I'm not sure what you mean by "proper" but ive never had any problems with GMail on Opera.
(waits for FireFox to load)
Ok, so the only differences I found were:
Opera just has the [Loading...] box, whereas FireFox has the username@gmail.com with a progress bar...
second, the (select all / none / etc) appears above the [Archive/Report Spam/Delete] buttons at the bottom of the page, but Opera has it underneath like it is at the top of the email list...
Yes... quite obviously, that's why AMD + ATI, and Intel has their own Graphics stuff, VIA, etc.
Given the power that can be crammed into millimeters of space, may as well combine them, eventually your entire "PC" will be the size of the average processor is now, which just aren't there yet, so there are some naysayers used to older tech, and the junkies waiting for the next best thing.
Which, is both exciting and scary, welcomed and feared... but its just interesting right now like watching two planets collide.
Yeah, the ISP usually has a meter, but like Plasmacutter said, you trust it based on what?
And yes, most Modems, and also Routers have some sort of tracking... my modem doesn't however (Motorola SB5101), only various statistics about the signal/frequency/channels/Hz/etc...
And my router (D-Link EBR-2310) has WAN and LAN packet count, however does not say anything about the size of the packets.
Granted both are cheap pieces of shit, but so are most for home use...
And your OS can track it to some degree aswell, but what if you restart and forgot to write the last amount down?
But, I was just saying, how do you know that what you have sent and received is only what was necessary? it could easily be fudged intentionally, inadvertently by poor hardware, etc, or by miscalculations on any one of those steps. It's not accurate enough to really base a service on, at least not so strictly 12 GBs Maximum, it's like charging telephone calls per syllable, it would be an approximation because of different languages, accents, etc.
Basically exactly what it sounds like... its a real-time physics calcuating engine.
Used in games for things like shooting the limbs off of creatures, or even wind on trees, or water...
Likewise for other 3D applications, im not sure how extensive it is, or what its limitations are, but im looking forward to it, and more because calculating physic type things on most 3D software takes a lot of CPU power, so if the GPU can handle that, that takes a great load of the main CPU. (from what I would assume)
Yeah I'm aware of that, and I agree completely, the problem is can you actually see an ISP (outside of smaller, barely making a profit, looking for clientele please join us ISPs) doing that so honestly?
That was sort of my point, in the immediate conclusion it seems like a great idea, but it gives far too much power to the ISP, or even more power to the government to control what the ISP can do.
It will make sponsored content (Windows Update, Fox News, etc) the primary purpose of the cache after awhile, it is a business after all.
People without the money to pay ISPs or Governors, or whatever to get their content approved for cache, will be on this lesser accessed, slower WWW, making it a pain to get real information or media, and since people are fundamentally lazy, they will inevitably give in, and just go with "what works, right now!"
Curious, how do you know you have downloaded (and/or uploaded) 12GBs?
I mean I doubt you grab the calculator everytime you download a file, or a webpage is finished loading... They could even be inserting corrupt packets, and including that in the 12GB total, or what about ICMP, Ping, DNS's lookups... surely thats included aswell, which is probably in at least the 10's probably the hundreds of MB's after 12GB's...
"no no, see this graph? says there it was 12 GBs"
Ive always gone for the DL/UL limited ISP's cause then as slow as it may (or may not) be, I know that im getting what I can get in a given amount of time... including overhead, and corruption.
Ok so, my ISP (theoretically) wants to keep the data my neighbour has downloaded, incase I want to download it to.
Yet, obviously these caches will have to be legal content, which means filtering out illegal content, which means they will be tracking everything I download, and thus, can force me to 1) pay more for this, 2) notify appropriate authorities, 3) limit my interaction with the rest of the world via the internet.
Although as stated in the article/summary its supposedly "temporary" but this means that ISP will have to start gathering massive amounts of storage, inevtiably making one ISP better at this than another, and hey fuck it, lets just have one ISP... and the internet just becomes Wikipedia.
I honestly can't see any benefit to this, it seems to just end up with steralization whichever way I look at it.
lol... whoops, I was off on a tangent thinking about ways it could have been deformed, and completely neglected the actual proposed age of the bone, just lumped "old" as in... I dunno, anything before steam locomotives apparently.
But... "The fossil-a large wing bone called the humerus"... could it not be just as likely that it was simply a mutated form of a known parrot that was around at that time (of which the time is hard to define) and possibly died because of said deformaties? not exactly a new species.
Also, is it not possible that this bird was caged in some Captains quarters of a ship, and this was deformed because of that? Or even not a parrot at all?
Considering this is a solitary bone, I wouldnt be handing out any awards because someone thinks its a new species of a normally unusual habitat, its about as comedic as the skit it was named after.
Partially true, but thats a problem with humans in general, not the format, or its implimentation into a application.
I have no trouble using 'Save As...' and 'Export', but alas I am also not the type to save documents as "New Document (1035).poo", but then again I always have "show extensions" and almost always manually type the *.xxx" on the file name.
If the original is saved accordingly, then modifications should save as that format by default, just new documents would save as *.ext
Plus, if its really that big of a deal, then it should be specified that the needed format be specifically *.odf and its up to the person creating the document to make sure of that, otherwise [insert appropriate consequence].
Im not against Microsoft (or any software developer) having their own format, even if its the default format, however, I think that 1) ODF should be left alone (no EEE) if added to a Microsoft product, and 2) that they supply a converter (as lossless as possible) that can convert both ways, from ODF, and to ODF.
Likewise, im glad to hear them admit it, but not as glad as I would be to hear that they are dropping OOXML.
One of the few times I can say that without rolling my eyes... im pretty sure that its something similar to MSN Messenger only using IE for e-mail, cause Windows (currently) comes with IE (basically manditory) but I dont think OSX comes with Safari as imbedded (I dont use OSX, what do I know?), so its sort of "making sure" that it has its appropriate buddy applications... that way people can't bitch when iTunes fucks up trying to launch/view a certain webpage: "well, if you had Safari installed it woulda worked"...
Granted the claus is purchases less than $10,000, so excluding distributors and such, wouldnt effect your average person, but there are a lot of things that are more than $10,000 that are not housing, and may not even be ample collateral as mortgage, such as art.
But, that doesnt mean it wont change, silently in a year, dropped down to $5,000, then $1,000 till it is bags of chips...
And then "search and seizure"...
"according to your record at the local grocery store, it appears that you have purchased a bag of chips recently, we have to search your house for said bag of chips to make sure it is still in accordance to the producers desired purpose, aswell as search through the rest of your house to make sure there are no conflicting products, such as Heinz Ketchup, which is not a subsidiary of Lays... Oh what do we have here? You'll have to come with me."
yadda yadda, ok so conspiratory sure, but I still find it odd that a Mortgage related bill applies to anything outside of a mortgage related transaction, unless as I said, everything is considered a loan now.
Does that work? I know the definition of "mortgage" is pretty broad, and I guess technically money is collateral, but doesnt this mean that all products are now just loaned to you, you no longer actually own anything you buy? next will there be property tax on bags of chips? or your cupboard space?
meh, excuse me... I just found it amusing... "VIA Debuts Mini-ITX 2.0"... and its just some 30 minute 3D model...
Back on topic though, looks pretty kickass, if only it came with more PCIe slots, even just one more would do... 6.75"x6.75"... 3 of them could fit in the space your average keybaord takes (minus PSU)
You're wrong, unless of course your into the whole buy now wait 2 weeks, sell for 101%...
Gaming is HUGE, Linux is gaining every day, as far as I see it they can't go wrong here, because its not like its Linux only, it still supports Windows, they probably hired one or 2 people to code the Linux drivers... so what, no real loss there, and if they created their own little open-source driver thing it would be no loss at all really, and I think its fairly safe to say that Linux isn't going anywhere, and will be increasing the market share consistently for years to come...
They are creating the demand (in part) now we just have to wait for the supply (the game devs)...
Boycotting Apple (et al), would make Apple and other like-companies pay attention and probably be a little less likely to follow their trend. Once large companies start showing a decline in revenue, and thus cant afford to buy the next congressman, the congressman pays attention, etc, etc... etc.
Granted it would take a lot of boycotting, and some girlcotting too, but... the idea still works...
From what i understand, the advantage is that distributions that are (or try to be) 100% "Open Source" can now add this to their list.
Ontop of that, it means that anyone and their dog can dig through it, and maybe even improve on it, plus being able to make better java applications knowing exactly whats going on...
Oh, and as for blocking flash... you can easily use your Firewall to block a certain IP/DNS that distributes Flash based Ads on a specific (black list) basis, there are a lot of things you may need/want to have Flash enabled for...
Yes, but say perhaps some malicious attacker used a vulnerability in something to enable something else, even if they still used typical FTP/HTTP ports you'd (should) notice if there is a bunch of traffic and all you are using is Pidgin or something.
"I thought,... chances are a linux box doesnt need a firewall"
Firewalls arent always used just for inbound attacks, what about using it as an adblocker, or maybe you only want certain computers in a network to communicate, or maybe you are just a little overly paranoid...
Besides, as Linux popularity grows, it will necessitate the need for more firewalls/security, especially with recent blunders with Flash, et al, there will be more of those aswell...
Well as of right now (see posting time), it has 2440 Peers, 200 or so of which im connected to, and 150 Seeds, but only 20 connected. Going at about 180 down, 35 up (limited, cause my upload is only 512kbits)
Grew by about 250 peers, just while typing that...
Bitch at them, depending on if they are watching you are not, and what you normally use BT for, at least in this case you can legitimately bitch because its legal, then call again from your cell, then from a friends place, etc...
But thats missing details, such as do the desktop and laptop have the same amount, and same type of RAM? and is there an equal amount of free RAM? are the page/swapfiles/partitions the same size, are they running the same OS with the same additional software, etc.
FF3 on mine uses about 80% of what FF2 used for the same things, for instance FF2 on start-up, used about 35 to 40 MB's of RAM, but FF3 uses 26MB's, and likewise, FF3 is about 20% quicker in most things, which I find more important than how much RAM it uses...
However, I still prefer Opera, which is actually using 140MB's right now with only this one page open, but... its been open for about a week continuously since 9.5 was released, if I figure out how to minimize FireFox to the systray (im on Windows currently) then I could test that aswell...
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I'm not sure what you mean by "proper" but ive never had any problems with GMail on Opera.
(waits for FireFox to load)
Ok, so the only differences I found were:
Opera just has the [Loading...] box, whereas FireFox has the username@gmail.com with a progress bar...
second, the (select all / none / etc) appears above the [Archive/Report Spam/Delete] buttons at the bottom of the page, but Opera has it underneath like it is at the top of the email list...
FF3 Vs. Opera 9.51
Yes... quite obviously, that's why AMD + ATI, and Intel has their own Graphics stuff, VIA, etc.
Given the power that can be crammed into millimeters of space, may as well combine them, eventually your entire "PC" will be the size of the average processor is now, which just aren't there yet, so there are some naysayers used to older tech, and the junkies waiting for the next best thing.
Which, is both exciting and scary, welcomed and feared... but its just interesting right now like watching two planets collide.
Yeah, the ISP usually has a meter, but like Plasmacutter said, you trust it based on what?
And yes, most Modems, and also Routers have some sort of tracking... my modem doesn't however (Motorola SB5101), only various statistics about the signal/frequency/channels/Hz/etc...
And my router (D-Link EBR-2310) has WAN and LAN packet count, however does not say anything about the size of the packets.
Granted both are cheap pieces of shit, but so are most for home use...
And your OS can track it to some degree aswell, but what if you restart and forgot to write the last amount down?
But, I was just saying, how do you know that what you have sent and received is only what was necessary? it could easily be fudged intentionally, inadvertently by poor hardware, etc, or by miscalculations on any one of those steps. It's not accurate enough to really base a service on, at least not so strictly 12 GBs Maximum, it's like charging telephone calls per syllable, it would be an approximation because of different languages, accents, etc.
Basically exactly what it sounds like... its a real-time physics calcuating engine.
Used in games for things like shooting the limbs off of creatures, or even wind on trees, or water...
Likewise for other 3D applications, im not sure how extensive it is, or what its limitations are, but im looking forward to it, and more because calculating physic type things on most 3D software takes a lot of CPU power, so if the GPU can handle that, that takes a great load of the main CPU. (from what I would assume)
Yeah I'm aware of that, and I agree completely, the problem is can you actually see an ISP (outside of smaller, barely making a profit, looking for clientele please join us ISPs) doing that so honestly?
That was sort of my point, in the immediate conclusion it seems like a great idea, but it gives far too much power to the ISP, or even more power to the government to control what the ISP can do.
It will make sponsored content (Windows Update, Fox News, etc) the primary purpose of the cache after awhile, it is a business after all.
People without the money to pay ISPs or Governors, or whatever to get their content approved for cache, will be on this lesser accessed, slower WWW, making it a pain to get real information or media, and since people are fundamentally lazy, they will inevitably give in, and just go with "what works, right now!"
Curious, how do you know you have downloaded (and/or uploaded) 12GBs?
I mean I doubt you grab the calculator everytime you download a file, or a webpage is finished loading... They could even be inserting corrupt packets, and including that in the 12GB total, or what about ICMP, Ping, DNS's lookups... surely thats included aswell, which is probably in at least the 10's probably the hundreds of MB's after 12GB's...
"no no, see this graph? says there it was 12 GBs"
Ive always gone for the DL/UL limited ISP's cause then as slow as it may (or may not) be, I know that im getting what I can get in a given amount of time... including overhead, and corruption.
Ok so, my ISP (theoretically) wants to keep the data my neighbour has downloaded, incase I want to download it to.
Yet, obviously these caches will have to be legal content, which means filtering out illegal content, which means they will be tracking everything I download, and thus, can force me to 1) pay more for this, 2) notify appropriate authorities, 3) limit my interaction with the rest of the world via the internet.
Although as stated in the article/summary its supposedly "temporary" but this means that ISP will have to start gathering massive amounts of storage, inevtiably making one ISP better at this than another, and hey fuck it, lets just have one ISP... and the internet just becomes Wikipedia.
I honestly can't see any benefit to this, it seems to just end up with steralization whichever way I look at it.
lol... whoops, I was off on a tangent thinking about ways it could have been deformed, and completely neglected the actual proposed age of the bone, just lumped "old" as in... I dunno, anything before steam locomotives apparently.
But... "The fossil-a large wing bone called the humerus"... could it not be just as likely that it was simply a mutated form of a known parrot that was around at that time (of which the time is hard to define) and possibly died because of said deformaties? not exactly a new species.
Also, is it not possible that this bird was caged in some Captains quarters of a ship, and this was deformed because of that? Or even not a parrot at all?
Considering this is a solitary bone, I wouldnt be handing out any awards because someone thinks its a new species of a normally unusual habitat, its about as comedic as the skit it was named after.
Partially true, but thats a problem with humans in general, not the format, or its implimentation into a application.
I have no trouble using 'Save As...' and 'Export', but alas I am also not the type to save documents as "New Document (1035).poo", but then again I always have "show extensions" and almost always manually type the *.xxx" on the file name.
If the original is saved accordingly, then modifications should save as that format by default, just new documents would save as *.ext
Plus, if its really that big of a deal, then it should be specified that the needed format be specifically *.odf and its up to the person creating the document to make sure of that, otherwise [insert appropriate consequence].
Im not against Microsoft (or any software developer) having their own format, even if its the default format, however, I think that 1) ODF should be left alone (no EEE) if added to a Microsoft product, and 2) that they supply a converter (as lossless as possible) that can convert both ways, from ODF, and to ODF.
Likewise, im glad to hear them admit it, but not as glad as I would be to hear that they are dropping OOXML.
No no, thats no bug, its a feature...
One of the few times I can say that without rolling my eyes... im pretty sure that its something similar to MSN Messenger only using IE for e-mail, cause Windows (currently) comes with IE (basically manditory) but I dont think OSX comes with Safari as imbedded (I dont use OSX, what do I know?), so its sort of "making sure" that it has its appropriate buddy applications... that way people can't bitch when iTunes fucks up trying to launch/view a certain webpage: "well, if you had Safari installed it woulda worked"...
Yeah, funny, but maybe not that far off...
Granted the claus is purchases less than $10,000, so excluding distributors and such, wouldnt effect your average person, but there are a lot of things that are more than $10,000 that are not housing, and may not even be ample collateral as mortgage, such as art.
But, that doesnt mean it wont change, silently in a year, dropped down to $5,000, then $1,000 till it is bags of chips...
And then "search and seizure"...
"according to your record at the local grocery store, it appears that you have purchased a bag of chips recently, we have to search your house for said bag of chips to make sure it is still in accordance to the producers desired purpose, aswell as search through the rest of your house to make sure there are no conflicting products, such as Heinz Ketchup, which is not a subsidiary of Lays... Oh what do we have here? You'll have to come with me."
yadda yadda, ok so conspiratory sure, but I still find it odd that a Mortgage related bill applies to anything outside of a mortgage related transaction, unless as I said, everything is considered a loan now.
Does that work? I know the definition of "mortgage" is pretty broad, and I guess technically money is collateral, but doesnt this mean that all products are now just loaned to you, you no longer actually own anything you buy? next will there be property tax on bags of chips? or your cupboard space?
Are they all 3D renderings?
meh, excuse me... I just found it amusing... "VIA Debuts Mini-ITX 2.0"... and its just some 30 minute 3D model...
Back on topic though, looks pretty kickass, if only it came with more PCIe slots, even just one more would do... 6.75"x6.75"... 3 of them could fit in the space your average keybaord takes (minus PSU)
You're wrong, unless of course your into the whole buy now wait 2 weeks, sell for 101%...
Gaming is HUGE, Linux is gaining every day, as far as I see it they can't go wrong here, because its not like its Linux only, it still supports Windows, they probably hired one or 2 people to code the Linux drivers... so what, no real loss there, and if they created their own little open-source driver thing it would be no loss at all really, and I think its fairly safe to say that Linux isn't going anywhere, and will be increasing the market share consistently for years to come...
They are creating the demand (in part) now we just have to wait for the supply (the game devs)...
What the hell are you babeling about?
Boycotting Apple (et al), would make Apple and other like-companies pay attention and probably be a little less likely to follow their trend. Once large companies start showing a decline in revenue, and thus cant afford to buy the next congressman, the congressman pays attention, etc, etc... etc.
Granted it would take a lot of boycotting, and some girlcotting too, but... the idea still works...
No he is... I tased him!
From what i understand, the advantage is that distributions that are (or try to be) 100% "Open Source" can now add this to their list.
Ontop of that, it means that anyone and their dog can dig through it, and maybe even improve on it, plus being able to make better java applications knowing exactly whats going on...
Oh, and as for blocking flash... you can easily use your Firewall to block a certain IP/DNS that distributes Flash based Ads on a specific (black list) basis, there are a lot of things you may need/want to have Flash enabled for...
Yes, but say perhaps some malicious attacker used a vulnerability in something to enable something else, even if they still used typical FTP/HTTP ports you'd (should) notice if there is a bunch of traffic and all you are using is Pidgin or something.
"I thought, ... chances are a linux box doesnt need a firewall"
Firewalls arent always used just for inbound attacks, what about using it as an adblocker, or maybe you only want certain computers in a network to communicate, or maybe you are just a little overly paranoid...
Besides, as Linux popularity grows, it will necessitate the need for more firewalls/security, especially with recent blunders with Flash, et al, there will be more of those aswell...
Well as of right now (see posting time), it has 2440 Peers, 200 or so of which im connected to, and 150 Seeds, but only 20 connected.
Going at about 180 down, 35 up (limited, cause my upload is only 512kbits)
Grew by about 250 peers, just while typing that...
Bitch at them, depending on if they are watching you are not, and what you normally use BT for, at least in this case you can legitimately bitch because its legal, then call again from your cell, then from a friends place, etc...
And for curiosity sake, which ISP?
But thats missing details, such as do the desktop and laptop have the same amount, and same type of RAM? and is there an equal amount of free RAM? are the page/swapfiles/partitions the same size, are they running the same OS with the same additional software, etc.
FF3 on mine uses about 80% of what FF2 used for the same things, for instance FF2 on start-up, used about 35 to 40 MB's of RAM, but FF3 uses 26MB's, and likewise, FF3 is about 20% quicker in most things, which I find more important than how much RAM it uses...
However, I still prefer Opera, which is actually using 140MB's right now with only this one page open, but... its been open for about a week continuously since 9.5 was released, if I figure out how to minimize FireFox to the systray (im on Windows currently) then I could test that aswell...