I think Apple tends to push updates for their phones for longer than are offered for Android devices.
Very possible, although the Nexus S went (or will go) through Gingerbread, ICS and Jellybean. Not too shabby.
My point is that upgrading of the open Android firmware is difficult.
Right, and my point was that it's only difficult with shit phones/carriers. Upgrading Android on a non-fubard device is as easy as downloading a zip file, putting it on the root of your sdcard and rebooting the phone. You don't need to unlock the bootloader and you don't need root. Flashing an arbitrary OS only requires unlocking the bootloader (which can be relocked), flashing a recovery that can do it (stock recovery doesn't really need to be able to flash arbitrary OSes), and then flashing the.zip. It's actually one command from a compiled AOSP tree, but that's not what Mr. Sixpack is going to have.
It's when HTC, Samsung and whoever start including their stupid proprietary shit that it all goes upwards and hits the fan. You're entire right about non-Google devices, and I wish Google would do something about it, but I refuse to label it as "Android is hard to install/upgrade/modify". It's the easiest mobile OS to work with if you have a reference (read: non-neutered) device.
Maybe the laws in the United States are different, but over here if you're merging you're supposed to yield, not cut everyone to be ahead of the pack. It is not an obligation to move to the passing lane when there are cars trying to merge even if it can be convenient to do so.
AKA, it's a merge lane, not a "go as fast as you can before cutting the next 6 people who were on the highway a longer time than you" lane.
I have to disagree with you. I'm trying to build an OS that wasn't released yet, with parts missing. It's my own damn fault if it's hard. If I had used the OTA (as I have done many times before), it would be a seamless process. Other manufacturers may make it hard but I don't buy from those manufacturers, period. I turned down a HTC Panache for a Nexus S because I knew what I was getting into. Average Joe might not know this, so I make it a point to tell it to people before they get a new phone.
So while you're right about the situation, I don't find Apple any better.
The binaries for the Nexus S and Xoom are not available yet and won't be until the OTA update.
I tried compiling AOSP with android 4.1.1r1 checked out, adding the 4.0.4 vendor proprietary files, putting it on my phone, then flashing the ICS kernel, but it did not work.
Maybe he was talking about performance. It's only natural that GCC and clang are now ahead due to their more frequent releases. I don't really rely on MSVC++ (I find VS a great IDE, but I really don't care if I'm using MSVC++, GCC or clang/llvm to compile the code, but in a lot of benchmarks I've seen MSVC++ is significantly faster than GCC. I haven't seen anything much recent though.
Yep. I'm young, but I'm also from North America. I don't get unlimited data on my phone unless I pay out of my ass for it (And actually my current carrier doesn't offer it I think), and I'm not going to bust my bandwidth bill when I can just spend 5 minutes to copy hours and hours worth of songs on the internal storage, or spend the same time to burn a CD that I can pop in my car without paying a dime for the bandwidth.
When you need knowledge you don't have, you hire a consultant. People have been doing it with their cars for years, it's no different with a computer. And yes, you can get screwed in both cases. It's called the real world.
If you're incompetent, pay for someone who is competent. It's that simple. People just act different 'cause it's a fucking computer and they have some sort of mental block that prevents their intelligence from working properly.
It'd be really interesting if they went back to evidence and found something like this. unfortunately I doubt our good friend Laden would be down and dirty with steno plans, it'd be pretty stupid for the head of a terrorist group.
They didn't really deny problems, they just indicated that the majority of it came from add-ons, which is true for a lot of them. It doesn't help that most morons whining about memory leaks have no idea how it works in the first place.
Jesus, how long support do you need these days with web technologies? Firefox releases testing builds eons in advances that your programmers can code against if this is for development of internal apps. Or is it that it takes you a year to audit the browser? I don't really understand.
You're right, they should've pushed for Earth's Court instead so they could rely on international law rather than the laws of the United States in the United States and those of Germany in Germany.
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I think Apple tends to push updates for their phones for longer than are offered for Android devices.
Very possible, although the Nexus S went (or will go) through Gingerbread, ICS and Jellybean. Not too shabby.
My point is that upgrading of the open Android firmware is difficult.
Right, and my point was that it's only difficult with shit phones/carriers. Upgrading Android on a non-fubard device is as easy as downloading a zip file, putting it on the root of your sdcard and rebooting the phone. You don't need to unlock the bootloader and you don't need root. Flashing an arbitrary OS only requires unlocking the bootloader (which can be relocked), flashing a recovery that can do it (stock recovery doesn't really need to be able to flash arbitrary OSes), and then flashing the .zip. It's actually one command from a compiled AOSP tree, but that's not what Mr. Sixpack is going to have.
It's when HTC, Samsung and whoever start including their stupid proprietary shit that it all goes upwards and hits the fan. You're entire right about non-Google devices, and I wish Google would do something about it, but I refuse to label it as "Android is hard to install/upgrade/modify". It's the easiest mobile OS to work with if you have a reference (read: non-neutered) device.
Still missing a bunch of binaries that are required to boot the phone, but I figure you probably tried the compile and found out by now.
Maybe the laws in the United States are different, but over here if you're merging you're supposed to yield, not cut everyone to be ahead of the pack. It is not an obligation to move to the passing lane when there are cars trying to merge even if it can be convenient to do so.
AKA, it's a merge lane, not a "go as fast as you can before cutting the next 6 people who were on the highway a longer time than you" lane.
I have to disagree with you. I'm trying to build an OS that wasn't released yet, with parts missing. It's my own damn fault if it's hard. If I had used the OTA (as I have done many times before), it would be a seamless process. Other manufacturers may make it hard but I don't buy from those manufacturers, period. I turned down a HTC Panache for a Nexus S because I knew what I was getting into. Average Joe might not know this, so I make it a point to tell it to people before they get a new phone.
So while you're right about the situation, I don't find Apple any better.
The binaries for the Nexus S and Xoom are not available yet and won't be until the OTA update.
I tried compiling AOSP with android 4.1.1r1 checked out, adding the 4.0.4 vendor proprietary files, putting it on my phone, then flashing the ICS kernel, but it did not work.
Oh well. I'll be waiting.
Maybe he was talking about performance. It's only natural that GCC and clang are now ahead due to their more frequent releases. I don't really rely on MSVC++ (I find VS a great IDE, but I really don't care if I'm using MSVC++, GCC or clang/llvm to compile the code, but in a lot of benchmarks I've seen MSVC++ is significantly faster than GCC. I haven't seen anything much recent though.
Yeah, Google and Microsoft are massive failures at the moment.
Yep. I'm young, but I'm also from North America. I don't get unlimited data on my phone unless I pay out of my ass for it (And actually my current carrier doesn't offer it I think), and I'm not going to bust my bandwidth bill when I can just spend 5 minutes to copy hours and hours worth of songs on the internal storage, or spend the same time to burn a CD that I can pop in my car without paying a dime for the bandwidth.
Actually looking back at this, I posted in a different thread and it wasn't nearly as aggressive. Your AC sucks.
I'm at peace, sorry for using you as entertainment. I write a sentence and you write 10 more hilarious ones. Welcome to the internet.
On ARM systems MS locks it down just cause, at least that is what is portrayed at the moment.
Security is very anally involved.. backdoors, trojans, ..
Curiously, "Hash Inspired Skyscraper" is also circular, and yet "The Hash Inspired Skyscraper" is anything but circular.
Ever tried designing a building after taking hash? It never ends up circular...
Look at his posting history, he looks hired by Microsoft.
When you need knowledge you don't have, you hire a consultant. People have been doing it with their cars for years, it's no different with a computer. And yes, you can get screwed in both cases. It's called the real world.
If you're incompetent, pay for someone who is competent. It's that simple. People just act different 'cause it's a fucking computer and they have some sort of mental block that prevents their intelligence from working properly.
It'd be really interesting if they went back to evidence and found something like this. unfortunately I doubt our good friend Laden would be down and dirty with steno plans, it'd be pretty stupid for the head of a terrorist group.
And not giving focus isn't the same as ignoring the problem either.
They didn't really deny problems, they just indicated that the majority of it came from add-ons, which is true for a lot of them. It doesn't help that most morons whining about memory leaks have no idea how it works in the first place.
Jesus, how long support do you need these days with web technologies? Firefox releases testing builds eons in advances that your programmers can code against if this is for development of internal apps. Or is it that it takes you a year to audit the browser? I don't really understand.
You're right, they should've pushed for Earth's Court instead so they could rely on international law rather than the laws of the United States in the United States and those of Germany in Germany.
The sad thing is that you are a fucking idiot.
Which is why they announced an enterprise version with slower updates for enterprise users, right?
That's funny, I worked for that company. Good thing our 2nd customer was named Henry Backup, huh?
And obviously I'm kidding...
No, we do not get the right to get shot by random project niggers.