there should be penalties for each day the product is delayed (maybe retail cost * 1000 or something like that).
And who should enforce these penalties? An overpowerful government that is suddenly in control of the software market? Sorry...that's probably not what you want. If you can't deal with release dealys, then don't read the pre-release announcements and find yourself pleasently suprised when you browse the shelves of your local CompUSA. (Windows.NET? I didn't know they were making Windows.NET)
<rant>At the risk of getting marked flamebait, it's sometimes sickening to see the knee-jerk anti-Microsoft reaction around here. How many posts of "Nooooo" are there in this thread? What possible harm does this do to Linux in general, or you in particular. Just because Office might work under Linux, nobody is going to force you to buy and use it. I personally can't stand StarOffice, but when Sun announced the GPLing of it, I wasn't posting "Nooooo....say it isn't so" all over that thread. Sometimes the people who read this website and post to it need to get over their biases and sort out the facts.</rant>
Outside the legal profession PerfectOffice users are about as likely to upgrade to MS Office as they are to buy the newest version of PerfectOffice
I am not in the legal profession, and I am a devoted fan of WordPerfect. I will not use MS Word for anything, and that is not because of an anti-microsoft bias. I can actually appreciate what they've done with Windows (it may not be the most stable, but can you name a better OS for e-mail and letter writing for grandma?). WordPerfect is much better than Word.....when I build people computers, I offer to buy them a copy of the WordPerfect office suite for them for free and put it on their computer, or they can pay me to install MS Office. More often than not, when my clients get used to WordPerfect, they will not go back to MS Office.
What I'm trying to say here, in a long winded kinda way, is simply that WordPerfect users are a lot more loyal than you may think
Does anybody know why lawyers are so addicted to WordPerfect? Is it just because the first judge to get an office suite went Corel and everyone had to follow along, or is there a more logical explanation?
I don't know, but if it was the first judge, he would have bought WordPerfect from the WordPerfect coroporation. They were their own company until the mid 1990's, when they sold to Novell and everybody thought that Novell was gonna be a big Microsoft killer. I believe that Novell then acquired Quattro from Borland, and sold the whole suite to Corel around 1997.
Right, we didn't see widespread 32 bit adoption until around the time of the Pentium, but that was when the compilers changed their defaults. Like I said in the parent post, when compilers start outputting 64 bit code, most people aren't going to force it back to "32 bit compatibility mode".
Just one more thought...concatinating the title of the post and the first sentance:
Shouldn't be too long after that the rest of the distro's get support for it as well
I would think that the Sledgehammer modifications would be kernel patches. So once Linus adopts the patches, all the distros should have them at the same time.
Well, 32 bit x86 machines will run 16 bit x86 apps also, however people don't write 16 bit apps anymore. When 64 bit becomes the standard, the compilers will default to 64 bit code, then people will not write 32 bit anymore (at least not unless they need to use it in special situations)
"Hopefully by the end of next year I'll be running dual-core 1.5Ghz(at least) Sledgehammer with Linux on it"
Mental note: Remember to start very successful geek-news website, and sell to Andover.net in order to have enough money to afford dual-core 1.5Ghz(at least) Sledgehammer machine
Here is another story about this over at The Register. My question through this whole thing (since the announced GPLing of StarOffice) is, what is going to happen to the Gnome Office? I personally like Gnumeric much better than the Star Office Spreadsheet.....is there space for two office suites in the world of Gnome?
I don't want to start the usual, "if you don't like it, fix it" flamewar here. But I am curious. How many people have contributed code to the project? Is it still being worked on almost solely by AOL/Netscape engineers, or are a lot of open-sourcers involved?
That's sorta the way Slackware works. They always have their CURRENT directory up-to-date with the latest releases. Then when it comes time for Slack 7.1 or whatever, they package up CURRENT.
When I was faced with what WM to choose for our X workstations
Not to nit-pick, but neither KDE nor GNOME are window managers. GNOME currently comes with Sawfish as its window manager, and I believe (although I may be wrong) that KDE ships with KWM as a window manager. Both desktop environments allow the user to change the window manager to any other that their heart desires.
Actually I don't think this is much of a concern. Open source developers tend to work on projects that they find interesting. I think that these types of projects will attract different developers. However, I think that people working on the kernel and people working on the *BSD kernels are taken from the same pool. So, by following that logic, this may impact PostgreSQL, MySQL, and mSQL. However, I don't think that this is much of a concern anyway, as each of those products has a company backing them up and providing developers.
I am just about to roll out a pretty big database application for a school I work at. I was using MySQL as the back end. There is a discussion above that states that Interbase is as fast as MySQL. Does anyone know how they compare in terms of stability? There is one mention of Interbase crashing every 3 months. This is obviously not A Good Thing (tm).
I am a bit concerned about the MPL and how long it has taken for the Mozilla builds to be released; I know they essentially had to rewrite the entire code base, but two years? Come on.
Perhaps I'm missing something here, but how does the MPL have anything to do with the Mozilla delay?
The embedded space is only going to get bigger, and it needs a small, stable, fast, and standards-compliant browser. Mozilla can deliver on those promises.
Not to be picky, but have you ever actually used Mozilla? I have a Pentium-90 with 32 MB of RAM that I built out of parts that friends were going to junk. The point was to make a completely free computer, and I did. I run Linux on it, and most of the time I have no problem being as productive, or even more productive than I am on my Pentium II-333 128MB Windows machine. The only thing I use Windows for is games and web browsing because Mozilla simply runs unacceptably slowly on that Pentium machine. In it's current state, it is not even close to an embeddable-application.
Umm....welll....uhhh.....because I manually copy the make executable to the current directory before every build? Uhhh....yeah, that's it..... Good point..sig fixed.
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My sentiments exactly....do you know if IE 5 runs under WINE?
And who should enforce these penalties? An overpowerful government that is suddenly in control of the software market? Sorry...that's probably not what you want. If you can't deal with release dealys, then don't read the pre-release announcements and find yourself pleasently suprised when you browse the shelves of your local CompUSA. (Windows.NET? I didn't know they were making Windows.NET)
<rant>At the risk of getting marked flamebait, it's sometimes sickening to see the knee-jerk anti-Microsoft reaction around here. How many posts of "Nooooo" are there in this thread? What possible harm does this do to Linux in general, or you in particular. Just because Office might work under Linux, nobody is going to force you to buy and use it. I personally can't stand StarOffice, but when Sun announced the GPLing of it, I wasn't posting "Nooooo....say it isn't so" all over that thread. Sometimes the people who read this website and post to it need to get over their biases and sort out the facts.</rant>
Surely you jest? You have not had time over the last 8 years to save up for a plane ticket?
....will there be WINE?
ha ha ha ha....err, I guess I need more sleep. Sorry guys.
I am not in the legal profession, and I am a devoted fan of WordPerfect. I will not use MS Word for anything, and that is not because of an anti-microsoft bias. I can actually appreciate what they've done with Windows (it may not be the most stable, but can you name a better OS for e-mail and letter writing for grandma?). WordPerfect is much better than Word.....when I build people computers, I offer to buy them a copy of the WordPerfect office suite for them for free and put it on their computer, or they can pay me to install MS Office. More often than not, when my clients get used to WordPerfect, they will not go back to MS Office.
What I'm trying to say here, in a long winded kinda way, is simply that WordPerfect users are a lot more loyal than you may think
I don't know, but if it was the first judge, he would have bought WordPerfect from the WordPerfect coroporation. They were their own company until the mid 1990's, when they sold to Novell and everybody thought that Novell was gonna be a big Microsoft killer. I believe that Novell then acquired Quattro from Borland, and sold the whole suite to Corel around 1997.
...as a shareholder I whole-heartedly agree ;-)
The ATI Radeon DDR has both HDTV and DVD support.
I'm with you. Just upgraded to the ATI Radeon DDR, and couldn't be happier.
Right, we didn't see widespread 32 bit adoption until around the time of the Pentium, but that was when the compilers changed their defaults. Like I said in the parent post, when compilers start outputting 64 bit code, most people aren't going to force it back to "32 bit compatibility mode".
Shouldn't be too long after that the rest of the distro's get support for it as well
I would think that the Sledgehammer modifications would be kernel patches. So once Linus adopts the patches, all the distros should have them at the same time.
Well, 32 bit x86 machines will run 16 bit x86 apps also, however people don't write 16 bit apps anymore. When 64 bit becomes the standard, the compilers will default to 64 bit code, then people will not write 32 bit anymore (at least not unless they need to use it in special situations)
Mental note: Remember to start very successful geek-news website, and sell to Andover.net in order to have enough money to afford dual-core 1.5Ghz(at least) Sledgehammer machine
At worst it will end up another Mozilla....
Here is another story about this over at The Register. My question through this whole thing (since the announced GPLing of StarOffice) is, what is going to happen to the Gnome Office? I personally like Gnumeric much better than the Star Office Spreadsheet.....is there space for two office suites in the world of Gnome?
Ha ha ha ha ha....I must be really tired, but this department line just made me crack up out loud right here at work!
I'm with you, but it'd be cool if there was plexiglass covering the sides (except for the fan side of course)
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Not to nit-pick, but neither KDE nor GNOME are window managers. GNOME currently comes with Sawfish as its window manager, and I believe (although I may be wrong) that KDE ships with KWM as a window manager. Both desktop environments allow the user to change the window manager to any other that their heart desires.
Actually I don't think this is much of a concern. Open source developers tend to work on projects that they find interesting. I think that these types of projects will attract different developers. However, I think that people working on the kernel and people working on the *BSD kernels are taken from the same pool. So, by following that logic, this may impact PostgreSQL, MySQL, and mSQL. However, I don't think that this is much of a concern anyway, as each of those products has a company backing them up and providing developers.
I am just about to roll out a pretty big database application for a school I work at. I was using MySQL as the back end. There is a discussion above that states that Interbase is as fast as MySQL. Does anyone know how they compare in terms of stability? There is one mention of Interbase crashing every 3 months. This is obviously not A Good Thing (tm).
Perhaps I'm missing something here, but how does the MPL have anything to do with the Mozilla delay?
Not to be picky, but have you ever actually used Mozilla? I have a Pentium-90 with 32 MB of RAM that I built out of parts that friends were going to junk. The point was to make a completely free computer, and I did. I run Linux on it, and most of the time I have no problem being as productive, or even more productive than I am on my Pentium II-333 128MB Windows machine. The only thing I use Windows for is games and web browsing because Mozilla simply runs unacceptably slowly on that Pentium machine. In it's current state, it is not even close to an embeddable-application.
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Umm....welll....uhhh.....because I manually copy the make executable to the current directory before every build? Uhhh....yeah, that's it..... Good point. .sig fixed.
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