Why in the world did this get marked as flamebait? I post a link to the original thread and highlight to Kurt that their were problems with their DB move? What's so offesive or out of line?
San Francisco, Feb. 17 (Bloomberg) -- Microsoft Corp. would be willing to open the source code for its Windows software to competitors if that was all it would take to settle the antitrust case filed by the Justice Department, Chairman Bill Gates said.
Then they say:
A Microsoft spokesman denied that Gates said the company would be willing to open its source code. ``He did not make any of the comments regarding source code that were attributed to him,'' company spokesman Greg Shaw said. ``He says what we've said all along, that we are doing our best to settle this case, and there is nothing new about that.'' ``We stand by our story,'' said Matthew Winkler, Bloomberg News editor-in-chief.
Huh? Last I checked the uptime across our Open Sourced environments vs. our MS environments was something like, Linux @ 240 days and NT @ 7 days. This is pretty usual for us. How could they possible claim to be more reliable? More reliable than what?
I am sick of seeing linux development kernel upgrades posted on Slashdot. I think if Slashdot is going to get in the business of announcing minor software updates, they should announce all software updates.
Well Nate, I am sick of seeing NPWIII Posting your never ending trolls on Slashdot. I think if NPWIII is going to get in the business of trolling your advertising without adding anything but flame to the thead, You should buy a banner and put your money where your troll is.
If they make this movie with the writing staff they had this year it's going to suck big time. This season, the show has was lame and it's dedicated followers even dropped off. If they want to make a big splash and possible revive the series to its former glory they need to bring back the magic that Conan O'Brien, James L. Brooks, David Mirkin, and a bunch of the writers who left the show who left to work on Futurama last year. Futurama is funny this year and the Simsons just went to the dogs.
This was delightfully good. Quite refreshing actually and IMO very eloquently written, thank you David. A side benefit is that we got some good quotes out of it as well.
the heavens revolved around the Earth, forcing him to flee to Geneva, then France, England and Germany we've learned to _tap_ the creative energies of those who defy the intellectual status quo, instead of killing them. be simultaneously offensive, delightful, in your face and profound
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and 88% of the women look like Natalie Portman. . .
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The 12 suggested steps for Slashdot Addiction
We admitted we were powerless over Slashdot--that our lives had become unmanageable.
Came to believe that Karma greater than ours could restore us to sanity.
Made a decision to turn our will and our posts over to the care of Taco as we understood Him.
Made a searching and fearless moderation of our threads.
Admitted to AC, to ourselves and to the other 500, 000 Slashdotters the exact nature of our flames.
Were entirely ready to have Hemos remove all these negative karma hits.
Humbly asked Roblimo to remove all moderation.
Made a list of all persons we had flamed, and became willing to make amends to them all.
Made amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure the karma rating.
Continued to take other posters inventory and when we were wrong promptly denied it.
Sought through trolls and flamebait to improve our off-topic contact with Slashdot, as we understood it, posting only for knowledge of nerd news and the stuff that matters.
Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to Slashdotters, and to practice these principles in all our posts.
Boich said his company aims to take ease of use to a new level and plans ultimately to surpass Microsoft's Windows OS and the Mac in simplicity.
I can understand the mindset to make a product that can surpass or compete with Apples simplicity and ease of use for the average user, but comparing this to Wind*ws seems a little odd. Back in the days of Win 3.1 and possibly up through Win 95, the environment was still pretty simple and the ease of use was also pretty good. However with 98, NT and now the upcoming 2K, these environments are very complicated for the average user to set up and re-configure when adding new HW or maybe a larger application. Look at how AOL's 5.0 completely hosed so many systems.
One more firm that wants to be part of the open source model is a great thing though. A little competition for Mandrake wouldn't hurt for the end consumer either. Although the article seemed a little press-releas-ish, it looks like they want to create a pretty complete environment.
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It was twenty threads ago today, AC's began throwing flames his way They've been flaming Jon and his style But they're guaranteed to raise a smile. So may I introduce to you The flame you've known for all these years, Jon Katz's Lonely Hearts Club thread. We're Jon Katz's Lonely Hearts Club Band, We hope you will enjoy the post, We're Jon Katz's Lonely Hearts Club Band, Sit back and let the AC's go. Jon Katz's lonely, Jon Katz's lonely, Jon Katz's Lonely Hearts Club Band. It's wonderful to post here, It's certainly a thrill. You're such a zealot audience, We'd like to mod you up with us, We'd love to mod you up. I don't really want to stop the trolls, But I thought that you might like to know, That the author's going to post a troll, And he wants you all to post along. So let me introduce to you The one and only non-geek here Jon Katz's Lonely Hearts Club thread.
After fighting through the/. Denial of service effect, I finally made it to the end of the interview. Honestly I had a hard time keeping up just with the interview, I haven't read any of his books but if this is any indication, I don't think I will. I know he has a brilliant mind, but the abstractness of the thinking approach is tough to keep up with and made the interview rather dry.
I don't think yoir quite on track. It wasn't the landing gear controlled from JPL, it was MFN2K.
Not only do I think this was done by Martians at a the probes border routers, but also on all routers within the NASA network. Programs like AED (Alieneldraht) attempt to determine if they can successfully send packets with forged alien addresses, and both it and MFN2K (Martian Flood Net 2000) have code to randomize packets on a per probe basis (not exactly GRITS compatible (Global Redundant Interstellar Troll system) , but still pretty clever and effective.) This means that if you have a/16 probe communications network with several open sourced probe-lets, the alien agents could forge the final two octets, looking like they are coming from probes on Mars. Depending on NASA's probe infrastructure and the Governments political relationship with a particular set of Martians, this can either force the probe to have to sniff on *each* planet, or do its own planet-by-planet debugging of packet flows to locate the actual planet(s) sending the. If no Alien can forge source addresses beyond its own planet, the task is greatly simplified (and you only need to put filterprobes on one planet to stop the flow from one alien agent host.)
"We saw something... that had all the earmarks of the signal and we felt we had to check it out," project manager Richard Cook said. "Based on the latest results, it is unknown to us what exactly the signal means, the signal we have recorded, I'll play it for you now."
It the legislature unfortunately it comes down to who has the most money behind the lobbyists. The lobby for whatever side has the ear of the lawmakers, they contribute via PAC's and soft money and the payback is that the legislators listen. The other side to this is, at least at the federal level, one constituent hour equals something like 100 lobby hours. This is one of the strongest ways to get a message out. With the Open Source community, we just can't compete with the big dollar lobby groups and PAC's, so getting in front of the legislators is one of the best avenues we have. Take a look at the Linux Advocacy guide to get the right flavor and tone for either a meeting, a phone call or a mail. It is very important to note that the lawmakers DO NOT respond well to Spam, flames or mail bombing. Please be clear, polite and most important direct and to the point with any written or verbal correspondence. Grass roots efforts like this do have equal muscle with the legislature if they are done properly.
I expect the average Joe DSL to probably learn the hard way, just like he learned not to step off the curb in rush hour against the traffic light, and to take everything valuable out of his car when he parks it on a dark city street: by suffering an incident, and the resulting cleanup cost.
When you break through all the hype that the press has put on this and boil it all down, it is just common sense. It's a shame that it takes events like this to have "the average Joe" and the PHB finally understand that a little caution and a little foresight go an awful long way. The three or however many of them they were, who pulled off the larger of the DdoS attacks really did the industry a favor in raising awareness, although I don't think this was the motive.
I would also say that I think the Clinton administration has done a much better job than its predecessors in trying to address these issues (e.g., the President's Commission on Critical Infrastructure Protection, the formation of NIPC to coordinate incident response and information dissemination to the public and private business sectors, and the National Plan for Information Systems Protection.)
I think the administration is still lacking in some major areas and it will take years to catch up with all the red tape. On a side note I heard on the radio that Clinton has requested $9M for cyber security, White House officials and the Internet community say they will band together to make computer security a high-profile issue. Hee hee, what do they really expect to do with only $9M?
Larry Wall drops Guido van Rossum on the barricade. To the commentary table - big knife-edge chop by Wall. Guido is rolled back in - and manages a hot shot on Wall as he stands on the apron. Wall brought into the ring - elbow to the back of the skull. Pinpointing his blows, there's a punch and a kick in the same spot. Scoops him up - and drops him on the top rope. Right hand, right, off the ropes, but to the abs, neckbreaker - Guido covers, but only gets 2 as the "A Guido sucks" starts up in earnest. "Shut your mouth!"
Right, off the ropes, reversed, back elbow, elbowdrop, off the ropes with a kneedrop to the chin - 2 count. In the corner, right, right, into the opposite corner, follow lariat. Fisherman suplex coming up - 1, 2, shoulder up! That move NEVER works! Wall scoops him up for a bodyslam again - and now Wall is ready to try the Money Shot - Guido manages to bounce off the top rope, crotching Wall. REVERSE FIREMAN'S CARRY! Cover, referee "Blind" Jim Korderas in position - 1, 2, 3!!! Ladies and gentlemen, we have a NEW Champion!!!!!
Do we have a new champion in the scripting language areana? Does it matter if they're both well made products?
First post is a quick and zippy way of dumping off your mod points. If this wasn't the motivation, the moderator would have used his points to mod good threads up and not dump them on a post which was rated zero to start with. Zero remains at the bottom of the heap anyway, why move it further? It makes no sense. See this monkey?! It makes no sense, Why does Chubacka live on Endor? It makes not sense. . .
1) You chose to make public your DB of music likes and by ommision dislikes. You made the decision to make this information public. 2) This architecture can allow the hosting entity to capture this and other information to use as they wish, without consent. Targeted spam etc.
I would rather be in the position to make a decision to make public this information than to have a service provider capture and distribute the information without me being asked.
There is more to the privacy part than just them keeping a log or database on what music you accessed isn't there?
I admit I skimmed over parts of the report because it went on and on, but I thought that they tracked MAC address etc, as well as other things. I agree that if they were just logging my music tastes, BFD, who cares, but they are capturing more for the purposes (speculation) of more direct, targeted marketing based on that information.
I believe that this will get out of hand very fast and create a PR nightmare, reminds me of the Real Player incident where they were capturing information in a way that really wasn't on the level.
In the conclusion the report states that there are no significant security issues and that the user must be in possession of the original, also it reads something to the effect of users desiring privacy can use the traditional MP3 "Ripping" software. The architecture fundamentally compromises the privacy of its users to provide a centralized service.
This is such a major flaw in the whole concept of the product. Understanding the reasoning behind the concept, but I would think they could have found a little better architecture. From a business model, how are they going to promote a product that fundamentally compromises the privacy of the user? Doesn't make sense to me.
AOL, on the other hand, should definitley be ported to Linux. Case and co. have *got* to be thinking about this
I really don't think they are. There isn't really a "killer" market for this if they port it. Who would they sell it to? Not the geek community, the AOL market is kids and soccermoms etc., just joe average household users. Not power users. The Linux environment I don't think will ever be a Win competitor in the average household. AOL makes it's money off of spam, co-branding, and general stickyness of the shell, Linux users wouldn't have any part of that environment.
I don't know. All I know is that 18 months from now the technology today will seem very primitive. Technology is just baffling everyone in the celerity with which it's looping, so the answer is, I can't give you an answer. But by God, we're going to find one.
Sort of sums it all up in one little package. The guy, remided me of an Andy Rooney look alike, "Did ya ever wonder why the technical industry is so, well technical?"
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Kurt, Your DB move failed again.
Anyway this is great, First they say:
San Francisco, Feb. 17 (Bloomberg) -- Microsoft Corp. would be willing to open the source code for its Windows software to competitors if that was all it would take to settle the antitrust case filed by the Justice Department, Chairman Bill Gates said.
Then they say:
A Microsoft spokesman denied that Gates said the company would be willing to open its source code. ``He did not make any of the comments regarding source code that were attributed to him,'' company spokesman Greg Shaw said. ``He says what we've said all along, that we are doing our best to settle this case, and there is nothing new about that.'' ``We stand by our story,'' said Matthew Winkler, Bloomberg News editor-in-chief.
Huh? Last I checked the uptime across our Open Sourced environments vs. our MS environments was something like, Linux @ 240 days and NT @ 7 days. This is pretty usual for us. How could they possible claim to be more reliable? More reliable than what?
Kurt, Your DB move failed again.
Well Nate, I am sick of seeing NPWIII Posting your never ending trolls on Slashdot. I think if NPWIII is going to get in the business of trolling your advertising without adding anything but flame to the thead, You should buy a banner and put your money where your troll is.
Yeah I know -1:Flamebait, mark me down.
Kurt, Not all the posts made it back after the move. Can you guys refresh or try again??
If they make this movie with the writing staff they had this year it's going to suck big time. This season, the show has was lame and it's dedicated followers even dropped off. If they want to make a big splash and possible revive the series to its former glory they need to bring back the magic that Conan O'Brien, James L. Brooks, David Mirkin, and a bunch of the writers who left the show who left to work on Futurama last year. Futurama is funny this year and the Simsons just went to the dogs.
the heavens revolved around the Earth, forcing him to flee to Geneva, then France, England and Germany
we've learned to _tap_ the creative energies of those who defy the intellectual status quo, instead of killing them.
be simultaneously offensive, delightful, in your face and profound
and 88% of the women look like Natalie Portman. . .
We admitted we were powerless over Slashdot--that our lives had become unmanageable.
Came to believe that Karma greater than ours could restore us to sanity.
Made a decision to turn our will and our posts over to the care of Taco as we understood Him.
Made a searching and fearless moderation of our threads.
Admitted to AC, to ourselves and to the other 500, 000 Slashdotters the exact nature of our flames.
Were entirely ready to have Hemos remove all these negative karma hits.
Humbly asked Roblimo to remove all moderation.
Made a list of all persons we had flamed, and became willing to make amends to them all.
Made amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure the karma rating.
Continued to take other posters inventory and when we were wrong promptly denied it.
Sought through trolls and flamebait to improve our off-topic contact with Slashdot, as we understood it, posting only for knowledge of nerd news and the stuff that matters.
Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to Slashdotters, and to practice these principles in all our posts.
I can understand the mindset to make a product that can surpass or compete with Apples simplicity and ease of use for the average user, but comparing this to Wind*ws seems a little odd. Back in the days of Win 3.1 and possibly up through Win 95, the environment was still pretty simple and the ease of use was also pretty good. However with 98, NT and now the upcoming 2K, these environments are very complicated for the average user to set up and re-configure when adding new HW or maybe a larger application. Look at how AOL's 5.0 completely hosed so many systems.
One more firm that wants to be part of the open source model is a great thing though. A little competition for Mandrake wouldn't hurt for the end consumer either. Although the article seemed a little press-releas-ish, it looks like they want to create a pretty complete environment.
It was twenty threads ago today,
AC's began throwing flames his way
They've been flaming Jon and his style
But they're guaranteed to raise a smile.
So may I introduce to you
The flame you've known for all these years,
Jon Katz's Lonely Hearts Club thread.
We're Jon Katz's Lonely Hearts Club Band,
We hope you will enjoy the post,
We're Jon Katz's Lonely Hearts Club Band,
Sit back and let the AC's go.
Jon Katz's lonely, Jon Katz's lonely,
Jon Katz's Lonely Hearts Club Band.
It's wonderful to post here,
It's certainly a thrill.
You're such a zealot audience,
We'd like to mod you up with us,
We'd love to mod you up.
I don't really want to stop the trolls,
But I thought that you might like to know,
That the author's going to post a troll,
And he wants you all to post along.
So let me introduce to you
The one and only non-geek here
Jon Katz's Lonely Hearts Club thread.
After fighting through the /. Denial of service effect, I finally made it to the end of the interview. Honestly I had a hard time keeping up just with the interview, I haven't read any of his books but if this is any indication, I don't think I will. I know he has a brilliant mind, but the abstractness of the thinking approach is tough to keep up with and made the interview rather dry.
Not only do I think this was done by Martians at a the probes border routers, but also on all routers within the NASA network. Programs like AED (Alieneldraht) attempt to determine if they can successfully send packets with forged alien addresses, and both it and MFN2K (Martian Flood Net 2000) have code to randomize packets on a per probe basis (not exactly GRITS compatible (Global Redundant Interstellar Troll system) , but still pretty clever and effective.) This means that if you have a /16 probe communications network with several open sourced probe-lets, the alien agents could forge the final two octets, looking like they are coming from probes on Mars. Depending on NASA's probe infrastructure and the Governments political relationship with a particular set of Martians, this can either force the probe to have to sniff on *each* planet, or do its own planet-by-planet debugging of packet flows to locate the actual planet(s) sending the. If no Alien can forge source addresses beyond its own planet, the task is greatly simplified (and you only need to put filterprobes on one planet to stop the flow from one alien agent host.)
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It the legislature unfortunately it comes down to who has the most money behind the lobbyists. The lobby for whatever side has the ear of the lawmakers, they contribute via PAC's and soft money and the payback is that the legislators listen. The other side to this is, at least at the federal level, one constituent hour equals something like 100 lobby hours. This is one of the strongest ways to get a message out. With the Open Source community, we just can't compete with the big dollar lobby groups and PAC's, so getting in front of the legislators is one of the best avenues we have. Take a look at the Linux Advocacy guide to get the right flavor and tone for either a meeting, a phone call or a mail. It is very important to note that the lawmakers DO NOT respond well to Spam, flames or mail bombing. Please be clear, polite and most important direct and to the point with any written or verbal correspondence. Grass roots efforts like this do have equal muscle with the legislature if they are done properly.
When you break through all the hype that the press has put on this and boil it all down, it is just common sense. It's a shame that it takes events like this to have "the average Joe" and the PHB finally understand that a little caution and a little foresight go an awful long way. The three or however many of them they were, who pulled off the larger of the DdoS attacks really did the industry a favor in raising awareness, although I don't think this was the motive.
I would also say that I think the Clinton administration has done a much better job than its predecessors in trying to address these issues (e.g., the President's Commission on Critical Infrastructure Protection, the formation of NIPC to coordinate incident response and information dissemination to the public and private business sectors, and the National Plan for Information Systems Protection.)
I think the administration is still lacking in some major areas and it will take years to catch up with all the red tape. On a side note I heard on the radio that Clinton has requested $9M for cyber security, White House officials and the Internet community say they will band together to make computer security a high-profile issue. Hee hee, what do they really expect to do with only $9M?
Right, off the ropes, reversed, back elbow, elbowdrop, off the ropes with a kneedrop to the chin - 2 count. In the corner, right, right, into the opposite corner, follow lariat. Fisherman suplex coming up - 1, 2, shoulder up! That move NEVER works! Wall scoops him up for a bodyslam again - and now Wall is ready to try the Money Shot - Guido manages to bounce off the top rope, crotching Wall. REVERSE FIREMAN'S CARRY! Cover, referee "Blind" Jim Korderas in position - 1, 2, 3!!! Ladies and gentlemen, we have a NEW Champion!!!!!
Do we have a new champion in the scripting language areana? Does it matter if they're both well made products?
First post is a quick and zippy way of dumping off your mod points. If this wasn't the motivation, the moderator would have used his points to mod good threads up and not dump them on a post which was rated zero to start with. Zero remains at the bottom of the heap anyway, why move it further? It makes no sense. See this monkey?! It makes no sense, Why does Chubacka live on Endor? It makes not sense. . .
1) You chose to make public your DB of music likes and by ommision dislikes. You made the decision to make this information public.
2) This architecture can allow the hosting entity to capture this and other information to use as they wish, without consent. Targeted spam etc.
I would rather be in the position to make a decision to make public this information than to have a service provider capture and distribute the information without me being asked.
I admit I skimmed over parts of the report because it went on and on, but I thought that they tracked MAC address etc, as well as other things. I agree that if they were just logging my music tastes, BFD, who cares, but they are capturing more for the purposes (speculation) of more direct, targeted marketing based on that information.
I believe that this will get out of hand very fast and create a PR nightmare, reminds me of the Real Player incident where they were capturing information in a way that really wasn't on the level.
This is such a major flaw in the whole concept of the product. Understanding the reasoning behind the concept, but I would think they could have found a little better architecture. From a business model, how are they going to promote a product that fundamentally compromises the privacy of the user? Doesn't make sense to me.
huh?
AOL, on the other hand, should definitley be ported to Linux. Case and co. have *got* to be thinking about this
I really don't think they are. There isn't really a "killer" market for this if they port it. Who would they sell it to? Not the geek community, the AOL market is kids and soccermoms etc., just joe average household users. Not power users. The Linux environment I don't think will ever be a Win competitor in the average household. AOL makes it's money off of spam, co-branding, and general stickyness of the shell, Linux users wouldn't have any part of that environment.
Sort of sums it all up in one little package. The guy, remided me of an Andy Rooney look alike, "Did ya ever wonder why the technical industry is so, well technical?"
PHB responses only. Seemed rather dry and really unknowing of the bigger picture and provided very PC answers. Too bad.