Let us examine the stresses on the various parts and assess rebuilding. The main engine takes all the heat and thrust of the launch. How much metal fatigue occurs? The extreme vibration of launch bends the metal back and forth a small amount. How much metal/ceramic has been burned off various surfaces of the engine?. Electronics, probably can be used again. Sensors might need replacement. Tanks, piping and pumps all need to be tested for metal fatigue in the launch environment. We might find tanks etc are good for one launch, but not two, same for all manner of parts. I am not sure what sort of assessment process Ariane went through before thet decided it was not economic to recycle. The data might be online.
That said, we can certainly re-use the launch vehicle, but the tests and assessment and replacement of the parts too worn by flame and fatigue may well cost more than a newly made vehicle.
That's great - you're clearly capable of comprehending the sources I link to. Now as soon as you actually come up with some statistics to back our original assertion, we can start to take you seriously.
It looks as if you are part of the problem, not part of the solution - anyone agree?
“As at January 1, 2014, the upper end of the salary range for Police Constables increased to $98,783 (including retention pay), as a result of the 2011 to 2014 collective agreement increases,” it states. Premium pay is the result of court attendance, overtime, and call backs for various reasons. The force says it has reduced premium pay of the last few years, but some is unavoidable. Collective agreements are fixed by the board, police spokesman Mark Pugash noted.
and then add to that, on top of the base
Family Health Care Plan,
Family Dental Plan,
Vision/Hearing Care,
Pay Direct Pharmaceutical Card,
Life Insurance,
Paid Vacation,
On-site fitness facilities,
Access to the Employee Credit Union,
Pension Plan (OMERS),
Education Reimbursement (up to 50% tuition reimbursement for job related courses),
Employee and Family Assistance Program,
Parental/Maternity Leave.
Not a lie, the benefits bring the average over the $100K. That paid duty is as police officers, at police officer paid duty wage rates = far higher than security types make. The time will come when the various unions are brought back to earth in their inflated wages. 40-50 years of getting 2-3% real wage increases AND getting an inflation indexed increase has made all city/state/federal unions get far ahead of the ordinary worker, and they are parasitic on the workers. Governments make nothing = parasitic. And yet the common worker pays this.
The UAW/CAW and other manufacturing unions have killed off most manufacturing jobs. These unions feel that state/city/federal unions = immune to greed. We are getting to the point where the unions are killing us all.
So we all unionize, and we all get the same wages - right?
Unions do not want that, as happened in Australia. Unions want to live off the back of others
I think iPhones are treated like bicycles -- something that there just are not the resources for, even if the purported thief is nailed down to a location.
As a devil's advocate, US police are woefully underfunded. They might get a bunch of SWAT stuff from the government, but actual basic policing, substations, and other items needed to process all but murders and attempted murders are not funded. Most cities are far more interested in making sure the professional sport league has the latest and greatest stadium so they won't move to a city that would. So, blame the city councils that deny adequate funding to city services, not the people who have to decide between catching the perps from a drive-by shooting versus some guy who lost his cellphone.
Police forces have become infected by unionism combined with lawyerism. The unionism has ramped uo wages by 5-6% (with inflation included at 3%) for the past 40 years. Now in Toronto most police collect over $100,000 wages and benefits, some as much as $150,000. The lawyerism has also increased the documentary load on officers as well as the evidentiary load to the point that the number of cases handled per officer has declined at about 3-4% per year. Too few police, paid too much, too little time = "Case Triage" - a strong need to cull the caseload by tossing cases. They also must try to look as if they are working hard, so they go after a lof ow "low hanging fruit", parking tickets, stop signs, red lights and the like that are low risk compared to facing armed crack dealers - that might hurt...
Not only did Jobs engage in dirty deals as a businessman, but back in the 1970s he was a very active phone phreaker as well.
Suppression of "Prior Art" I recall Apple trying to steal the Xerox PARC GUI and patent it and claim is as their own. If this is their pattern, how many undiscovered thefts/fraud has Apple/Job been involved in?
ANy company sued by Apple should dig deeply to find the hidden gems that will skewer Apple.
Oh Lah-de Dah, the peacocks are on display... What a crock all this fashion watch stuff is. They lack precision and are just latter day monuments to antiquity...
This sort of oppression happens all the time, and is the underlying reason why bullied kids occasionally take matters into their own hans, sometimes with fatal results when gun are involved. Had proper attention been paid to bullied kids how many lives would have been save over the years? I was bullied in high school, so I whacked the bully with a broom handle on the head = problem solved as he started crying.
But they have found a way to live free, and there are many of them? So their 'teachings' are a burden society bears unwillingly, but bears it it does even benign and passive burdens are a cost to society - excessive?
Yes, a friend of mine was fired back in 1962 for screwing a female student of 16. She came and sat in the front row with no panties and let him have a look, but in such a way that others were unaware. They soon screwed, he was fired they got married, but she was so hypersexual that she had lovers up. I used to visit him and hear the goings on. He did not complain. He was a Jewish nerd and the left over sex was enough for him.
I would like to see the per capita stats on this. Teachers outnumber priests 10 to one.Priests went after boy. Teachers in general had consexual sex with usually girl who wanted higher marks, or were hypersexual. I met one of those, it was fun while is lasted, but I could not have sex 2-3 times per day 7 days per week, which she wanted. I would not tolerate the infidelity, so stopped calling her.
Priests were true predators, and I place forced homosexual predation by a priest as more serious than consensual sex by teachers. I am sure a small number of the boys were also gay, so that portion was consensual.
I knew this when I was 10, and that was in 1950, my total lack of belief in the mumbo jumbo of ALL religion began then and became a certainty soon after that. Family was catholic with all trappings, control, coercion etc....water off a ducks back. Religion wants a closed ecology - you get your words from the priests, work hard and pray and, oh yes, give me money.
There is no difference between scientology, islam, catholicism or bantu spirit jabber - they are all mechanisms to live free and prosper at the behest of others.
I want the tax exemptions for reiligions stopped, I want them taxed, kick them in the ass. And on top of that they all seem to thrive on child molestation. It is no joke the way Giles portrays clerics grinning after alter boys - many lives were harmed and criminals protected.
It is low profit to the drivers and newly bought medallion holders. Legacy medallions = cash cows, radio services = cash cows.
Most cab companies are filled with legacy medaiilions, although they buy a few to maintain share. The biggest racket is the casuals, who drive for a week and go away because they hate it. Usually their hours are logged as a family membersor friends , and after a while(15-20 years) = free medallion. A company will have a few people they can drop driven hours onto, to add to the hours they drive for real. Back in the 60's quite a number did this
AFter WW2, when tens of thousand of men were demobbed, they had ARmy skills,- Shoot - explode -shell, and almost all were taught to drive. So they would get a car and offer rides for a fee, from these our cab companies evolved. There were more cars and drivers than there were passengers to support them, as a result little walled gardens of taxi rights appeared. As time wen by radio dispatch came along, and that was another little walled garden.
Now we have an iphone ap = radio dispatch is now dead, but still walking around and tryint to create barriers to alternate dispatch methods, such as the web and iphones. Now along comes these cars, web booked via iphone ap. The very turf beneath the feet of the taxi business and radio dispatch business is sinking.
Radio dispatchers, the greedy little fucks, want $400-$600 per month, the plate ownjers want $3000 per month to rent a plated cab. They will fight and bribe all the politicians in city hall to keep their little, very very very high profit turfs.
These turfs need to die, these turfs live of the back of the cab driver and the public. Get rid if these little turfs and drivers will make more and riders pay less.
We need to free this market, griffin is wrong, this is not a free marker, it is little absolute monopolies(turfs or fiefs) that screw us all.
At the heart of it is a guy who owns a car, then he needs a radio/web system to fields calls from clients and find the best cab. A simple web app, supplemented by a call center would work fine. What we have is guys who own plates who rent them for a few thousand a month, and guys who own radio despatch systems who who also want a lot. These are the guys who whine that their little cash cow would get killed. It is no secret that taxi rates are sky high, these middle men are the problem
The USA does not have a functional health service for all it's people. As a result a large number of desperate people clutch at the weak straws of holistic medicine because medicine that worked is priced beyond their reach. Holistic medicine is usually made of very low cost components, has zero efficacy, and is often dangerous to the user either as a direct toxic procedure or because it diverts a person from effective meds. That said, incurable illnesses kill you no matter what you do.
The USA has an effective medical system for those who can pay for it, via cash or insurance. The touted claim that hospitals will provide services for those who cannot pay as helper of last resort is true in a narrow sense that you will be given palliative aid as you die after the tests and early work to diagnose and perhaps to save you were blocked by your economic situation. Even the so-called Obama reforms are a poor start, but they are a start, and they might in time reach a system as good as the French, German, Canadian, or even the Cuban system, as measured by age at death stats. I figure better health care makes you live longer, so longevity assesses systems. The USA has many different populations, white, black, fat and skinny, Jewish, Christian, men and women, etc. etc., and all have their own longevity tables. Some are quite bad, like poor black and South. Rich northern educated Jewish white men do better.
But overlaying this is the undeniable fact that universal health care raises the longevity chart of every group, not just saying the USA = best, the USA is the most costly, which means Americans are the most cheated group on earth by their medical services, because all the others get more bang for their buck - or Kroner or whatever.
. These guys are thieves and or cheating the system. We have laws that people can not wear masks in public, which we except at Halloween, why should we have masked cars. This would catch guys with 50 parking tags unpaid - towed to pound, and I can go on. Should we allow meta-tracking? I think they should store meta tagged data and ask a judge if they can inspect the meta-data for a location and time period to follow that car, without any ID at that time? This would be useful in hit and runs, robberies, car thefts. All it will do is give a partial set of data that shows what pints the car had passed for the time mentioned, after the judge has said OK, no data voyeurs allowed to follow their girlfriends etc.
You will be pleased to know that as online education venues like MIT Academy (http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/) and Khan Academy (https://www.khanacademy.org/) advance, they leave PC behind, because the color of a man's or woman's skin is not evident in keyclicks, and more and more people of all races and tribes are getting an education in whatever path they choose and whatever level their ability allows.
That said, some third world countries have bad access, however, DVDs and hard drives with entire segments of these courses rendered into memory(it takes banks and banks of drives to hold them all) are being transported to these areas where web centers help. I would like to see broadband come to Africa.
BTW, the way Arabs attack whatever is Jewish, even as it becomes theirs is much like the antipathy black students have to other black students who "go whitey"
Again you miss the fact that I spoke of Africa, not within the USA. It has been well documented that white study patterns are looked upon as bad. Now this might be because they have been caught up in the hatred of pushy white religions who are also hated in many areas. Often the true degree of hatred for each aspect can not be dissected - they are all hated.
It is a strange fact that creams that bleach the skin are hot sellers on Africa and at the same time white infrastructure is decried and destroyed. This reminds me of the Arabs who destroy any Jewish business they take over instead of staffing it with Arabs and making $$.
Yes, I agree. I was too general. The problems I spoke of are country specific, but there are several of them. A friend of mine was a prof in Zimbabwe, prior to the advent of black corrupt rule. He told me stories and why he eventually became an expat. That crooked ruler is one whereof I speak. The breakdown of society by men with guns who want kids to project their power is also a big problem. Those kids get ruined for any normal life, unlimited booze, hookers and drugs while young with a gun tends to do that to you - sort of "the Lord of the Flies - with added guns"
So that.1% fellow blackfooted persecuted you? Or the white rednecks.
I was referring the the sad fact of black males persecuting other black males who show any ability to study, read etc. In some areas there is enough teacher presence in halls, yards and stairwells to curtail this bullying in school. Many places have had wages taken so high that there is insufficient teacher presence in halls, yards and stairwells that bullying flourishes in these areas, and this bullying chills many black students into mediocrity. The really smart ones hang back and keep their own counsel and are able to do well in school. I think this is part of the problem in Africa, working hard, studying are seen as bad white traits.
Actually, black culture penalizes anyone black who allows his/her intelligence to get them ahead. Any child who does so is beaten and bullied by the other black kids, so they learn to hide their abilities and blend in. Some emerge and excell, but sadly, too many are lost to the lifestyle. As a retired teacher, I have seen this and it is hard to eliminate, and if you try, it is risky.
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Yes, it takes a full test, in addition, the extra weight of building it to soft land reduces the performance of the system.
Let us examine the stresses on the various parts and assess rebuilding.
The main engine takes all the heat and thrust of the launch. How much metal fatigue occurs? The extreme vibration of launch bends the metal back and forth a small amount. How much metal/ceramic has been burned off various surfaces of the engine?.
Electronics, probably can be used again. Sensors might need replacement. Tanks, piping and pumps all need to be tested for metal fatigue in the launch environment. We might find tanks etc are good for one launch, but not two, same for all manner of parts.
I am not sure what sort of assessment process Ariane went through before thet decided it was not economic to recycle. The data might be online.
That said, we can certainly re-use the launch vehicle, but the tests and assessment and replacement of the parts too worn by flame and fatigue may well cost more than a newly made vehicle.
That's great - you're clearly capable of comprehending the sources I link to. Now as soon as you actually come up with some statistics to back our original assertion, we can start to take you seriously.
It looks as if you are part of the problem, not part of the solution - anyone agree?
“As at January 1, 2014, the upper end of the salary range for Police Constables increased to $98,783 (including retention pay), as a result of the 2011 to 2014 collective agreement increases,” it states. Premium pay is the result of court attendance, overtime, and call backs for various reasons. The force says it has reduced premium pay of the last few years, but some is unavoidable. Collective agreements are fixed by the board, police spokesman Mark Pugash noted.
and then add to that, on top of the base
Family Health Care Plan,
Family Dental Plan,
Vision/Hearing Care,
Pay Direct Pharmaceutical Card,
Life Insurance,
Paid Vacation,
On-site fitness facilities,
Access to the Employee Credit Union,
Pension Plan (OMERS),
Education Reimbursement (up to 50% tuition reimbursement for job related courses),
Employee and Family Assistance Program,
Parental/Maternity Leave.
Not a lie, the benefits bring the average over the $100K. That paid duty is as police officers, at police officer paid duty wage rates = far higher than security types make.
The time will come when the various unions are brought back to earth in their inflated wages. 40-50 years of getting 2-3% real wage increases AND getting an inflation indexed increase has made all city/state/federal unions get far ahead of the ordinary worker, and they are parasitic on the workers. Governments make nothing = parasitic.
And yet the common worker pays this.
The UAW/CAW and other manufacturing unions have killed off most manufacturing jobs. These unions feel that state/city/federal unions = immune to greed.
We are getting to the point where the unions are killing us all.
So we all unionize, and we all get the same wages - right?
Unions do not want that, as happened in Australia. Unions want to live off the back of others
I think iPhones are treated like bicycles -- something that there just are not the resources for, even if the purported thief is nailed down to a location.
As a devil's advocate, US police are woefully underfunded. They might get a bunch of SWAT stuff from the government, but actual basic policing, substations, and other items needed to process all but murders and attempted murders are not funded. Most cities are far more interested in making sure the professional sport league has the latest and greatest stadium so they won't move to a city that would. So, blame the city councils that deny adequate funding to city services, not the people who have to decide between catching the perps from a drive-by shooting versus some guy who lost his cellphone.
Police forces have become infected by unionism combined with lawyerism. The unionism has ramped uo wages by 5-6% (with inflation included at 3%) for the past 40 years. Now in Toronto most police collect over $100,000 wages and benefits, some as much as $150,000.
The lawyerism has also increased the documentary load on officers as well as the evidentiary load to the point that the number of cases handled per officer has declined at about 3-4% per year.
Too few police, paid too much, too little time = "Case Triage" - a strong need to cull the caseload by tossing cases. They also must try to look as if they are working hard, so they go after a lof ow "low hanging fruit", parking tickets, stop signs, red lights and the like that are low risk compared to facing armed crack dealers - that might hurt...
Not only did Jobs engage in dirty deals as a businessman, but back in the 1970s he was a very active phone phreaker as well.
Suppression of "Prior Art" I recall Apple trying to steal the Xerox PARC GUI and patent it and claim is as their own.
If this is their pattern, how many undiscovered thefts/fraud has Apple/Job been involved in?
ANy company sued by Apple should dig deeply to find the hidden gems that will skewer Apple.
Oh Lah-de Dah, the peacocks are on display...
What a crock all this fashion watch stuff is.
They lack precision and are just latter day monuments to antiquity...
This sort of oppression happens all the time, and is the underlying reason why bullied kids occasionally take matters into their own hans, sometimes with fatal results when gun are involved.
Had proper attention been paid to bullied kids how many lives would have been save over the years?
I was bullied in high school, so I whacked the bully with a broom handle on the head = problem solved as he started crying.
But they have found a way to live free, and there are many of them? So their 'teachings' are a burden society bears unwillingly, but bears it it does even benign and passive burdens are a cost to society - excessive?
Yes, a friend of mine was fired back in 1962 for screwing a female student of 16. She came and sat in the front row with no panties and let him have a look, but in such a way that others were unaware. They soon screwed, he was fired they got married, but she was so hypersexual that she had lovers up. I used to visit him and hear the goings on. He did not complain. He was a Jewish nerd and the left over sex was enough for him.
I would like to see the per capita stats on this. Teachers outnumber priests 10 to one.Priests went after boy. Teachers in general had consexual sex with usually girl who wanted higher marks, or were hypersexual. I met one of those, it was fun while is lasted, but I could not have sex 2-3 times per day 7 days per week, which she wanted. I would not tolerate the infidelity, so stopped calling her.
Priests were true predators, and I place forced homosexual predation by a priest as more serious than consensual sex by teachers. I am sure a small number of the boys were also gay, so that portion was consensual.
I knew this when I was 10, and that was in 1950, my total lack of belief in the mumbo jumbo of ALL religion began then and became a certainty soon after that. Family was catholic with all trappings, control, coercion etc....water off a ducks back.
Religion wants a closed ecology - you get your words from the priests, work hard and pray and, oh yes, give me money.
There is no difference between scientology, islam, catholicism or bantu spirit jabber - they are all mechanisms to live free and prosper at the behest of others.
I want the tax exemptions for reiligions stopped, I want them taxed, kick them in the ass.
And on top of that they all seem to thrive on child molestation. It is no joke the way Giles portrays clerics grinning after alter boys - many lives were harmed and criminals protected.
It is low profit to the drivers and newly bought medallion holders.
Legacy medallions = cash cows, radio services = cash cows.
Most cab companies are filled with legacy medaiilions, although they buy a few to maintain share.
The biggest racket is the casuals, who drive for a week and go away because they hate it. Usually their hours are logged as a family membersor friends , and after a while(15-20 years) = free medallion. A company will have a few people they can drop driven hours onto, to add to the hours they drive for real.
Back in the 60's quite a number did this
Yes, there are several models. In Toronto they have a number of radio dispatchers and cab fleets.
The small get forced out
AFter WW2, when tens of thousand of men were demobbed, they had ARmy skills,- Shoot - explode -shell, and almost all were taught to drive.
So they would get a car and offer rides for a fee, from these our cab companies evolved.
There were more cars and drivers than there were passengers to support them, as a result little walled gardens of taxi rights appeared. As time wen by radio dispatch came along, and that was another little walled garden.
Now we have an iphone ap = radio dispatch is now dead, but still walking around and tryint to create barriers to alternate dispatch methods, such as the web and iphones.
Now along comes these cars, web booked via iphone ap.
The very turf beneath the feet of the taxi business and radio dispatch business is sinking.
Radio dispatchers, the greedy little fucks, want $400-$600 per month, the plate ownjers want $3000 per month to rent a plated cab.
They will fight and bribe all the politicians in city hall to keep their little, very very very high profit turfs.
These turfs need to die, these turfs live of the back of the cab driver and the public. Get rid if these little turfs and drivers will make more and riders pay less.
We need to free this market, griffin is wrong, this is not a free marker, it is little absolute monopolies(turfs or fiefs) that screw us all.
At the heart of it is a guy who owns a car, then he needs a radio/web system to fields calls from clients and find the best cab. A simple web app, supplemented by a call center would work fine.
What we have is guys who own plates who rent them for a few thousand a month, and guys who own radio despatch systems who who also want a lot. These are the guys who whine that their little cash cow would get killed. It is no secret that taxi rates are sky high, these middle men are the problem
The USA does not have a functional health service for all it's people. As a result a large number of desperate people clutch at the weak straws of holistic medicine because medicine that worked is priced beyond their reach. Holistic medicine is usually made of very low cost components, has zero efficacy, and is often dangerous to the user either as a direct toxic procedure or because it diverts a person from effective meds. That said, incurable illnesses kill you no matter what you do.
The USA has an effective medical system for those who can pay for it, via cash or insurance. The touted claim that hospitals will provide services for those who cannot pay as helper of last resort is true in a narrow sense that you will be given palliative aid as you die after the tests and early work to diagnose and perhaps to save you were blocked by your economic situation. Even the so-called Obama reforms are a poor start, but they are a start, and they might in time reach a system as good as the French, German, Canadian, or even the Cuban system, as measured by age at death stats. I figure better health care makes you live longer, so longevity assesses systems. The USA has many different populations, white, black, fat and skinny, Jewish, Christian, men and women, etc. etc., and all have their own longevity tables. Some are quite bad, like poor black and South. Rich northern educated Jewish white men do better.
But overlaying this is the undeniable fact that universal health care raises the longevity chart of every group, not just saying the USA = best, the USA is the most costly, which means Americans are the most cheated group on earth by their medical services, because all the others get more bang for their buck - or Kroner or whatever.
. These guys are thieves and or cheating the system. We have laws that people can not wear masks in public, which we except at Halloween, why should we have masked cars.
This would catch guys with 50 parking tags unpaid - towed to pound, and I can go on.
Should we allow meta-tracking? I think they should store meta tagged data and ask a judge if they can inspect the meta-data for a location and time period to follow that car, without any ID at that time?
This would be useful in hit and runs, robberies, car thefts. All it will do is give a partial set of data that shows what pints the car had passed for the time mentioned, after the judge has said OK, no data voyeurs allowed to follow their girlfriends etc.
?? Punish the studious exists in kids, but not as they get older, they outgrow it and are taught to not do it.
Are you so involved in hurling accusations of racism that you deem political correctness the new acme of rationality?
Ever hear of realpolitik?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R...
It seems to trump your PC attitudes.
You will be pleased to know that as online education venues like MIT Academy (http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/) and Khan Academy (https://www.khanacademy.org/) advance, they leave PC behind, because the color of a man's or woman's skin is not evident in keyclicks, and more and more people of all races and tribes are getting an education in whatever path they choose and whatever level their ability allows.
That said, some third world countries have bad access, however, DVDs and hard drives with entire segments of these courses rendered into memory(it takes banks and banks of drives to hold them all) are being transported to these areas where web centers help. I would like to see broadband come to Africa.
BTW, the way Arabs attack whatever is Jewish, even as it becomes theirs is much like the antipathy black students have to other black students who "go whitey"
Again you miss the fact that I spoke of Africa, not within the USA. It has been well documented that white study patterns are looked upon as bad. Now this might be because they have been caught up in the hatred of pushy white religions who are also hated in many areas. Often the true degree of hatred for each aspect can not be dissected - they are all hated.
It is a strange fact that creams that bleach the skin are hot sellers on Africa and at the same time white infrastructure is decried and destroyed. This reminds me of the Arabs who destroy any Jewish business they take over instead of staffing it with Arabs and making $$.
Yes, I agree. I was too general. The problems I spoke of are country specific, but there are several of them.
A friend of mine was a prof in Zimbabwe, prior to the advent of black corrupt rule. He told me stories and why he eventually became an expat.
That crooked ruler is one whereof I speak.
The breakdown of society by men with guns who want kids to project their power is also a big problem. Those kids get ruined for any normal life, unlimited booze, hookers and drugs while young with a gun tends to do that to you - sort of "the Lord of the Flies - with added guns"
Anti intellectualism arises from envy and greed
So that .1% fellow blackfooted persecuted you? Or the white rednecks.
I was referring the the sad fact of black males persecuting other black males who show any ability to study, read etc.
In some areas there is enough teacher presence in halls, yards and stairwells to curtail this bullying in school. Many places have had wages taken so high that there is insufficient teacher presence in halls, yards and stairwells that bullying flourishes in these areas, and this bullying chills many black students into mediocrity. The really smart ones hang back and keep their own counsel and are able to do well in school.
I think this is part of the problem in Africa, working hard, studying are seen as bad white traits.
Actually, black culture penalizes anyone black who allows his/her intelligence to get them ahead. Any child who does so is beaten and bullied by the other black kids, so they learn to hide their abilities and blend in. Some emerge and excell, but sadly, too many are lost to the lifestyle.
As a retired teacher, I have seen this and it is hard to eliminate, and if you try, it is risky.
http://www.symantec.com/connec...
The one I mean is the "fucking off position"
now - GO