These issues aren't for last mile, this is for backbone too. Last mile is rarely fiber (figure you can go about 5 amps deep on a coax line, at 1500 feet before you need to amp it, so at most 9,000 feet).
I agree it would be great if all the cities would deal with the infrastructure on their own - hell we've tried to get them to do it. The fact is however that most cities can't afford it. Cable companies can break the new build and maintenance costs across multiple cities so that if City A needs $200,000 in maintenance/repairs (storms, age, weather, retarded farmers with tractors) Cities B/C/D/E are producing the income needed to pay for it. When you localize that kind of cost on just one community with (we're talking rural, not big cities) 5,000 subscribers, your cost per customer is significant. You can't call up your customers in the town and say "So, we had to run more lines and do repairs, please send a check for $40 to...". That money has to come out of the profit, which in a 5,000 customer city (5,000 isn't bad penetration for a rural community town which probably peaks a total pop of 15,000) isn't all that much profit to begin with and probably takes months to make up for.
"Identical utility" isn't the same thing. By your standards, if I choose to charge you $10 for a meal I'm giving you money because if I wanted to, I could charge you $20. There is a difference between letting someone keep what they have and giving it back to them just like there is a difference between a low interest loan and a bailout. Charging a lower interest rate doesn't mean its a bailout, it means they think the business will thrive better (and thus possibly yield future returns on investment) if they don't charge the piss out of them in interest rates.
Banks charging 10%, government charging 4%. Banks collapsed and begged for money after breaking the backs of the people they loaned to due to skyrocketing interest rates. Perhaps the government just sees a bad business model and avoids it.
Allowing the oil companies to shift drilling from one place to another won't force them to come up with new sources nor will it encourage them to do so. All this will do is let them do the same old shit they've done for the past few decades - ignore the problem and get rich.
The oil companies don't want to switch for a few VERY good reasons, including "we own it all already". Once you have a monopoly, why switch? If we tell them "switch or fail, but no more drilling." they will at least have some incentive to get off their greedy asses and TRY to save their business.
Actually laying cable in city limits or near (or under) highway is very simple. Its called a right of way permit and anyone can apply for it (and be denied if you plan to do something stupid or do something with poor quality).
As for the price, most pricing paid by an ISP has nothing to do with the city. Usually we (I work for a small ISP that competes with big DSL and cable ops) end up paying more to the local electric companies for pole access than anyone else. See, they charge us to put more line on their pole (between $30 a pole up to ~$100 a pole). Imagine how many poles there are in a city? Now multiply it. Oh, don't forget that we need to apply man power to relocate our lines when they repair or move a pole. Oh, and that twat building a new hotel? Yeah he cut our fiber, so we need to do a fusion splice and maybe even use a directional bore to relocate the line if hes done it before.
Being an ISP is fucking expensive. Sure, you might "think" TW has a monopoly, but I rarely find a city that doesn't have DSL as an option (and DSL by the way is a HUGE monopoly. Who do you think owns most of the internet backbones?) I don't agree with capping but at the same time I get tired of the demonology bullshit that goes on and on.
Face the fact: The "Internet" isn't a place, or an object, or something you need a last mile connection from the LEC to access. It is companies like AT&T forming massive interconnections spanning entire continents to connect the server in denmark that hosts your porn to the PC in your house that downloads it. That in itself is what you "think" you have a right to access, but in reality you have no rights to the internet. The "Internet" doesn't really exist in the way you imagine it, and you nor I nor anybody else has any "rights" to it more than you have the right to demand access to a twinkie factory.
There is alot of shit that goes on in the middle, and I'd say probably 1/100th of 1% of you know a damn thing about what that means or even costs. Perhaps some research is in order before you start burning anyone for being a witch.
While his math was indeed off, you failed to A) read his post properly and B) double check yourself before correcting him.
His total should have been $1250 if he received $800 off the laptop's original price of 2050. You failed completely to notice the real mathematical error and invented a completely new one from thin air.
They don't want him to speak because he is a bigot. Saying that a person is insane/delusional/stupid for believing in god is no worse than calling someone can't fly a plane because hes black. Now, these days you can't go around writing books called "Math skills for toddlers and highly educated niggers" and just hide behind free speech. So, when you call the population of THE MAJORITY OF A WHOLE FUCKING PLANET "delusional" you can probably expect shit like this to happen.
That is quite funny, someone bitching about equality and calling everyone who doesn't agree with him a "faggot". Hypocritical assholes who don't have the ability to realize that they just invalidated their own point in the FIRST FUCKING SENTENCE deserve to be modded troll. That is, perhaps, why it happened hmm?
Then move, we honestly don't want you here if all you are going to do is piss moan about how hard/unfair/scary this place is. If you have the ability to log onto/. and bitch then you have the ability to get the fuck out. so do it.
The same could be said for 40 years, or even 140 years. As a species we are very young and still ignorant of most of our planet. The majority of our ocean is unexplored and our records of weather patterns are infantile in comparison to the subject we are studying. We have no "real" answer on the effects of what we do here because frankly, we can't prove this hasn't happened on its own before and won't happen five more times in the future or even if it will reverse itself.
While I do agree we need to take better care of our planet, I don't agree with shills who think because they have a lab coat and a piece of paper made by other monkies that they somehow have insight into the universe of undiscovery that is our planet. Perhaps we might some day be able to predict things like this, but as it stands now they just end up using the old "science isn't an exact science" crutch.
Quoting three sentences out of nearly three paragraphs and trying to use them to prove your point is stupid. You COULD have quoted something relevant to his post, but then you would have realized he was correct which obviously wasn't your goal.
No kidding eh! The occasional/. psychopaths sometime worry me.
The poster stated if they physically try to force you to stop. IE, touching you. If you touch me without permission, that is assault and I will hurt / kill you if I feel the need to. Note by the way that he also said "shoot them" not "kill them". Many bullet wounds are survivable and don't require long term care. However for those of you who are worried about being shot, if you don't want to die, keep your hands to yourself.
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Where do you think big airlines get pilots from? Thats right, the private sector. Other than the military, the private sector is the only place you can rack up a few thousand hours needed to fly an air bus for morons like yourself.
Perhaps you should take your close minded judgmental bullshit back to the 20th century where it belongs? Or instead, we could realize that locals get priority over foreign workers in other countries and the US is one of the only ones where its citizens don't seem to give a damn about their neighbor and yet care deeply for someone else on another continent who wants their neighbors job.
Going off the pricing model we use for physical media (since we obviously consider it equal to physical theft for some ignorant reason) the actual product is worthless.
Think about it. The value of any item is determined by supply and demand. The closer the supply is to infinite, the lower the price will be when dealing with a finite demand. Since the supply for any song, movie, program, or thought is infinite (limited only by time and bandwidth, neither of which the original supplier is providing) the value becomes nothing. In that sense the markup for these lawsuits is (in reality) pure extortion and profit considering their product is worthless in digital form.
I watched my couch go from being brand new, to a little used, to old. So, in effect, as I watch my couch age it has probably evolved as much as this scientist's test tube jelly and shown an equal number of "non-living but life-like properties".
You are missing a few parts there bud. Like video card, hard drive, DVDRW, Sound card (onboard sound blows). The difference is with a Phenom II, you get all that included in the price you listed as well as the other parts. Look at adding about $300 to your total that wouldn't be added with AMD.
You know so little that your ignorance almost forms a loop back onto itself right past dumb ass and beyond, taking you right back to knowledgeable. Almost.
No, they actually had a client you could play while downloading the game install files. It only worked for fresh accounts. They discontinued it after a little while (rather quietly) but i actually started my second account this way because I was interested in seeing how it worked (and subsiquently discontinued my second account).
Blizzard already did this with world of warcraft (you play as it downloads) for new accounts. They weren't the first to do it either, so I'm not sure how this is news...
We aren't talking about dragging a couch over the cables in your living room and them breaking. We're talking about latching onto a cable that has (maybe) 10 feet of sway in it with a giant piece of steel attached to a metal chain. to reinforce these to withstand that would cost billions.
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These issues aren't for last mile, this is for backbone too. Last mile is rarely fiber (figure you can go about 5 amps deep on a coax line, at 1500 feet before you need to amp it, so at most 9,000 feet). I agree it would be great if all the cities would deal with the infrastructure on their own - hell we've tried to get them to do it. The fact is however that most cities can't afford it. Cable companies can break the new build and maintenance costs across multiple cities so that if City A needs $200,000 in maintenance/repairs (storms, age, weather, retarded farmers with tractors) Cities B/C/D/E are producing the income needed to pay for it. When you localize that kind of cost on just one community with (we're talking rural, not big cities) 5,000 subscribers, your cost per customer is significant. You can't call up your customers in the town and say "So, we had to run more lines and do repairs, please send a check for $40 to ...". That money has to come out of the profit, which in a 5,000 customer city (5,000 isn't bad penetration for a rural community town which probably peaks a total pop of 15,000) isn't all that much profit to begin with and probably takes months to make up for.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bailout
Tesla isn't going to fail or go bankrupt without the LOAN, so even by the most loose term, it isn't even REMOTELY a bailout.
"Identical utility" isn't the same thing. By your standards, if I choose to charge you $10 for a meal I'm giving you money because if I wanted to, I could charge you $20. There is a difference between letting someone keep what they have and giving it back to them just like there is a difference between a low interest loan and a bailout. Charging a lower interest rate doesn't mean its a bailout, it means they think the business will thrive better (and thus possibly yield future returns on investment) if they don't charge the piss out of them in interest rates.
Banks charging 10%, government charging 4%. Banks collapsed and begged for money after breaking the backs of the people they loaned to due to skyrocketing interest rates. Perhaps the government just sees a bad business model and avoids it.
Allowing the oil companies to shift drilling from one place to another won't force them to come up with new sources nor will it encourage them to do so. All this will do is let them do the same old shit they've done for the past few decades - ignore the problem and get rich.
The oil companies don't want to switch for a few VERY good reasons, including "we own it all already". Once you have a monopoly, why switch? If we tell them "switch or fail, but no more drilling." they will at least have some incentive to get off their greedy asses and TRY to save their business.
Actually laying cable in city limits or near (or under) highway is very simple. Its called a right of way permit and anyone can apply for it (and be denied if you plan to do something stupid or do something with poor quality).
As for the price, most pricing paid by an ISP has nothing to do with the city. Usually we (I work for a small ISP that competes with big DSL and cable ops) end up paying more to the local electric companies for pole access than anyone else. See, they charge us to put more line on their pole (between $30 a pole up to ~$100 a pole). Imagine how many poles there are in a city? Now multiply it. Oh, don't forget that we need to apply man power to relocate our lines when they repair or move a pole. Oh, and that twat building a new hotel? Yeah he cut our fiber, so we need to do a fusion splice and maybe even use a directional bore to relocate the line if hes done it before.
Being an ISP is fucking expensive. Sure, you might "think" TW has a monopoly, but I rarely find a city that doesn't have DSL as an option (and DSL by the way is a HUGE monopoly. Who do you think owns most of the internet backbones?) I don't agree with capping but at the same time I get tired of the demonology bullshit that goes on and on.
Face the fact: The "Internet" isn't a place, or an object, or something you need a last mile connection from the LEC to access. It is companies like AT&T forming massive interconnections spanning entire continents to connect the server in denmark that hosts your porn to the PC in your house that downloads it. That in itself is what you "think" you have a right to access, but in reality you have no rights to the internet. The "Internet" doesn't really exist in the way you imagine it, and you nor I nor anybody else has any "rights" to it more than you have the right to demand access to a twinkie factory.
There is alot of shit that goes on in the middle, and I'd say probably 1/100th of 1% of you know a damn thing about what that means or even costs. Perhaps some research is in order before you start burning anyone for being a witch.
How does $2050 minus $800 come out to $1300?...
1350 dell ($2050 minus $800 deal)
While his math was indeed off, you failed to A) read his post properly and B) double check yourself before correcting him.
His total should have been $1250 if he received $800 off the laptop's original price of 2050. You failed completely to notice the real mathematical error and invented a completely new one from thin air.
threw and through are two different words. Learn the meaning jackass.
They don't want him to speak because he is a bigot. Saying that a person is insane/delusional/stupid for believing in god is no worse than calling someone can't fly a plane because hes black. Now, these days you can't go around writing books called "Math skills for toddlers and highly educated niggers" and just hide behind free speech. So, when you call the population of THE MAJORITY OF A WHOLE FUCKING PLANET "delusional" you can probably expect shit like this to happen.
That is quite funny, someone bitching about equality and calling everyone who doesn't agree with him a "faggot". Hypocritical assholes who don't have the ability to realize that they just invalidated their own point in the FIRST FUCKING SENTENCE deserve to be modded troll. That is, perhaps, why it happened hmm?
Then move, we honestly don't want you here if all you are going to do is piss moan about how hard/unfair/scary this place is. If you have the ability to log onto /. and bitch then you have the ability to get the fuck out. so do it.
The same could be said for 40 years, or even 140 years. As a species we are very young and still ignorant of most of our planet. The majority of our ocean is unexplored and our records of weather patterns are infantile in comparison to the subject we are studying. We have no "real" answer on the effects of what we do here because frankly, we can't prove this hasn't happened on its own before and won't happen five more times in the future or even if it will reverse itself. While I do agree we need to take better care of our planet, I don't agree with shills who think because they have a lab coat and a piece of paper made by other monkies that they somehow have insight into the universe of undiscovery that is our planet. Perhaps we might some day be able to predict things like this, but as it stands now they just end up using the old "science isn't an exact science" crutch.
Quoting three sentences out of nearly three paragraphs and trying to use them to prove your point is stupid. You COULD have quoted something relevant to his post, but then you would have realized he was correct which obviously wasn't your goal.
No kidding eh! The occasional /. psychopaths sometime worry me.
The poster stated if they physically try to force you to stop. IE, touching you. If you touch me without permission, that is assault and I will hurt / kill you if I feel the need to. Note by the way that he also said "shoot them" not "kill them". Many bullet wounds are survivable and don't require long term care. However for those of you who are worried about being shot, if you don't want to die, keep your hands to yourself.
Where do you think big airlines get pilots from? Thats right, the private sector. Other than the military, the private sector is the only place you can rack up a few thousand hours needed to fly an air bus for morons like yourself.
Ahem. You are wrong. http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/bto/20090125/amd-opteron-3g-pricing-small-2.jpg
Perhaps you should take your close minded judgmental bullshit back to the 20th century where it belongs? Or instead, we could realize that locals get priority over foreign workers in other countries and the US is one of the only ones where its citizens don't seem to give a damn about their neighbor and yet care deeply for someone else on another continent who wants their neighbors job.
Going off the pricing model we use for physical media (since we obviously consider it equal to physical theft for some ignorant reason) the actual product is worthless. Think about it. The value of any item is determined by supply and demand. The closer the supply is to infinite, the lower the price will be when dealing with a finite demand. Since the supply for any song, movie, program, or thought is infinite (limited only by time and bandwidth, neither of which the original supplier is providing) the value becomes nothing. In that sense the markup for these lawsuits is (in reality) pure extortion and profit considering their product is worthless in digital form.
I watched my couch go from being brand new, to a little used, to old. So, in effect, as I watch my couch age it has probably evolved as much as this scientist's test tube jelly and shown an equal number of "non-living but life-like properties".
You are missing a few parts there bud. Like video card, hard drive, DVDRW, Sound card (onboard sound blows). The difference is with a Phenom II, you get all that included in the price you listed as well as the other parts. Look at adding about $300 to your total that wouldn't be added with AMD.
You know so little that your ignorance almost forms a loop back onto itself right past dumb ass and beyond, taking you right back to knowledgeable. Almost.
"loosening not loosing" You mean losing right?
No, they actually had a client you could play while downloading the game install files. It only worked for fresh accounts. They discontinued it after a little while (rather quietly) but i actually started my second account this way because I was interested in seeing how it worked (and subsiquently discontinued my second account).
Blizzard already did this with world of warcraft (you play as it downloads) for new accounts. They weren't the first to do it either, so I'm not sure how this is news...
We aren't talking about dragging a couch over the cables in your living room and them breaking. We're talking about latching onto a cable that has (maybe) 10 feet of sway in it with a giant piece of steel attached to a metal chain. to reinforce these to withstand that would cost billions.
Citation needed.