weather Report by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I take it you don't fly either. Ever heard of 'carb heat'. This is standard equipment on all naturally aspirated engines. Carb heat warms the walls of the carb to prevent ice from forming in exactly the conditions you describe.

      And your statement that 'ice can form at almost any temperature' is just plain idiotic. Ice forms at or below the freeezing point (32 F) period.

    11. Re:The Actual Weather Report by eshefer · · Score: 1

      I stand corrected, should have read the original post more carefully before gabbing out..

  54. A real pleasure to work (remotely) with LNZ by el+borak · · Score: 4, Informative
    Many years ago, I wrote the original Buslogic driver for Linux. After maintaining it for a while, Leonard appeared with significant improvements. I knew the name sounded vaguely familiar but it took me a while to place.

    As an undergrad at CMU, the CS terminal room was rather evenly split between DEC VT52 and Concept C100 terminals. And then there were the "special" terminals: the Concept-LNZ. These amazing little creatures were a result of Leonard's graduate work. They contained custom firmware that the locally hacked version of Unix Emacs contained special support for. It cached frequently displayed tokens in local (off screen) video memory and exchanged an encoded/compressed token stream with the editor. Working over a 2400 bps serial line was an absolute dream on these. It sped up the editing sessions to an amazing degree.

    When I asked Leonard in an e-mail if he was "the" LNZ of Concept-LNZ fame, he was rather flabergasted that someone would remember this over 10 years later. He gradually took over support for the Buslogic driver as he was both a better driver writer and had local access to the Buslogic lab to do testing.

    When I read this headline, my gut tied in a very tight knot that will not soon be untangled.

    We'll miss you, Leonard.

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    1. Re:A real pleasure to work (remotely) with LNZ by dgou · · Score: 1

      Wow, I'd almost forgotten about the Concept-LNZs. Very cool in their day. I didn't know Leonard that well back then, but appreciated his efforts and enjoyed the results of his work. Am sorry that I didn't follow his work more closely. Sad to see such a bright flame extinguished so soon...

  55. Re:*Linux developers are dying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only reason why *BSD developers aren't dying is because there aren't any of them left!

    *rimshot*

  56. Power of Open Source (not flamebait or troll) by powerlinekid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    First of all my condolances to the loved ones of David and Leonard. I never knew either, but from the glowing comments I've read... I wish I had. Unfortunately shit happens. Its part of life. However even though Leonard has passed on, his legacy will be the code he has contributed to linux. From what I've understand that seems to be some extensive work on the scsi system which is no small task in its self. All of this makes me wonder, because of the freedom of his code... his work will live on through others, would this be the case in "non-OS" software? Say Company M has a programmer P who is chiefly responsible for widget W. Now say programmer P passes on and besides maybe a few people who understand the code, who works on W? But if P's work was done to be scrutinized by the masses, that work would continue on. I believe this is one important reason why information should be free. If something happens to the creator, their work can continue on if it has value to someone. It makes me wonder how many people had brilliant ideas, but closely guarded them to the point that they died with them.

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    1. Re:Power of Open Source (not flamebait or troll) by snake_dad · · Score: 2

      Remember that P might stop working on W for other reasons then death. He might leave the company, he might retire. Companies need to plan for that possibility. In open source developing, someone else might pick up the project, because he needs the functionality. On the other hand, the project may be forgotten.

      Company M has to make sure that the continuity of W is guaranteed, either by current co-workers, or by contracting someone new to continu it. If they don't they will be out of business soon. This is one of the reasons that closed source software is more expensive then software hacked on by one single person. Businesses may keep "old" development tools, just because it may be easier to replace a no longer available employee by an experienced developer.

      I do not disagree with your assertion that information freedom is important, but your assumption that it is necessary for software to be open source to guarantee continuity in case of a dying developer is wrong, IMHO. What happens if the business itself goes belly-up is an entirely different matter ofcourse.

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    2. Re:Power of Open Source (not flamebait or troll) by powerlinekid · · Score: 2

      I was going to get into when companies go under, which entails the whole issue with abandon-ware. However when P retires, if they last that long, most likely there will be non-disclosure agreements. I know from working at IBM that everything i do is theirs. I would imagine any separation of P from M would require some hefty paperwork, if W was that important. However you are right, I'm sure in most cases W will be picked up by someone else. My concern was more about what happens when someone doesn't. That M decides that it'll cost too much to train someone else to hack around on W. Or you have an anti-stallman. Someone that creates their own tools and system, and instead of giving it to everyone generously, they keep it to themselves. Thats their right and I respect it, but it still kinda sucks.

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  57. Pah. by BollocksToThis · · Score: 1

    I don't need to personally know anyone to make a joke. If you're offended, move on... I didn't write it to offend anyone, only to provide a laugh for people who understand what a joke is.

    Why is it up to you to decide what's ok and what's not?

    Damned self righteous "everyone should think like me" users.

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  58. Yes it is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And I have already metamoderated the Flamebait moderation as unfair.

  59. lnz was cool by dan_bethe · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here are some big runon blurbs I tend to write in order to fondly remember and credit someone.

    I was employee number twentysomething (IT admin) at VA Research, and I was interviewed by Larry, Rob, and Leonard. lnz always had time to randomly consult on the spot with employees in terms of engineering or general technology. Whenever he'd breeze through the office (never coming in before afternoon), ya knew he was kickin some ass. He was often seen smiling. He was one of the first people I was personally aware of to really use Linux itself to make a big dent in major industry, through his work with Buslogic and Mylex SCSI controllers. He told me when Adaptec finally stopped disavowing the existance of Linux, they came to VA and said "We're sorry. Can we play with Linux now?" and lnz said, "No. Too late." He'd already schooled them on Linux from the grassroots on up, forcing them to acknowledge an emerging market. I'm sure he was a strong mentor for that driver engineering and reverse engineering community. Man, that takes devotion and patience.

    Ya couldn't mess with his workflow. He had like a mini data center and R&D lab at his house, which he relied solely on at all times, telneting home and xhosting his XEmacs display back to the office when we had public IP addresses for all workstations. :} I'd just negotiate with him so that he didn't have to end up scrounging together an engineering team to duplicate all of IT's infrastructure. *wink to mobyone and claw*

    Then with the pre-IPO, he had to move his R&D out of his house into the office. This was when we were in the original garage-like Mountain View office next door to SGI North American sales on Shoreline, and our building's resources was about 3 times overcommitted by our growth rate. We had phone lines and ethernet cords draping out of the ceiling down to shared desks in order to accommodate having new employees per week, and I had to figure out how to route power all around the building using very warm and very illegal 14 gauge extension cords from each available power circuit to wherever in the building lnz's engineers needed them. Routed em like some people route ethernet cables. Such as to lnz's new 1 terabyte file server sitting next to my desk, powered by the women's restroom. That server was lnz's baby; you may have seen it at the March 1999 Linuxworld Expo. He blew that circuit that afternoon. Permanently. The women's restroom never worked again. Thanks to his rapidly growing engineering dept and to our new sales dept, the power generator in the back was hot enough to singe your body hair when you opened the door to it. The fsck alone on that event pushed the ship date back a day or more. Yeah he was shipping 1TB RAID servers with ext2. :}

    lnz inadvertantly taught me a lot about fire and safety codes of Mountain View and Sunnyvale, and he taught me the proper use of the word "cryonics" instead of Hollywood's improper use of "cryogenics". He's one super nice guy. Hope to see ya around, lnz.

    1. Re:lnz was cool by shlong · · Score: 5, Informative

      He told me when Adaptec finally stopped disavowing the existance of Linux, they came to VA and said "We're sorry. Can we play with Linux now?" and lnz said, "No. Too late." He'd already schooled them on Linux from the grassroots on up, forcing them to acknowledge an emerging market.

      I really am sorry to hear of Mr. Zubkoff's death, and I certainly do not wish to disrepect him, but this comment is totally and completely wrong. I was one of the Adaptec guys in that meeting. The conversation was something like this:

      We're working on officially supporting Linux. One thing that we noticed is that the Linux SCSI layer really, really, really sucks. We'd like to rewrite it, but we need your political support.

      I agree that the SCSI layer needs to be fixed, but I'd rather fix it myself than support you. Goodbye.

      There was no "schooling us on Linux from the grassroots up", only a rather rude snub at our offer to make Linux better. That was 15 months ago, and we haven't seen any significant progress towards fixing the SCSI layer, other than the patches for bugfixes that we come up with and submit ourselves.

      You attempt to troll Adaptec for something that you obviously were not a part of is not appreciated. Look at all of the SCSI vendors out there and tell me which gives better support for Linux? All of our drivers are GPL and we give bug fixes back to the community when we find them. What's your problem?

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    2. Re:lnz was cool by dan_bethe · · Score: 5, Informative

      Good grief! Get a grip! All I said is that's what he told me in 1999. I know he was wacky, egotistical, and NIH-oriented, and that Linux's SCSI has issues! :) Comments aren't always perfect from everyone's point of view and the topic is in memory of a nice guy.

      To respond to your semi-relevant and personally misconstrued tangent, Adaptec had been utterly uninvolved with Linux up to that point in time, and the Linux drivers were very low end even though the community had done an awesome job of reverse engineering them without Adaptec's help. Immediately before joining VA, I was in 3rd level support at Netcom Hosting which consisted exclusively of Adaptec 2940UW's on Linux, and we had to disable every advanced feature just to keep them booted. I later worked with a guy who had previously been a project manager at Adaptec and who described to me the horrors involved in trying to get Adaptec's management to acknowledge the basic relevance of the existance of IEEE1394, and who concurred that they had been unconcerned with Linux at the point I mentioned.

      The open source community's unstoppable ingenuity is what forced a lot of companies in general to pay attention to Linux's virtues in order to eventually remain relevant. That's all I meant. It was a comment about lnz's personal tenacity in his memory as a community icon, not an orthagonally correct industrial analysis.

      The first half of your comment was relevant and appreciated though. I don't have the anonymous bitterness and cynicism required to contend in Slashdot discussions, so have a nice day and please move on. :)

    3. Re:lnz was cool by Afty0r · · Score: 1
      I really am sorry to hear of Mr. Zubkoff's death, and I certainly do not wish to disrepect him, but this comment is totally and completely wrong. I was one of the Adaptec guys in that meeting. The conversation was something like this:

      We're working on officially supporting Linux. One thing that we noticed is that the Linux SCSI layer really, really, really sucks. We'd like to rewrite it, but we need your political support.

      I agree that the SCSI layer needs to be fixed, but I'd rather fix it myself than support you. Goodbye.

      There was no "schooling us on Linux from the grassroots up", only a rather rude snub
      It was perhaps a rude snub, it was also perhaps very deserved after Adaptec had spent years rudely snubbing Linux...
    4. Re:lnz was cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're an asskissing fuckball. YOU shut the fuck up and move on.

    5. Re:lnz was cool by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 2

      "Look at all of the SCSI vendors out there and tell me which gives better support for Linux?"

      Um, BusLogic? Who supported Linux LONG before Adaptec did? In fact, the very drivers that LNZ maintained? Whose cards had mature Linux drivers LONG before you even acknowledged Linux?

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    6. Re:lnz was cool by pben · · Score: 1

      I would like to see your new SCSI layer could you post a URL? It is GPL afterall you don't need anybodys permission to post a patch. If your ideas are good I am sure that it will get in the kernel one way or another.

      Stop crying and show us the code.

    7. Re:lnz was cool by shlong · · Score: 2

      I would like to see your new SCSI layer could you post a URL? It is GPL afterall you don't need anybodys permission to post a patch. If your ideas are good I am sure that it will get in the kernel one way or another.

      I know I shouldn't respond to trolls, but I'm already having a pissy day. Because of lack of support from Leonard, we never wrote the code. Why? Because it would have been a waste of our time; our goal was to write code that would be accepted into the official distributions and the Linus tree. Without the support of someone like Leonard and VA, the success of this couldn't be guaranteed. Too bad, your loss. Take your GPL whining somewhere else. Oh, and if you're thinking, "I bet this guy is full of crap," we (my team, though not I) already wrote a very successfull SCSI layer... go look at FreeBSD.

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    8. Re:lnz was cool by shlong · · Score: 2

      Look, all you clowns keep on saying, "In 1999, Adaptec snubbed Linux. Therefore, they suck!" For you're information, it's now 2002, and Adaptec is not snubbing Linux. Here is a good place to look. Adaptec writes all of it's drivers in house (with the exception of the aacraid driver, it's been a joint effort with RedHat) and gives them official support. We participate in the mailing lists and work closely with the vendors. We feed bugfixes back to the community, even when they aren't for our code. We have a public presence and respond to everyone who emails us. About the only thing we don't do is tape a $100 bill to all of our products and ship them for free to you.

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  60. RIP: Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Microsoft already ate your lunch, you filthy hippies. Free software...sheesh!

  61. hist last post to the newsgroups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=linux.scsi.20 0203111804.g2BI4FrY013585%40dandelion.com&oe=UTF-8

  62. Re:Pah. back by buswolley · · Score: 1

    not to me. take it as a suggestion of courtesy. no more or less.

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  63. yet another example by Unordained · · Score: 1

    ... of why slashdot should just give us permanent moderator priv's. so we don't have to have posts like these (and those above, from my point of view) to ask for moderation.

  64. Re:Pah. back by BollocksToThis · · Score: 1

    take it as a suggestion of courtesy. no more or less.

    Well, fair enough, but that's not how you phrased it originally...

    "User bla, please log out"
    "If you knew him it might be acceptable"

    The reaction's pretty ridiculous too... like I said in another post, if Bill Gates had died in the helicopter crash, noone would worry about 'tact', or 'courtesy', and they'd get modded up for it. There'd be 30 +5 funny comments saying "Ha! The copter must've been running windozzzze!"

    Just because this guy wrote some code for an OS we like, he's a saint, and we must all pay respect and mourn his passing.

    He wasn't the only person that died today.

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    This sig is part of your complete breakfast.
  65. Leonard and Emacs / Richard Stallman and GPL by leighklotz · · Score: 4, Informative

    Leonard made changes to Emacs on ITS and TOPS-10 when he was at CMU, in order to take advantage of the screen buffer controls (insert line, rather than redraw-rest-of-screen, etc.) on the Heath/Zenith H19/Z19 VT52 clone.

    Although as everyone knows Leonard later became a strong contributor to free software, these updates to Emacs he placed under a restrictive license, and vigorously protected his code. RMS was quite upset by this, as were some other folks. Although Stallman's tiff with Symbolics over Lisp Machine source access is often cited as the reason he started the GNU project, I believe that his interactions with Leonard over ZEmacs were an even earlier influence.

    So, in some sense, we have Leonard to thank for the Gnu project that he later contributed to.

    Here is the earliest Usenet mention that Google has (we weren't all big USENET users in those days -- it was mostly UUCP modem-based systems).

  66. Filk singing convention by billstewart · · Score: 2

    Filk was around as a genre before the typo that gave it its name :-) Consonance is an annual music convention in the Bay Area.

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  67. Also announced at Worldcon convention by billstewart · · Score: 2

    Leonard's death was also mentioned at the Worldcon science fiction convention in San Jose. I don't think I know him, but many of the other filk singers did - as his web page says, he's been hosting the web site for the Consonance annual music conventions, and the "dandelion" in his domain name and masthead has become somewhat of an icon for the filk music genre. Lotsa folks knew and miss him.

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    1. Re:Also announced at Worldcon convention by XNormal · · Score: 2

      I was wondering whether the sad news made it in time for the WorldCon, considering the fact that the helicopter crash took place on the last day of ConJose.

      If you got the chance to know filkers you'll know that the filksings in his memory must have been a very moving experience. I always found it amazing how filk can combine the utmost in sarcasm, cynicism and irony with the most romantic, sentimental and heroic.

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    2. Re:Also announced at Worldcon convention by Mary+the+Filker · · Score: 1

      It was indeed announced--that's how I found out. It had been posted on rec.music.filk before several of us got the e-mail about it. The announcement was in dot.con Daily #10 (the daily newsletter for WorldCon, I think Sunday's evening edition). Damn...before he shut down the business, Dandelion Digital, while not the ones who did the first filk CDs, issued some of the better ones. Mary the Filker Random Factors (I'm one of the dealers)

  68. honorary mod up of parent by deathcow · · Score: 2

    lol....

  69. immortality by drwho · · Score: 2

    there's something to it...when I saw the name I knew it was someone important, but I couldn't connect the name to the accomplishment. Yeah, Leonard lives on, in my dmesg. What more can a man ask for? as I have watched so many machines boot over the years, names such as his have become so familiar.

    Fare the well Leonard, in the great archive in the sky, and be assured that backups will retain your code, forever.

  70. I knew Leonard back when.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was an undergrad at CMU and Leonard was a grad student (he ended up being an ABD student).

    His thesis was on optimizing transmission to video displays - the work he did on the Concept-LNZ terminal was a part of the proof-of-concept.

    I remember being in his office at Tartan Labs where he showed me a full screen refresh at 110 baud in under 2 seconds.

    Those of you who don't remember life on a slow link don't realize how extraordinary that was but...

    My wife used to clean Leonards house, and Leonard, his (now ex) wife Jan, Valorie and I became friends. The last time I saw him was at Confrancisco back in '94.

    We've lost touch over the past 8 or so years, but he will be sorely missed.

  71. Re:Obit topic--Absolutely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Footsteps in the sand. That's a great idea. Mod it up please, or at least use it.
    Good idea!

  72. Leonard was on the Alcor Advisory Board by tlambert · · Score: 2

    "I feel sorry that he's not going to get a chance to test it out himself."

    Leonard was on the Alcor Advisory Board:

    http://alcor.org/AboutAlcor/alcorStaff.htm

    Since you are not permitted to be a board member unless you are signed up, it's likely he will be suspended, regardless of the situation, unless there is a requirement for an autopsy, and Alcor is unable to get a court order to have the body released.

    In general, Alcor is very aggressive in ensuring that its patients get suspended as quickly as possible, and with as little concommitant damage as possible. Everyone doing the work is themselves signed up, and will treat the patient as they themselves expect to be treated.

    Even in the case of serious damage, there will be a "best effort" attempt, unless the patient specifies otherwise; from the FAQ ( http://alcor.org/FAQs/ ):

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    Q: What if it is impossible to place me into suspension?
    A: The Alcor Cryonic Suspension Agreement has provisions for this possibility. Options are available, including naming secondary beneficiaries to whom funds set aside for suspension can be paid. Many members want their suspension funds going towards efforts focusing on recovering any biological remains whatsoever, regardless of the degree of damage or time elapsed.
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    The person to contact for status should be the Alcor press contact; whether or not they will make information available in this depends wholly on the privacy agreements in place with the patient.

    -- Terry

  73. I worked with Leonard on XFree86 by ajv · · Score: 2

    I have nothing but praise for Leonard. He worked diligently on the project, and was always helpful. He had some of the most kickass hardware around (a 4 processor personal box, for example).

    Although I have not worked on XFree86 for a while, I'm sure he will be missed.

    Andrew

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  74. I feel sick by stor · · Score: 1

    I appreciate the thought /. but reading some of the comments here I feel sick to my stomach. Maybe /. shouldn't post obituary-style articles?

    I'm incredibly open-minded esp. when it comes to humour but a lot of the posts on this article are from really sick people who should get help.
    Don't give me some "It's just a web-based forum, lighten up!" crap. We're talking about people dying in a tragic accident here for godsake.

    Let me please pass on my condolences to all those affected by this tragedy.

    Cheers
    Stor

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    "Yeah well there's a lot of stuff that should be, but isn't"
  75. Trolls Get it Right by evilviper · · Score: 1

    45-year-old Leonard Zubkoff of Crystal Bay, Nevada was found dead in his home today.

    Hey, maybe the trolls are working on the broken-clock principal. Eventually, they get the announcement correct. Or perhaps we could call it the "psychic freinds" principal?

    No disrespect. I just thought this thread could use a little humor.

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  76. Re:Bummer. And thanks. by ajs · · Score: 2

    As much as I despise Linux "advocates" these days

    Why is an advocate a bad thing? I advocate a great many technologies when I feel they are the right tool for the job. Have I done something to offend?

  77. Consipiracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wreckon Micro$oft is behind the crash...As the kernel developers fall...

  78. Ever notice by Proc6 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    How no one that dies is ever a "total asshole, Im glad he's gone"? When was the last time you heard that at a funeral?

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    1. Re:Ever notice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i imagine we'll hear it a lot at yours.

  79. This is a sad day by DrunkenPenguin · · Score: 1
    I shall express my condolence. The memory of Leonard Zubkoff will live in Linux.
    • ("40" by U2)

      I waited patiently for the Lord
      He inclined and heard my cry
      He brought me up out of the pit
      Out of the miry clay

      I will sing, sing a new song

      He set my feet upon a rock
      And made my footsteps firm
      Many will see
      Many will see and fear

      I will sing, sing a new song
  80. Concept LNZ! by Jamie+Zawinski · · Score: 3, Informative
    Yeah, I remember those! I worked in that terminal room when I was in high school, and the C-LNZs were definitely the ones to get; they were so much faster. Then years later, I worked with Leonard at Lucid, and was shocked to discover that he was that very same LNZ. I'm sure I gushed at him about what an amazing hack those terminals were.

    Bye, Leonard. You'll be missed.

  81. Re:Slashdot playing favorites? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    [sniff, sniff] Smells like... CONSPIRACY!

    You're right, after all, Stephen King died at 54 and slashdot won't post it. Plus, *BSD is dying every day....

  82. Re:*Linux developers are dying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    *BSD developers are dying too; you just won't see their obits on slashdot.

  83. Re:God bless you, Dave. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On the contrary my friend. It is 5:20 AM and I think I just woke up my sleeping wife after reading that and howling in pure unadulterated glee. That comment was the funniest thing I have read in this entire thread. It is just not funny to you. No disrespect intended either, I am sure they will both be missed by friends and family. The point is, everyone's time comes. What better tribute than to have your death posted on /. and be the subject of many a heartfelt comment as well as be the focus for the troll hordes who always make me laugh?

  84. Yeah sure.... by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    That is why you hide your cowardice behind a bit more of anonimity.

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    IANAL but write like a drunk one.
  85. Humor is not always needed. by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    This thread could have done with less of it...

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    IANAL but write like a drunk one.
    1. Re:Humor is not always needed. by evilviper · · Score: 1

      Let me guess... You think that this should be a sad occasion? Did you know the deceased? If not, what reason do you have to care, and be sad?

      This just happens to remind me of Princess Dianna's death. People around the world crying for someone they hadn't even met, and people she probably wouldn't have spit on if they were on fire.

      But I digress. Someone has died. Oh how sad. Did I mention that thousands upon thousands die every day? Crime, starvation, disease, accidents, etc. You can't very well expect anyone that didn't know the deceased to do any more than notate it in their minds and move on.

      Am I being morbid, or cruel? Nope, just honest. A little reality is long overdue. If you don't know the person, you are just faking sadness cause you believe you should. Just another poser.

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  86. Re:Pah. back by Corporate+Troll · · Score: 1

    Even if Bill Gates died in an accident, I don't think anyone should be disrespectfull about that loss off life. Hell, I would flame people that made fun of his death. (And happily lose Modpoints if nessecary)
    One can laugh with death, but most of the time it's just to cope better with the sorrow. So if you did not care about the deceased, don't say anything.
    Remember: speaking is silver, silence is golden. Especially on these kind of topics.

  87. URL to his obit. page by tytso · · Score: 2

    A URL to a page describing the circumstances of his death, complete with links to the FAA report and where donations in lieu of flowers can be sent can be found at
    http://www.puffin.com/puffin/lnz/Leonard.htm.

    Leonard was a good friend of mine. He will be missed.

    1. Re:URL to his obit. page by Qwertygrrl · · Score: 2, Informative

      There is also a page of memories from some of his friends in the filking community at:

      http://www.filking.net/articles/zubkoff.html

  88. A very good question... by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 2

    It's a good thing Leonard has done such an excellent job with the drivers - They're mature and won't need TOO much fixing. But who will update them to new kernels/etc? Hopefully someone will take up the slack.

    I have a FlashPoint controller. It started acting up after upgrading to a K6-2/500 (from a 300) - It would randomly hang the system. (Timing problem in the driver)

    Seems like a total of 3-4 people on the planet had a similar hw combo (A Flashpoint in a higher-speed K6/2) and problems, nonetheless, Leonard had a patch out to fix the problem within a week of the first reports of anything happening. A role model for any other software developer...

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    retrorocket.o not found, launch anyway?
  89. Re:Bummer. And thanks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have I done something to offend?

    Nothing specific. You are just an asshole in general.

  90. privileged man dies, mourning at 11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    In the time it takes you to read this article and its comments, a couple of dozen people will have died in Iraq and Afghanistan from lack of basic nutrients and shelter.

    When 2 billion live on less than a dollar a day, how you can mourn the passing of someone who got all the best breaks is beyond me.. do you merkins really have that much of a hero mentality?

    Hell, I may mourn the passing of close family and friends in a slightly different way because I have had a special relationship with them, but every death is as tragic.

    I guess this is the geek equivalent of the vigils for John Lennon, or the weeping housewives parading the streets of London as Diana's coffin passed by..

    Slashdot. Tabloid for Nerds, News that Gets Young Men Worked Up. What next, "Taco's People"?

  91. I disagree by Raul654 · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Worse than lack of moderation would be giving too much power to moderators. If you want, a nice techinical solution would to set it up so that most moderators can only use their points on comments with a score in the 0-2 (inclusive) range. As it is now, once you hit 3 or especially 4, you are very likely to hit 5. The rest of the moderators have to use their points in the 3-5 range.

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  92. Mylex Driver by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    This guy did so much to support these cards. I hope that he rests in peace.

    It would be a fitting tribute to make sure that the next v2.4 tree release had fall working DAC960 driver with a note or rememberence.

    The drivers in the current tree do not work. The do_mounts file needs some defines put in and some other changes.

  93. Re:Moment of Silence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I just farted.

    Was it smelly?

    Smelled worse than a Linux/D&D/anime convention, if you can imagine that. It was bad enough to kill several small animals and H1B visa holders here in the NOC.

  94. LINUX DEVELOPER? SHOULDA NAMED HIM LEONARD JACKOFF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  95. Re:Moment of Silence by leviramsey · · Score: 1
    Smelled worse than a Linux/D&D/anime convention

    Now there's a convention that any city would be proud to host. At least we could be sure that CmdrTaco would show up!

  96. Re:Possible causes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hope you're kidding. Of course it means "fatality."

  97. BSD is not dying by nenolod · · Score: 1

    I don't understand your joke. BSD is not dying, infact it is very alive. The FreeBSD group is about to launch FreeBSD 5.0. So, how do you conclude that BSD is dying? If you're going to troll, then at least know what you are talking about.

  98. Re:Pah. back by fromthehill · · Score: 1

    I've always respected Leonard, just like I've personally always respected William. Now you come to say you'd have the right to flame Leo because I'd flame Bill? Get a life! There's a lot taken away from us, Leo is just the peak.
    I've liked the cooperation we've had since back in 2.0 very much. I just won't accept you nor anyone making fun of something like this.
    Thunder