I've been going to comdex since I was 16 or so, and it's real simple - don't tell them how old you are. No one really cares, they just don't want a bunch of kids running around.
The article was ok until I found the word list from "The Anti-Defamation League". Vince Foster? Ollie North? Gun? These people are loonies. Somehow I doubt the NSA has time to pore over messages that contain the word 'gun' or 'drug', much less crackpot militia theories about Vince Foster. And I'm sure the NSA is real worried about the remaning Davidians.
I haven't found that I prefer either yet - usually, I have found that the onset of vh1-liking occurs some time in the mid-20s. It's a sign of impending fogeydom.:)
I work for the government, and we have a number of the toughbooks around. Some of our work involves getting pretty dirty, and being exposed to the elements quite a bit so they've been pretty handy. They're rock hard - they have waterproof plugs for all the external ports, and are just generally hardcore, not to mention satisfyingly clunky.
Only problem is, everyone in the district uses Windows, which lessens the effect. Try and picture a hardass black tough-guy notebook with the Utopia sound scheme on it...
I think the concept of RTFM is silly. Sure, manuals come in handy sometimes, but it's much easier to ask someone who knows what they're doing than to dig through pages of documentation. Plus, you'll probably learn quite a bit asking an experienced user a question than you will reading from a manual filled with information that is irrelevant to you at the time.
I'm not trying to flame, but the current version of OpenLinux is 2.3 - was this just a misprint, or was he seriously trying to install an obsolete version? If it was the older one, I wouldn't be surprised that he had trouble. The new COL is one of the simplest linux installs.
Now now, Gateway did not kill the Amiga. Amiga management killed Amiga. Gateway is just one in a long string of suckers that tried to revive Amiga once again. But now it looks like the Amiga really is dead. Sucks, I was kind of looking forward to the new machines. I reccomend that the Amigans out there give BeOS a try, it seems to be the closest thing to the Amiga spirit, but actually has a future.
Great. A major complaint of GPL supporters has been removed from the BSDL, and what do slashdot readers do? Post a load of smartassed comments about how "We should GPL BSD, ha ha."
Even if one could GPL BSD, which you couldn't, it doesn't mean one should do it, and throw ethics out the window. To do so would be showing an utter lack respect for the creators of the software.
Ok, I've long since dropped out of this thread, but I wouldn't say samba is one of the shining stars of the GPL. I've had some serious stability problems with samba(running under DGUX:). Plus, you left out gimp...
Methods for Installing Debian 5.3 Installing from a Hard Disk 5.4 Installing from a CD-ROM 5.5 Installing from NFS 5.6 Installing from Floppies
a) See "Installing over ftp" anywhere? b) See any mention of installing over ftp anywhere in the Debian docs?
Sure, I could boot and ftp the base system manually and give the installer the path of that, but point is, BSD offers support for ftp installation in the installer, on 1 or 2 disks, depending on the bsd, and debian makes it a pain in the ass.
Well, I'm not THAT rabid about it, I just like BSD licensing better on a philosophical basis.:) Both systems have their advantages, but I think BSD has more.
Well, I have no experience with debian's packaging, but the snag I have with RPMs is that there's no option to automatically fetch and install dependencies...although I may be wrong. I haven't used rpm all that extensively, in fact...um, I ususally use GnoRPM.:)
The Debian package management system sounds pretty nice - all I've used is rpms under redhat and suse. I just think that their version of installing over ftp is a little odd. Sitting around making 14 floppies is a complete pain compared to booting off of 2 with freebsd and having it suck the rest down from there.
Actually, freebsd does have an alternative to the ports tree - you can add precompiled packages using/stand/sysinstall, and it works pretty much the same way as far as fetching dependencies as well. I just like to compile my own stuff most of the time.
One of these days I'll have to order some cheap debian cd's and give it a try that way, but for now I'm going to stick with RedHat, and possibly SuSE, when 6.2 is available for download. It seems to be the best designed distro for my tastes, but the fact that they're totally commercial is annoying.
what were they about? I've hung out with Theo before, and he seems to be an ok guy, although he does have a bit of a temper sometimes...something I guess I can accept from someone who's contributed so much to a free OS.
I wouldn't agree with any of the original points you mention. Those are largely irrelevant, and aren't things that I normally hear from the BSD camp. The way that FreeBSD is developed is certainly an advantage to them, but what matters is the results of that development.
I've tried every Linux distro I can get my hands on, in the hope of finding one I like(I didn't). In my opinion, the things that make FreeBSD superior to Linux are:
1. Good package management. There is no better system for managing dependencies, installing, upgrading, and removing software than the ports tree. RPM's are laughable in comparison.
2. Stability. This is simply a matter of experience. I've had Linux crash after installs, lock up, etc, and FreeBSD hasn't. As with speed, it changes in comparison to Linux with each release.
3. Total non-commerciality. Almost every linux distro is bent on making money. Some, like Caldera and SuSE, don't even let you download the current versions. The process for installing over ftp is horrible in most distros, and Debian, the one that is supposed to be non-commercial, has no real option for installing over ftp, unless you want to make 14 floppies first. FreeBSD is FREE. They make it easy to install over ftp, instead of making it painful enough that you'll want to buy a CD.
4. Cvsup. Makes it easy to keep up to date with the current codebase, and allows one to totally recompile the OS as wanted.
5. The BSD license. A matter of personal taste, of course, but I believe free software should be free.
If you have a rebuttal to those, I'd be interested.
The reason I think FreeBSD gets more pr is that it is quite a bit easier to use. I don't think many people care about running on different architectures all that much, honestly. Which is not to say that netbsd hasn't done some awesome stuff...
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The 'More evil than satan himself' query was originally reported in this BeDope story.
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I've been going to comdex since I was 16 or so, and it's real simple - don't tell them how old you are. No one really cares, they just don't want a bunch of kids running around.
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The article was ok until I found the word list from "The Anti-Defamation League". Vince Foster? Ollie North? Gun? These people are loonies. Somehow I doubt the NSA has time to pore over messages that contain the word 'gun' or 'drug', much less crackpot militia theories about Vince Foster. And I'm sure the NSA is real worried about the remaning Davidians.
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"This memo does not specify an Internet standard of any kind."
I suppose it doesn't really matter. Seems pretty inconsequential to me, since naming standards are pretty routinely violated.
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I haven't found that I prefer either yet - usually, I have found that the onset of vh1-liking occurs some time in the mid-20s. It's a sign of impending fogeydom. :)
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course, i don't really like tv.
I work for the government, and we have a number of the toughbooks around. Some of our work involves getting pretty dirty, and being exposed to the elements quite a bit so they've been pretty handy. They're rock hard - they have waterproof plugs for all the external ports, and are just generally hardcore, not to mention satisfyingly clunky.
Only problem is, everyone in the district uses Windows, which lessens the effect. Try and picture a hardass black tough-guy notebook with the Utopia sound scheme on it...
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I think the concept of RTFM is silly. Sure, manuals come in handy sometimes, but it's much easier to ask someone who knows what they're doing than to dig through pages of documentation. Plus, you'll probably learn quite a bit asking an experienced user a question than you will reading from a manual filled with information that is irrelevant to you at the time.
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I'm not trying to flame, but the current version of OpenLinux is 2.3 - was this just a misprint, or was he seriously trying to install an obsolete version? If it was the older one, I wouldn't be surprised that he had trouble. The new COL is one of the simplest linux installs.
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An amigan saying BeOS has no future? Talk about the pot and the kettle...
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Now now, Gateway did not kill the Amiga. Amiga management killed Amiga. Gateway is just one in a long string of suckers that tried to revive Amiga once again. But now it looks like the Amiga really is dead. Sucks, I was kind of looking forward to the new machines. I reccomend that the Amigans out there give BeOS a try, it seems to be the closest thing to the Amiga spirit, but actually has a future.
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Well, then the easy solution is to use an OS that won't support your soundcard...long live FreeBSD! -lx
Great. A major complaint of GPL supporters has been removed from the BSDL, and what do slashdot readers do? Post a load of smartassed comments about how "We should GPL BSD, ha ha."
Even if one could GPL BSD, which you couldn't, it doesn't mean one should do it, and throw ethics out the window. To do so would be showing an utter lack respect for the creators of the software.
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GASP! Then, NT might become a better platform! People would be forced to use higher-quality software! Where will it all end???
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Whatever happened with diamond making nvida-based cards? I heard about stb, but nothing about diamond...
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Ok, I've long since dropped out of this thread, but I wouldn't say samba is one of the shining stars of the GPL. I've had some serious stability problems with samba(running under DGUX :). Plus, you left out gimp...
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9 disks??? Golly! That's far better than 14!
Methods for Installing Debian
5.3 Installing from a Hard Disk
5.4 Installing from a CD-ROM
5.5 Installing from NFS
5.6 Installing from Floppies
a) See "Installing over ftp" anywhere?
b) See any mention of installing over ftp anywhere in the Debian docs?
Sure, I could boot and ftp the base system manually and give the installer the path of that, but point is, BSD offers support for ftp installation in the installer, on 1 or 2 disks, depending on the bsd, and debian makes it a pain in the ass.
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Well, I'm not THAT rabid about it, I just like BSD licensing better on a philosophical basis. :) Both systems have their advantages, but I think BSD has more.
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Well, I have no experience with debian's packaging, but the snag I have with RPMs is that there's no option to automatically fetch and install dependencies...although I may be wrong. I haven't used rpm all that extensively, in fact...um, I ususally use GnoRPM. :)
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I was referring to debian. I know redhat takes only one. Go fud yourself.
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The Debian package management system sounds pretty nice - all I've used is rpms under redhat and suse. I just think that their version of installing over ftp is a little odd. Sitting around making 14 floppies is a complete pain compared to booting off of 2 with freebsd and having it suck the rest down from there.
/stand/sysinstall, and it works pretty much the same way as far as fetching dependencies as well. I just like to compile my own stuff most of the time.
Actually, freebsd does have an alternative to the ports tree - you can add precompiled packages using
One of these days I'll have to order some cheap debian cd's and give it a try that way, but for now I'm going to stick with RedHat, and possibly SuSE, when 6.2 is available for download. It seems to be the best designed distro for my tastes, but the fact that they're totally commercial is annoying.
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what were they about? I've hung out with Theo before, and he seems to be an ok guy, although he does have a bit of a temper sometimes...something I guess I can accept from someone who's contributed so much to a free OS.
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I wouldn't agree with any of the original points you mention. Those are largely irrelevant, and aren't things that I normally hear from the BSD camp. The way that FreeBSD is developed is certainly an advantage to them, but what matters is the results of that development.
I've tried every Linux distro I can get my hands on, in the hope of finding one I like(I didn't). In my opinion, the things that make FreeBSD superior to Linux are:
1. Good package management. There is no better system for managing dependencies, installing, upgrading, and removing software than the ports tree. RPM's are laughable in comparison.
2. Stability. This is simply a matter of experience. I've had Linux crash after installs, lock up, etc, and FreeBSD hasn't. As with speed, it changes in comparison to Linux with each release.
3. Total non-commerciality. Almost every linux distro is bent on making money. Some, like Caldera and SuSE, don't even let you download the current versions. The process for installing over ftp is horrible in most distros, and Debian, the one that is supposed to be non-commercial, has no real option for installing over ftp, unless you want to make 14 floppies first. FreeBSD is FREE. They make it easy to install over ftp, instead of making it painful enough that you'll want to buy a CD.
4. Cvsup. Makes it easy to keep up to date with the current codebase, and allows one to totally recompile the OS as wanted.
5. The BSD license. A matter of personal taste, of course, but I believe free software should be free.
If you have a rebuttal to those, I'd be interested.
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Haven't heard about that supposed outburst, but I can tell you that open is chugging away just fine. IMO, they've made an OS superior to NetBSD.
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The reason I think FreeBSD gets more pr is that it is quite a bit easier to use. I don't think many people care about running on different architectures all that much, honestly. Which is not to say that netbsd hasn't done some awesome stuff...
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That will NEVER happen, if for no other reason, because people from both camps will never agree on licensing terms.
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