Well, I love tbird, but this release has some big issues for me. They've sacrificed too much message viewing space with tab bar and enlarged header display. These things should be configurable (I need to check advanced config properties). But ok, I could live with that. The grouped inboxes are nice.
But....
They have broken the new mail indicator on folders. WHY??? WHYYYYYYYYYY????? Argh!!!! The best feature of tbird is gone. How could they commit this crime? I might have to go back to 2. This is just shocking to me. It was so awesome to just scan the folders down the side, even when just peaking out from behind another window, and see those red stars on the folders with new mail. Now they're gone. For no reason. They're still on the messages, but not the folders. Who makes these decisions? Seriously? Who in their right mind would decide to throw out this feature??? Meanwhile, they've gone crazy copying Gmail features, and they leave out the main feature they have that Gmail doesn't have. Incredible.
Fix it. Please. Put the stars back. ASAP. Or I'm switching to Gmail client. Thanks in advance.
Truly awful. Very annoying layout. It's just a cynical marketing rebranding to attract eyeballs to the miserable failure that was live.com. Vintage M$, absolutely pathetic and contemptible. "Bing" yeh, right - well done boys.
Oh come on, there is no effective gravity between the objects in the rubber sheet experiment. It does indeed illustrate the effect of distortion of the space in which the bodies exist, as opposed to the effects gravity *between* the objects. Yes, the distortion is manifest through external gravity, but so what? The rubber, the steel balls, the external gravity, they all just make up the experiment.
But is all the loss in the display system, or is it in the encoding as well? What percentage of visible colors can be encoded into RBG? What percentage can be picked up by TV cameras for that matter? Anyone got a break-down on this?
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To restore your sanity go to about:config and set browser.tabs.tabMinWidth to 50. The default value of 100 is a disaster and just about guarantees that awful scrolling behaviour.
Ok dude, you now run the IT center. You have 25000 remote-enabled users with different levels of skill, patience, etc. How would you propose to support them?
They still haven't fixed that? Sheesh. I agree this is just pathetic, and unbelievably frustrating. There was also some extreme funkiness in the past about whether or not it remembered your last selection, so not only were you tortured to painfully navigate to common places, you have to do it over and over and over, ad nauseum. Whichever pompous ass thinks not having a direct location box, or way to change the current path, is a good idea needs to be removed from the design team asap.
I love Firefox, but it's obviously pretty poorly written in parts (yes, I could do a lot better given some resources). The way it slows down and becomes unresponsive with a large number of tabs indicates severe internal locking conflict. I believe they use spinlocks too, hence the cpu piggishness. Once it gets bogged down it's truly hosed. Now, the thing is, why on earth would different tabs have major locking conflicts? Shared data structures, cache, etc. I'm sorry but this was just not well thought out. I can't see any reason for this level of extreme contention. They've added more and more synchronization to fix bugs to the point where it's just a lumbering pig, instead of freeing up the design. Different tabs, different threads, minimal conflict - any other design can not work. I bet IE 7 doesn't behave like this.
Second point. The Flash thing is truly nauseating, but it's not a firefox cpu issue, what it seems to be is the XUL UI not having any priority on events. It's not that the browser won't switch tabs when flash is running, it just needs to be shaken awake. For example, flash is doing its thing (soaking up unused cpu), you click a tab, firefox simply does not respond, for minutes sometimes, it's infuriating, an absolute usability nightmare - but now bring forward another window, return firefox to the top - bingo it switches tabs. It's XUL event handling (or lack of events) that's the problem, not flash.
Ok, some educated guess work there, but it can't be far wrong. If they concentrated on a few of these issues, the improvements could be truly staggering. God I hope I get a chance to help - and you guys should all help too if you can.
...they don't even let you choose an installation drive, so I can't use it because my C drive hasn't got 1.5 Gb spare. How absolutely pathetic is that?
Nobody believes that Microsoft focuses on security. Nobody.
That's right, and hence I bet the real reason is liability. They don't trust themselves to keep it secure, and if it was to be compromised too badly imagine the consequences for them...
Compile times are a HUGE advantage of Java. I have worked on countless huge s/w eng projects many with thousands of files scattered over large src trees. With a C compiler it can take ages to compile a mess like that. With Java often it is mere seconds. Because the compiler is launched ONCE. There is no comparison, Java blows C away for compile times. And if you find that is not true, then you don't know how to organise your src code.
I'd much rather a good N.S. read, the guy's a modern day genius. Cryptonomicon was awesome, but Snow Crash was better imho. I'm only comparing him to Brown in the sense that that's how disappointing I'm finding Quicksilver. Not just because it's slow, it also doesn't have the style, wit, sharpness or quirkiness of his classics (so far). Brown is fodder, but certainly readable. I've only read DaVinci, and just starting on Angels and Demons, half expecting it to be junk. We'll see...
Completely agree. Snowcrash was brilliant. Hilarious, scary, insightful, new, fresh, amazing. Cryptonomicon was good, but not as good (what's with Enoch Root - he Stephenson's Ellsworth Toohey?) and Quicksilver is just a complete yawn. I'm at about p 250 and had to divert to Dan Brown before I passed out with boredom. It does show some flashes of Stephenson's brilliance, but only rarely. I'm praying it gets better, if it doesn't pick up I'm gonna have to bail on the whole series.
I tried 2 quarters, spun them 25 times each. Both came up 14 heads 11 tails. At this point I seriously doubt the 80% tail figure. Sorry, didn't try other coins.
At what point does the FSF decide to protect itself from those hypocritical vultures and add a SCO exclusion clause to the GPL? I mean if it ever came to something like that in order for free software to survive this vicious attack it would be justified wouldn't it? Same goes for M$ if their involvement in this outrage is ever revealed. This would teach like-minded predators a very good lesson - not unlike the one those dicks are trying to teach the FSF. The only difference being this might actually be justified.
Those troglodytes will no doubt come after every big enterprise user for lost revenue if they ever win a case, even if it's ten years away. I think it's time for BSD and Linux to merge, or to at least port the equivalent functionality from BSD to Linux asap, even if only as a stop-gap measure. (assuming BSD has the necessary bits that is)
Thanks for the info, but it's any window - first, last, inbetween, makes no diff. Isn't everyone seeing this? It's painfully obvious. Go on, try it, open some new windows, just a few simple ^Ns, now try closing them. The only way to avoid the annoyance of it is to try to launch everything into a new tab - it doesn't happen when you close a tab. But if you let it launch into a new window, watch out! You're better off minimising windows than trying to close them, because while it's thrashing and gagging on the severely difficult function of closing a window, it is pretty much totally unresponsive to all other input. Happens on all my machines too, so it's nothing to do with my set up.
AFAIC 1.2.1 is almost unusable. On my home machine (dual 450MHz PII) it takes up to 3 seconds every time I close a browser window. During this period it hammers the disk viciously. This was not noticeable prior to 1.2. Something has changed drastically, and it is making the browser very hard to use. Are they doing cache cleanups every time a window is closed? What the... (I know, log a bug, fix it myself. Yeh right, like all the users are responsible for these regressions...)
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Well, I love tbird, but this release has some big issues for me. They've sacrificed too much message viewing space with tab bar and enlarged header display. These things should be configurable (I need to check advanced config properties). But ok, I could live with that. The grouped inboxes are nice.
But....
They have broken the new mail indicator on folders. WHY??? WHYYYYYYYYYY????? Argh!!!! The best feature of tbird is gone. How could they commit this crime? I might have to go back to 2. This is just shocking to me. It was so awesome to just scan the folders down the side, even when just peaking out from behind another window, and see those red stars on the folders with new mail. Now they're gone. For no reason. They're still on the messages, but not the folders. Who makes these decisions? Seriously? Who in their right mind would decide to throw out this feature??? Meanwhile, they've gone crazy copying Gmail features, and they leave out the main feature they have that Gmail doesn't have. Incredible.
Fix it. Please. Put the stars back. ASAP. Or I'm switching to Gmail client. Thanks in advance.
I have mourning doves nestling on my balcony, their wings also whistle, but it seems like every time they take off, and not only when they're alarmed.
Truly awful. Very annoying layout. It's just a cynical marketing rebranding to attract eyeballs to the miserable failure that was live.com. Vintage M$, absolutely pathetic and contemptible. "Bing" yeh, right - well done boys.
Oh come on, there is no effective gravity between the objects in the rubber sheet experiment. It does indeed illustrate the effect of distortion of the space in which the bodies exist, as opposed to the effects gravity *between* the objects. Yes, the distortion is manifest through external gravity, but so what? The rubber, the steel balls, the external gravity, they all just make up the experiment.
But is all the loss in the display system, or is it in the encoding as well? What percentage of visible colors can be encoded into RBG? What percentage can be picked up by TV cameras for that matter? Anyone got a break-down on this?
To restore your sanity go to about:config and set browser.tabs.tabMinWidth to 50. The default value of 100 is a disaster and just about guarantees that awful scrolling behaviour.
If your argument boils down to fork/exec why not advocate create_process() instead?
Ok dude, you now run the IT center. You have 25000 remote-enabled users with different levels of skill, patience, etc. How would you propose to support them?
Sunray dude - far superior, morally and technically.
They still haven't fixed that? Sheesh. I agree this is just pathetic, and unbelievably frustrating. There was also some extreme funkiness in the past about whether or not it remembered your last selection, so not only were you tortured to painfully navigate to common places, you have to do it over and over and over, ad nauseum. Whichever pompous ass thinks not having a direct location box, or way to change the current path, is a good idea needs to be removed from the design team asap.
I love Firefox, but it's obviously pretty poorly written in parts (yes, I could do a lot better given some resources). The way it slows down and becomes unresponsive with a large number of tabs indicates severe internal locking conflict. I believe they use spinlocks too, hence the cpu piggishness. Once it gets bogged down it's truly hosed. Now, the thing is, why on earth would different tabs have major locking conflicts? Shared data structures, cache, etc. I'm sorry but this was just not well thought out. I can't see any reason for this level of extreme contention. They've added more and more synchronization to fix bugs to the point where it's just a lumbering pig, instead of freeing up the design. Different tabs, different threads, minimal conflict - any other design can not work. I bet IE 7 doesn't behave like this.
Second point. The Flash thing is truly nauseating, but it's not a firefox cpu issue, what it seems to be is the XUL UI not having any priority on events. It's not that the browser won't switch tabs when flash is running, it just needs to be shaken awake. For example, flash is doing its thing (soaking up unused cpu), you click a tab, firefox simply does not respond, for minutes sometimes, it's infuriating, an absolute usability nightmare - but now bring forward another window, return firefox to the top - bingo it switches tabs. It's XUL event handling (or lack of events) that's the problem, not flash.
Ok, some educated guess work there, but it can't be far wrong. If they concentrated on a few of these issues, the improvements could be truly staggering. God I hope I get a chance to help - and you guys should all help too if you can.
...they don't even let you choose an installation drive, so I can't use it because my C drive hasn't got 1.5 Gb spare. How absolutely pathetic is that?
Nobody believes that Microsoft focuses on security. Nobody.
That's right, and hence I bet the real reason is liability. They don't trust themselves to keep it secure, and if it was to be compromised too badly imagine the consequences for them...
My God man. And you are actually supporting this absurd train wreck??? Yikes...
Compile times are a HUGE advantage of Java. I have worked on countless huge s/w eng projects many with thousands of files scattered over large src trees. With a C compiler it can take ages to compile a mess like that. With Java often it is mere seconds. Because the compiler is launched ONCE. There is no comparison, Java blows C away for compile times. And if you find that is not true, then you don't know how to organise your src code.
Agreed! I refuse to use an Outlook clone. It is worse then shameful - it is boringly shameful.
I'd much rather a good N.S. read, the guy's a modern day genius. Cryptonomicon was awesome, but Snow Crash was better imho. I'm only comparing him to Brown in the sense that that's how disappointing I'm finding Quicksilver. Not just because it's slow, it also doesn't have the style, wit, sharpness or quirkiness of his classics (so far). Brown is fodder, but certainly readable. I've only read DaVinci, and just starting on Angels and Demons, half expecting it to be junk. We'll see...
Completely agree. Snowcrash was brilliant. Hilarious, scary, insightful, new, fresh, amazing. Cryptonomicon was good, but not as good (what's with Enoch Root - he Stephenson's Ellsworth Toohey?) and Quicksilver is just a complete yawn. I'm at about p 250 and had to divert to Dan Brown before I passed out with boredom. It does show some flashes of Stephenson's brilliance, but only rarely. I'm praying it gets better, if it doesn't pick up I'm gonna have to bail on the whole series.
I tried 2 quarters, spun them 25 times each. Both came up 14 heads 11 tails. At this point I seriously doubt the 80% tail figure. Sorry, didn't try other coins.
At what point does the FSF decide to protect itself from those hypocritical vultures and add a SCO exclusion clause to the GPL? I mean if it ever came to something like that in order for free software to survive this vicious attack it would be justified wouldn't it? Same goes for M$ if their involvement in this outrage is ever revealed. This would teach like-minded predators a very good lesson - not unlike the one those dicks are trying to teach the FSF. The only difference being this might actually be justified.
Those troglodytes will no doubt come after every big enterprise user for lost revenue if they ever win a case, even if it's ten years away. I think it's time for BSD and Linux to merge, or to at least port the equivalent functionality from BSD to Linux asap, even if only as a stop-gap measure. (assuming BSD has the necessary bits that is)
Thanks for the info, but it's any window - first, last, inbetween, makes no diff. Isn't everyone seeing this? It's painfully obvious. Go on, try it, open some new windows, just a few simple ^Ns, now try closing them. The only way to avoid the annoyance of it is to try to launch everything into a new tab - it doesn't happen when you close a tab. But if you let it launch into a new window, watch out! You're better off minimising windows than trying to close them, because while it's thrashing and gagging on the severely difficult function of closing a window, it is pretty much totally unresponsive to all other input. Happens on all my machines too, so it's nothing to do with my set up.
AFAIC 1.2.1 is almost unusable. On my home machine (dual 450MHz PII) it takes up to 3 seconds every time I close a browser window. During this period it hammers the disk viciously. This was not noticeable prior to 1.2. Something has changed drastically, and it is making the browser very hard to use. Are they doing cache cleanups every time a window is closed? What the...
(I know, log a bug, fix it myself. Yeh right, like all the users are responsible for these regressions...)