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Death Wish Meets GPS: iPhone Theft Victims Confronting Perps
theodp (442580) writes "Thankfully, no one's gone full-Charles-Bronson yet, but the NY Times reports that victims of smartphone theft are using GPS to take the law into their own hands, paying visits to thieves' homes and demanding the return of their stolen phones. "The emergence of this kind of do-it-yourself justice," writes Ian Lovett, "has stirred worries among law enforcement officials that people are putting themselves in danger, taking disproportionate risks for the sake of an easily replaced item." And while hitting "Find My iPhone" can take you to a thief's doorstep, LAPD Cmdr. Andrew Smith urges resisting the impulse to do so. "It's just a phone," he said. "it's not worth losing your life over. Let police officers take care of it. We have backup, guns, radio, jackets — all that stuff civilians don't have.""
Yes, police have all that stuff. On the other hand, they don't give a shit about your iphone being stolen, and will likely never investigate.
Americans don't have guns? Or jackets? Really?
because as he said, it's just a phone. Not that confronting the perpetrator is a great idea, but don't expect the full CSI treatment when you report the theft.
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They forgot to list apathy.
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The reason people are taking this action is because law enforcement deprioritizes this kind of theft. Even thought you know exactly where the criminal is, law enforcement simply won't do anything because it's such a petty crime. Besides, they are busy busting actual criminals like drug addicts and speeders. However, the victims don't see it as a petty crime and since law enforcement won't do their jobs they do the job themselves. LAPD Cmdr. Smith, you say "Let police officers take care of it." I say, "Fine then, do your job since it's half done for you."
A friend of mine was recently mugged, on the doorstep of her home. While the police were in her house asking questions she pulled up the current location of her phone on her laptop. The police did not care. Did. Not. Care. For an hour her phone drifted around a park that was a known after-hours teenager hangout, while the officer asked inane questions. She fumed for weeks. Getting mugged was bad enough, but feeling like the police didn't really care, that all they wanted to do was get the report filled out, made her feel truly helpless.
If the police are unwilling to react to these thefts because they are low priority for them, they have to expect that citizens will have to take it into their own hands. People don't like someone else telling them their problems are trivial. People don't like feeling helpless. They need to believe that there is always something they can do.
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Let police officers take care of it. We have backup, guns, radio, jackets — all that stuff civilians don't have.""
What makes you think us lowly citizens do not have what you have and more.
Perhaps the victims didn't try the police first. But my experience with the police and small property thefts is that they don't feel it is worth their time.
When My vehicle was broken into a few years ago- fingerprints visible all over the window that had been pried open - they didn't even bother to take fingerprints. Clearly minor crimes are not on their priority list.
What should happen is you tell the police you have this program; show them some proof you own the phone; and they go retrieve the phone with the attitude that it is *probably* your phone but not definitely your phone until they hear the side of the people with the phone or see how those people react.
We also need to update our felony amounts. Stealing a phone really only warrants jail time- not prison time. The felony amounts are set too low and make a lot of crimes felonies that would not have been 50 years ago.
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it's not worth losing police life over. Let police officers pretend to take care of it. We have backup, guns, radio, jackets -- all that stuff civilians don't have. Like how civilians have an innate feeling of honesty and justice that cops don't have.
Fixed the for you. Also, COPS ARE CIVILIANS!! Stop pretending you're military.
Police cannot do anything.
They need a warrant to enter a home and they cannot get one.
oldhack: "Security is a waste of money until shit hits the fan. 5 minutes later, it becomes waste of money again. "
Didn't anybody forget that all subscription service devices need their subscription fee paid in order for the thing to work? iPhone's "teardown parts price" is not that high... what they're really making money on is the subsidy from the carriers, and the service agreements. Stolen iPhone will 1. Not work for the thieves, and 2. Work against them.
When you take your find my phone data to the cops and give them the GPS coordinates of the perp and/or phone the cops usually say "meh, so what." So often they are amazingly lazy when the hardest part is handed to them. Maybe someone would get more help if there was a donut shop on the way. They don't understand that not everyone has the cash to just buy a new phone.
Fortunately not all cops are such crooks but the good ones are out busting real criminals.
Then pray tell, how do you suggest we make police officers take care of it? That's kind of the problem here, isn't it? People are taking the law into their own hands because the police isn't doing it.
From apathy on the side of the police, that is.
If the police at least tried to get my possessions back, would I bother going myself? Hell no. As the article said, why risk it? That's the police's job, they not only have the training and equipment, they also have the backing of the law.
Vigilantes only emerge when the police drops the ball. Only when there is no other way to get justice, people will take justice into their own hands. That's why a state has to be careful to keep its laws and its law enforcement in sync with what their population considers just. People will only take the law into their own hands if you, as a government, fail.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
The cops sometimes can't be bothered to deal with what they perceive to be a petty, very low priority, crime, on the level with shoplifting, pickpocketting and purse snatching.
While the smartphone itself may be trivial to replace, all the information on one may not be, and there is the whole deal of some apps that let you save your password...
The police have said that it's completely acceptable, as they do nothing to stop it even when they have the exact, real-time location of the thief. Should we reinforce that by preventing citizens from cowering to law enforcement's threat of violence?
We have backup, guns, radio, jackets — all that stuff civilians don't have.
Except the will to actually use it. Recovering I-Phones don't get great media coverage or the adrenaline high that a drug-bust (or maybe an eviction notice).
Lets call it like it is, people don't trust police to take of these problems. After working with police officers a few times, too many of them are jerks. Not all of them, but enough.
We all know that the police generally don't put a high priority on retrieving lost smart phones. So, if someone ever absconds with my smart phone and I use the app that I have on it to track it down, I will simply call the local sheriff's office and tell them that I have located my phone, give them the address, and tell them that in 10 minutes I will be going in locked and loaded to retrieve it. That should give them sufficient time to prevent a more serious crime from taking place.
Lessee:
... Backup, Check ... Guns, Check ... Radio, Check ... Jacket, Check
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Let police officers take care of it. We have backup, guns, radio, jackets — all that stuff civilians don't have.
But obviously civilians have one thing the police officers don't - the WILL to take action.
If the police have been taking these thefts seriously and had sent officers to thief's home instead, then no one would be foolish enough to do it himself.
Yes, it is foolish to confront the thief at his home. What do you think would happen? "Ha ha, you got me, here's your phone."? More likely is the thief would know giving you the phone just proved he stolen your stuff, and now you know where to lead the police to him, thief would be thinking how is he going to silence you?
Maybe after the first few fools got killed, the police will finally take a visit to the locations of stolen phones?
Oliver.
I am SO SICK of the police telling citizens they shouldn't conduct their business. Yes it can be unwise, but the constant drumbeat of 'leave it to the cops' pisses me off.
Good-bye
In the rest of the world a stolen smartphone will get bricked, but carriers are working against that in the US. I guess because stolen phones mean people will have to buy replacements and they'll get the kickbacks from Apple and Samsung for that. As long as stolen phones keep working in the US, they'll continue to be stolen.
of course the cops are saying don't do anything. if people realized that they are capable of taking care of themselves the "proper authorities" will have a harder time forcing people to buy a product they may or may not need, or take their weapons, or surveil their every move.
lose != loose
The stolen phone reporting its location in said home should be probable cause.
They say let the cops handle it, yet the cops WON'T go arrest these guys even if you give them the same GPS info. This happens out of frustration from the uselessness of the police to act in these scenarios, not because they think it's the best course of action.
Don't do it yourself, call your friend from the IRA to get your phone back. Leave it to the experts...
Dead on. The police could do their jobs and get the phone and even take a crook of the streets at the same time. Instead if a location of a stolen phone is reported they just brush it off and tell you that your $500+ item is "easily replaceable" and that you should forget about all of the personal stuff on it. They can't be bothered. I wonder why people respect police less and less every day. I'm surprised that they don't point out that while the police have guns and all that other stuff, and the bad guys likely have guns, in many states the victims don't have guns because the laws prevent it. And prevent you from even having bullet proof vests too!
I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
> because they are low priority for them
If they are such a low priority for them, why bother taking the statements and filing the report?
Things you think are in the Constitution, but are not.
Bottom line here is that it might cost a thousand to replace, but even the higher end ones are usually under $600 new and even at $1k you'd have to be a damned fool to risk your life over that. You can get a new phone, but there's no coming back if you're shot dead.
And if you want to gripe about the cops not being willing to do anything about it, that's a man power issue. And ultimately man power issues are tax issues, where do you think those tax cuts come from? The government has cut most of the easy to cut things and cheap bastards like the cock brothers keep pushing for more and more tax cuts. Around here the Sheriff's department is woefully underfunded because one of the local teanarchists keeps getting the voters to approve super majority requirements on tax hikes, by arguing that they're always asking for more money because they can't manage their money. Well, the reason they keep asking for more money is that the jackass has taken most of the tax revenues away to benefit the rich.
"The emergence of this kind of do-it-yourself justice," writes Ian Lovett, "has stirred worries among law enforcement officials that people are putting themselves in danger, taking disproportionate risks for the sake of an easily replaced item."
If the police care, they can go get the phones themselves. People only take it into their own hands when the police ignore them.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
"If anyone should shoot a thief dead over your iPhone it should be us. We're armed to the fucking teeth, thus we are better qualified."
When exactly did we decide to turn our local police departments into paramilitary units? And at what point did they become so proud of that fact that they brag about their kills and their weapons?
We're fighting for freedom all over the world, except the one place we actually need it now...AT HOME.
Rapid justice, and punishment, for small crimes help prevent the perp moving onto bigger stuff next time. So a minor mugging that's satisfactorily solved could possibly stop the mugger committing further, more serious, offences
I think the reason people are pursuing stolen phones on their own is that the police is going to do absolutely zero about the situation after filling out the incident report, unless the phone happens to show up in some huge haul of stolen goods. The police are not going to raid a house to recover your stolen iphone. It's just not that important to them. (But important enough, apparently, that some law enforcement are lobbying for a manufacturer's kill switch but that's a different discussion.)
If you need an incident number for your insurance, the police will provide that. If you need them to go to that jerk's house and get your phone back, they are not going to do that. It really is that simple.
Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
They can't deprioritize the job until you have given your statement.
You're an immobile computer, remember?
Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
The government sucks at taking care of ANYTHING. I'm a 20 year vet. I don't need or want the governments help in dealing with a stolen phone. If I decide to let it go--lucky criminal.
If I decide to gear up, kick his door in, feed him his teeth, and get my property I will.
Unfortunately that sign on their car door "To serve and protect", they serve and protect the state. Getting back your iPhone does little to serve and protect the state.
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My sister's friend had her phone stolen recently and when she called the LAPD about it, they also refused to do anything about it and pretty much told her that it was not their policy to go chasing after stolen phones. She later attempted to confront the fence that stole her phone and ultimately was unsuccessful in recovering her phone.
Fuck Beta
If they are such a low priority for them, why bother taking the statements and filing the report?
Welcome to the wonders of bureaucracy. Suggest reading Kafka to learn more.
Aside: Hey, I finally remembered how to spell bureaucracy without spell check correcting me! Only took years....
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Yesterday, I just walked into a T-Mobile store and buy one with my debit card. I must be missing something.
"and risk the life of an officer." That was the answer from the San Diego police department when my friend's sone lost his iPhone in a major hotel out of the dining room.
My friend is an attorney involved in major San Diego port affairs. Made no diff. "We don't go into that barrio without a SWAT team."
A phone isn't just a cool toy any more. We're pretty dependent on them. It's our way of communicating with people; it contains a lot of data. We spend a lot of time tinkering with it and configuring it to make it just so.
Even if you have backed it up, it's still a; lot of work getting the data back onto the phone. And you'll probably lose something.
Plus it takes time to replace. We are without an essential tool that we assume we'll have, and are no longer able to function well until it's replaced.
Police often wont take care of it...because as he said, it's just a phone.
Today it's a phone, tomorrow it's a laptop and by next week it's an armed robbery of an electronics store. I can understand that the police do not have the resources to track down every petty criminal but when confronted with clear evidence where the criminal is they have a duty to act. It is not only a fantastic public relations opportunity ("I went to the police and they caught the criminal one hour later") it also looks good for the crime statistics and it helps to reduce future crime since many phone thefts are probably opportunistic criminals who, if not caught, will carry on with their experiment to see how many phones/laptops/etc. they can steal before it crosses the police action threshold.
Or the poor unsuspecting guy that bought it off craigslist..
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"We have backup, guns, radio, jackets — all that stuff civilians don't have." What? I have all that stuff.
In the rest of the world a stolen smartphone will get bricked, but carriers are working against that in the US.
The USA has had a stolen phone blacklist for quite some time now. You can check if a phone is blacklisted here. Carriers will also ban a phone from their own network if the owner defaults on their service contract or handset finance agreement.
Phones are still stolen because:
1. Some phones can have their IMEI altered (illegal, but we're talking about criminals in the first place).
2. They can be sold overseas.
3. They can be sold to fools right here in the USA who don't know there's an IMEI blacklist and that they're buying a useless "brick".
4. They have value as parts.
5. Not everything criminal steals needs a logical reason. Some of these low-lives are so trashed on drugs they aren't thinking much beyond "take everything I can grab, sell, buy more drugs."
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Then why do they have guys with guns guarding banks and jewelry stores?
Yes, civilians don't have *organized* backup, guns, radio, etc.
Maybe its time for an app for this?
Lets say you find your phone (or any other stolen item). So you use the "I need backup" app to find local people willing to come aid you in recovering your item. You coordinate time and location through the app and descend upon the perp...
Then take care of it, you worthless fucks.
Except that the guy who "only stole an iPhone" probably did a lot more. When cops do investigat such things, they also tend to find further crime such as:
* troves of stolen goods
* stolen/duplicated credit cards
* drugs
* links to other criminals and/or organized crime
Me: I'd like to report my phone was stolen
Police: Go away, all our officers are currently assigned to DUI checkpoints, handing out speeding tickets and looking to roust drivers who might be carrying a lot of cash so we can seize it.
I promise to bring my guns, radios and backup. The only things the cops have that I don't is a jacket (assuming they mean bullet proof vests). Then again, I'll actually show up.
A real kill switch that renders the phone unusable and unlock able without the original owner taking action
A nationwide database of stolen phones so they cannot be activated for phones without kill switches as well as backup to kill switches.
Sure, some phones will be stolen, hacked to work and or shipped abroad, but a lot of the theft is driven by the how easy it is to sell a hot phone on the street. Make it unusable and thieves will move on to the next way to make a quick buck.
I'm a consultant - I convert gibberish into cash-flow.
What nonsense.
The police don't even look for stolen cars -- even with their license plate cameras and parking ticket staff able to ID every vehicle on the public streets.
And we imagine they'll look for phones?
Kiddies, if it's under a million dollars, it's not worth tracking, to the people who matter in this world.
Pretty easy for me to get some buddies, I have amateur radio equipment for remote comms, and plenty of firepower. Other than a vest, what else do the police have that I don't that would apply here?
When will a stolen iPhone lead to that?
"Hi, it looks like you found my phone according to the 'find my phone' app. Did you know there was a $50 reward for it's return?"
FTA: LAPD Cmdr. Andrew Smith urges resisting the impulse to do so. "It's just a phone," he said. "it's not worth losing your life over. Let police officers take care of it. We have backup, guns, radio, jackets — all that stuff civilians don't have.""
Yeah, but in my experience, LAPD, SMPD, and so on won't bother responding to your call.
They should be telling that to the thieves.
And while hitting "Find My iPhone" can take you to a thief's doorstep, LAPD Cmdr. Andrew Smith urges resisting the impulse to do so. "It's just a phone," he said.
Citizens urge police to do their fucking jobs so we don't have to do it ourselves.
They do nothing to "take care of it".
Which is why people are taking it into their own hands.
Yes, police have all that stuff. On the other hand, they don't give a shit about your iphone being stolen, and will likely never investigate.
Look at the numbers.
It's a growing crime in the Bay Area and across the country; more than 3 million people nationwide were victims of cell phone theft last year.
An estimated 60 percent of all robberies in Oakland involved a mobile device last year. According to the San Francisco District Attorney's office, 67 percent of robberies in that city involved a stolen mobile device.
Now try working with the police instead of falling back on your favorite Slashdot meme.
Vanna Bong knows first-hand how effective tracking software can be. She's helped customers at the Quick Communications store in Alameda use it to find lost phones and tablets, and even used it herself a few months ago when burglars ransacked her home and stole her personal electronics, worth more than $6,000 dollars.
Bong used tracking software to pinpoint the location of her stolen devices and tracked the thieves and her stolen items down.
''It was 10 minutes away. They took it to McDonalds where they were using free wifi,'' Bong said. ''I was really surprised, I didn't know that it was going to pinpoint the exact address''
Tracking software was one of the tools Oakland police used to find and arrest two suspected cell phone robbers on Thursday. The robbers stole a smart phone from a woman walking down the 600 block of Grand Avenue around 10 p.m. that evening. Moments before, the same robbers were believed to have stolen a cell phone from another victim on the 3000 block of Broadway in Oakland.
The woman from the Grand Ave. robbery called police, and using tracking software, told police dispatchers the location of her phone and the robbers.
Police found the phone, arrested two suspected robbers and are going through several other stolen items the robbers had when arrested.
Think.
Your eyewitness account will most likely lead nowhere.
The GPS fix is pure gold.
Most people lock their phones these days. Why is there not a function that I can find the owner's info (whatever they want to put there) and an ICE (In Case of Emergency) number.
Or more so, if I come upon an injured person, it would be nice to let someone know (besides 911) that they are injured.
If I find a phone, what can I do with it if I want to return it? This has happened a few time in cabs. Now days I just give it to the driver and it is now his windfall/problem.
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The question I have is why does the New York Times want you to be afraid? Why are they painting this as some kind of "But you could DIE!!!!!" safety issue?
External reality check, is your town so filled with psychopaths that some petty thief will KILL your ass rather than hand back the phone?
I think not.
But the Times thinks so, and more to the point they want you to think so, and stay at home all huddled in your blanky in case the Bad Men might get you.
And Slashdot headline: "Death Wish Meets GPS: iPhone Theft Victims Confronting Perps" Death Wish? Really?
What's your point, Slashdot? What are you communicating here, that law abiding citizens peacefully and non-violently demanding their stolen property back is a Bad Thing? Bad for who?
the cops actually did their job and went to the thief's home, following the GPS tracker, this wouldn't happen.
Let police officers take care of it. We have backup, guns, radio, jackets — all that stuff civilians don't have.
I'm not a cop, but it strikes me as odd that appropriate training didn't make it to his list of the four most important things police officers have which civilians don't.
Really? My phone is over $700, so it is not an "easily replaced item", however I am too smart to go to the "perp" and demand it back without backup.
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"We have backup, guns, radio, jackets — all that stuff civilians don't have."
I have 3 out of those four things, and the 4th wouldn't be difficult to get.
No. Its just a criminal who takes peoples property, sometimes by force. And who will become emboldened if they realize that the cops won't do sqaut to stop them. Screw the phone. Its insured. Get the punks who think they can knock people down and grab their phones.
Have gnu, will travel.
Perhaps people wouldn't HAVE to confront the scumbag that stole the phone if the police actually did shit about it. They don't even have to do any detective work, as the victim has already done it by using 'Find my iPhone' or Android Device Manager. All they need to do is get a search warrant from based on the victim's evidence, arrest the perp, collect the phone. Everybody wins except for the thieving scumbag.
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explain things to an officer (show the FMi screen "LIVE" to them) and hint that you might be heading "that way" to "chat" with the person. good chances the officer will A lead you to the person B have another officer meet you there.
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If you really want to freak out, take a look at how much money municipalities pay for police pensions. It's not the administrators that are munching the budget, it's the retirees.
It's not that the phone has the sole copy of a piece of information. It's that the phone is a very easy method to get at said information.
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it really comes down to funding. Cops have limited resources, especially after 30 years of budget cuts in the name of "Reduced Bureaucracy" and tax cuts for the rich. Remember when you voted down that 1% sales tax increase? Guess where that money was earmarked for?
So Cops ignore non-violent offenders and focus on the violent ones. Seems when it's Pot heads everyone's OK with that. Yeah, yeah, pot heads don't hurt anyone. Except there's already guys in this thread banging on about how when you investigate one crime you find another....
Want better law enforcement? Raise taxes. Corporate profits and the cash held by the top 1% are both at levels not seen since the 1920s, lets have them pay some of that.
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You kidding? Departments have had to put 'no pursuit' policies in place to keep the hothead cops from killing bystanders while chasing stolen wrecks.
Have gnu, will travel.
and maybe back up if we call enough friends and neighbors. We also have something else...an expectation that the law will be carried out by the people hired to do so. Andrew Smith should be embarrassed that civilians have to do his and his coworkers jobs for them. If they can't do their job then maybe it's time they found someone who can.
Just ask Wayne Dobson
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I reported my bicycle stolen in San Jose. It could be done online. It was chained to a rack in the apartment garage. I am not doing that again. It was recovered from a burglar trying to make his get a way. I hope my report made it easier for the cops interrupt this criminals career. I got my bike back. I hope the cops enjoyed returning it.But perhaps most importantly, write down the serial number of your bike.
I'm waiting for the victim to confront the thief, have it turn violent and the thief gets killed.
If those stories start becoming popular in the news it might help lower theft.
...as long as you get a camera crew to go with them !
maybe civilians should have all that stuff.
I don't argue that it's possible... but is there actually any precedent of anyone being killed who confronted an alleged phone thief?
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
The unpopular truth is that "We The People" don't want to vote for the actual funding required for police departments, because that would require us to admit how much crime runs among us and take a more seriously look at certain egalitarian illusions.
Instead, we've made police dependent on and drunken with money from traffic tickets and drug forfeitures, which is a dishonest way of doing things.
Given the choice between a complex truth and an easy lie, voters (as a group) always pick the lie.
Don't blame cops for what the voters did.
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...brick the phone. Steal my phone, fine. Have fun with a chunk of useless plastic and glass.
Yeah, and going in with a SWAT team costs the tax payers $60,000 each time they have to make a simple house call that could be done with two Black & Whites. Wasn't Mayor Giuliani's policy of going after small stuff semi-successful at turning NYC around because they felt that knocking down the pattern's of small crime helped fleece the bigger crimes as well?
yeah, except cops DON'T DO ANYTHING to help. a new phone (one that's WORTH stealing) is a minimum of $400. sure, that's easily replaceable... i have tons of money laying around.
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. . . build a car bomb into your old worn-out car. Dynamite under the seat, connected to the starter or some such. Park it in a hopeless spot where it *will* be stolen immediately. One thief less. You get the same insurance as if it merely got stolen. Or connect the explosives to the licence plates, taking out the chop shop...
Same with the phones. Install a smaller battery, fill remaining space with explosive. Have it stolen. Call it, and blow it up using a (long) password when they answer. Takes the hand off - or even the head if you're lucky.
Such barrios and similar areas do merit a local Police State because it's a military counterinsurgency problem. I pay the cops to keep scumbags out of my neighborhood and don't give a fuck about their "civil rights" because they are my enemies and I don't benefit from them infesting MY neighborhood. If that makes me a bigot, fine, because I care about me and mine and not my enemies.
Smart people practice "economic segregation" and live out of range of most goblins (a wonderful Jeff Cooper term).
Some people will be offended by that statement, but that's cool. Muggers gotta eat too!
I'm faster, stronger, and better armed than fat and lazy police officers first of all. Second, I don't actually have to follow the laws like they do. What is the thief going to do, call the cops? And third, my friend had his iPhone stolen and the police refused to follow the find my iphone app to get it back. So he got me and some friends to go get it back. Simple as that. They cops are too busy/lazy/afraid of law suits to do a damn thing.
"We have backup, guns, radio, jackets — all that stuff civilians don't have."
Backup - yup - take some friends with you.
Guns - yup - ever heard of the 2nd amendment. I own MANY.
Radio - yup - anyone can buy radios with 5+ mile ranges on them - I have 4
Jackets - yup - you can buy those too - I have one
Ok so what do the police have we don't besides a worthless piece of tin on their shirt?
Since the cops don't a rats @$$ about your radio - you should go get it yourself. The job of the cops is to clean up the mess afterwords - they don't care about your stolen iPhone....
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Spend a billion man hours and a trillion real dollars.
Recover something stolen with enough clues to assist the clueless nope cant handle the job.
These people we call cops seem so dumb.
Quit making fucking excuses for these useless bastards. I want them to do their fucking job.
So yes, that includes returning my *stolen* item.
You know they signed on to do exactly that - solve crimes, bust criminals, return stolen property.
It's part of the job description. Right now, they're getting paid to go lean on kindergarten children and dead people for non-illegal copyright non-infringement.
If they don't want to do their jobs, fire their fucking asses.
How about the carriers and phone manufacturers... Seriously... I KNOW the ESN and Serial Number of my phone... How come I can't just report that it is stolen, prove that I owned it, and have it become permanently deactivated unless I get it back? That would END the black market in cel phones.
I had a friend who was violently mugged here in the UK, and the police weren't even interested in taking a statement. They just told him to go to the hospital if he felt dizzy (the robbers hit him over the head).
When a UK journalist gets mugged though, he gets star treatment
And they will do absolutely nothing. Cops are worthless, utterly worthless, you do not call them for help. And they do not recover stolen property unless you have a cop right there and point at the bag of your stuff and say, "you going to get that?"
People need to take the law into their own hands, because the police will not do it.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
They probably didn't want to tell your ex-father-in-law that it was probably being run from overseas, would take years to go after and even then the likelihood they could extradite the person responsible would be almost negligible. Would likely cost the enforcement agencies a hundred thousand dollars and hundreds of hours of work for nothing to show for it.
If it was any android phone, I'd agree....especially the Samsung brands.
Maybe this helped at the margins, but Giuliani was riding a generation long decrease in crime rates that has been observed all across the country.
Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary. -John Lennon
The go to the 'barrio' with the SWAT team, drag all of those folks out of their government-paid housing, and go through all of their 'possessions' to take back *everything* that has been illegally obtained. That should leave them with an old dirty sock (just one). Then let them back into their hovels where they can wait for their next benefit check, except for those who you have to evict because they've been sub-letting their section-8 housing in addition to collecting unemployment and disability ...
Repeat as necessary, bring dogs and fire hoses as needed ...
Do you think you would get in trouble if you made your phone burst into flames once it is stolen???
I would pay good money for something like that!!!
No hope of getting it back anyways nights as well make the crims life a bit harder when he is homeless
Just tell them that you and your friends have guns for self-defense and will go retrieve your property. The cops can do it for you or not.
Don't waste your vote! Vote for whoever you want, unless you live in a swing state it won't matter anyways
probably so that they can get more federal dollars and grants for fighting more crime by filling out more reports.
"To serve and protect the money"
Was the cop serious?
"Let police officers take care of it." Uh, yeah, we'll be right on that.
I can only dream of living in a city where the crime rate is low enough that cops will bother to talk to you about you stolen phone.
Why don't they? Is it because that barrio is filled with criminals? Why don't they go arrest them all, and kill the ones who shoot at them?
My backpack was stolen at Orlando airport while I was distracted. It contained my iPad, Macbook Air and a ton of other really good stuff. For various reasons I won't list here, we didn't discover it missing until we returned home. I used Find My iPhone and within ½ hour got a hit and the address when the thief turned on the iPad. Once I was sure he was not moving, I sent the commands to wipe everything. There is a story to tell about find the "right" police to report the crime to, which can be tough when the theft occurred at an airport, in one county, and the perp is in an adjacent county and you live in yet a third county. I made literally 24 calls to multiple police agencies and at multiple points was told, "do you know how many calls we get like this every single day?". Apparently, hundreds. As a rule, the police have bigger crooks to catch. I decided to make a huge fuss, invoking DHS, FBI and everything else I could think of. Finally, I hit on the right strategy. I had been telling the (multiple) police officers I talked with that I was going to get in my car and confront the guy, and they ALL thought that was a really bad idea. Maybe I felt like doing that but --- I'm NOT stupid, OK? -- but it was a good negotiating ploy. I told them I would be there in an hour and so they finally connected me with a deputy sheriff, in his patrol car and not too far from the perp's location. I guess he was convinced I was on my way and likely to get really really hurt, so I allowed him to talk me out of going to the house in exchange for a promise to visit it at dawn. He kept his word. An older woman answered the door. Here is the conversation: "Were you at the airport last night?" "No, my son went to pick up his girlfriend". "Is he here" "Yes, he's asleep" "Is that his car in the driveway?" "No, that's my car" "Mind if I have a look?" "Go right ahead." THE SHERIFF FOUND MY IPAD AND AIR! (But not the backpack). A few days later I had them back. After weeks of more wrangling and assuring the district attorney I would prosecute, the perp was arrested. Six months later, they have not tried him (yet). Bottom line: mixed results which I only gained by being both a pain in the ass to three law enforcement departments all night long, including convincing them I was going to get in a situation where something REALLY bad would happen and they would have to deal with it. I don't recommend this approach. The lesson: it is highly unlikely that the police will do anything. I was lucky. I recommend checking out a service called "Witness" at wittnessapp.com . They have some great ideas for security and will help you with all this (dealing with police) in the event your equipment is stolen. I hope never to have to use their service but now I'm better prepared.
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you _are_ paying all you can. The Rich aren't.
And no, they're not mismanged. Gov't is a lot more efficient than you give it credit for. _Everything_ is mismanaged to a degree. Especially in a large organization. But large organizations are often the only way to get things done. Large scale cooperation is necessary to do anything major, like keep the piece in a city with over a million people...
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I wonder, is there some big program going on that wastes a gigantic amount of police time while simultaneously corroding their relationship with the public roughly the same way acid dissolves tinfoil?
In Taiwan, I can go to the cops and say I lost my phone. They'll ask me to help them backtrack where I've been. Since most businesses and apartment buildings have security cameras, they can usually catch it on camera. Most phone thefts happen here because someone dropped their phone and someone else picked it up, then took out the SIM card. Also, people generally show security camera footage to cops without a warrant if they're looking for a lost phone. So they put the pieces together for me, pick the guy up, and get my phone back. Meanwhile, in the states, you hand them the location and they tell you to go fuck yourself. What the hell is wrong with your country?
A reality TV show
Maybe people would let you doughnut munchers take care of it if you actually did take care of shit. Instead you just write traffic tickets for people doing the exact same things you do and shoot people because they're black.
just make an anonymous call to the cops claiming the thiefs' address is being used as a meth lab by a black/hispanic/hippie with unpaid rent and speeding fines but mention NOTHING about your phone. After smashing the place apart the cops will find only a bunch of stolen equipment which they'll confiscate. "Find my Phone" will then let you know when your phone arrives at the evidence locker after which you can go directly there and claim it.
So; as long as I have backup, flack jackets, radios and guns then its ok for me to go get my iphone back?
I'm pretty sure I can fulfill those requirements right now as a civilian.
Maybe I'll start my own iphone swat team business. Too bad I have an android with a broken volume up button that no one would want to steal.
A big problem in many departments seems to be they just don't understand new technology. They don't understand that these devices can be located easily, and that they can have companies do the locating and give them a result if they get a warrant. Also that it is often worth doing because they nail someone with a bunch of other stolen goods usually.
This kind of thing happened at the university I work at. One of our employees got his laptop stolen by what can only be described as extreme stupidity on his part. Laptop had Computrace so my boss called them and got the tracking going. They were able to locate it, it was still in the city and being used regularly. This was handed to the police... and nothing happened for a long time. There was back and forth with my boss, the university police, the city police, the general council, etc, etc. Finally they seemed to figure shit out, got a warrant, found the guy and busted him. They recovered a bunch of stolen goods.
Of course after that it took even longer to actually get the laptop back, since it had to sit in the evidence room while all that went on, but we did get it.
Really to me it seemed mostly like the police just didn't understand what was going on. They thought they were being asked to go on a wild goose chase or something and didn't understand that the case was being handed to them all wrapped with a bow.
Education isn't the whole pboelm, but I think it'd help a lot. If police forces understood:
1) What to do. As in what company do you call, what do you need (just a phone call, subpoena, warrant, etc), and what kind of information do you get.
2) That this kind of thing gives you all the probable cause you need.
3) That when you bust someone like this, you usually get to nail them for a bunch more stuff. They generally didn't just make one theft, so you get to recover a bunch more stolen goods, and often other crimes (drugs, etc) as well.
Then I think it might be more common. They get a call saying "My phone has been stolen," they open up their "Policel2recoverphones" guide and start asking the questions it says and then go from there.
then civilians wouldn't be, but those fucking useless moronic thugs would just keep the phones, lol civil forfeiture laws! "easily replaced" WHAT? when did iPhones prices drop to "easily replaceable" levels? $600 is a month of food!
For those civilians that carry weapons for self-defense, no one should have to remind you that the origin of your right to do so was originally one of selflessness, i.e. to protect your defenseless neighbors at risk to your own life or property, either from raiding parties, foreign enemies, crime, or the government.
The HELL it was.
It was to protect yourSELF,your FAMILY, and the property that keeps you and them alive and prospering, first and foremost. Protecting your friends, neighbors, fellow tribesmen/countrymen, defenseless widows and orphans, etc. is, and always has been, farther down the list, and often a side-effect of your higher-priority guard work. (For instance: Crooks avoid houses "that shoot", and to a lesser extent the neighborhoods that contain them, when there are enough of them or enough uncertainty about which is which.)
Altruism is a survival characteristic, but only when it's limited to its proper level. Putting most others above yourself in your priority scheme is a recipe for extinction (though very convenient for others who want to run your life for their own benefit). The law recognizes this, as does the bulk of the population who actually spend time thinking about and researching it. It's time you did, too.
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Carriers are in on this shit, its pretty much an american problem, they havent even tried an imei blacklist to my knowledge.
if you can Track it with GPS and know they are using it, Turn hotspot on, on the fucker and Rack the hell out of the bandwidth from the street, lets not forget porn sites and other stuff stored on the phone, Next bill they take it in the pooper. unless they are doing the private cell rail thing all over again.
In my country, location from Find my iphone is not a sufficient proof for a search warrant. So police will just file the report and that's it.
Why is it most Police at all levels of civil service have forgotten that they are Civilians? It truly frustrates me with the degree of improper thought process in which police incorrectly segregate themselves from the rest of the civilian population as if they some how became members of one of the 5 branches of our military because the wear a badge.
Called the cops and say the person pulled what looks to be a gun on you when you went to get your phone back. I bet the cops will be there in 5mins and youll have your phone back pretty fast.
"Let police officers take care of it."?
So... does that mean police will now actually take care of it?
Wouldn't be awesome if you could activate an ink dye that exploded all over the person who stole your phone?
Recovering a stolen phone is pretty much hopeless, but at least you would have the satisfaction that the perp looked like a smurf.
Of course the downside, hackers would think it would be funny as hell to set off the dye on people they didn't like.
Let's see, today's schedule of events consists of:
Murder ... ... ... ... ...
Assault
Murder
Assault
Domestic Dispute
Major Car Accident
Assault
Armed Robbery
Murder
Theft of your iPhone along with 500 others.
Well, it's easy right? Just like adding that simple bug fix for the UI layout should go to the front of the queue instead of, you know ensuring the database is up and running. *Cough* Healthcare.gov *Cough*.
Put a few grams of C-4 in those phones and really put the "kill" in "kill switch".
Had a similar situation.
Had my car vandalized. Know exactly who did it (I accidentally parked in their Condo parking spot, was visiting a friend, another friend who had been there before said it was fine to park there). Knew exactly where they lived (Condo #). It was a secure building, and had video surveillance of them actually keying my car (was not subtle, keyed every panel, including hood and trunk).
Police did nothing. Insurance did nothing, they just wrote it off and paid it out. I told them I was very willing to go to court for them (even if it meant missing time off work), as I was very angry (my car was literately like 2 weeks old).
About the only thing I could do was go after them civilly. However since the insurance paid out, I would only really be able to go after them for the insurance deductible which was 500$, and I would incur more than that myself taking the time off, travel, etc... to do it. So i ate my rage.
Last year I had someone break into my house while I was there. Police took a report. Never heard anything again.
Yet I was drunk and noisy one night and one of my neighbors called the cops on me and one showed up to tell me to turn it down. Which is fine, I was kind of being a jerk in hindsight. However it is very hard for me to think of things like home invasion and thousands of dollars worth of theft or vandalism, not being much of a "priority" but yet they have time to come and chastise me about listening to my music too loud on the weekend.
1. My truck was stolen in Los Angeles. I reported it within an hour. They called me about 40 days later when my truck wound up in a police impound yard. It had been parked in a no parking zone about ten miles from where it was stolen the same night it was stolen. It collected a parking ticket each day for a month, while it was parked in a red no parking zone. After it collected more than 30 parking tickets, they decided to tow it, and that was when they discovered it was stolen.
2. I was mugged and shot by a raving meth addict in Los Angeles. I had all the windows of my truck shot out, and got a wound from a bullet that fortunately only grazed my neck. I went to the police, to show them my wound, and my shattered windows and make a report. The LA County Sheriff took my report, but claimed it was probably not their jurisdiction. I knew it was, but they were unsure. Six months later they sent me an apology letter, the result of an internal investigation, saying that they now realized it was their jurisdiction. That was when they finally asked me to look at mugshots. They never found the guy.
3. I was mugged and beaten in Long Beach. The police were called and they insisted I go to the emergency room so they could document my wounds. I insisted I was ok and did not need medical help. The police said there was a California Victim of Violent Crimes fund that would cover the costs. For three years a collection agency called me at least once a week to harass me about the medical bills incurred by my "free" visit to the emergency room that night. I got no medical attention, just photos taken of my wounds for the police. They never caught anyone. I got mugged twice, once by the muggers and once by the police. It took me a lot longer to repair my credit after the police caused this problem than it did to recover from the beating.
Now, if I have a problem and can't solve it myself without police, I just let it go. It actually surprises me how many here seem to have a similar sentiment. Once in a while the police do something right, but I prefer just to do without their services.
Quote: "Cops got better things to do than get killed." --Wang from Big Trouble in Little China
The Commander's advice doesn't carry much weight.
Then again, he is making it clear what priority theft has to the LAPD.
Which is exactly why people confront the thieves themselves.
what could go wrong?
" LAPD Cmdr. Andrew Smith urges resisting the impulse to do so. "It's just a phone," he said. "it's not worth losing your life over. Let police officers take care of it. We have backup, guns, radio, jackets — all that stuff civilians don't have.""" ..including absolutely no interest in returning my stolen property, after all its just a phone, that will cost me hours and hours of actual work to earn the money to replace.
I have guns and friends with guns, i.e. backup.
When the justice system fails, vigilantism is the next stop down the road.
Yes, I carry my .40 caliber Glock, whenever i go to confront theives.
I only ask them one question, "Is my cellphone worth YOUR LIFE, punk?
"Well, is it, PUNK?"
Of course, the story is in that fairy land called New York... Most real Americans who know and live by the Second Amendment,
live where firearms really protect our Rights and Freedoms! We do call 911, to measure the dead perps, and remove them.
"We have backup, guns, radio, jackets — all that stuff civilians don't have."
Then WTF aren't they using it?
Yet another 1 line fart reply from gmhowell!
If they don't want civilians do to their job, they should do their job.
What's hard to understand about that?
Mind, It's also disproportionate to fetch iphones with SWAT teams.
These things do not always point to the correct address.