The power goes off in the US, and the US grinds to a halt. That's what has US cyber authorities worried. And no, it won't just turn back on. I've posted this elsewhere, but look up Project Aurora. It demonstrated that simple hacking techniques can cause the generators to BLOW THE FUCK UP. You basically send commands to GO FAST then GO SLOW in quick succession. In short order, it tears itself apart. So, not back on in a coupla days. And China makes them. So if they're the ones that turn us off, we may be buying them on their terms.
Oh fuck not you again. Actually I read books. And I sourced them in another post. I was trying to find articles that discussed the points I made. Try reading them and/or being stupid somewhere else. See, I can be snippy too rather than making intelligent points. The blackout was for 3 days and came back on. Project Aurora demonstrated that a simple cyber attack, easily carried out by anyone with minimal haxor skillz, can take power grids offline PERMANENTLY by BLOWING THEM THE FUCK UP. So, no, not back up in 3 days.
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So why do they continue to invoke this stuff? To scare people into putting their organization on the US DoD gravy train.
Or maybe because the professianls who do this for a living know something you don't. Imagine for a second that someone shuts down our power grid, something that is easy to do and has been demonstrated in Project Aurora. Without power, the internet is down. Without the internet, the economy grinds to a halt. No ships coming into port, no planes flying, no gasoline being delivered, no power in hospitals, no 911 calls, no critical infratructure working at all. This is the cyber 9/11 people like us (I work in the intelligence community) are worrying about.
It's time for some new ass-kicking innovations to start, rolling in to bust up these lame trends like The Dude's holy bowling ball towards a bunch of lame duck bowling pins of lametardness.
For a second there, I thought you were BanAnalogyGuy.
They may have been made in the U.S. and Japan in the past, but if you wanted to buy one now (which I think is the relevant question), they are primarily made in China and also India. I read this in Cyber War by Richard Clarke, and also in America the Vulnerable by Joel Brenner. If you have a source that they are made in the U.S. and/or Japan today, please post it.
How about destroying our power network? We discovered in 2009 that China has been infiltrating our power grid and emplacing logic bombs. They could shut down our power, meaning wrecking the generators themselves. We could replace them of course, except that China makes them.
Does taxing liquor mean anyone can sell or buy it without restriction? Tobacco? Cars? If anything, taxing may be the means by which we regulate who can collect how much on whom.
He asked a question, a legitimate one at that. You jumped to the conclusion he was "greenwashed", whatever that means. One of you demonstrates clear thinking.
At the time, a militia was an improvised collection of citizens, drawn together in small towns to defend themselves from the British. The purpose of the 2nd amendment, if you haven't read any of the works of Jefferson and the other founding fathers outside the Constitution, was to allow ordinary citizens the means to defend themselves from an oppressive government. If some "militia" had weapons, but not ordinary citizens, we'd be no better off. Note that the 2nd amendment says nothing about having to be a member of a militia in order to have weapons. It says (paraphrasing, obvs), that in order to have a well regulated militia, ordinary citizens must be able to have weapons, so when we need to form a militia to overthrow an oppressive govt we they already have their own familiar guns. I don't expect you to agree with that sentiment, but you can at least try to understand why the Constitution is written the way it is and appreciate the forces of history behind it.
There's an awful lot of stuff available in publicly available records. They were meant for individuals to come in and request one record at a time, way back in the stone age before computers. Do you think that anything on public record should be published for the world to see? BTW, the reason the article was retracted was because under the new law in New York, it is illegal to publish information on gun owners. So no, not public anymore in that state anyway.
If it's in the public interest to keep those records private, they're going to have to change the law to make it so.
If my neighbor carries loaded guns around I want to know about it.
And I want a pony. The issue is if you have the right to know. He has the constitutional right to those weapons. We may not (yet) have constitutional rights to privacy, but your wanting to know doesn't mean you have to know. Besides, if he has a concealed carry permit, the whole point is that you don't know.
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The power goes off in the US, and the US grinds to a halt. That's what has US cyber authorities worried. And no, it won't just turn back on. I've posted this elsewhere, but look up Project Aurora. It demonstrated that simple hacking techniques can cause the generators to BLOW THE FUCK UP. You basically send commands to GO FAST then GO SLOW in quick succession. In short order, it tears itself apart. So, not back on in a coupla days. And China makes them. So if they're the ones that turn us off, we may be buying them on their terms.
Oh fuck not you again. Actually I read books. And I sourced them in another post. I was trying to find articles that discussed the points I made. Try reading them and/or being stupid somewhere else. See, I can be snippy too rather than making intelligent points. The blackout was for 3 days and came back on. Project Aurora demonstrated that a simple cyber attack, easily carried out by anyone with minimal haxor skillz, can take power grids offline PERMANENTLY by BLOWING THEM THE FUCK UP. So, no, not back up in 3 days.
So why do they continue to invoke this stuff? To scare people into putting their organization on the US DoD gravy train.
Or maybe because the professianls who do this for a living know something you don't. Imagine for a second that someone shuts down our power grid, something that is easy to do and has been demonstrated in Project Aurora. Without power, the internet is down. Without the internet, the economy grinds to a halt. No ships coming into port, no planes flying, no gasoline being delivered, no power in hospitals, no 911 calls, no critical infratructure working at all. This is the cyber 9/11 people like us (I work in the intelligence community) are worrying about.
It's time for some new ass-kicking innovations to start, rolling in to bust up these lame trends like The Dude's holy bowling ball towards a bunch of lame duck bowling pins of lametardness.
For a second there, I thought you were BanAnalogyGuy.
4gb should be enough for anyone.
No no, don't get up. I can show myself out.
That guy has way too much free time.
No, he doesn't, because he spends it all on projects like this!
But which team is Steam on?
Did we get struck twice in 775? I bet samzenpus knows.
http://news.slashdot.org/story/12/06/04/1147201/what-struck-earth-in-775
The subtitle of that article said it, but for some reason they left it out of the body. Here's a better article.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123914805204099085.html
I don't think you read enough news.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/5126584/China-and-Russia-hack-into-US-power-grid.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/5126584/China-and-Russia-hack-into-US-power-grid.html
You were saying?
They may have been made in the U.S. and Japan in the past, but if you wanted to buy one now (which I think is the relevant question), they are primarily made in China and also India. I read this in Cyber War by Richard Clarke, and also in America the Vulnerable by Joel Brenner. If you have a source that they are made in the U.S. and/or Japan today, please post it.
What, did you just start reading today?
How about destroying our power network? We discovered in 2009 that China has been infiltrating our power grid and emplacing logic bombs. They could shut down our power, meaning wrecking the generators themselves. We could replace them of course, except that China makes them.
More like MetroMan's from MegaMind. There's a model of his quadruple helix DNA in the Hall of Heroes.
Does taxing liquor mean anyone can sell or buy it without restriction? Tobacco? Cars? If anything, taxing may be the means by which we regulate who can collect how much on whom.
He asked a question, a legitimate one at that. You jumped to the conclusion he was "greenwashed", whatever that means. One of you demonstrates clear thinking.
At the time, a militia was an improvised collection of citizens, drawn together in small towns to defend themselves from the British. The purpose of the 2nd amendment, if you haven't read any of the works of Jefferson and the other founding fathers outside the Constitution, was to allow ordinary citizens the means to defend themselves from an oppressive government. If some "militia" had weapons, but not ordinary citizens, we'd be no better off. Note that the 2nd amendment says nothing about having to be a member of a militia in order to have weapons. It says (paraphrasing, obvs), that in order to have a well regulated militia, ordinary citizens must be able to have weapons, so when we need to form a militia to overthrow an oppressive govt we they already have their own familiar guns. I don't expect you to agree with that sentiment, but you can at least try to understand why the Constitution is written the way it is and appreciate the forces of history behind it.
Free is just another word for socialist!
Thank you so much for that terrible analogy.
Now you've got an AR15 and I've got a computer. Stop whining.
Damn, I wish I had a computer too. That would make it easier to whine on slashdot.
Maybe we should bring up to the cowboy era first, then worry about bringing it up to date.
If it's in the public interest to keep those records private, they're going to have to change the law to make it so.
Good point.
If my neighbor carries loaded guns around I want to know about it.
And I want a pony. The issue is if you have the right to know. He has the constitutional right to those weapons. We may not (yet) have constitutional rights to privacy, but your wanting to know doesn't mean you have to know. Besides, if he has a concealed carry permit, the whole point is that you don't know.
And rob unarmed people everywhere else.