And how do you know they are drunk? Oh, the black box says so? Well, that's good enough for me!
I'm going to start selling little boxes with a tube on the side and a display that always displays a random number on the side from.08 to.15 when you blow into the tube. And when you get arrested due to my little black box, you can't ever ask me how it works, because my 'trade secret' is more important than your innocence.
Watching my dad (60 yrs. old) use a mouse for the first time was amusing. He would grab the top of the mouse with his fingertips, almost as if he were going to pick it up, rather than putting his wrist on the desktop and laying his fingers on the mouse (which is how most people use a mouse). Then he would slowly move the mouse until the pointer was at the correct spot. Then he would let go of the mouse, and then use his index finger to click the mouse button (almost as if he were typing on a keyboard). Funny to watch.
CO2 can be pollution. Too much of anything can be pollution. Why don't you go and see how long you last in a room filled only with CO2.
Water can be pollution. Too much of anything can be pollution. Why don't you go and see how long you last in a room filled only with water. See how silly your statement sounds?
Industry does not account for 100% of the economy.
[sigh] Yes, you totally got me there. So, since industry isn't 100% of the economy, anything that happens to them won't affect the industry as a whole.
And currently, the industry externalizes those costs onto everybody else. If they had to pay for all of their effects, then they probably would find a way to deal with it.
What cost has been 'externalized'? CO2 in the air? How much is that costing you?
But at the moment, they don't pay those costs.
Thanks for proving my point about there being additional costs to industry if we implement harsh CO2 restrictions.
The world economy is much more likely to crash if we don't deal with pollution, fuel consumption and emissions.
Please read my entire post. CO2 is not pollution The market will take care of fuel consumption.
Where do you get the idea that dealing with environmental problems will cause economic harm?
Because if there was some economic benefit to dealing with "environmental problems" (which CO2 is not), then it would already be done by industry. The fact that they don't means that it will cost more money and resources to do it.
Some right-wing "think tank"?
No, I get the idea from basic economics and common sense.
I realize that you and the broader movement for denying human-caused global are not pro-pollution, but those are the bedfellows you're lying down with.
So what if there are polluters that want to pollute more? We already have lots of environmental regulations in place to reduce pollution, and those won't go away just because we don't believe in global warming. CO2 is not pollution. What the hell do you think all those plants and trees are surviving on?
The net result of your movement is more pollution and more environmental degradation.
And I could just as easily say that the net result of your movement will be the tanking of the world economy.
Cleaner air/water/soil does not have anything to do with reducing carbon dioxide. We've been cleaning those things up for decades without changing how much CO2 we put out. Global warming skeptics don't want to focus our 'cleaning' resources on the wrong thing. Also, global warming is presented to us as a "Do it NOW or we all die!" scenario (and to hell with what it will do to our economy), where cleaning the environment is something that we can do gradually over time without significant impact on us.
California is, unfortunately, going down the road of harming our economy (while in the middle of a recession, no less) by instituting all sorts of goofy "greenhouse gas emissions reduction" laws. http://www.sacbee.com/325/story/1452652.html
Corporate bosses strong arm signers of the petititon...
How do you 'strong arm' someone when it's a secret ballot?
and tell them if the union passes they'll lose their jobs.
So, you haven't seen the news about American automakers, have you? Yep, unionized industries never lose jobs!
...isn't it more common for corporations to strong arm employees out of a union than these mobbed up union bosses?
There, fixed that for ya.
Gee, I wonder why the union people want to bypass the second step and just ratify the union if they get enough people to sign the petition? Hmm, I wonder why?
Ah, I didn't read the AFP link in the main article. But it makes me wonder: How were the first set of papers served to the couple to get the default judgment? And why would a second set of papers need to be served?
And it still doesn't seem to matter. They served the couple two sets of papers, and they still can't find them. What happens now?
So the judge went for this whole stupid 'serve them over the interwebs' thing (idiot). Now what? What happens if they don't show up in court? Default judgment? What good is that if the guy can't find them in the first place? He still won't be able to collect on the default judgment. And even if they do find them, they will just say, "Papers? What papers? And what the heck is 'facebook'?
The judge should have put his foot down and said, "Find them, serve them, then come back into my court. Otherwise, you are just wasting everybody's time."
Ummm, it does exist. It just hasn't been deployed, due to the issues listed.
Car analogy alert: I have my car (DNSSEC) sitting in the garage. It exists.
I want to drive (deploy) it, but my wife, teenage kids and I are all arguing over who gets to drive, where we are driving to, and what route we are going to take.
Hell, your own post states it:
...and deployments in various domains have begun to take place.
...refuse to pay workers for the time between walking in the door of the factory and reaching the production floor...
Yeah, but you can time it to get to your place on the production floor at the exact time that your shift starts (I use to do this while interning at an auto production plant one summer). But in this case, booting the computer requires you to sit at work for 15 minutes. Whether the company considers that 'work' is irrelevant. It is required as part of your daily duties.
Heck, a lot of AVG software bogs down the system so much I'm wondering if the cure is worse than the disease.
Amen. I've seen too many of my friends' and family's computers brought to a near standstill due to their AV software constantly scanning/warning/updating. When they ask me to fix it, the first thing I do is uninstall that crap (which usually came pre-installed on the machine).
I haven't run any kind of anti-virus/system protection software for at least five years, with no viruses to date. Just avoid IE and Outlook, keep Windows patched, and don't install ANY kind of crap toolbar/weather update/random tray widget. It's not perfect, but neither is the protection of AV software.
I also noticed that when you click on the picture, you get the 'real' full res picture. However, the full res picture has a big ugly 'LIFE' logo stamped in the lower corner. Gee, thanks for screwing up the picture for me!
...the phone company does not charge you for the service of connecting you with unknown persons for the explicit purpose of arranging the road trip.
Neither does PickupPal. It is free of charge.
The message boards (a) are provided by the schools for postings by students, students take the responsibility for the contents of their posts; and (b) are provided at no charge
The PickupPal message boards (a) are provided by PickupPal for postings by people, people take the responsibility for the contents of their posts; and (b) are provided at no charge
Thanks, all I had to do was copy your sentence, and replace 'college', with PickupPal, and 'students' with 'people'. Students are people too, you know;-)
If two people meet by chance, either online or in person, and decide to carpool then yes, it's nobody's business. That is not the case here.
Sooooo... it has to be a 'chance' meeting online? Then it's OK?
So if some non-profit organization operates a taxi service, you believe they should be exempt from regulations, solely on the basis of their non-profit status?
No, I don't believe that. But PickupPal was not operating a 'taxi service'. What they provided was just a high-tech version of the bulletin board where I went to college. People would put up notes saying: "I'm traveling here on this date, anyone want to split gas?" "I need a ride to here on this date, anyone going my way? I'll split gas money"
Are you ready to outlaw that?
You might also have missed the fact that PickupPal was charging a commission, before their legal troubles began.
Yes, but they weren't collecting it by the time of the hearings. So why are you even bringing that up? How is that relevant to anything being discussed here?
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And how do you know they are drunk? Oh, the black box says so? Well, that's good enough for me!
I'm going to start selling little boxes with a tube on the side and a display that always displays a random number on the side from .08 to .15 when you blow into the tube. And when you get arrested due to my little black box, you can't ever ask me how it works, because my 'trade secret' is more important than your innocence.
My comet goes all the way up to eleven.
People that are too lazy to go get a converter box are suddenly going to take to the streets with torches and pitchforks? I find that highly unlikely.
Watching my dad (60 yrs. old) use a mouse for the first time was amusing. He would grab the top of the mouse with his fingertips, almost as if he were going to pick it up, rather than putting his wrist on the desktop and laying his fingers on the mouse (which is how most people use a mouse). Then he would slowly move the mouse until the pointer was at the correct spot. Then he would let go of the mouse, and then use his index finger to click the mouse button (almost as if he were typing on a keyboard). Funny to watch.
CO2 can be pollution. Too much of anything can be pollution. Why don't you go and see how long you last in a room filled only with CO2.
Water can be pollution. Too much of anything can be pollution. Why don't you go and see how long you last in a room filled only with water.
See how silly your statement sounds?
Industry does not account for 100% of the economy.
[sigh] Yes, you totally got me there. So, since industry isn't 100% of the economy, anything that happens to them won't affect the industry as a whole.
And currently, the industry externalizes those costs onto everybody else. If they had to pay for all of their effects, then they probably would find a way to deal with it.
What cost has been 'externalized'? CO2 in the air? How much is that costing you?
But at the moment, they don't pay those costs.
Thanks for proving my point about there being additional costs to industry if we implement harsh CO2 restrictions.
The world economy is much more likely to crash if we don't deal with pollution, fuel consumption and emissions.
Please read my entire post. CO2 is not pollution The market will take care of fuel consumption.
Where do you get the idea that dealing with environmental problems will cause economic harm?
Because if there was some economic benefit to dealing with "environmental problems" (which CO2 is not), then it would already be done by industry. The fact that they don't means that it will cost more money and resources to do it.
Some right-wing "think tank"?
No, I get the idea from basic economics and common sense.
I realize that you and the broader movement for denying human-caused global are not pro-pollution, but those are the bedfellows you're lying down with.
So what if there are polluters that want to pollute more? We already have lots of environmental regulations in place to reduce pollution, and those won't go away just because we don't believe in global warming. CO2 is not pollution. What the hell do you think all those plants and trees are surviving on?
The net result of your movement is more pollution and more environmental degradation.
And I could just as easily say that the net result of your movement will be the tanking of the world economy.
Cleaner air/water/soil does not have anything to do with reducing carbon dioxide. We've been cleaning those things up for decades without changing how much CO2 we put out. Global warming skeptics don't want to focus our 'cleaning' resources on the wrong thing. Also, global warming is presented to us as a "Do it NOW or we all die!" scenario (and to hell with what it will do to our economy), where cleaning the environment is something that we can do gradually over time without significant impact on us.
California is, unfortunately, going down the road of harming our economy (while in the middle of a recession, no less) by instituting all sorts of goofy "greenhouse gas emissions reduction" laws.
http://www.sacbee.com/325/story/1452652.html
Corporate bosses strong arm signers of the petititon...
How do you 'strong arm' someone when it's a secret ballot?
and tell them if the union passes they'll lose their jobs.
So, you haven't seen the news about American automakers, have you? Yep, unionized industries never lose jobs!
...isn't it more common for corporations to strong arm employees out of a union than these mobbed up union bosses?
There, fixed that for ya.
Gee, I wonder why the union people want to bypass the second step and just ratify the union if they get enough people to sign the petition? Hmm, I wonder why?
Yeah, I wonder why...
Ah, I didn't read the AFP link in the main article. But it makes me wonder: How were the first set of papers served to the couple to get the default judgment? And why would a second set of papers need to be served?
And it still doesn't seem to matter. They served the couple two sets of papers, and they still can't find them. What happens now?
Please enlighten us as to how 'home loan' will help find these people. THEY TRIED SERVING PAPERS TO THE HOME!!!
FTFA
Attorney Mark McCormack was assigned to the case and unsuccessfully attempted to contact the couple several times at their home,...
I think it is hilarious that you thought you'd be cool by throwing a 'RTFA' at me, when you clearly didn't.
So the judge went for this whole stupid 'serve them over the interwebs' thing (idiot). Now what? What happens if they don't show up in court? Default judgment? What good is that if the guy can't find them in the first place? He still won't be able to collect on the default judgment. And even if they do find them, they will just say, "Papers? What papers? And what the heck is 'facebook'?
The judge should have put his foot down and said, "Find them, serve them, then come back into my court. Otherwise, you are just wasting everybody's time."
STDs: Not really a big worry here at /.
Yeah, and they only get 52% of the vote when becoming president.
What are you? Some kind of terrorist or something?
Ummm, it does exist. It just hasn't been deployed, due to the issues listed.
Car analogy alert:
I have my car (DNSSEC) sitting in the garage. It exists.
I want to drive (deploy) it, but my wife, teenage kids and I are all arguing over who gets to drive, where we are driving to, and what route we are going to take.
Hell, your own post states it:
...and deployments in various domains have begun to take place.
Consider my mind officially blown.
...refuse to pay workers for the time between walking in the door of the factory and reaching the production floor...
Yeah, but you can time it to get to your place on the production floor at the exact time that your shift starts (I use to do this while interning at an auto production plant one summer). But in this case, booting the computer requires you to sit at work for 15 minutes. Whether the company considers that 'work' is irrelevant. It is required as part of your daily duties.
C'mon, this is /., not the Penthouse letters section.
"Dear Penthouse, you will never believe what happened to me while I was on a conference call at home..."
Ask the people at McDonald's that are standing around waiting for a customer to show up.
Or the doorman at a hotel waiting for someone to walk up to the door so that he can open it for you.
Seriously, this may be the stupidest thing I have every heard come out of lawyers mouth, and I've heard them say some stupid shit.
Heck, a lot of AVG software bogs down the system so much I'm wondering if the cure is worse than the disease.
Amen. I've seen too many of my friends' and family's computers brought to a near standstill due to their AV software constantly scanning/warning/updating. When they ask me to fix it, the first thing I do is uninstall that crap (which usually came pre-installed on the machine).
I haven't run any kind of anti-virus/system protection software for at least five years, with no viruses to date. Just avoid IE and Outlook, keep Windows patched, and don't install ANY kind of crap toolbar/weather update/random tray widget. It's not perfect, but neither is the protection of AV software.
I also noticed that when you click on the picture, you get the 'real' full res picture. However, the full res picture has a big ugly 'LIFE' logo stamped in the lower corner. Gee, thanks for screwing up the picture for me!
It's even more amazing when you consider that when lasers were first developed, no one thought they would have much practical use. They were "A solution looking for a problem."
http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/284158_townes.html
Now, try to imagine modern technology without lasers...
...the phone company does not charge you for the service of connecting you with unknown persons for the explicit purpose of arranging the road trip.
Neither does PickupPal. It is free of charge.
The message boards (a) are provided by the schools for postings by students, students take the responsibility for the contents of their posts; and (b) are provided at no charge
The PickupPal message boards (a) are provided by PickupPal for postings by people, people take the responsibility for the contents of their posts; and (b) are provided at no charge
Thanks, all I had to do was copy your sentence, and replace 'college', with PickupPal, and 'students' with 'people'. Students are people too, you know ;-)
If two people meet by chance, either online or in person, and decide to carpool then yes, it's nobody's business. That is not the case here.
Sooooo... it has to be a 'chance' meeting online? Then it's OK?
So if some non-profit organization operates a taxi service, you believe they should be exempt from regulations, solely on the basis of their non-profit status?
No, I don't believe that. But PickupPal was not operating a 'taxi service'. What they provided was just a high-tech version of the bulletin board where I went to college. People would put up notes saying:
"I'm traveling here on this date, anyone want to split gas?"
"I need a ride to here on this date, anyone going my way? I'll split gas money"
Are you ready to outlaw that?
You might also have missed the fact that PickupPal was charging a commission, before their legal troubles began.
Yes, but they weren't collecting it by the time of the hearings. So why are you even bringing that up? How is that relevant to anything being discussed here?