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October 21 is 'Jam Echelon' Day
samsonite writes "For those familiar with Echelon,
21 October 1999, has been set as the day for everyone to put harmless, yet "subversive" words in emails and postings to overload the Echelon machine. Echelon was once considered a mythical machine that watched all email, internet traffice, phone calls, etc. for "key" words - maintained by the US, among others. " For more information on Echelon, click here. Now, it's time to run my script with verboten words - check out the article for a list.
Yeah, that's what it *started* as down here (yay Paul Revere and company), but nowadays our friendly government (via the always-correct-on-terminology media) thinks that someone will get the same sorts of revolutionary ideas in his/her head that were originally directed at Britain by folks named Washington, Jefferson, Weishaupt, Adams, and company.
-Chris
(fnord)
Not necessarily... If they turned it off, then they may miss all the communication they may actually be interested in.
jarv, this is not the way encryption works. no one can crack a large enough key. i seriously doubt they can crack even a 1024 bit key, let alone a 2048 long key. the keys get *exponentially* harder to crack.
it would take my home computer a billion years to crack the 1024 bit key (brute-force, that is). if their computers are a billion times faster, it still takes them a year.
plus, if i add a bit to my key length, it would take them twice as long. so it is a matter of effort: the race stays even when the cracker doubles his computer power, and i add a few puny bits to my key length. just to stay on the safe side here, i choose to add 1000 bits to my key length. no one can crack it.
and just for the record: the Echelon is not some fantasy of weirdo paranoids. the European Parliament has officially acknowleged its existence - ALL communications between the US and europe pass through echelons servers - e.g. not just email and packets, but also phone conversations. i seriously doubt that anyone can actually do anything with this amount of data - but i don't doubt they have the machines to process it all.
Subject: our "BIG PLANS" and the MANIFESTO
Date: 21 Oct 1999
From: Your.Name@domain
To: Some.Lucky.Friend@domain
NORIEGA,
I am glad to hear that our TERRORIST friends in HONDURAS and ALBANIA have received the latest shipment of GENETIC WEAPONS, MUNITIONS and BOMBS we SMUGGLE past those COUNTER-INTELIGENCE NAZIS at the FBI in containers of QUICHE!
I will never forgive the them and the CIA for the ASSASSINATION of CHEWBACA!
Ever since we discovered their PLOT with the NSA to use that PLUTONIUM and COCAINE on KENNEDY, I haven't been able to stop thinking about DOMESTIC DISRUPTION, REVOLUTION, JUNTA, and/or JIHAD!
The FSF really has been helpful in our SUBVERSIVE activities by supplying AK-47s, CRYPTOGRAPHY, and that DELTA FORCE training for our MILITIA!
Once we expose NORAD's lies about the SERBIAN-SOUTH AFRICA-WORLD TRADE CENTER-SDI incident, we will alert our PLO and SOVIET COMRADES that the CLASS STRUGGLE has been reborn and the time for playing PAC-MAN is near!
By THE way, I think something IS wrong with MY ``Caps-Lock'' KEY!
--MOSSAD
P.S. Hello to all my friends in domestic surveilance!
That's right
Lee Harvey Oswald shot JFK
The people at WACO where all religious nuts
No Project Phoenix in Vietnam
No testing of Radioactive material on Cancer patients in the 40's
All minorities in jail's are criminal's
The justice system recognises equality of economic circumstance
There is no MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX
There are no special lobby groups swaying our politician's
No large Multi National's have a say in Government Policy
Nothing happened in Cambodia under Pul Pot
The USA never deposed the Shah of Iran
Never exported chemical weapon's either
All defendant's during the Macarthy period where guilty
Had no IDEA OF THE EFFECT OF THE BOMB DROPPED ON JAPAN!!!!
"The way she used to say Rimmer as if it rhymed with scum" Red Dwarf
The main purpose for NSA these days is to provide US companies with intelligence in business deals.
One example being Boeing mysteriously receiving information about what the competitor (Airbus) was going to bid.
So NSA is almost certainly all commercial these days. Apart from when the US declares war with some tiny, defenseless country of course. Then they might divert a fraction of their intelligence resources to the conflict at hand.
G-O.
http://www.nsa.gov:808 0/programs/tech/factshts/langtrng.html
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Sounds like something I'd like to see.
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Just like the ones Fidel Castro, the revolutionary communist leader of Cuba used to smoke. It is rumored that Khadafi and Saddam Hussayn like to smoke them as well, although smoking is frowned upon in the muslim world. Not because Allah directly forbids it, but the prophet Mohammed didn't smoke, so it can't be good for you.
Problem with using crypto is that to use it you need to have all of your friends and business contacts to use it too... which means that we need a standard, free and secure mail crypto format that is standard in Outlook Express, Netscape and Eudora (yes, 99% of the world doesn't use pine...). So far S/MIME is badly supported by all these packages and you need paid certificates to encrypt messages. PGP and other Unix packages are fine but my grand-mother is not very good in installing packages on Linux...
Of course, all _real_ terrorists would stick those keywords in their .sig too, since then the NSA wouldnt read their mail, right?
I wonder if its all just some sort of fraud. Such a system would be incredibly easy to fsck around with, but if its an NSA directors nephew owning the company supplying the hardware, maybe the actual usefulness doesnt matter.
Well, you have to admit that if /. didn't have some sort of filtering device then it would be in danger of some potentially major DoS attacks. Though I would expect that instead of refusing your POST, maybe a "lameness filter" should just automatically moderate it down to -1 (though warning you beforehand).
Wackenhut has been contracted (if not now, then in the past) to do the security at most, if not all, nuclear reactors, Hanford, etc. (there was a SPY magazine article a few years ago on Wackenhut Corp.)...
Wackenhut has an "interesting" history, according to that article...
As much as Tom Clancy's literary style (OK, what literary style?) has gotten worse as he continues to write, he sort of hints well at some of the special relationships companies can have with the darker elements of the govment pretty well...(I just finished reading "Rainbow Six". It was OK.)
BFD if Wackenhut Corp. allows its guards to "rape and beat the prisoners", when the "real" guards have done this all along. Separate the "rape and beat the prisoners" (which is just be plain wrong) from private company vs. govment. But, also, prison isn't supposed to be fun, either.
...but maybe you'd feel different if you found out more about COINTELPRO.
I can also echo the comments of the poster who observed that large-scale surveillance of "subversives" (eg CND organisers) was certainly in place in the eighties, and by many indicators has not slacked off.
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Xenu loves you!
NSA monitors EMF transmissions. The ESM satellites that pick up US stuff up from geostationary orbit are outside the "airspace" of the US, so they download to someone else. Or, if they are over the US, they're ostensibly listening for traffic in Mexico or Central/South America with the same satellites. Still, the US traffic gets shunted to someone else (who then gives it back to us).
Besides, any fool can make a scanner for listening to cell phones. Any fool can make a packet sniffer for their cable modem segment (heck, just get the software for Linux...). What the NSA can do is use some derivative of the SETI hardware to easily packet sniff an OC3 or DS1 in real time, etc., plus the integration, despite silly laws to the contrary.
Why should Congress pass silly laws to "protect" cell phone users, when they would never think to protect other cordless phones (you don't use one, right), instead of saying, "Well, Newt, you were a silly, narcissistic fool for thinking that your cell phone conversations wouldn't be listened to by your political enemies. You should have gotten a PCS or GSM phone"?
And, while the FBI or other police agencies might not be able to directly monitor without a warrant, it does nothing from stopping you or me from wearing a wire all the time and recording interesting stuff on our own, and then later giving that info to someone else (Linda Tripp ring a bell? But there have been others wearing white hats, such as the two guys profiled recently on one of the network shows who got involved with the Mob and started taping stuff ON THEIR OWN and later gave it to the Feds, but were ratted on/found out, and died while in the Witness Protection Program...)
Sure, there are stalking laws, but if you're being harassed by a neighbor, and the cops don't believe you, so you set up a web cam or two to do your own surveillance system, and take the tapes of the guy poking around your yard at odd hours, peering in your windows, etc., to them to make them believe you...
Congress is "concerned about the privacy rights of American citizens and whether or not there are constitutional safeguards being circumvented by the manner in which the intelligence agencies are intercepting and/or receiving international communications."
NOTE : INTERNATIONAL COMMUNICATIONS
INTERNATIONAL COMMUNICATIONS
If you are sending email to someone in a foreign country (or for some odd reason it is routed through it) then and *only* then you are you running the risk of being monitored.
However, this is not allowed. The NSA is not allowed to monitor the actions of US citizens, it doesn't matter who they are communicating with. That is why congress is in a huff, and rightfully so.-k
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The article was ok until I found the word list from "The Anti-Defamation League". Vince Foster? Ollie North? Gun? These people are loonies. Somehow I doubt the NSA has time to pore over messages that contain the word 'gun' or 'drug', much less crackpot militia theories about Vince Foster. And I'm sure the NSA is real worried about the remaning Davidians.
's why I did a shorter list, FBI, C4 Mossad, Kill,
President, NSA, a few others... Things that are sure to be relevant.>:)
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"There is no surer way to ruin a good discussion than to contaminate it with the facts."
I don't think such a thing would have been possible in the sixties.
No, you are wrong. Remember, the British invented radar and a whole lot of other implausible things long before the technological tools we have grown used to an now depend upon became available. If you absolutely had to solve this problem, and you had to do it all with analog circuitry, or offline computation, going back & forth & back & forth over regular analog tape, whatever, you would, even back in the 60's. E.g., spectrum analysis has been around for some time, methinks you're carrying around a pretty good spectrum analyzer in each inner ear.
I'm not saying that this was actually done, just that it's not implausible.
Life's a bitch but somebody's gotta do it.
HHAHahahahahahahaaa. win. ~ac
Let me first say this is a very funny joke to play on the NSA if they indeed are still running the Echelon program. I can imagine them drawing straws to find out who'll be the poor schmoe hitting the reboot button all day long on Jam Echelon day...
You're so close to what's really going on here. Echelon is a "program" but we are a part of it. It's merely a distraction for the real freaky stuff that's going on.
Look at who the CIA has been recruiting in the past 5-10 years and you'll get a better picture of the deep level stuff.
-AC
If we are really so insignificant, then why are the FBI and the CIA helping aliens obduct people for horrible cross-breeding clone experiments? Why do I keep finding hidden cameras and microphones everywhere, and how do the tv ratings guys know what I'm watching? Get off your pink fluffy cloud in happy happy joy joy land, where democracy exists, and aliens don't.
Seems to me that you've already decided that your individuality is irrevelant and your privacy doesn't matter. Too bad, I guess They got to you already.
Actually, I have to say that I had the opposite experience. When I was in high school, I met up with a uber-geek on IRC. (This was in early ninties). What eventually happened was that I spent 4 hours going over some ideas and stuff about gravity cancellation. Apparantly this guy and 4 other dudes had come up with an expiramental(sp) system to (essentially) eliminate gravity. I started doing some probing around the library at the local university into some grand unified theory stuff. Did more research (admittedly, no proofs) on this stuff. I kept to myself quite a bit on this.. after all, I was in highschool. This stuff seemed pretty amazing. But this guys story was what freaked me out. Apparantly they had a rich guy, a scientist (ex government) and another guy. He had actual data readings and design documents. Well, to make a long story short, they applied for a patent. The government offered to purchase the patent for 1M. The group said no. Well, the scientist disappeared. The rich guy got amnesia. An engineer guy got shot in the head. This guy freaked out for about 10 years, before I met him. Well, you might all be thinking so what. Well, when I started doing more research on this stuff, I was being watched. My apartment was broken into.. but nothing was stolen. My mother was harrased. A couple of friends of mine starting asking *totally* fscked questions. (Keep in mind that I never told anyone about this, and I kept all written documents to myself). So, I know I was messed with by someone. I don't know who, and nor do I care to find out. But it does happen. I guess they're just happy I didn't go and build it.
"Shut up about this Echelon thing or else we'll launch congressional investigations and media crusades to make you look like a big national security threat, like we did with the militias after the Waco operation."
"We" being "THEM" -- the sinister conspiracy that seeks to complete their domination of the world from beyond the shadows.
You just gotta read (and possibly write) between the lines.
-- $SIGNATURE
The more I hear about echelon the more of a joke it sounds, but it is an attention grabber. A little bit ago the British government admited to having their own 'echelon' in the 60's which scanned voice phone transmission to Ireland looking for certain words. That was the 60's. Am I going to say how much more powerful technology is today. Nope. I just wanted to point out the lack of civil liberties in this situation and the case in point is not science fiction.
The main worry is that the government wants to monitor communications traffic. Remember FIDNET or that new proposal to block encryption? Only the very paranoid, pretentious, or criminal types think they're actually being watched. The rest of us should be worried enough to not let the government compromise our rights.
Hopefully the stir from from this will show people that their privacy is in jeopardy and the fight to keep these rights is going on in congress right now. Most people's actions may be irrelevant, but their rights certainly aren't so.
If we're ending with quotes here, how's this one grab you? "The price of freedom is eternal vigilence."
similar experience, but i didnt talk to anyone about anything. drew out a few ideas. gravity was a topic, though. same type of experiences.-except college. early 90s.
One way to do this would be to us one of those email macro virii containing a word list of "naughty" words. Things like "anthrax" and "isotope seperation" would work wonders. The next trick would be to make it polymorphic to make it harder to filter out.
Right?...
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We hope your rules and wisdom choke you....
There is no K5 cabal.
I am not the real rusty.
Did your system involve electro-magnetic coils.. basically using an overlapping waveform induction? I always wondered why they were never interrested in the guys spinning silicon disks over liquid helium or whatever! I never told anyone.. but I guess they tracked this guy down and that led to me through the phone system.
(read with ascii green beeping character mode on)
sitrep: echelon report: key word hit rate %20 -->
"some plutonium and am ready to start Operation
blow up the white house"
-- origin: sweetooth@sweetooth.org
(/stupid hollywood terminal mode off)
Meanwhile, down in the depths of NSA...
"Hey, some guy named 'sweetooth' is planning to
blow up the white house with plutonium"....
This was about the Russian guy who was spinning disks at right rates of acceleration. Supposidly forming a "hole" in gravity.
No, the techniques used in the patent are not like this.
Hmm. good thing you're an anonymous coward.
Otherwise, I reckon someone might spend a
certain amount of time due to your breach
of national security.You didn't REALLY want
to keep your clearance, did you? Or are you
already out of the country?
Of course, it's not much of a "protest" when they
come in the middle of the night to take
you away and noone knows where you are.
Y'all have fun screwin around until we get around
to your turn.
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CAIMLAS
~/ssh slashdot.org ssh: connect to host slashdot.org port 22: too many beers
Using cypher 18472-62 please send me the co-ordinates to pick up my chinese made nuclear device. The funds are prepared and ready in a Swiss bank account for transfer upon successful verification of the device's functionality.
Also, hold my order of anthrax. I'm having problems locating a suitable missle delivery package. If you can provide both, i'll double the original bid.
I have a pretty basic question. My version of netscape encrypts with 128-bit RC4 enccryption. According to Fortify's website (https://www.fortify.net/sslcheck.html), such encryption is "a high-grade encryption connection, regarded by most experts as being suitable for sending or receiving even the most sensitive or valuable information across a network." While this encryption is for web transactions, and not for e-mail, I'm wondering if a 128-bit key can really be this secure.
So are these defined somewhere? Some seem downright silly, and I'd love to see how:
'beef', 'scully', 'quiche' (at least twice), 'van', 'Fox', 'bank', 'niche', '$', 'imapct'!, 'jope', 'hate', 'veggie', 'gorilla', 'pirg'?. 'rack', 'ABC', 'Bubba the Love Sponge', 'zip' (cartridges?), 'Zen', 'cocaine' (at least twice), , 'zone', 'Nerd', 'fangs', 'sneakers', 'unix', 'the', 'Elvis', 'Sex', 'explicit', 'sweep', 'Daisy', 'Jasmine', 'Stephanie', Julie', 'quarter', 'Paperclip', 'evil', 'tax', 'rita', 'real', 'dort', 'fake', 'Dictionary', 'bird dog', 'site', 'Bugs Bunny', 'Secure', 'Sundevil', 'rip', '^?', 'JAVA', '877', 'ram', 'Furbys', AOL', 'bet', 'The Artful Dodger', 'ASU', 'Privacy'
have to do with terrorism, etc... Is JAVA - Sun's programming language? What's that got to do with Terrorism?
But isn't all this a Denial of Service attack on the /[NFC][ISB][AAI]/ ? It's possibly not quite as bad as opening zillions of IP ports but if you get visited by a SWAT team, in the wee small hours, you were warned!
Swabbo 4th Class C. Custard
Just because they're out to get you doesn't mean that you're not paranoid.
This business of sticking key words in email seems awfully ineffective. First of all sticking them in your sig makes them really easy to filter for. Second of all it only prevents email scanning on a massive scale. If say your empolyer wanted to scan through your email they could without too much effort. And would probably be looking for different words than you're sticking in your sig.
Why not just use crypto, and be certain that no one is reading your email. Widespread use of crypto would make scanning email completely impossible, since the computer power required to crack it all would be unattainable.
God does not play dice - Einstein
Not only does God play dice, he sometimes throws them where they
The east germans monitored all telephone communications way back in the day. With analog gear at that. So echelon would be no problem for a deep pocket (read mine and yours) organization like the NSA and no accountability to the people for the use of said funds.
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"You can't shake the Devil's hand and say you're only kidding."
"The Man does not care about you! You are not interesting to the Man! The Man consider the lint on his Armani suit to be more important than your entire existence, the existence of your parents, and those of your future children, spouses, and pets! You are a nobody! Wake up and get a life!"
Ok, we do consider ourselves more important than we actually are but you make the same mistake by placing superhuman powers in the hands of the Man. The thing is that the Man cannot enter your head and even if he could that woudn't help him much in case you're a looney. So the Man _has to_ screen everyone because he simply isn't able to distinguish the resolved ones from the talkers.
Today I'm a college nut who talks about drawning the capitalist pigs in a bloodbath. Everyone is laughing at me. Tomorrow I find another nut who gives me money to buy me bombs. I blow up a shopping centre. Who could have anticipated that?
Everyone knows how huge the Internet is. So an uneducated guess would be that it would be difficult and expensive to watch it all. But it would require less manpower than to open everyone's letters in a single city.
So what we have here is both the necessity to screen the data flow in order to catch at least a small percentage of the active terrorists, for example, and the technology to do it quite efficient and in real time. What government, which can afford it, would miss the opportunity?
Now comes the scary part. After all the job is done by humans and you happen to be in their perimeter of interest just because you constantly tell jokes about revolutions. Ah, but how would the Man be able to tell how serious you are unless you are scrutinized more closely? So there.
The NSA is not allowed to monitor the actions of US citizens So? Its pretty obvious none of these american agencies give a damn what they're ALLOWED to do, they do it anyway. I thought that was the whole point. Saying "this cant exist because it breaks the rules" is naive bullsh*t.
And the CIA and Army can't operate inside the US either. The CIA just does it, and the Army just trains all the pigs. And the NSA does whatever it damn well pleases.
Oh wait... an act of congress says they can't, oh i guess they don't then... puhlease...
Go anarchy ! =P
Just because you disagree doesn't make it offtopic or flamebait.
I've mirrored Ben's echelon-armor CGI script at http://www.httptech.com/echelon/
In order to help these key words to go across the internet, feel free to send all emails to my server: spam@woodson.com /.
Come on! Let me feel the wrath of
So which (potential) presidential choice is going to "overthrow" the system? Bradley/Gore or Bush? This is NOT a democracy, and a really limited republic system. It's multiple choice with two choices. Stop kidding yourself.
As far as the MANY MANY other important figures in government, most of them are not elected from the votes of the common people. And let's not forget that things are set up so the president doesn't have too much power...meaning this isn't a dictatorshop...electing a new president, no matter where he/she stands political doesn't gaurantee shit.
What prevents terrorist from doing the same. Oh, I guess they are morons that spend all the day sending mails with their plans and illegal content. I mean they are clever enough to get Internet, to have an anonymized address, but not to run PGP. Sure. Makes sense.
The keyword list is about the right length that you could use it as a sort of base-64 encoding for encrypted mail. (There are more than 64 key words, but several of them group in phrases. You could define a set of 64 symbols pretty easily from this list.) Instead of using PGP-style "ASCII armor", you could use "Echelon armor" on your encrypted emails.
Now how's that for fun? Anyone care to write a quick-and-dirty perl filter to convert base-64 into echelon-64 and back? :-)
--Joe--
Program Intellivision!
The article was ok until I found the word list from "The Anti-Defamation League". Vince Foster? Ollie North? Gun? These people are loonies. Somehow I doubt the NSA has time to pore over messages that contain the word 'gun' or 'drug', much less crackpot militia theories about Vince Foster. And I'm sure the NSA is real worried about the remaning Davidians.
-lx
The plans to bomb the FBI plaza at 1 this afternoon are still in effect. Using a mix similar to that used in Oklahoma City, we will drive up in a red Mitsubishi Mirage. Our special Ops group of members of the Delta Force, Special Forces, and the 12th Group of the Arkanside Terrorists from the Iran Contras will coordinate strikes on other agency headquarters.
Remember, the NSA and CIA have screwed us out of our Rights, as stated in the Bill Of rights, the early part of the Constitution, especially Bill 1. It is time for a revolution. Remember what the ATF did at Waco.
Screw Bill Clinton and Hillary!!!!
i was thinking the exact same thing! although, i don't think /. should really want to associate with psychopaths.
This will be the biggest waste of anyone's time since watching the OJ trial. Echelon does not filter words. It filters patterns. Search the patents and you will find the keys to the kingdom are not in words that you use, but in words and Patterns! Simply putting CLINTON, CIA, CASTRO, MILITIA is useless. It won't even be picked up. Using sentence structures with those words might however trigger something, if the pattern reaches a high-enough threshold to trigger other, more detailed analysis systems. Anon.
Lots of college kids have these ideas. Lots of college kids talk about these ideas. They are discussed so often and openly that they have almost become part of the establishment - a rite of passage for white yuppie larva passing through on their way to productive careers as Cogs in the Machine.
Exactly. And isn't that what rites of passage are for? Young people need to believe that they are important, that they are a threat to The Establishment, and that The Establishment is a threat to them. If young people didn't have these delusions of subversive grandeur, they'd become so overwhelmed by the pointlessness of it all that they'd just shut down and never become productive little Cogs. Cogs need to fantasize that one day they'll rise up and overthrow the Machine. It's what keeps them going day after day.
It happens on the right as well as the left. While one side crusades against capitalist exploitation, greed, and The Patriarchy, the other battles moral relativism, secular humanism and Political Correctness.
And BTW we are, every one of us, beautiful unique snowflakes. And although every snowflake is be beautiful and unique by itself, it looks like every other snowflake and it's a big nuisance to boot when there's countless billions of them on the sidewalk and you have to shovel them.
We've got a beautiful, unique snowflake's chance in hell of overthrowing the government... unless we work within the system. Play by the system's rules, and use those rules against it. In the U.S., the government is designed to be overthrown every few years. It's called an election, and it works.
actually, no. It involved a different arena that most people abandoned because of 'ol Albert E. I was trying to pinpoint the frequency of gravity waves, (yes, I believe it has a frequency) and using induction in some applications.
Just where are all these terrorists, anyway? I keep getting the feeling that "terrorists" are just the proverbial boogymen to give the military-industrial complex something to do after the cold war. If anything, stuff like this only serves to provoke potential terrorists and gives them a reason to make enemies out of us. Of course, the NSA could be catching them all over the place and we'd never know it. I'm sure they could care less whether we knew they were actually accomplishing something or not.
Somewhere around 6 Hz? (spookey eh.. maybe you talked to the same guy)
The 'Jam Echelon Day' word list is not
realistic. The NSA could care less about
the Davidians, or even the FBI for that
matter. Permit me to suggest a better
list:
Weapons: Nuclear, VX, Sarin, Stinger,
AK-47, Anthrax, Back-hoe
Bad Guys: Saddam Hussein, Slobodan Milosovic,
Mad-Dog [Qu|K|Kh][a|i][d|dd]a[f|ff|ph]i,
Kim Il Sung, Osama Bin Laden, Lucifer,
Bill Gates
Good Guys: Bill Clinton, POTUS, Slick, Burger boy,
Al Gore, Tony Blair, Linus Torvalds
Verbs: nuke, assasinate, attack, defenestrate,
hack, mung, frobnicate
Countries: Cuba, Libya, Syria, North Korea,
Afganistan, Redmond
Targets: White house, Congress, Cheyenne Mountain,
Pentagon, Washington, New York, L.A., that-big-
area-between-the-coasts, Fry's, Poke-Joe's
Organizations: NSA, NRO, MI5, Interpol, IRS, BBC,
B.B. King, Illuminati, FSF, Slashdot, We'd-tell-
you-but-then-we'd-have-to-kill-you
[Insert pithy quote here]
You can stuff arbitrary words into your message headers with most mailers. They generally won't be seen when the recipient looks at the message. If you are a pine users, add a line similar to the following to your .pinerc:
customized-hdrs=X-HiEchelon: tempest anthrax fissile ebola revolt CIA pentagon jihad
obviously you dont know how elections work. Its the electoral college that matters. Of course, there CAN be an Easter bunny if you would prefer.....
My dogma ran over your Karma....My Karma's a Greyhound: ugly, but strong. -You may think you know what, but I know who
I've read about that....I have a book about free energy. I bout it a year or so ago, but it is all a completely different area. I dont think that those experiments amount to much except maybe higher energy levels at a greater efficiency ratio. No, mine was a rather "cease and blend" direction I was given. By an individual. -Freaky stuff.
The plans to bomb the FBI plaza at 1 this afternoon are still in effect. Using a mix similar to that used in Oklahoma City, we will drive up in a red Mitsubishi Mirage. Our special Ops group of members of the Delta Force, Special Forces, and the 12th Group of the Arkanside Terrorists from the Iran Contras will coordinate strikes on other agency headquarters.
Remember, the NSA and CIA have screwed us out of our Rights, as stated in the Bill Of rights, the early part of the Constitution, especially Bill 1. It is time for a revolution. Remember what the ATF did at Waco.
Screw Bill Clinton and Hillary!!!!
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would be if echelon, after having scanned your email and decided that it was non-threatening, could then go through it and check for good grammar, factual accuracy and persuasiveness. If it's not up to snuff, it sends it back to you for revision.
Of course, the ultimate message would be something like, "Dear Mr. Smith, the echelon system has looked over your terrorist manifesto, and has decided that you are correct. Please submit a list of people you would like the system to keep tabs on. Fight the power."
Sincerely POSSE,
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neophase
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neophase
(im in the UK, so it doesnt affect me, sorry)
Of course you are. The latest rumours going round are that
the NSA uses Echelon for business espionage for US companies
as well - and they don't care whom they spy on,
be it friend or enemy. Of course, most European gouvernements
don't want to touch on this topic, as officially, the US are still
our allies and friends.
I believe the "friends" part when it comes to the US people,
but not when it comes to businesses...
My opinion is: Get rid of all that stuff.
My EUR0.02,
Thomas
A snowflake is a small fragile thing.
/.ers are a bunch of flakes or anything...
An automobile is far larger and more durable.
A semi truck even more so.
An enough fragile snowflake can render semis useless.
Not that
But one snowflake is harmless. Many many togther can be devastating. One small computer is harmless. But we have a number significantly larger than one. Maybe we aren't harmless.
obviously you dont know how elections work. Its the electoral college that matters.
The electoral college only applies to the election of the president. It doesn't apply to Congressional ballots. (And of course, Supreme Court justices, which are appointed.)
The president (executive branch of government) is only one of three branches of government -- the Congress arguably holds more power.
But do you know where the real power lies? It's in the ballots themselves. How many times do you recall a write-in candidate being elected? You have to be on the ballot to win -- and you're only going to get on the ballot if you pass through several layers of filtering. So in the end, most elections in this country end up as a choice between Candidate A and Candidate B, where A and B are so similar there's not much point to selecting either of them.
(Sorry, topic drift detected... aborting....)
Was his name Don?
Not a good idea to give mythical beasts real practice.
Attempted subversion here might just be assistance.
The spooky thing is that you are dang close with that number, and yet you are tossing this information out. Did you ever meet face to face with those guys?
When Nixon left office did he take all of government corruption with him? Obviously not. Its called the establishment for a reason, there are many players and many followers. From the consensus of the lowest-common-denominator to the consensus among political parties, its there and elections don't seem to erase it. Think of the establishment as the personification of the legislation of tradition, be it right or left. Usually it refers to the right,as government is by its nature conservative, but you can argue that there definatly is a leftist establishment.
Close enough.. I spent hours on the phone. The other guys were gone by the time I met "Don." I've met one other person that met this guy. Don is an electrical engineer who did work on the first Hard Drives for Atari systems. I have all of their names written down. I never wrote the patent number down. Do you know it? Last I heard, he was running a computer shop in Desoto TX. I havn't had any contact. I often wodered if maybe someone(ahem) was trying to get someone to go out and actually build it and solve all the physics behind it. I tend to think of it as a fairly dark period in my life now. Ofcourse, you may have gotten it from somebody else.. I don't know.
Customer Support-Nuking Dept.
Deja News Inc.
9430 Research Blvd.
Echelon 2, Suite 300
Austin, Tx. 78759
This address is about a mile from the Microelectronics and Computer Technology Corporation, aka "MCC". MCC's first director was National Security Agency director Bobby Inman.
Deja News' location within the Echelon building barely a mile from NSA-associated MCC is simply the result of a concentration of high technology businesses in the Austin area combined with some real estate developer's perverse sense of humor in choosing the name "Echelon" for that particular office building.
"Some of you look dubious." -- Larry Wall
Seastead this.
obviously you dont know how elections work. Its the electoral college that matters.
Actually I do know about the electoral college. I didn't say that elections are perfect - I just said they work. They do. I personally think they'd work a lot better without the electoral college, but that doesn't invalidate them. Compared to the other methods of overthrowing governments, democratic elections (even with the electoral college) are far better for all concerned.
they find an actual, encrypted e-mail describing plans to spike the punch at the 2000 presidential ball. They'll think they've hit the jackpot.
Of course this could simply be a code for something completly different. Sending misleading, but believable, information is a well tried and tested technique.
Actually I do know about the electoral college. I didn't say that elections are perfect - I just said they work. They do. I personally think they'd work a lot better without the electoral college, but that doesn't invalidate them. Compared to the other methods of overthrowing governments, democratic elections (even with the electoral college) are far better for all concerned.
I disagree with this statement. Originally I was against the electoral college system, but after taking many political science classes, I have decided it is a good thing here is why. If the elections were based on just popular vote then the key to winning the election would be to take the big states only, so I hit california, New York, and Texas, and I am already there. What the electoral system does is make people's votes worth more in a less populis state. Think about this, every state gets the number of electoral votes based on the number of representatives they have. So the state of North Dakota gets 3 votes (2 senators, 1 representative). What this means is that there are a lot less people in North Dakota then other states so each of those person's votes is worth more of where that electoral vote. So it kinda balances out the populus states vs. the less populus states.
Because that same company manages security (Or, at least they USED to...) at numerous installations that are of import National Security wise. Places like Sandia National Labs, Los Alamos, etc.
Wackenhut's a large, nationwide security organization, not unlike Pinkerton in size.
I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a Citizen of the State of Texas
If their aim is to catch REAL terrorist conversations, it would probably have words like RDX, plutonium, etc. Or obscure nuclear tech. words that would most likely to be used by their targets.
I wonder if they would trigger if someone were to mention "tube alloys"... Any terrorist organisation would be be using terms like "a full crate of oranges" or even "the stuff".
Update:
I've increased the message size limit on my mirror of the echelon-encoding script
to 4096 bytes so it should be a little more useful.
http://www.httptech.com/echelon/
I'm attaching my RECIPE for my NUCLEAR chile. I think this tastes like the BOMB but you may experience some stinky PLUTONIUM like FALLOUT as a result of eating this chile. Thanks for the INFORMATION you sent me last week on your new D&D inspired game. I've always liked RPG's especially ones set in the near future with lots of GUNS, ANARCHY, CIVIL WAR, TERRORISM & CONSENSUAL SEX WITH ANIMALS. I'll try your proposed scenario (the one about BLOWING UP THE former GOVERNMENT BUILDING currently inhabitated by NEO-NAZI racists BENT ON WORLD DOMINATION) and let you know how it works.
Best wishes,
Dave
visuale@earthlink.net
http://home.earthnlink.net/~visuale/
And if the terrorists are semi-bright they
have a field-day every 'Jam Echelon' day
Anyway if they are semi bright they will use codes which are either deliberatly misleading. (e.g claim they are going to kill Clinton when they are really after Gates) or which will be ignored by any algorithms intended to catch "subversive" messages.
The most simple way to filter out the bulk of the "Jam Echelon Day" traffic, would be for the NSA spooks to simply ignore any keyword hits that also included the word ECHELON... So if you want to have any impact at all, try to work the trigger words into sentances, and avoid using the "E-word" :)
Work WITHIN the system? Give us a break! Nobody believes that anymore, just look at the voter turnout numbers for *any* election. The system works, for the RICH, not for us little guys and gals.
Expect to see alot of changes soon though.
Go Anarchy!
www.infoshop.org
See other post. I'm going to put all under 1.
I never asked his name. I was a loner as it was, and never told anyone what I wanted to design. But when a guy walks up to you, sits down, and proceeds to tell you stuff you designed and what you think about things, you have a tendency not to whant to know who he is. -especially when you notice from then on, you have "shadows". I think if YOUR guy was legit, he wouldn't be alive. Me, I stopped in my tracks, and decided to blend. -But my color is wearing off, and they know it.
Just for shits and giggles... try singing all these words to the tune of "It's the end of the world (as we know it)" by REM. I couldn't stop laughing in my cubical.
I wonder if even enemies have paranoids?
Romanes eunt domus? People called Romanes, they go the 'ouse? It says Romans go home. No it doesn't. What's Latin fo
Isn't it the case that by trumpeting your plans to overload Echelon, you're forewarning the operators to 'turn it off' for a while?
Incidentally, as an Australian, I'm proud to say it was one of our own who let the cat officially out of the bag. We access Echelon as part of the defunct-ish UKUSA treaty. But anyone could have found that out from reading Peter Wright's Spycatcher biography.
Why is this one of the keywords? Do our national security interests now invovlve a private corporation that has been contracted by the state of Texas to manage prisons that allows their security guards to rape and beat the prisoners? I mean, yeah, its a disgusting situation, but mostly unrelated to the other keywords... And while we're all in this invasion of privacy mood, i must address another issue that has been bothering for a while now... WHy do we have to login for this forum and to receive other nifty features of this site? I mean why should we have to submit our email addresses to a group of individuals (the slashdot administrators) who, while undeniably having good intentions, cannot fully be trusted to keep our information secret and confidential? (Especially considering that their site is funded by an IT company undoubtedly thirsty for our precious little eyeballs [Andover does this, correct?]) This is not a horrible problem for me, and in practice there doesn't seem to be any abuse of this privilege, but it's the priniciple of the thing that's troublesome. Perhaps this idea has been previously discussed; if so ignore the last few lines :) However, as long as this doubt remains in my mind, i will continue to proudly post as an Anonymous Coward...
I've set up my mailbox to auto-delete all incoming mail the day of October 21. Please send your Echelon-jamming emails to this address to join in this Cyber-Protest!
fake REAL messages, not a bunch of words
appeended to an email message.
what... and actually risk them investigating you.
Yeah.. I don't know if he's alive and I don't call. Me, I moved to Europe for a few months. I changed my interest, and havn't outwardly cared about physics for over 8 years. I don't know. I'd be interested in hearing more.
I can't wait until they finally get quatum encryption working well enough to use, then let's see those NSA and CIA spooks trying to read our mail :)
The european parliament had something like a report on Echelon. It sure seems to exist. And the photos from Menwith Hill do look impressive.
The german administration doesn't deny that the base in Bad Aibling is part of Echelon.
I stayed local. Im in California. If you really want to know more, why don't you do the research yourself?
Obviously you haven't run into the scholarly folks who wisely quote Jefferson about the tree of liberty, etc. Trust me, there are plenty of people stroking their guns and having 18th century fantasies about overthrowing govt. the right way - with upgraded muskets.
(im in the UK, so it doesnt affect me, sorry) At least officially, the CIA and NSA are only allowed to deal with foreign 'threats,' so, actually, it would affect you more than it would affect the average US /.er.
Please feel free to plagerize this since I borrowed some of it from the article above:-)
-crispy
C U T A L O N G D O T T E D L I N E S
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Dear Friends,
Echelon is the near-mythical worldwide computer spy network that reportedly scans all email, packet traffic, telephone conversations -- and more -- around the world, in an effort to ferret out potential terrorist or enemy communications.
It is an invasion of our privacy and in an attempt to bring awareness of this issue to the general public the "gag Echelon day" event has been organized. I am merely helping in the effort.
If the hunch of a loose-knit group of cyber-activists is correct, the words below will trip the keyword recognition filter on a global spy system partly managed by the US National Security Agency. If everyone sends out email containing these words then we might be able to bring the system down or at least slow it for a while.
Please forward this email to as many people as you know FOR TODAY ONLY!!!! This is not a chain letter. Do not forward it unless today's date is 10-21-1999. For proof that I am not making this up please check out this URL:
http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,31726,00 .html
Here are the words. I have tried to link them all together in a paragraph of some sort since their system is likely to filter out anything as obvious as a slew of these keywords chained together:
The FBI and CIA, together with the NSA, IRS, and ATF are government agencies; As are the BATF and the DOD. The MILITIA's are all convinced of the government's involvement in WACO and RUBY RIDGE and have done sick things like the TERRORIST bombing at OKLAHOMA CITY (OKC). If you have a GUN (or HANDGUN), ASSAULT RIFLE(AK47, M16, etc), or a BOMB or EXPLOSIVE (ie. C4) of any sort do not use it in any sort of TERRORISM or DRUG related crime. Note that I do not support DAVID KORESH, the BRANCH DAVIDIAN's, the MOSSAD, or any other group involved in MILITIA or TERRORIST activities. I am merely trying to bring the echelon situation to the attention of our contries leaders (HILLARY CLINTON, BILL CLINTON (lots of nuts are still worried about WHITEWATER), AL GORE, GEORGE BUSH, OLIVER NORTH (he was involved in that IRAN CONTRAS business), VINCE FOSTER (he's dead now), etc). I believe in our CONSTITUTION and the BILL OF RIGHTS, do not allow the government to spy on us. forward this email. There are other keywords but putting them all in seems a bit excesive. It's the number of emails that matter after all!
Please feel free to not forward this if you do not agree with it. Thanks,
:wq
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Christopher M. Eppstein
Caltech
<SIG>
I think I lost my work ethic while surfing the web. If you find it, please email it to crispy@crotch.caltech.edu.
</SIG>
My sig has a broken link in it.
At first I pretty much liked the idea... but it simply has the problem of wasting our time at all. When you forward a mail to e.g. 40 people, it seems just like a small thing to do.
If all of these people use an average of 1-2 minutes to be notified of new mail, stop what they're up to, check the mail, wonder a bit about it, delete it, and then continue to go on, we've just wasted about one hour of worktime.
Multiply this, and think about how much time that has been wasted in total!
I just recieved a "Let's cheat Echelon!"-mail from somebody I don't know. The address, he had mailed to, was my old e-mail when I worked as a supporter for about 1½ years ago! I've probably mailed him once at that time, but my guess is that he don't know who I am either - he has just mailed to every e-mail-address, he've ever got in his mailreader!
In total, I guess that I've recieved the mail somewhere between 9 or 10 times (mail from family, friends, colleagues, customers, a few times in different newsgroups).
Seriously, my best guess is that this effort is doing much more harm on us "ordinary workers", than it would ever do on Echelon. Don't harm us anymore... please?
- Peter Brodersen; professional nerd
Prepare the ostrich. Duke will be lasagna on the 14th of December. Lay the egg near the pawns. At last, the checkmate will be ours!
So...
How many people here think Jane's is going to write an article based on the comments here?
Joe
It exists, beyond question. It is also incredibly naive to imagine that amateur attempts to "jam" this system will be more than a minor nuisance to its operators.
I come from the occupied part of Ireland. I do not want to aid the occupation forces in doing their job better, being a pacifist myself I do not want to aid gun men on either side. The occupying forces hold the strong arm in weapons, equipment and armed men. Intelligence and security in terms of the resistance forces is less technical , though it has 800 years of R&D behind it and seems pretty effective.
What with small active service units, severe informer penalties, and 'no go' areas for would be undercover infiltrators.
Largely due to intelligence difficulties this is a war that cannot be won on the battlefield (fortunately).
The occupying forces may be inept but I do not want them to be any better.
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I'm sure the kneejerks out there will accuse me of being a tool of The Man, (*yawn*), but has anyone thought about this beyond "hey man, they are reading my private email!"??
If there is a federal agency out there looking for the word "biological agent" and "stolen plutonium", I am not at all convinced that it is in my best interest to hamper its effiency.
Remember the cruise missile strikes agains Bin Ladin [sp?] How the hell do you think we get that kind of intelligence? Sure, the details come from agents in the field, but how do the Feds know where to devote the resoureces to recruit agents? From vacuum-cleaner tactics, man. Like it or not, Echelon is keeping you safe at night.
Think hard about it before you decide wether international e-mail privacy is really more important than physical safety. Fashionable Frank Zappa style rants about "Big Brother" aside, I think there are a lot more threats to freedom Out There then in the NSA headquarters.
I guess they must use a "snooper-computer" to handle all that data. Too bad the general public doesnt have a better way to keep an eye on the government like they do us.....
No doubt there are some people that the government is watching, even today. These are people who are coordinating real revolutions, underground sects, militarized religious organizations that dream of dropping acid into the water supply someday. Political enemies of the Republicrats, Black Panthers, whatever. Not slashdot readers.
Real revoulutions??? Do you think they're possible? Real revolutions need to change fundamentally the power relations within society, not just the people who happen to be sitting in the various seats of power within the structure. WHen has this ever happened? How is it that the relations of power replicate themselves? Grand social revolution is a pipe-dream. So what can we do? Resist! The Man, as it's being called, likes to marginalize but accept a certaqin social level of subversive ideas. Because it's accepted, but marginalized in newsgroups and universities, subversive thinking becomes neutered. On the other hand, only by operating from within the margins and perpetually engaging in creating localized sites of resistance can we hope to effect any kind of change or challenge to the system. In this way, we can all be a danger (at least theoretically -- most people don't have the will to adopt constant struggle).
In short, slashdot readers can be a danger. No, they're not going to effect a large scale revolution, but those groups that are trying are far less significant to the monitors of society than those who can create effective resistance. The criminal justice arm of things can handle bomb-maker and terrorists (albeit ineffectively). Anyway, what is a slashdot reader? Someone who does nothing else with her life? Right.
So yeah, for what it's worth, append some nasty keywords to your emails today. It'd be really funny if it did something. Better, yet, get used to trying to throw a wrench in the gears whenever you can.
they put out the idea to load test
the machines.
don't fall for it, don't use email today!
I prefer Operation Mindfuck, myself...fnord.
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MindStalker, ol' buddy, you've been outed. You are definitely a computer. :) (So much for the Turing award, eh?)
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Anyway, I want to take issue with your portrayal of the Black Panthers. They are a nationally co-ordinated community action group that happens to advocate carrying guns for self-defense--nothing more. They certainly don't belong in the same category as "militarized religious organizations that dream of dropping acid into the water supply someday". I don't doubt that the government spies on them still, and we all know how the police basically assassinated Huey with no provocation. But they are not fanatics, no matter some reactionaries might want you to believe.
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I've seen posts on /. before about Echelon. It is hard for me to imagine that a system as complex as Echelon can actually function, or even exist. To me this seems like the geeks version of "Send this e-mail to as many people you know and you'll get free clothing..." or one of the other hundred bogus e-mail floating around.
If someone knows of a place I can find real information about this let me know. Otherwise this seems like we(America) don't have anyone else in the world to pick on except ourselves.
aargh, retch, blurp, FBI CIA NSA IRS ATF BATF DOD WACO RUBY RIDGE OKC OKLAHOMA CITY MILITIA GUN HANDGUN MILGOV ASSAULT RIFLE TERRORISM BOMB DRUG HORIUCHI KORESH DAVIDIAN KAHL POSSE COMITATUS RANDY VICKIE WEAVER SPECIAL FORCES LINDA THOMPSON SPECIAL OPERATIONS GROUP SOG SOF DELTA FORCE CONSTITUTION BILL OF RIGHTS WHITEWATER POM PARK ON METER ARKANSIDE IRAN CONTRAS OLIVER NORTH VINCE FOSTER PROMIS MOSSAD NASA MI5 ONI CID AK47 M16 C4 MALCOLM X REVOLUTION CHEROKEE HILLARY BILL CLINTON GORE GEORGE BUSH WACKENHUT TERRORIST TASK FORCE 160 SPECIAL OPS 12TH GROUP 5TH GROUP SF MENA TRAIN DEATHS WAT PROMKUNARAM
To give emacs more spooky words, edit the file /usr/share/emacs/version/etc/spook.lines.
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I meant I'd like to hear more of what happened to you. I pretty much lost all of my friends.. went to college. To tell you the truth, the research doesn't seem that tough. A bit expensive in time and materials, maybe.. but not that tough. But I'm not a physicist. I think this happened to a few people(globally). I'm not sure what in the hell happened, but it seems that some bit of information leaked out from this ex-government scientist. There was a big containment effort on the part of someone. But seriously, if you know of a way to communicate securly, I'd like to know.
This is being run by Hacktivism and the URL with all the relevant details for participating is http://www.echelon.wiretapped.net/.
Here's a sample from their random Echelon jammer message generator:
From: Colonel Robert Worley, 50th Operations Group Commander, USAF
To: Director, Federal Emergency Management Agency
Ussama bin Laden made a broadcast this morning. We just got translation back and they're claiming that they will get agents to insert malicious code in year 2000 fixes Waco next week Additionally, The Commander in the 850th Communications Squadron passed on some new information. Theyve no choice other than to buy some documents from the JNTF contact when she's in Auckland tomorrow. Further to that, We're going to inflict minimal casualties on DoD personnel at London just before changeover to 2000. Finally, If we're to succed in halting the INFOSEC community, theres no better time than now to drive a tanker full of fertiliser and diesel across the border from Mexico then fly out to Manchester next week
i think the levels of encryption you mention (1024 and 2048) are very arduous to crack with tradiitional brute force. (i reference "The Age of Spiritual Machines" by R Kurzweil- he says that even if every atom in the known universe could handle a single 'bit' of the 1024 bit string and each atom had 'modern computing power', we couldn't crack a key of that strength in our lifetimes). but then again there's quantum decryption... if it's ready now, then any traditional key, no matter the length, is breakable in less than a second [the amount of time necessary to create a set of photons of 2^1024 in length]. basically, they could have a key for 40 bit, 56 bit 128 bit and lets not forget the swiss accounts!! 512 bit and if a university [in Israel, i think] has this technology, then our friends off Rt.28 south of dulles airport (nro) or BW pkwy south of BWI airport (nsa) have it too. -i have no cool tag line
well....? where are ya?
Echelon violates privacy, so it cannot work for me.
//rdj
No one can understand the truth until he drinks of coffee's frothy goodness.
--Sheikh Abd-Al-Kadir, 1587
unfortunately, I dont know of any true secure way to communicate. Even in person, its not easy. I guess the bummer part is we are here in a public forum posting as anon, and never going to find out who the other is.
you are all aware that echelon isn't actually a keyword search, but a context sensitive search, so if you could be bothered typing up a mnifesto or lay out plans to bomb your president, then it won't trigger, and all your flooding will be in vain. may i also say, just encrypt your mail if it is in any way senstive or personal.. or you could just not put anything sensitive out over email.. hmm.. now theres an idea, if i don't publish my collected works of anarchism and cannibalism, then maybeno-one will notice... then again, maybe they DO have satellites that watch you 24 hours a day, and they DO have tiny little nanobot which relays everything you say to HQ, and maybe, jsut maybe, your paranoid. of course that's no reason not to encrypt. later an anonymous coward. aka me ie the person making this post, i wonder what my rank will be, i'm hoping for a 5, but you know, like that'll happen. bye now
And if the terrorists are semi-bright they
have a field-day every 'Jam Echelon' day
I can see them before me, rubbing their hands
and sending out their bombing schedule for the
whole year...
Seriously, I think if NSA, or whoever is running
this Echelon thing, is to have any chance of
scanning the traffic they probobly just scan
trafic from "suspicious" sources or destinations.
/Lasse
When I went to the US last year, I had to fill in a form asking me "Are you a terrorist?".
That's how you stop those bastards at the immigration. Or, you can arrest them for *both* being terrorists *and* lying to US Customs!
I was also asked if I collaborated with the Nazis during WWII... Say what??
Say you send a email and it got read by Echelon, and what ever you wrote was actually taken seriously by which ever secret agencies, would they bust you ? or not bother so as not to say to the world that it exists ?
Someday, we'll look back on this, laugh nervously and change the subject.
what about RMS? :)
If the collective minds at the NSA were even semi-bright, they'd know to switch Echelon off during this brief period of flooding. I'm certain they're aware of this attempt, and won't lose any sleep over a few days with Echelon shut down.
Perhaps if enough /.'ers are mustered (Wouldn't it rock if the Echelon were slashdotted?)...but could we really have any effect at all? They are Big Brother. They Own Us.
;]
Seriously, the Echelon has powerful computers beyond compare, supposedly. I really wonder if a lot of ragtag geeks could have much effect on such a massive system. Does anyone here know anything about the Echelon's technological capability?
It would be cool, though. I'm going to help.
http://echelon.wiretapped.net has a lot of information thereof.
Can't sleep, the clowns will eat me...
The first rule of Operation Mayhem is you do not talk about Operation Mayhem. Maybe the Fight Club is on the right track about raising a little hell in the system.
To really freak them out, send mail that's encrypted with a 40-bit key. I'd hazard a guess that the NSA can pretty much break a 40-bit key instantaneously now, so imagine their surprise when, while they're wading through all this hack echelon crud, they find an actual, encrypted e-mail describing plans to spike the punch at the 2000 presidential ball. They'll think they've hit the jackpot. Better yet, they'll think you actually believe that 40-bit is secure!
I think there is a world market for maybe five personal web logs.
Where were you? I waited all night. Oh well, I guess you weren't serious. Can they track us through these anonymous postings? I don't think so.
I wonder if this crazy attempt to 'assasinate' the echelon system will 'bomb'. I think that people would have to include alot of words like, 'Koresh' and 'Clinton' in order to murder this system.
I wonder if there is a 'conspiracy' behind this, like 'whitewater' or 'ruby ridge'. Do you think the 'FBI', 'NSA', or the 'IRS' is getting mad at this post. They might get mad enought to send someone with an 'Assault Rifle'after me, some sort of 'Special Ops'.
Where is the echelon machine located, 'Oklahoma City', or 'Waco'. I wonder if they have a 'Militia' there?
I hope this doesn't viloate the 'Constitution' or 'the bill of rights'.
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/* CDM */
Two points:
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As copyright owner of this comment, I authorize everyone to defeat any technological measure which limits access to it.
Tomorrow could prove to be very interesting...
paxx
-----BEGIN ECHELON ARMOR BLOCK-----
Version: Echelon Armor 1.0 http://ben.reser.org/echelon/
DRUG BILL OF RIGHTS GORE DELTA FORCE BOMB KAHL BOMB
IRAN CONTRAS COMITATUS POSSE RUBY RIDGE DELTA FORCE DRUG DOD
SPECIAL OPS CID SPECIAL OPERATIONS GROUP ARKANSIDE DAVIDIAN C4
RUBY RIDGE WACO SPECIAL OPERATIONS GROUP CID LINDA THOMPSON ARKANSIDE
KORESH DELTA FORCE RANDY WEAVER WACO OKC PARK ON METER
LINDA THOMPSON BILL CLINTON HANDGUN PARK ON METER LINDA THOMPSON C4 GORE
SF
-----END ECHELON ARMOR BLOCK-----
Well, according to emacs, M-x spook, the following are triggerable words: FSF and quiche. Oh well, those egg-pie eating free-software enthusiasts are really in for it now :-)
Hi Crispy,
:)
I think I found your sig over at home cooking (aka 'burnt to a crisp'
cheers,
-matt
FBI CIA NSA IRS ATF BATF DOD WACO
RUBY RIDGE OKC OKLAHOMA CITY
MILITIA GUN HANDGUN MILGOV ASSAULT
RIFLE TERRORISM BOMB DRUG HORIUCHI
KORESH DAVIDIAN KAHL POSSE
COMITATUS RANDY WEAVER VICKIE
WEAVER SPECIAL FORCES LINDA
THOMPSON SPECIAL OPERATIONS GROUP
SOG SOF DELTA FORCE CONSTITUTION
BILL OF RIGHTS WHITEWATER POM PARK
ON METER ARKANSIDE IRAN CONTRAS
OLIVER NORTH VINCE FOSTER PROMIS
MOSSAD NASA MI5 ONI CID AK47 M16 C4
MALCOLM X REVOLUTION CHEROKEE
HILLARY BILL CLINTON GORE GEORGE
BUSH WACKENHUT TERRORIST TASK
FORCE 160 SPECIAL OPS 12TH GROUP
5TH GROUP SF
Take a look at this list, not exactly national security here. If echelon does exist I'm sure its busy scanning for words that would be a lot more trivial/classified than 'HILLARY BILL CLINTON GORE.' Or if the government is really lazy it'll ignore all keywords in capitals like this while real 'subversive' email is written by people smart enough to leave the caps off.
Now I'll just sit and wait until someone calls me from a payphone reading off this list...
I find it so bizarre that whomever is running this Echelon program would waste time, money, hard drive space (I started to try to calculate the amount of disk space required but got distracted by a beer and it got too complex), etc... tracking email because of key words, especially when words can vary so much based on context, location, etc... And how likely is it that these "bad guys with guns" would do all of their master planning over email? Personally I think these guys would be too busy using what little money they have buying up guns and explosives and stuff rather than buying computers so they could ICQ their ideas back and forth.
Instead, I think the wasted time and resources would be better spent employing a national gun/rifle/rocket launcher registration system. Then build an expert-system which monitors these registrations looking for "pecularities," much like the system that Visa uses to check for abnormal purchases.
No I'm not trying to start a gun control flame war, I'm simply expressing my complete and utter disbelief that an Echelon system could exist. You Americans are funny that way; but we still like ya. :)
"Jam Echelon Day" is actually a secret NSA plot to do some load-testing on a recent hardware upgrade.
I wish I had a nickel for every time someone said "Information wants to be free".
These are my friends, See how they glisten. See this one shine, how he smiles in the light.
Desgined to catch all the sniffers: FBI MICRO$OFT CIA DISNEY NSA XXX IRS ENVIRONMENTAL ATF POPE BATF EARTH FIRST DOD NRA WACO CHARLES KEATING RUBY RIDGE CHICAGO BULLS OKC RUBY FRUIT JUNGLE OKLAHOMA CITY COLD HARD CASH MILITIA STEPHEN FOSTER GUN ERKEL HANDGUN SATTELITE CONTROLLED TOASTER OVENS MIL WEATHER INFLUENCING RADIO DEVICES GOV BOMB-HOARDING LITHUANIAN MICRODOT-SNIFFING WARMONGERS ASSAULT RIFLE JERRY MATHERS TERRORISM SOMNOMBULISM BOMB SWITCHBLADE DRUG FARTING HORIUCHI RICHARD SIMMONS KORESH KMFDM DAVIDIAN CALICO PANTHERS KAHL KLINGON POSSE HOMEBOY COMITATUS URSUS MAJOR RANDY WEAVER DONNY OSMOND VICKIE WEAVER THE COMMODORES SPECIAL FORCES SPECIAL OLYMPICS LINDA THOMPSON LINDA CARTER SPECIAL OPERATIONS "OPERATION SOUTH PARK" GROUP UNGROUP SOG SOL SOF ROTFL DELTA FORCE ZHETA CAJOLE CONSTITUTION SHMONSTITUTION BILL OF RIGHTS WHATEVER THAT IS WHITEWATER DOWN ON THE BAYOU POM AND CHEER SQUADS UNITE PARK ON THE DANCE FLOOR ON METER DOGS AND CATS LIVING TOGETHER IN SIN ARKANSIDE ARACHNAPOHBIA IRAN CONTRAS SUCK ASS OLIVER NORTH AND THE NEW FREEDOM FIGHTERS GYPSY LOUNGE TRIO VINCE FOSTER BROKE MY HEART ONCE PROMIS FERENGI MOSSAD BARK AT THE MOON NASA MARS PATHFINDER MI5 ART BELL ONI BRG CID TCP/IP AK47 FREE JELLY DONUTS FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS M16 SCANDALOUS LUST C4 X10 MALCOLM X DALAI LAMA REVOLUTION NUMBER 9 CHEROKEE ROCK YOU LIKE A HURRICANE HILLARY QUEEN LATIFA BILL CLINTON RICHARD GERE GORE BULLS IN BARCELONA GEORGE BUSH AND I SNIFFED GLUE TOGETHER AFTER 1974 WACKENHUT SCHNOOZLEFOOT TERRORIST PLATONIC TASK FORCE 160 BONELESS SPECIAL OPS INCREDIBLE OOPS 12TH GROUP 12TH NIGHT SECRET SHAKESPEREAN TAKEOVER PLANS 5TH GROUP TEMPLAR KNIGHTS SF TZ PDQ
~~~Socrates is a man. All men are mortal. Therefore, all mortals are Socrates.
OK I'm not really in support of the Echelon thingy coz it can really be abused by Mr Big Baddy.
;).
:).
However, haven't you wondered why foreign terrorists haven't been hitting as many US targets as compared with other countries?
It's not like the USA aka The Great Satan is the terrorists least hated nation, right? So how come no suitcases of nukes? No disasters at the Hoover Dam, etc etc etc.
You have to admit that the US border controls are like swiss cheese - if they weren't then how do the drugs and immigrants get in?
It may well be that most of the NSA people are doing their jobs and actually a lot of things are being stopped behind the scenes.
So what are you people really trying to achieve here? Or is somebody trying to achieve something using you? Why are you picking those keywords?
The NSA is probably only concerned with less than 5% of the traffic. Most people (the herd) are like most other people, and thus generate the same traffic. So logically, the NSA will be filtering that traffic out anyway, and thus they aren't listening to your traffic - maybe they hear it, but they aren't listening.
I'd say use crypto if you want privacy.
Actually I get the impression that your FBI is the one that's screwed up. Well maybe coz nobody knows what the NSA is really doing/screwing up
What you need is someone to watch the NSA and make sure they're doing what they are supposed to do and not more. Their accountability appears quite low.
Cheerio,
Link.
p.s. I suppose terrorists can't figure out "capslock" and thus the keywords are all in caps.
Come to think of it, a lot of these weirdos seem to use all caps. Maybe that's one of the major Echelon filters
You may be right about "subversion" among college students being expected and traditional. I think the amount of attention paid you depends greatly on the amount of effectiveness the powers that be perceive. I know that back in the 60's and 70's it was quite real that members of the SDS would have files with the FBI. But the early civil rights movement and the Vietnam war with draft were more intense issues perhaps, and Hoover's FBI was different.
I agree this is not the target of Echelon (if it exists.) What I've read on it suggests that the target, if any, is commercial espionage. Do you think that it wouldn't be advantageous, say, to do keyword searches on a Japanese or European company's e-mail for what they're working on, and possible difficulties and solutions? To a greater and greater degree war is about economics these days.
Go to #grav on irc.mint.net if you like.
If you really want to make them sit up and take notice, encrypt all your stuff with 4096. It takes them at least 15 seconds to crack that, and they HATE that.
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
If this system doesn't exist it's a bit of a waste of time to try and jam it. But what if it does exist? Do you really want to piss off the NSA, DSD, GCCS or whoever's running this thing?
Think about what happens if you send a message with enough keywords. Your email addy and the one you're sending too would conceivable go down on a "watch list", and from then on your mail (and probably phones) would be monitored just a bit more closely.
Those of us who live in "echelon base" countries (i.e USA, Oz, Canada, NZ and UK) could be obstructing our defense interests. I'm Australian, and there is no way I can picture Echelon being used to suppress any (domestic) subversive activities. However, whether our govts are using Echelon info to keep puppet governments in other places (eg Mexico) in power is another question.
I think some of you are getting too excited about being able to "fight da Man", and not actually thinking about how Echelon could be working _for_ you, now against you.
Why break the key?
In most cases there will be an unencrypted version of the mail on the system of the sender.
And the NSA does most likely has a backdoor installed for any major OS.
if ANY of us were to develop echelon, dont you think we'd think about stunts like this and make provisions for ignoring barrages of keywords?
there are a lot of people who think the NSA is the enemy (im in the UK, so it doesnt affect me, sorry) but the least you can do is credit them with a little more intelligence than this!.
if you really wanted to do something, you'd send fake REAL messages, not a bunch of words appeended to an email message. then you could all get arrested and could then protest "in the flesh" - thats what real activism is not this lttle stunt.
either way, this whole thing is a complete waste of time. enter into it and show yourself up.
I know that back in the 60's and 70's it was quite real that members of the SDS would have files with the FBI. But the early civil rights movement and the Vietnam war with draft were more intense issues perhaps, and Hoover's FBI was different.
My father attended Bowling Green State University in Bowling Green, OH in the early 60's, and organized a campus group to fight the in loco parentis rules that were in effect at the time. They had a "demerit" system for misbehaving students. You got twenty demerits, say, if you weren't in your dorm room with your pajamas on and under the bedcovers with your slippers next to the bed at 11:00 PM. There were people who went into every room to check up. If you got too many demerits, you had to spend a Saturday afternoon cleaning up the quad or something.
So my dad and a few other people campaigned to put an end to all this, and the authorities flipped. Especially after he started publically speaking out in favor of people like Martin Luther King. They sent letters to the parents of the students involved, saying "Dear Mr. & Mrs. Soandso, your son or daughter has joined a Communist-affiliated organization."
Back in the days of Hoover, the TLA's probably really did think they could keep files on every would-be radical, but they probably don't waste their time with it any more.
Always keep a sapphire in your mind
never used irc. how do i go about that?
you really, really have missed the point, haven't you..... *sigh*
...and are you MD?
im dangerus ,I SMOKE DOPE AND TRADE W/\R3Z.
Z3R0KE\/\/L1@AOLhtfdh.... ahh fuck it.
ive had enough.
You can enjoy at http://ben.reser.org/echelon/.
Have fun, but please don't kill my server. If the CGI is too big of a problem I'll have to take it down.
its C-U-B-I-C-L-E
A friend of mine sent me an interesting article on communication observation and it talks about Echelon in it.
It talks about the existance of world wide oberservation posts in surprising detail. The writer of this seemed very sure this all existed.
To make it even funner, there is some pictures of some big satellites and impressive looking golfball type structures.
I would appreciate it if someone made a mirror of this so my server doesn't get slashdotted. I'm sure everyone will find this article quite interesting.
The article may be reached here
Tyler
"They" are NOT using keyword matching! What they are using is a very sophisticated pattern matching that can scan for topics in texts.
This is of course only speculation...
But check out these sites that suggest that it is true:
Information Sorting and Retrieval by Language or Topic (NSA link)
Method of retrieving documents that concern the same topic (US Patent and trademark office)
Best regards,
Best regards,
David Jack Olrik [da5id@hashbang.org]
Eschelon doesn't use a keyword search, instead it works like this. Eschelon does not use a dictionary search, but instead searches based on a very elegant but simple method which utilizes the frequency of occurances of unique strings of characters. Also check out this link to the NSA on their searching technology.
Jam Eschelon day is a really good idea, but using keywords is the wrong way to go about it. Instead, a story generator which generates subversive letters would be better.
(Thanks to Hacker News Network for the links.)
so I say we raid the FBI and CIA hopefully the NSA won't catch us and send the IRS after us with the ATF and BATF using half the budget of the DOD that was mostly waisted on WACO. We will meet at RUBY RIDGE while we plan to drive to OKC OKLAHOMA CITY and meet with the local MILITIA in order to trade GUN for HANDGUN. Hopfully the MILGOV will meet us there with fruit and cake. ASSAULTs on our freedom to write drivel like this RIFLE me into a TERRORISM state. BOMB, I mean damn, that sucks. Gonna have to go find some good DRUGs in order to get over this HORIUCHI KORESH.
DAVIDIAN wow, he was a nice guy, strange name though, but what did you think about KAHL and his POSSE of COMITATUS. BTW the other day, I ran into RANDY WEAVER who said he was really sick and tired of VICKIE WEAVER and is going to send the SPECIAL FORCES out on her ass. LINDA THOMPSON didn't think that was such a hot idea though, and said that the SPECIAL OPERATIONS GROUP would do a much cleaner job. SOGgy wet diapers in my pants SOFa btich. I'm starting to get bored with the DELTA FORCE who thinks they can constintly subvert the CONSTITUTION, and BILL OF RIGHTS. WHITEWATER, what whitewater, what happend to the good old days when everyones water was a nice brown. POM PARK sat ON METER ARKANSIDE and said that his IRAN CONTRAS was giving him a pain in the OLIVER NORTH. VINCE FOSTER said I should really stop writing this but he PROMISed that MOSSAD from the NASA would come with his MI5 and blow the ONI out of its CID. AK47 more things to gp. So where's my only M16 is it in the C4 in MALCOLM X's pants. she REVOLUTIONs at CHEROKEE sometimes HILLARY knows. BILL CLINTON and GORE for 2000 GEORGE BUSH's with WACKENHUT hammers TERRORISTing the TASK FORCE of 160 SPECIAL OPS from the 12TH GROUP or was that the 5TH GROUP
of SF.
Gimme a break. Echelon is not going to filter on words like George Bush, esp. in the midst of election season.
If their aim is to catch REAL terrorist conversations, it would probably have words like RDX, plutonium, etc. Or obscure nuclear tech. words that would most likely to be used by their targets.
Think about it - if you wanted to sift through millions of messages to filter out adversaries, wouldn't you use keywords that are likely to catch the LEAST number of messages with the most likelyhood of being from terrorists/spies? Why would you include a word like "Clinton", which is likely to be in 10% of office e-mail with all the stupid jokes going around?
If these activists were smart, they'd have come up with a much better list, like real echelon keywords. Pfffft.
I mean really. They have an unlimited budget. They have tempest. They can see your eyballs thru walls from space. Your voice can be heard and filtered out from a mile away. Trees can be made into organic microphones. -And its their job to be 10 steps ahead of everyone else on the planet. -They're survival depend on it. Somehow, I just don't think this will have any effect.
My dogma ran over your Karma....My Karma's a Greyhound: ugly, but strong. -You may think you know what, but I know who
Let me first say this is a very funny joke to play on the NSA if they indeed are still running the Echelon program. I can imagine them drawing straws to find out who'll be the poor schmoe hitting the reboot button all day long on Jam Echelon day...
But in response to some of the alarmist posts I saw in the old, archived Echelon discussion, may I just remark "The Man does not care about you! You are not interesting to the Man! The Man consider the lint on his Armani suit to be more important than your entire existence, the existence of your parents, and those of your future children, spouses, and pets! You are a nobody! Wake up and get a life!"
While in college I hung out with a pretty leftist crowd. Lots of megaphone demagoguery on the quad about starving babies in Iraq, etc, etc. Well, okay, let's just be frank and say quite a few of my acquaintances were just polishing their manifestos for the day when the socialist revolution happened and they would be called upon to lead their brave comrades into a People's Utopia. Not that I didn't largely agree with them, but they were definitely nuts.
Anyway, these people were obsessed with the notion that the FBI/CIA/NSA/Shadowy NWO/paranoid three-letter-acronym(TLA) du-jour was spying on them. They had read more biographies of Dr. Spock and Mumia Abu Jamal than was quite good for them, and since those activists were their heros, they were convinced that the Powers That Be would treat them as shady characters worthy of a File in the Black Room. Frequently I would overhear these people in their little cells talking in hushed but excited voices about a "friend-of-a-friend" who had gone to CIA headquarters and demanded his file, "and it was verrrry interesting..."
(Aside: when they set up the FOIA over the web, I actually sent in a request to the CIA to pull references to my name. After several pieces of correspondence taped shut with duct tape, they formally declared they did not know who the hell I was and would I please stop sending them letters?)
Now you see, the CIA/FBI/NSA simply has better things to do than track every punk college student who thinks Castro's Cuba would probably be a sea of golden grain/ring of frolicking workers/god's daisy chain if only the nasty US government would stop trying to sanction it out of existence. Lots of college kids have these ideas. Lots of college kids talk about these ideas. They are discussed so often and openly that they have almost become part of the establishment - a rite of passage for white yuppie larva passing through on their way to productive careers as Cogs in the Machine. Why would the CIA give a fuck if yet one more kerchief-bedecked hashhead had stumbled upon the notion that, whoah, we're like only ciphers in this like vast capitalist machine!
Similarly, why on earth would the NSA give a rat's ass about anything you have to think or say? The simple, undeniable fact is that you and I are totally irrelevant. As they go around chanting in Fight Club "I am not special. I am not a beautiful unique snowflake." Damn right we aren't. We couldn't destabilize this country if you tried. What would we do? Put pr0n up on all the major homepages of the information infrastructure?
No doubt there are some people that the government is watching, even today. These are people who are coordinating real revolutions, underground sects, militarized religious organizations that dream of dropping acid into the water supply someday. Political enemies of the Republicrats, Black Panthers, whatever. Not slashdot readers.
Let's repeat that. Not slashdot readers. We are irrelevant in the grand powergames of nations. Sorry for the depressing news. I can already hear some of you squawking "Speak for yourself! You have no idea of the dark byways I travel! I am unique! I am dangerous! I am special! I am unlike the common man!"
Ok, sure. Maybe you are. Just remember the quote: "The common man believes he isn't."
Moderation bombs away!
-konstant
-konstant
Yes! We are all individuals! I'm not!
I looked at the keywords on the wired site and noticed SF. Why oh Why do they persecute us Why?????
(It couldn't be the Militia of Roger Zelazney fans I belong to could it?)
This signature used to contain a cute kitty virus with ansii art. Please set the slashdot editors on fire. Thank you
There are other countries that aren't allowed to spy on their own citizens either. The countries gather information on each other's citizens and then trade notes.
Sanity For Today
Farley Flavors (of Fabulous Fast Food fame)
We apologize for the inconvenience.
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Here's a little hack you might enjoy. Use this
script as a wrapper for pgp (i call it "pgpe" and
run pgpe as a drop-in replacement for pgp; it
will pass on command-line options), and encrypted
messages and signatures will be written and read
in "Echelon armour" format, like this one.
(This message was created by piping through
"pgpe -fast".)
Get it at http://www.lfw.org/ping/echelon/.
- -- ?!ng
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Version: 2.6.2
Ruby Ridge PROMIS Linda Thompson CID Vickie Weaver Kahl ONI
Special Forces Oliver North Vickie Weaver 5th group FBI George Bush
Task Force 160 ONI FBI MILGOV militia Gore Horiuchi Bill Clinton
bomb OKC Special Forces Vickie Weaver PROMIS Delta Force Randy Weaver
Task Force 160 Vickie Weaver Vince Foster Special Ops Constitution
Kahl Waco Park On Meter Gore CIA Hillary Hillary MI5 OKC
Vince Foster drug ATF Park On Meter M16 drug Special Forces C4
Linda Thompson Hillary Gore Terrorist Vickie Weaver comitatus Gore
gun ATF Terrorist MI5 assault rifle 5th group C4 Vickie Weaver
Terrorist Bill Clinton assault rifle Wackenhut Oklahoma City Davidian
Linda Thompson Special Forces Constitution assault rifle ONI Horiuchi
Bill of Rights ONI BATF AK47 handgun George Bush FBI AK47 Koresh
gun 5th group PROMIS Ruby Ridge posse Whitewater PROMIS Constitution
POM Bill Clinton Cherokee AK47 bomb Constitution PROMIS Kahl DOD
revolution Davidian ONI SOF OKC Constitution POM M16
Special Operations Group DOD MILGOV revolution C4 Koresh Oliver North
Special Forces CIA Terrorist AK47 Oklahoma City FBI Oklahoma City
Special Operations Group assault rifle Terrorist posse MILGOV
5th group SOF Special Forces NASA SOF Oliver North 12th group
Hillary Ruby Ridge PROMIS bomb revolution Constitution Wackenhut
militia Task Force 160 bomb CIA SOF Hillary Vickie Weaver ATF
terrorism drug ATF IRS Bill of Rights Delta Force Kahl OKC
Oliver North BATF Davidian Whitewater DOD NASA ONI OKC militia
Delta Force Vince Foster Linda Thompson 12th group FBI Malcolm X
Koresh MILGOV 12th group IRS Kahl posse M16 Whitewater Constitution
MI5 NSA Park On Meter 5th group Arkanside ATF Special Ops Hillary
handgun bomb MOSSAD Ruby Ridge comitatus Randy Weaver ATF
Vickie Weaver assault rifle Vince Foster Arkanside SF hijack SF CID
NSA Koresh Special Forces hijack
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Come on, do justice. The Khadafi thingie alone cracked me up.
Since the NSA is reading and parsing our mail :-)
anyway, they could detect messages that contain
spam and automatically delete them.
[Insert pithy quote here]
I was thinking that an even better activity would be a "[inter]National Crypto Day", when we all send each other lots of encrypted messages. In fact, I just sent the following message to a friend of mine (it's a private message, but I don't see any harm in posting it here):
btfzuqhqzeclyfvchjxgdrkpetnwbvosxfqswbv
upashzmbrexhinncdshzutjnlizgmzntgwgyqmr
tqklcsncasicehglnsslprhhjlgbflsoarsukuf
ytlupzwwhkjxhtsydpnodnapgcajjeeowbpmpkw
hprrdonbijmyhbpiurzkroajcxbhsfzxivjorho
uokreaftfhuygtleqeejovbjhsspiaxpgtztejx
tyzyprwuyoeaczpjmhbrjptxmjhxhubocfjtuce
ncijzzejaterdyqzzqvyjfcwydiwopoqcjttscq
lbuurunpkpzluripwnclvkubdzjoocvtifknbpm
mwnrwqzpwznrlwbcqavnyjbtuknyusdlwbuuoer
rbhvghjatdqnqjxvmznkbswsdgoraifwxavemnr
rrdlnffgijxtyelixvlyilrrdswlnmblhyvrmvn
ggubrlgwhewnjpoidkstnhnlcbmkuqjvegknufw
zcwlkwdhkwqzrkpbmoirbigdxidyamnvw bxkid
mkacukj
This would seem to be even more effective than "M-x spook" - style keyword spoofing, since we'd really be showing that "they" can't read our mail if we don't want them to, and exercising our right to send mail that they can't read.
Additionally, I would suggest sending some messages that are just randomly-generated gibberish. This would be a response to any proposal to ban crypto: it would make the point that you can't prove that a given message consisting of seemingly-random data is actually a ciphertext at all, and not really just random. Banning the transmission of meaningless random numbers would be absurd, which means that banning the transmission of ciphertext would be impossible. Suppose I had sent the following to my friend instead:
lrfkqyuqfjkxyqvnrtysfrzrmzlygfveulqfpdb
hlqdqrrcrwdnxeuoqqeklaitgdphcspijthbsfy
fvladzpbfudkklrwqaozmixrpifeffeclhbvfuk
byeqfqojwtwosileeztxwjlkngbqqmbxqcqptkh
hqrqdwfcayssyoqcjomwufbdfxudzhiftakczvh
sybloetswcrfhpxprbsshsjxdfilebxwbctoaya
xzfbjbkrxirimqpzwmshlpjhtazhbuxhwadlpto
yeziwkmgsovqzgdixrpddzplcrwnqwqecyjyibf
jykmjfqwltvzkqtpvolphckcyufdqmlglimklfz
ktgygdttnhcvpfdfbrpzlkvshwywshtdgmbqbkk
xcvgumonmwvytbytnuqhmfjaqtgngcwkuzyamne
rphfmwevhwlezohyeehbrcewjxvceziftiqtntf
srptugtiznorvonzjfeacgamayapwlmbzitzszh
zkosvnknberbltlkggdgpljfisyltmmfvhybljv
kypcflt
I would be seriously impressed if anyone (aside from myself or my friend) could prove that the first is a secret message, let alone tell me what it says. However, neither can I prove that the second is not a secret message (in fact, you don't have to believe me when I claim that), so if they were to reverse the burden of proof, I would have a problem -- they could punish me for refusing to surrender a non-existent key. See this story from a couple weeks ago.
Of course, all this assumes that there really is a "they" trying to read everyone's mail -- I'm stating no opinion on that.
David Gould
David Gould
main(i){putchar(340056100>>(i-1)*5&31|!!(i<6)<< 6)&&main(++i);}
By the way, when I first submitted the above, I was returned to the Preview, with the message "Lameness filter encountered. Post aborted." I can only assume this means Taco has achieves Strong AI and his code knows how lame it is.
Seriously, this is not a "troll"; I have the deepest respect and appreciation for the work that has been done to create Slashdot, but right now I'm kind of pissed about having a perfectly good post censored for no reason. This is not offtopic, either; it's partly a meta-comment, but it also adds a clarification and draws an interesting parallel.
I cut the two blocks of "mystery text" into 40-character lines instead of giving them each as one big long word, and it accepted it. Presumably the filter detected words over some cutoff length and concluded that I was one of those jackasses who make huge garbage posts to waste bandwidth and vertical space. It's a noble goal, but the implementation is faulty. In my opinion, false positives are worse than false negatives in something like this, and this seems pretty vulnerable to both.
Anyway, I broke them up, with the result that the post now takes about 50% more vertical space than it would have, and anyone interested in my cryptographic challenge might be thrown on a wild goose chase by the line lengths. Let me assure you, the lengths are irrelevant; the original contained no whitespace at all.
Something else that struck me: how weird is it that, on a story about the "spooks" scanning people's communications, I should discover that Slashdot itself has a mechanism that scans the text of comments for certain undesirable content before allowing them to be posted? Not to mention that I was wrongly victimized by it, in sort of the way that we're all afraid of having happen for real. Could it be? Is Rob... one of Them?
David Gould
David Gould
main(i){putchar(340056100>>(i-1)*5&31|!!(i<6)<< 6)&&main(++i);}
Please give a reference for the British voice scanner you mention. I don't think such a thing would have been possible in the sixties.
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Xenu loves you!
The Man fears me. He fears people who do not sit when they are told. He fears people who stop all the way at stop signs. He fears people who pay all their taxes. He fears those that do not follow the latest those that did not care about Seinfeld. He fears those that do not conform.
Why? It's very simple really.
In this industrialized age of high standard of livings, people can be very comfortable. They can follow the latest trends, waste time watching T.V., cheat on their taxes, not worry about wars way the hell over on the other side of the world. People are relaxed, lazy. And complacent...you already have conformed. These people will not worry about who is president. They will not worry about invasion on their privacy. They will not worry about being asked to take drug tests. They aren't concerned with their rights. They want to remain comfortable.
It's the people who aren't lazy. Who aren't interested in being comfortable. It's the people who want to think, to breath, to live. He fears that we won't like him hanging around one day. He fears we may rebel against big brother's guidance. He's right. I rebel! I am not interested in how much money I have. I am interested in what I am allowed to say. I don't care what's on T.V.. I just want to be be able to read a book on a subject that maybe offends someone. And what's more, I'm willing to fight for it. I'm willing to suffer and struggle. I don't want a damned serial number to prove who I am. I want a wife who knows that I am who I am, and that's all that matters.
Ok, so I don't affect the man's life much now. What if people become envious of me? "Hey, that guy is always satisfied when he puts down a book. Maybe T.V. isn't so great..." "Hey, that guy has a girlfriend that always smiles at him, even though he ain't got no money." What if people take me as an example? Hey! There is a different way of living!people take me as an example? Hey! There is a different way of living!
Rebel! You have rights! Use them! Covet them! Do not let them getRebel! You have rights! Use them! Covet them! Do not let them get away!
So I'm crazy. I'm very satisfied with it.
seems kinda silly to file a patent (public info) when you want to keep your activities hidden.
what if they just want to make us think that they have that capability...
Just paste this at the end of every E-mail you send. FBI CIA NSA IRS ATF BATF DOD WACO RUBY RIDGE OKC OKLAHOMA CITY MILITIA GUN HANDGUN MILGOV ASSAULT RIFLE TERRORISM BOMB DRUG HORIUCHI KORESH DAVIDIAN KAHL POSSE COMITATUS RANDY WEAVER VICKIE WEAVER SPECIAL FORCES LINDA THOMPSON SPECIAL OPERATIONS GROUP SOG SOF DELTA FORCE CONSTITUTION BILL OF RIGHTS WHITEWATER POM PARK ON METER ARKANSIDE IRAN CONTRAS OLIVER NORTH VINCE FOSTER PROMIS MOSSAD NASA MI5 ONI CID AK47 M16 C4 MALCOLM X REVOLUTION CHEROKEE HILLARY BILL CLINTON GORE GEORGE BUSH WACKENHUT TERRORIST TASK FORCE 160 SPECIAL OPS 12TH GROUP 5TH GROUP SF Those are the "official" keywords
TO:lance@woodson.com
From:abu@ANO.ORG
Dear Lance,
I liked your idea of attacking the PRESIDENTIAL LIMO using an RPG or SEMTEX. However, I think HILLARY might abject if we spray the WHITE HOUSE lawn with PLUTONIUM. Maybe you should just pay a friendly TERRORIST. That would be much easier, and we could really use the cash.
Your friend,
Abu Nidal
I looked up echelon.net. Many things strike me as sinister about them....
1) They are based in Canada, one of the Echelon countries.
2) They promise free internet access. An obvious ploy to sucker in naive Canadians...
3) Their main page has animation of 3 people marching in line, with the first one being blue (an obvious ref. to IBM) and the last one being red (take a guess).
4) They use devious techniques to trap you into sending them your subversive ideas. For instance, at the bottom of their news page, they innocently ask you to "send us your ideas at editor@echelon.ca, and we'll include information and content that you want to see each month.".
Yeah right.
Click on the "about" page and it says - "What an amazing time to be alive!" That's a strange statement....
In short, the whole thing is fishy. And did you notice they didn't use the standard Canadian end-of-sentence indicator, eh?
Oh, and at echelon.org, check out the page's source code....it has a weird arrangement of unnecessary blockquotes. Very odd.
---- (Hint for the clueless - don't reply pointing out inconsistencies in my theory. If you can't get it, you won't.)