I gave up too soon. As several people pointed out careful re-reading of the documentation and the use of a d-link router allowed me to do an FTP install.
One reason I thought I couldn't do a FTP install before was that I'm on DSL with PPPoE. My solution was to hook my box into a dlink router that was already set up to handle the special connection.
So now I have it running on my box and am having fun setting it up as a gateway/firewall. If anyone else is trying the same I suggest this how-to as a good addition to the standard obsd faq: http://real.ath.cx/BSDinstall.html
I recently wiped Win98 off an old deskpro 4000 with the idea that I would make a firewall/router/whatever box (for fun and for my own education).
I'm a newcomer to bsd/linux and don't really know anything. I've heard that OpenBSD is really good and wanted to try it. Ok great, I'll go to OpenBSD.org, download, burn and install.
wtf? how to I download the iso?
After searching around I saw the entry in the faq that I have to buy it... or I can try to download it myself and figure out what bits go where on the CD. Oh, and the layout (or something) is copywrited so I can't grab it off the net someplace without breaking the law.
Well, I'm sorry guys. I don't know how to do that and the documentation I've seen doesn't tell me enough. I want to learn... but I'd like to do it incrementally, not all up front. So I'll be giving OpenBSD a pass and using something else.
Yeah, I'm sure I'll get at least one flaming response about how the team doesn't have to provide the iso, how they need money to continue development, how it's only $40 for God's sake.
I know all that already.
But I have a choice too. And I'm going to choose a distro I can try before I buy without having to figure out where stuff is supposed to go on the CD and whatever else I have to learn just to install the thing.
It's too bad. I've heard a lot of nice things about OBSD and I want to try it. But I'm going to go with someone else... and if I like FreeBSD, RedHat, or whatever, I'm going to end up sending that company money. And OBSD is going to miss out on that little bit of income.
If I'm not too firmly entrenched in the future, or if I actually learn enough to install OBSD myself then maybe, just maybe I'll give that distro a try.
Too bad:-(
Sukotto
(hmm... that's a little more whiny than I intended)
exercice for sedentary slabs
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The biggest problems being... exercise for the sedentary slabs.
This is problem for me too. Hope they find a solution that doesn't involve going to the gym... Maybe one of those electrode things that supposedly stimulate the muscles while you sit watching tv?
Every time I get a... new version of Microsoft I spend hours... trying to figure out where sh!t is, and frequently pissed off becuase there's only one way to get at something and it's buried (i.e. you have to know where to look.)
I guess I'm going to get Score:0 Flamebait for this...
I recently installed RH7... and I feel much the same way you do about windoze. Trying to figure out where stuff is... you have to know where to look. Yeah sure, I have "find" and other tools (as I slowly learn what they are), but it's still difficult if you are new to it. You are happiest with the one you are most familor with (at least, until you use it for a bit)
Sit them down and show them the work you want them to do. In particular, show them a problem you currently have open and ask how they would approach it... Get them doing the job in the interview.
It doesn't matter if they can answer riddles.
It doesn't matter if they have a shiny resume
It doesn't matter if they know exactly how language X's pre-parser works.
It doesn't even matter if they are a genius prodigy programmer. (seriously)
What matters is that they can (help) solve the kinds of problems your group faces regularly (or expect to face soon).
So try to get them doing that during your interview. If they can, they you have a potential winner and can start thinking about how they would integrate into your group's personality.
Then you have them casually meet their potential co-workers and you can get those people's impression of the candidate.
the last bastion of scifi for people with half a brain - Andromeda
I disagree. Personally, I never really liked Andromeda all that much... It's just a little too slick for me and it doesn't pass the "disbelief" test. I like my scifi to be a little rougher around the edges and a little more realistic (you know what I mean)... I like Farscape way better... imho, it is the best scifi show I've ever seen. (Yeah, go ahead and flame me... I'm wearing my asbestos underwear).
Of course, when I say "the best" I mean overall/on-average... Like all shows it has it's share of ridiculous episodes.
I didn't see this mentioned yet (though I might have missed in the hundreds of posts):-)
The poet Sharon Hopkins has written several poems in perl. Perhaps she'd like to speak on the subject "computer code as art" at the trial?
From "Programming Perl 2nd Ed", Wall et al. (Chapter 8, page 552)
"...the reigning Perl Poet, Sharon Hopkins. She has written quite a few Perl poems, as well as a paper on Perl poetry that she presented at the Usenix Winter 1992 Technical Conference, entitled "Camels and Needles: Computer Poetry Meets the Perl Programming Language". (The paper is available as misc/poetry.ps on CPAN.) Besides being the most prolific Perl poet, Sharon is also the most widely published, having had the following poem published in both the Economist and the Guardian:
#!/usr/bin/perl
APPEAL:
listen (please, please);
open yourself, wide;
join (you, me),
connect (us,together),
tell me.
do something if distressed;
@dawn, dance;
@evening, sing;
read (books,$poems,stories) until peaceful;
study if able;
write me if-you-please;
sort your feelings, reset goals, seek (friends, family, anyone);
do*not*die (like this)
if sin abounds;
keys (hidden), open (locks, doors), tell secrets;
do not, I-beg-you, close them, yet.
accept (yourself, changes),
bind (grief, despair);
require truth, goodness if-you-will, each moment;
select (always), length(of-days)
# listen (a perl poem)
# Sharon Hopkins
# rev. June 19, 1995
Do you have any non-geek interests? Or is there any activity (anything at all) you've ever wanted to try? There are clubs and interest groups for almost any activity you'd care to name. Join one.
The nice things about clubs are that the are group activities, there is usually a mix of people types (from fanatics to those who are just causually interested in the activity). This gives you the chance to meet quite a few people.
some ideas are:
boardgames (chess, go, settlers, etc);
theatre (groups that go to plays and show together);
Volunteer groups ("clean the beach", tutoring, soup kitchens, etc);
Church youth groups;
Universitys and colleges often have a "clubs" list with contact info check it out.
On a related note: Many universitys and colleges have departments that traditionally have a very high girl to guy ratio (nursing, teaching, etc). These departments often have open activities that you can attend to meet women.
Wait a minute.
What about spelling checkers... they use approx matches to find mis-spellings. Doesn't that mean that the "no one has done it before" clause of patents is violated?
Not to mention search engines that find things based on how relevent they are.
They should declare this election a draw and give Clinton another term.:-)
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I gave up too soon. As several people pointed out careful re-reading of the documentation and the use of a d-link router allowed me to do an FTP install.
:-)
One reason I thought I couldn't do a FTP install before was that I'm on DSL with PPPoE. My solution was to hook my box into a dlink router that was already set up to handle the special connection.
So now I have it running on my box and am having fun setting it up as a gateway/firewall. If anyone else is trying the same I suggest this how-to as a good addition to the standard obsd faq: http://real.ath.cx/BSDinstall.html
Thanks all, for the info and kicks in the ass
Sukotto
I recently wiped Win98 off an old deskpro 4000 with the idea that I would make a firewall/router/whatever box (for fun and for my own education).
:-(
I'm a newcomer to bsd/linux and don't really know anything. I've heard that OpenBSD is really good and wanted to try it. Ok great, I'll go to OpenBSD.org, download, burn and install.
wtf? how to I download the iso?
After searching around I saw the entry in the faq that I have to buy it... or I can try to download it myself and figure out what bits go where on the CD. Oh, and the layout (or something) is copywrited so I can't grab it off the net someplace without breaking the law.
Well, I'm sorry guys. I don't know how to do that and the documentation I've seen doesn't tell me enough. I want to learn... but I'd like to do it incrementally, not all up front. So I'll be giving OpenBSD a pass and using something else.
Yeah, I'm sure I'll get at least one flaming response about how the team doesn't have to provide the iso, how they need money to continue development, how it's only $40 for God's sake.
I know all that already.
But I have a choice too. And I'm going to choose a distro I can try before I buy without having to figure out where stuff is supposed to go on the CD and whatever else I have to learn just to install the thing.
It's too bad. I've heard a lot of nice things about OBSD and I want to try it. But I'm going to go with someone else... and if I like FreeBSD, RedHat, or whatever, I'm going to end up sending that company money. And OBSD is going to miss out on that little bit of income.
If I'm not too firmly entrenched in the future, or if I actually learn enough to install OBSD myself then maybe, just maybe I'll give that distro a try.
Too bad
Sukotto
(hmm... that's a little more whiny than I intended)
I wonder what the shortest, legally enforcible disclamer is.
(regardless of how enforcible this one actually is of course)
Similarly in some older versions of Netscape 4
Sukotto
Unfortunately, they'll have to use all those hours in the first month.
I recently installed RH7... and I feel much the same way you do about windoze. Trying to figure out where stuff is... you have to know where to look. Yeah sure, I have "find" and other tools (as I slowly learn what they are), but it's still difficult if you are new to it.
You are happiest with the one you are most familor with (at least, until you use it for a bit)
Sit them down and show them the work you want them to do. In particular, show them a problem you currently have open and ask how they would approach it... Get them doing the job in the interview.
It doesn't matter if they can answer riddles.
It doesn't matter if they have a shiny resume
It doesn't matter if they know exactly how language X's pre-parser works.
It doesn't even matter if they are a genius prodigy programmer. (seriously)
What matters is that they can (help) solve the kinds of problems your group faces regularly (or expect to face soon).
So try to get them doing that during your interview. If they can, they you have a potential winner and can start thinking about how they would integrate into your group's personality.
Then you have them casually meet their potential co-workers and you can get those people's impression of the candidate.
One website I really love is: AskTheHeadhunter
Particularly these articles:
asktheheadhunter.com/harespecting.htm
asktheheadhunter.com/hatenmistakes1.htm
asktheheadhunter.com/hahireright.htm
the last bastion of scifi for people with half a brain - Andromeda
... imho, it is the best scifi show I've ever seen. ... Like all shows it has it's share of ridiculous episodes.
I disagree.
Personally, I never really liked Andromeda all that much... It's just a little too slick for me and it doesn't pass the "disbelief" test. I like my scifi to be a little rougher around the edges and a little more realistic (you know what I mean)... I like Farscape way better
(Yeah, go ahead and flame me... I'm wearing my asbestos underwear).
Of course, when I say "the best" I mean overall/on-average
I didn't see this mentioned yet (though I might have missed in the hundreds of posts) :-)
The poet Sharon Hopkins has written several poems in perl. Perhaps she'd like to speak on the subject "computer code as art" at the trial?
From "Programming Perl 2nd Ed", Wall et al. (Chapter 8, page 552)
"...the reigning Perl Poet, Sharon Hopkins. She has written quite a few Perl poems, as well as a paper on Perl poetry that she presented at the Usenix Winter 1992 Technical Conference, entitled "Camels and Needles: Computer Poetry Meets the Perl Programming Language". (The paper is available as misc/poetry.ps on CPAN.) Besides being the most prolific Perl poet, Sharon is also the most widely published, having had the following poem published in both the Economist and the Guardian:
#!/usr/bin/perl
APPEAL:
listen (please, please);
open yourself, wide;
join (you, me),
connect (us,together),
tell me.
do something if distressed;
@dawn, dance;
@evening, sing;
read (books,$poems,stories) until peaceful;
study if able;
write me if-you-please;
sort your feelings, reset goals, seek (friends, family, anyone);
do*not*die (like this)
if sin abounds;
keys (hidden), open (locks, doors), tell secrets;
do not, I-beg-you, close them, yet.
accept (yourself, changes),
bind (grief, despair);
require truth, goodness if-you-will, each moment;
select (always), length(of-days)
# listen (a perl poem)
# Sharon Hopkins
# rev. June 19, 1995
The group over at Userfriendly have an online personals service called Peer to Peer. Check it out.
Do you have any non-geek interests? Or is there any activity (anything at all) you've ever wanted to try? There are clubs and interest groups for almost any activity you'd care to name. Join one.
The nice things about clubs are that the are group activities, there is usually a mix of people types (from fanatics to those who are just causually interested in the activity). This gives you the chance to meet quite a few people.
some ideas are:
Universitys and colleges often have a "clubs" list with contact info check it out.
On a related note: Many universitys and colleges have departments that traditionally have a very high girl to guy ratio (nursing, teaching, etc). These departments often have open activities that you can attend to meet women.
Well, there's the guy at http://www.betterstarwars.com who's rewriting ST:TPM. I guess that's a start.
To learn more about Myers Brigg and work out your own personality profile check out this page.m pl.htm
http://www.teamtechnology.co.uk/tt/t-articl/mb-si
Wait a minute.
:-)
What about spelling checkers... they use approx matches to find mis-spellings. Doesn't that mean that the "no one has done it before" clause of patents is violated?
Not to mention search engines that find things based on how relevent they are.
They should declare this election a draw and give Clinton another term.
I feel really enthused about the disk and it's potential. But why are they only showing the prototype now? They've had one working for over year...
/99 /1 0/0 4/1124236.shtml
Anyone else remember this article from Oct 99?
http://slashdot.org/articles
I really hope they actually start production on these. wouldn't you love to get one into your TiVo?