While the black Monday point total is true, I coulda swore I heard on NPR that as a percentage, it was smaller than on Black Monday. Regardless, I still find it non-/.-news-worthy. (Not griping AT senior Taco, I'm agreeing WITH senior Taco) I find the whole DJIA/NASDQ/etc. etc. thing to be, hmmmm (looking for the right words) a combination of uninteresting and weird. I read somewhere that if you substitued something like 5 large companies for another set of 5 companies in the DJIA the crash in the 20's didn't happen. i.e. the DJIA would NOT have crashed (of course, those 5 compaines may very well have) - it seemed to hint at the whole perception drives truth thing - people saw the DJIA tanking, so they bailed, which of course made it tank worse, so it spread, yada yada yada. Don't flame if I'm wrong on specifics (you are, of course, welcome to if I am totally in left field), cuz I'm just not interested in it enough to investigate it deeper than the generalities...
their marketing spin on **this** little darlin'. They have somehow convinced the ingorant-at-large that they are security concious enough to warrant using (you don't have to like it, but you can't argue that there aren't a lot of them out there..). Well, this one seems a bit too big of a turd for them to just wax over - anxiously awaiting further news....
OK, So I'm "OK" with the Birth of the Federation idea, but I would like the whole Excelsior/Captain Sulu MUCH better (if properly done, of course). Anyone have any news of a mass-email campaign I could join???
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr did you read the part about lifting weights like a freak!?!?!?!? i sort of have to sign off cuz it's late local time and i am totally pissing off my wife who is in bed. but I AM TELLING YOU IT WORKED (sorry for yelling) we sound so similiar (no time to elaborate or i'm divorced) anyways, i'll poke around on here tomorrow am to see if i can email or something......
ok - i'll fess up - i'm diagnosed (get this) manic. they say i'm m-d but stuck in the manic phase. my natural body clock is on something like a 48-72 hour day. ***i*** currently treat this with alcohol. (wow, bearing the soul here) wanna know what fixed this for _me_ a few years ago??? (since given it up due to too many hours at work, so the alcohol thing) lifting weights like a mad-man. yup - believe it or not, i had a job that i could consistently get off at 5:00pm, i would go lift weights like a freak after work- i am being TOTALLY serious. i did this for almost a year and that is the only year in my entire life that my brain/body functioned on a 24 hour clock. being stuck manic means i could be a bit more, ummm, intense in my workouts. dude (dudette?) - if your professional/private life permits, GIVE IT A TRY. i think what happened is that i made my body so friggin tired that my brain had no choice but to comply. My manic-damn-brain has existed for 32 years - there is exactly 12 months during that time that i felt wonderful, maintained a 24 hour body-clock, and was just generally very happy with myself and the world. give it a thought????
hit close to home. ok, if you manic/depressive doubters want some empirical evidence go look in the Orlando Florida newspapers around 1986/87. Look for a story about a 17 year old girl who very publicly shot herself with her dad's.357 magnum. That girl would have been *my* girlfriend at the time. She was diagnosed manic/depressive, and was prescribed litium. When she took her lithium, she was fine (maybe I'm arrogant defining the term like that, tough shit. I was there, you weren't). Not drugged, not spaced, just totally normal. You would have never thought a thing unless you happened to see her take her pills. She was so normal (oft abused word, I know, but the general meaning applies) that she would wonder why the hell she needed to take the durn pills and inevetibaly (-5 pts for spelling) QUIT taking them, this is what happened when I got to watch her shoot herself at the ripe old age of 17 (after pointing the gun at me, which got oddly less traumatic after the end result) So - I have seen it, up close, in your face, and graphically. If you wanna think she was just "weak" or otherwise normal and just "stressed out" or something, you are Flat Wrong(tm). I genuinely hope this fella (who started this thread) can go on. I admit I don't know what it feels like, but I know what it LOOKS like. It made no sense to me - but guess what? I'm (nor you) are the ones it needs to make sense TO, I would also opine that it probably doesn't make sense to those suffering from m-d. Anyways, to the arrogant pricks who are saying stuff like "m-d is bs, you're just weak and can't take it" You have no idea how wrong you are.
Assuming that Linux virii are NOT impossible to make (and I think they aren't) doesn't this sort of imply that while A)you won't have a large number of them like on MS Crapdows (I would opine that Windows itself is a freakin virus) B)the ones that DO pop up on Linux will be doozies....
"How can they get away with this stuff?" (btw I work for Compaq;-) )well, lets say we started using generic RAM (it all is nowadays, isn't it?) and we had a problem. If they found out about the "wrong" (in quotes becasue "their" ram is industry standard third party OEM stuff)RAM in it, you'd dislocate your eyeballs watching all the fingerpointing that would ensue, and it would take *2* forevers to get the thing fixed, and only AFTER you pulled the RAM and replaced it with Cisco's. So, if you want your warranty to not get voided or your support contract to become worthless, better use "their" RAM
"They have certification programs that are very similar to Microsoft certification programs " With one significant exception - CCIE is one studmuffin of a cert. This is the ONLY cert (maybe ICE?) that's worth a damn (MCSE was always a joke, CNE used to not be a joke but today it is) CCIE's are some of the most knowledgeable/experienced folks I have ever met.
and I mean a TON of them (literally thousands) I can tell you a few things. * They make pretty good stuff * They have no qualms about yanking the carpet out from under you future support-wise (i.e. totally dropping an architecture thus necessitating a sooner than expected hardware upgrade) * They WAY overprice commodity stuff. For instance, when we did some wide-ranging "Y2K" upgrades reccomended by them, I took my $600.00usd Cisco 64MB DRAM DIMM and stuck it in my workstation - worked fine. I then did the opposite, fine as well. * They seem to be EOL (end-of-life) happy. Just when a model starts getting established in our network (as big as it is it takes a while) they will start the EOL process on the friggin thing. * They have EXCELLENT uptime. I can't ever think of one of these (despite literally being a computer/OS) hanging, and we have some of these (those in locations not requiring following their dizzying upgrade path) with uptimes measured in _years_. The ones with uptimes NOT measured in years are that way through no fault of Cisco's (well, I guess "technical" fault is better. When you had to upgrade the thing because they EOL'ed that model, that's sort of their fault, right?) Summary: good stuff, expensive stuff ($600.00 for a $100.00 DIMM sucks)
I usually think the ACLU are (is?) a bunch of whiners looking for any excuse to say "you're violating that person's rights!!". But, (I hope this doesn't make me a hypocrite) I can easily subscribe to the age old "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." Go kick some major legal butt ACLU!!! (maybe I'll have to start mirroring this code as well as the decss stuff in my sig)
But Tim Burton's whole style results in movies that I just don't enjoy watching. I hope this remake doesn't end up ruining a series, that for some corny reason, I really enjoy....
finding *qualified* people is a real bear. I think a large part of the problem is MCSE and even CNE certs are jokes nowdays (OK, MCSE *always* was, but CNE used to be a little worthwhile). Most IT folks go gunning for these, end up learning how to pass the tests, and NOT how to actually do the work, and the talent pool just gets diluted. Some managers at the company I work for are getting so desperate they're offering key spots to college grads with no experience (I'm NOT knocking college grads).
to allow cookies to be set only at specific domains (i.e./.). The hosts idea works, but keeps you from getting to the site at all, right? I have some sites I wanna go to, but I don't want them to set cookies. Netscape's "only to the originating server" is sort of heading there in a meek way. The feature I most want in a browser is to have a "cookies permitted" field, because right now I have to get prompted for every friggin one to get the same functionality....
OK - Item number 1 (actually the 2nd item) dealt exclusively with source code. Do you have to be a programmer to be a player in this game? I hope not, I gave up programming about 10 years ago, I really got tired of dreaming about the code I was currently working on. I've now moved on to other things (project management, specifically) but I still love the whole Open Source/Linux thing. What percentage of/. 'ers are actually programmers? Would this make a decent poll?
most people give them credit for - IMNSHO - these guys have, arguably, one of the toughest jobs on the planet - and while they certainly aren't the epitome of efficiency, they pull off some impressive stuff. Think about all the stumbling blocks in their way - CONSTANT media scrutiny, government beurocracy (ok, i totally spelled that wrong), budget constantly getting jacked around by congress. I'm certainly not implying that there's not considerable room for improvement, but given the fact that the deck is TOTALLY stacked against them, I think they do a better job than most people give them credit....
please add to my comment - I heard first hand from someone a lot smarter and more informed than myself that Red Hat was somehow getting some bad press over this expo, and that's why they cut and run. Anyone else hear this?
Wow - I am ashamed to admit I didn't see this one coming - looking back, I should have. First/vent on - "They are the best trained group of networking professionals on the planet" TOTAL horseshit./vent off - Now, in my **extensive** networking experience, a ***vast*** majority of MCSE's are jokes. (note I said in *my* experience) If you are NOT one of these MSCE's, don't flame me. You deserve respect. You have somehow managed to gain valuable and worthwhile knowledge, despite having subscribed to one of the planets more pathetic excuses of a certification.
"You requested that I send this request in writing" and that's what he did. I don't see the word lawsuit anywhere, although, admittedly, the letter is from their head counsel. It just seems that we're reacting to what will *probably* happen, and not to what has happened so far. I'm gonna go back to snorting my laundry detergent now....
Natural evolution - it seems to me that the good ideas will naturally rise to the top. With no Borg-like organization steering the development to where it is the most profitable, it seems that on the whole, this will just naturally get better. Sure, some good ideas won't make it, and some bad ones will, but overall, I think Darwinism will prevail here. My mother - I used to be convinced that it would a looooong time before I could ever get my mother (fill in *your* typical home user here) to abandon the dreaded Winblows (tm)(r)(c) - after watching her for the past few months (she's been "connected" for only a few months now) I realize I was wrong. And believe me am I glad to be coming to this realization. To say she's fed up with Winblows flakiness is an understatement. If someone ever finally makes a Linux distro easy enough for my mother to install, she'll be there. I cannot count how many times; now that she's competent and brave enough to venture out into uncharted territories; she has told me "I clicked here, did this, and WHAM it does (add goofy unstable behaviour of your choice here)!!!"
Sheesh - go look at this and see that Mhz nowdays (has it ever?) is irrelevant. A 733 Intel CPU gets a rating of 336 while an Alpha 667 get 413!!! And I forgot where I saw it, but Intel says the 1Ghz rates a 410 on this. STILL lower than the 667 Alpha. (on par, but lower)Total marketing BS. I'll admit the speed wars are great, but let's remember what Intel ISN't telling you - that they HAVE to run their chips faster because they're inherently slower designs (sorry for the rant)
but after *I* read this thing, I am very impressed. With this law? NO. With the fact that the American Government manages to get ANYTHING done, good or bad. YES. Jeez-o-pizza, go look at the thing. I am no longer shocked that Clinton, on record, said "it depends on what the definition of 'is' is." This is what happens when the inmates run the assylums. It seems to me that this is squarely the result of a system that A)is created by lawyers B)argued by lawyers and C)judged by lawyers.
considering that I could already get a 1Ghz Athlon from Kryotech here kind of blunts the excitement for me. Admittedly, it was spendy, and they had to chill the thing to like -40C, but it was shipping. I wonder why AMD didn't flaunt this little gem more while they had the chance?
Anyone consider that the wide-spread adoption of this putrid law could give open source a serious shot in the arm? (i.e. be a Good Thing for open source) This may be all the nudge a lot of companies need to give up on M$ and other closed-source/proprietary crap. Lessee, I'm a CIO/IS manager type, I need a new app/OS/whatever, M$ licensing says after I buy/install it, if I make them mad, they can remotely nuke my box until I give in. GPL stuff says "Here, take it, play with it, poke at it" I think I'd try and make the GPL stuff do what I needed. Is this a valid point or do I need to stay away from the oven cleaner?
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While the black Monday point total is true, I coulda swore I heard on NPR that as a percentage, it was smaller than on Black Monday. Regardless, I still find it non-/.-news-worthy. (Not griping AT senior Taco, I'm agreeing WITH senior Taco) I find the whole DJIA/NASDQ/etc. etc. thing to be, hmmmm (looking for the right words) a combination of uninteresting and weird. I read somewhere that if you substitued something like 5 large companies for another set of 5 companies in the DJIA the crash in the 20's didn't happen. i.e. the DJIA would NOT have crashed (of course, those 5 compaines may very well have) - it seemed to hint at the whole perception drives truth thing - people saw the DJIA tanking, so they bailed, which of course made it tank worse, so it spread, yada yada yada. Don't flame if I'm wrong on specifics (you are, of course, welcome to if I am totally in left field), cuz I'm just not interested in it enough to investigate it deeper than the generalities...
their marketing spin on **this** little darlin'. They have somehow convinced the ingorant-at-large that they are security concious enough to warrant using (you don't have to like it, but you can't argue that there aren't a lot of them out there..). Well, this one seems a bit too big of a turd for them to just wax over - anxiously awaiting further news....
OK, So I'm "OK" with the Birth of the Federation idea, but I would like the whole Excelsior/Captain Sulu MUCH better (if properly done, of course). Anyone have any news of a mass-email campaign I could join???
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr did you read the part about lifting weights like a freak!?!?!?!? i sort of have to sign off cuz it's late local time and i am totally pissing off my wife who is in bed. but I AM TELLING YOU IT WORKED (sorry for yelling) we sound so similiar (no time to elaborate or i'm divorced) anyways, i'll poke around on here tomorrow am to see if i can email or something......
ok - i'll fess up - i'm diagnosed (get this) manic. they say i'm m-d but stuck in the manic phase. my natural body clock is on something like a 48-72 hour day. ***i*** currently treat this with alcohol. (wow, bearing the soul here) wanna know what fixed this for _me_ a few years ago??? (since given it up due to too many hours at work, so the alcohol thing) lifting weights like a mad-man. yup - believe it or not, i had a job that i could consistently get off at 5:00pm, i would go lift weights like a freak after work- i am being TOTALLY serious. i did this for almost a year and that is the only year in my entire life that my brain/body functioned on a 24 hour clock. being stuck manic means i could be a bit more, ummm, intense in my workouts. dude (dudette?) - if your professional/private life permits, GIVE IT A TRY. i think what happened is that i made my body so friggin tired that my brain had no choice but to comply. My manic-damn-brain has existed for 32 years - there is exactly 12 months during that time that i felt wonderful, maintained a 24 hour body-clock, and was just generally very happy with myself and the world. give it a thought????
may seem obvious, but have you tried lithium? Worked WONDERS on my girlfriend when she'd actually take it....
hit close to home. ok, if you manic/depressive doubters want some empirical evidence go look in the Orlando Florida newspapers around 1986/87. Look for a story about a 17 year old girl who very publicly shot herself with her dad's .357 magnum. That girl would have been *my* girlfriend at the time. She was diagnosed manic/depressive, and was prescribed litium. When she took her lithium, she was fine (maybe I'm arrogant defining the term like that, tough shit. I was there, you weren't). Not drugged, not spaced, just totally normal. You would have never thought a thing unless you happened to see her take her pills. She was so normal (oft abused word, I know, but the general meaning applies) that she would wonder why the hell she needed to take the durn pills and inevetibaly (-5 pts for spelling) QUIT taking them, this is what happened when I got to watch her shoot herself at the ripe old age of 17 (after pointing the gun at me, which got oddly less traumatic after the end result) So - I have seen it, up close, in your face, and graphically. If you wanna think she was just "weak" or otherwise normal and just "stressed out" or something, you are Flat Wrong(tm). I genuinely hope this fella (who started this thread) can go on. I admit I don't know what it feels like, but I know what it LOOKS like. It made no sense to me - but guess what? I'm (nor you) are the ones it needs to make sense TO, I would also opine that it probably doesn't make sense to those suffering from m-d. Anyways, to the arrogant pricks who are saying stuff like "m-d is bs, you're just weak and can't take it" You have no idea how wrong you are.
Assuming that Linux virii are NOT impossible to make (and I think they aren't) doesn't this sort of imply that while A)you won't have a large number of them like on MS Crapdows (I would opine that Windows itself is a freakin virus) B)the ones that DO pop up on Linux will be doozies....
"How can they get away with this stuff?" (btw I work for Compaq ;-) )well, lets say we started using generic RAM (it all is nowadays, isn't it?) and we had a problem. If they found out about the "wrong" (in quotes becasue "their" ram is industry standard third party OEM stuff)RAM in it, you'd dislocate your eyeballs watching all the fingerpointing that would ensue, and it would take *2* forevers to get the thing fixed, and only AFTER you pulled the RAM and replaced it with Cisco's. So, if you want your warranty to not get voided or your support contract to become worthless, better use "their" RAM
"They have certification programs that are very similar to Microsoft certification programs " With one significant exception - CCIE is one studmuffin of a cert. This is the ONLY cert (maybe ICE?) that's worth a damn (MCSE was always a joke, CNE used to not be a joke but today it is) CCIE's are some of the most knowledgeable/experienced folks I have ever met.
and I mean a TON of them (literally thousands) I can tell you a few things. * They make pretty good stuff * They have no qualms about yanking the carpet out from under you future support-wise (i.e. totally dropping an architecture thus necessitating a sooner than expected hardware upgrade) * They WAY overprice commodity stuff. For instance, when we did some wide-ranging "Y2K" upgrades reccomended by them, I took my $600.00usd Cisco 64MB DRAM DIMM and stuck it in my workstation - worked fine. I then did the opposite, fine as well. * They seem to be EOL (end-of-life) happy. Just when a model starts getting established in our network (as big as it is it takes a while) they will start the EOL process on the friggin thing. * They have EXCELLENT uptime. I can't ever think of one of these (despite literally being a computer/OS) hanging, and we have some of these (those in locations not requiring following their dizzying upgrade path) with uptimes measured in _years_. The ones with uptimes NOT measured in years are that way through no fault of Cisco's (well, I guess "technical" fault is better. When you had to upgrade the thing because they EOL'ed that model, that's sort of their fault, right?) Summary: good stuff, expensive stuff ($600.00 for a $100.00 DIMM sucks)
I usually think the ACLU are (is?) a bunch of whiners looking for any excuse to say "you're violating that person's rights!!". But, (I hope this doesn't make me a hypocrite) I can easily subscribe to the age old "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." Go kick some major legal butt ACLU!!! (maybe I'll have to start mirroring this code as well as the decss stuff in my sig)
But Tim Burton's whole style results in movies that I just don't enjoy watching. I hope this remake doesn't end up ruining a series, that for some corny reason, I really enjoy....
finding *qualified* people is a real bear. I think a large part of the problem is MCSE and even CNE certs are jokes nowdays (OK, MCSE *always* was, but CNE used to be a little worthwhile). Most IT folks go gunning for these, end up learning how to pass the tests, and NOT how to actually do the work, and the talent pool just gets diluted. Some managers at the company I work for are getting so desperate they're offering key spots to college grads with no experience (I'm NOT knocking college grads).
to allow cookies to be set only at specific domains (i.e. /.). The hosts idea works, but keeps you from getting to the site at all, right? I have some sites I wanna go to, but I don't want them to set cookies. Netscape's "only to the originating server" is sort of heading there in a meek way. The feature I most want in a browser is to have a "cookies permitted" field, because right now I have to get prompted for every friggin one to get the same functionality....
OK - Item number 1 (actually the 2nd item) dealt exclusively with source code. Do you have to be a programmer to be a player in this game? I hope not, I gave up programming about 10 years ago, I really got tired of dreaming about the code I was currently working on. I've now moved on to other things (project management, specifically) but I still love the whole Open Source/Linux thing. What percentage of /. 'ers are actually programmers? Would this make a decent poll?
most people give them credit for - IMNSHO - these guys have, arguably, one of the toughest jobs on the planet - and while they certainly aren't the epitome of efficiency, they pull off some impressive stuff. Think about all the stumbling blocks in their way - CONSTANT media scrutiny, government beurocracy (ok, i totally spelled that wrong), budget constantly getting jacked around by congress. I'm certainly not implying that there's not considerable room for improvement, but given the fact that the deck is TOTALLY stacked against them, I think they do a better job than most people give them credit....
please add to my comment - I heard first hand from someone a lot smarter and more informed than myself that Red Hat was somehow getting some bad press over this expo, and that's why they cut and run. Anyone else hear this?
Wow - I am ashamed to admit I didn't see this one coming - looking back, I should have. First /vent on - "They are the best trained group of networking professionals on the planet" TOTAL horseshit. /vent off - Now, in my **extensive** networking experience, a ***vast*** majority of MCSE's are jokes. (note I said in *my* experience) If you are NOT one of these MSCE's, don't flame me. You deserve respect. You have somehow managed to gain valuable and worthwhile knowledge, despite having subscribed to one of the planets more pathetic excuses of a certification.
"You requested that I send this request in writing" and that's what he did. I don't see the word lawsuit anywhere, although, admittedly, the letter is from their head counsel. It just seems that we're reacting to what will *probably* happen, and not to what has happened so far. I'm gonna go back to snorting my laundry detergent now....
Natural evolution - it seems to me that the good ideas will naturally rise to the top. With no Borg-like organization steering the development to where it is the most profitable, it seems that on the whole, this will just naturally get better. Sure, some good ideas won't make it, and some bad ones will, but overall, I think Darwinism will prevail here. My mother - I used to be convinced that it would a looooong time before I could ever get my mother (fill in *your* typical home user here) to abandon the dreaded Winblows (tm)(r)(c) - after watching her for the past few months (she's been "connected" for only a few months now) I realize I was wrong. And believe me am I glad to be coming to this realization. To say she's fed up with Winblows flakiness is an understatement. If someone ever finally makes a Linux distro easy enough for my mother to install, she'll be there. I cannot count how many times; now that she's competent and brave enough to venture out into uncharted territories; she has told me "I clicked here, did this, and WHAM it does (add goofy unstable behaviour of your choice here)!!!"
Sheesh - go look at this and see that Mhz nowdays (has it ever?) is irrelevant. A 733 Intel CPU gets a rating of 336 while an Alpha 667 get 413!!! And I forgot where I saw it, but Intel says the 1Ghz rates a 410 on this. STILL lower than the 667 Alpha. (on par, but lower)Total marketing BS. I'll admit the speed wars are great, but let's remember what Intel ISN't telling you - that they HAVE to run their chips faster because they're inherently slower designs (sorry for the rant)
but after *I* read this thing, I am very impressed. With this law? NO. With the fact that the American Government manages to get ANYTHING done, good or bad. YES. Jeez-o-pizza, go look at the thing. I am no longer shocked that Clinton, on record, said "it depends on what the definition of 'is' is." This is what happens when the inmates run the assylums. It seems to me that this is squarely the result of a system that A)is created by lawyers B)argued by lawyers and C)judged by lawyers.
considering that I could already get a 1Ghz Athlon from Kryotech here kind of blunts the excitement for me. Admittedly, it was spendy, and they had to chill the thing to like -40C, but it was shipping. I wonder why AMD didn't flaunt this little gem more while they had the chance?
Anyone consider that the wide-spread adoption of this putrid law could give open source a serious shot in the arm? (i.e. be a Good Thing for open source) This may be all the nudge a lot of companies need to give up on M$ and other closed-source/proprietary crap. Lessee, I'm a CIO/IS manager type, I need a new app/OS/whatever, M$ licensing says after I buy/install it, if I make them mad, they can remotely nuke my box until I give in. GPL stuff says "Here, take it, play with it, poke at it" I think I'd try and make the GPL stuff do what I needed. Is this a valid point or do I need to stay away from the oven cleaner?