The BSDs regularly steal code from each other and incorporate it. For a while, OpenBSD even used the FreeBSD ports tree. Thing is, I always hear linux users saying how the BSDs are balkanized, etc...
What about CodeWarrior for RedHat? Oracle for RedHat?
I work for an ISP, we run all our machines on FreeBSD boxes, and I've talked with many other business associates in the business that run it. Most of us use it on our home machines as well, much preferred to linux.
You know, I'm not just being reactionary here, and I kind of liked the iMac when it first came out, but I found that the reason all the pictures of it were taken from the side - they're hideous from the front. Those grey stripes, bleah. I have to say that personally, I would like more creative case designs, but the iBook looks even worse than the iMac - early 70s-style design, icky colors, and not that much to redeem it.
I dunno, it just seems to me that these new macs violate all known laws of tasteful design.
Well, assuming that you aren't trying to use them both at once, the other things you should try are turning off 'pnp enabled os' in you bios, and uh, well, other than that they should work. I've gotten both a tulip and a pci ne2000 to work in be with no problem (setup in under 2 mins:)
Ok, I was doing allright with amiga until the "linux is the most stable operating system on the market" comment. Ha! Does this pres not know anything? Even linux advocates I think will admit that it is not "the most stable" os. I was looking forward to seeing qnx's work, they have a very nice little os with very little exposure. But and amiga based on a linux kernel? boooring...
I don't think that this is probably very relevant - a good number of excellent thinkers had very small brains - Leonardo, for example, had one of the smaller brains ever discovered in a fully functional human being. Also, those who have very large brains tend to be mentally retarded. Besides, if you're only using 10% of your brain anyhow, how is some more of it going to be helpful?
Oi, check the reply up higher - why did everyone react to the BSD part? That's not the part that matters. I don't claim the incident is a point in favor of OpenBSD, that was just an offhand comment - like I said earlier, the main thrust is that I would think this looks rather bad to the suits - it's not very professional. I would think that if I were a rather ignorant businessman instead of a rather ignorant student, that something like this would make me look at Linux in a negative light, although, admittedly, this has happened with commercial products in the past.
I'm not trying to belittle linux, I'm just saying that generally, it's not the OS for the most security-conscious people. Not only do the open folks review the kernel, they've done quite extensive security audits of the entire system, not that this is particularly relevant to the discussion. It was just a little joking plug. The main thrust of the comment is the part below just the first sentence.
I did misunderstand that the worm is for MacOS, not linux(which makes a little more sense:), but mainly what I'm trying to say is that incidents like this look extremely bad, more a lament than a flame. To outsiders(e.g. L.A.M.E.), the looseness of the development process looks more like a security flaw than an advantage.
You'd be running OpenBSD, an OS with total code review. Anyhow, contrary to some of the other comments here, I think that this detracts from the credibility of the open-source movement - and from that of collaborative, loose-knit development processes. This really needs to be kept from happening again if the suits are to take us seriously.
This is how I characterise the average 'user', that is to say, consumer. Much of the Linux community is trying to spread use of the OS to your average joe computer user, which is why I talked about it from this perspective.
Just the idea that the average linux user 'ought to be' interested in community is probably alienating to most. People just want a good OS, and Linux fulfills that need. I don't think that most folks want anything more to do with it than that.
No they weren't. All that's on the Nvidia page is a link to Be's website, saying that drivers for their products were available there. Why would Nvidia release drivers for X for Be? Read a little more closely before you call the story incomplete.
Do you think the suits want to 'become part of the linux community'? Do you think the casual user actually wants to be involved in tracking down and reporting bugs? Most people want stable, usable software, without having to become part of the development process. No average user is interested in 'running a community'. They WANT to be able to sit back and say 'blah is fine for me'. They don't want to contribute to making an operating system, and that's why they continue to pay for software instead of going open-source.
it's not a practical need, it's an ideological need. I disagree with the business practices of AOL, and there is almost always a package available that can do the job as well or better. And I have switched, already. I don't like WinAmp that much to begin with.
Actually, upon further investigation, it is a problem with OSS, most likely. FreeBSD won't let a user process crash the box. Wish that FreeBSD would get its kernel sound drivers a little more up to date, I've had nothing but trouble since running OSS.
Anyhow, since switching to the current version of x11amp, I've had much better luck.
i have. Couple it with OSS, and you've got a product that'll take down your system faster than ever imagined possible. I'm sorry, but when an mp3 player can take down FreeBSD, it's total crap.
What makes other players better is, of course, relative to your point of view and needs.
K-Jofol - Supposedly the fastest mp3 player for windows. Great skins, great looking, lots of options. Free.
Sonique - Also great looking, with fun analyzers, and very well visually designed, as well as having pitch control and such things.
SoundPlay(for BeOS) - Aint the prettiest thing around, but it uses WinAmp skins, and has the best pitch control of any player - it can play anywhere from 400% to -400%. With the CDDA FS add-on, you can directly alter the pitch of music from a CD. Has options for crossfading. Comes with effects processors. New beta even features the beginning of a vocal removal option. Costs 12 bucks, but very much worth it for me.
CL-AMP(for BeOS) - Almost a winamp clone, but with crossfading and pitch control (but won't play backwards:) Easy interface. Your basic well-done mp3 player for BeOS.
Sound quality isn't that much of an issue, and reliability only varies slightly, but performance can be a little more important.
It's not that WinAmp was bad, but we have to switch now, and there are more feature-packed players out there.
Well, looks like I'll be booting back into windows to take the bitch out. There are, btw, far better Mp3 players for windows - K-Jofol and Sonique come to mind. You can find links and resources on them at Skinz. Most of my Mp3s I play in BeOS, though, because of the added filesystem attributes for Mp3, and Soundplay, the greatest mp3 player ever.
Would it be that hard for them to just put it in a tarball for us? Jeesh. Anyone know what I can use on BSD to get the stuff out of the rpm or anything?
Ah well. If Real wants to keep from being steamrolled by MS, they need to get cracking on their cross-platform support. It's taken too long for this to come out. They need to have G2 for Linux, BSD, Solaris, and BeOS - if they stay in their windows world, MS MediaPlayer is going to stomp them.
That's actually useful info, as I ran around looking for the release tag, which apparently is RELENG_3_2_0_RELEASE or something horrific, before testing it out and finding that RELENG_3 was sufficient.:)
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The BSDs regularly steal code from each other and incorporate it. For a while, OpenBSD even used the FreeBSD ports tree. Thing is, I always hear linux users saying how the BSDs are balkanized, etc...
What about CodeWarrior for RedHat?
Oracle for RedHat?
I work for an ISP, we run all our machines on FreeBSD boxes, and I've talked with many other business associates in the business that run it. Most of us use it on our home machines as well, much preferred to linux.
-lx
Ahem. "QNX - the Leading RealTime OS for PCs".
Take that up with them, not me.
As far as what OS is the most stable, it's difficult to say, but I would definitely look to the BSDs, Solaris, and DGUX before I looked to Linux.
-lx
You know, I'm not just being reactionary here, and I kind of liked the iMac when it first came out, but I found that the reason all the pictures of it were taken from the side - they're hideous from the front. Those grey stripes, bleah. I have to say that personally, I would like more creative case designs, but the iBook looks even worse than the iMac - early 70s-style design, icky colors, and not that much to redeem it.
I dunno, it just seems to me that these new macs violate all known laws of tasteful design.
-lx
Maybe it's because we really want a girl with both some silicone and some silicon...wouldn't mind having a silicon implant myself.
-lx
Well, assuming that you aren't trying to use them both at once, the other things you should try are turning off 'pnp enabled os' in you bios, and uh, well, other than that they should work. I've gotten both a tulip and a pci ne2000 to work in be with no problem (setup in under 2 mins :)
-lx
It was a useful comment! morons.
-lx
Ok, I was doing allright with amiga until the "linux is the most stable operating system on the market" comment. Ha! Does this pres not know anything? Even linux advocates I think will admit that it is not "the most stable" os. I was looking forward to seeing qnx's work, they have a very nice little os with very little exposure. But and amiga based on a linux kernel? boooring...
-lx
I don't think that this is probably very relevant - a good number of excellent thinkers had very small brains - Leonardo, for example, had one of the smaller brains ever discovered in a fully functional human being. Also, those who have very large brains tend to be mentally retarded. Besides, if you're only using 10% of your brain anyhow, how is some more of it going to be helpful?
-lx
Erm, actually, there is such a thing as a benevolent dictator. Why should those two things be mutually exclusive?
-lx
Oi, check the reply up higher - why did everyone react to the BSD part? That's not the part that matters. I don't claim the incident is a point in favor of OpenBSD, that was just an offhand comment - like I said earlier, the main thrust is that I would think this looks rather bad to the suits - it's not very professional. I would think that if I were a rather ignorant businessman instead of a rather ignorant student, that something like this would make me look at Linux in a negative light, although, admittedly, this has happened with commercial products in the past.
-lx
I'm not trying to belittle linux, I'm just saying that generally, it's not the OS for the most security-conscious people. Not only do the open folks review the kernel, they've done quite extensive security audits of the entire system, not that this is particularly relevant to the discussion. It was just a little joking plug. The main thrust of the comment is the part below just the first sentence.
:), but mainly what I'm trying to say is that incidents like this look extremely bad, more a lament than a flame. To outsiders(e.g. L.A.M.E.), the looseness of the development process looks more like a security flaw than an advantage.
I did misunderstand that the worm is for MacOS, not linux(which makes a little more sense
It's unfortunate, that's all.
-lx
You'd be running OpenBSD, an OS with total code review. Anyhow, contrary to some of the other comments here, I think that this detracts from the credibility of the open-source movement - and from that of collaborative, loose-knit development processes. This really needs to be kept from happening again if the suits are to take us seriously.
-lx
We appointed a new saint as well, and quite a while ago - St. Beuno, patron saint of computer technicians and the like.
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This is how I characterise the average 'user', that is to say, consumer. Much of the Linux community is trying to spread use of the OS to your average joe computer user, which is why I talked about it from this perspective.
Just the idea that the average linux user 'ought to be' interested in community is probably alienating to most. People just want a good OS, and Linux fulfills that need. I don't think that most folks want anything more to do with it than that.
-lx
No they weren't. All that's on the Nvidia page is a link to Be's website, saying that drivers for their products were available there. Why would Nvidia release drivers for X for Be? Read a little more closely before you call the story incomplete.
-lx
Do you think the suits want to 'become part of the linux community'? Do you think the casual user actually wants to be involved in tracking down and reporting bugs? Most people want stable, usable software, without having to become part of the development process. No average user is interested in 'running a community'. They WANT to be able to sit back and say 'blah is fine for me'. They don't want to contribute to making an operating system, and that's why they continue to pay for software instead of going open-source.
-lx
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it's not a practical need, it's an ideological need. I disagree with the business practices of AOL, and there is almost always a package available that can do the job as well or better.
And I have switched, already. I don't like WinAmp that much to begin with.
-lx
Actually, upon further investigation, it is a problem with OSS, most likely. FreeBSD won't let a user process crash the box. Wish that FreeBSD would get its kernel sound drivers a little more up to date, I've had nothing but trouble since running OSS.
Anyhow, since switching to the current version of x11amp, I've had much better luck.
-lx
i have. Couple it with OSS, and you've got a product that'll take down your system faster than ever imagined possible. I'm sorry, but when an mp3 player can take down FreeBSD, it's total crap.
-lx
What makes other players better is, of course, relative to your point of view and needs.
:) Easy interface. Your basic well-done mp3 player for BeOS.
K-Jofol - Supposedly the fastest mp3 player for windows. Great skins, great looking, lots of options. Free.
Sonique - Also great looking, with fun analyzers, and very well visually designed, as well as having pitch control and such things.
SoundPlay(for BeOS) - Aint the prettiest thing around, but it uses WinAmp skins, and has the best pitch control of any player - it can play anywhere from 400% to -400%. With the CDDA FS add-on, you can directly alter the pitch of music from a CD. Has options for crossfading. Comes with effects processors. New beta even features the beginning of a vocal removal option. Costs 12 bucks, but very much worth it for me.
CL-AMP(for BeOS) - Almost a winamp clone, but with crossfading and pitch control (but won't play backwards
Sound quality isn't that much of an issue, and reliability only varies slightly, but performance can be a little more important.
It's not that WinAmp was bad, but we have to switch now, and there are more feature-packed players out there.
-lx
Well, looks like I'll be booting back into windows to take the bitch out. There are, btw, far better Mp3 players for windows - K-Jofol and Sonique come to mind. You can find links and resources on them at Skinz. Most of my Mp3s I play in BeOS, though, because of the added filesystem attributes for Mp3, and Soundplay, the greatest mp3 player ever.
So long, Winamp, and thanks for all the skins...
-lx
Neuromancer will rule. Due out in movie form in 2000, director Chris Cunningham.
-lx
Would it be that hard for them to just put it in a tarball for us? Jeesh. Anyone know what I can use on BSD to get the stuff out of the rpm or anything?
Ah well. If Real wants to keep from being steamrolled by MS, they need to get cracking on their cross-platform support. It's taken too long for this to come out. They need to have G2 for Linux, BSD, Solaris, and BeOS - if they stay in their windows world, MS MediaPlayer is going to stomp them.
-lx
That's actually useful info, as I ran around looking for the release tag, which apparently is RELENG_3_2_0_RELEASE or something horrific, before testing it out and finding that RELENG_3 was sufficient. :)
-lx