The more you pay attention to the party game, the more crap they get to float by you because "your guy" did it. It's a beautiful con that no less a person than George Washington warned us about. Good job listening, fools.
Where is this fantasy land where cops are held to laws and act humanely towards mere citizens? It sounds lovely, and if it actually exists outside of your head I'd like to find out what it takes to immigrate there.
When did I agree to be a net benefit to you, generically speaking? Or maybe more to the point, when did you pick up the delusion about that requirement?
It's the same wankery that everyone got up to about the iPad. Might even be the same people.
Basically, Chrome OS devices are not meant as general purpose computing devices, they are meant as information appliances. Same concept as the line of Apple iDevices, different execution. The people who complain miss the point, deliberately or no.
Some people just have the opinion that they are entitled to everything being how they want, and they bitch a lot when they don't get it. That's life, I guess.
I'll guarantee there are more people learning about the fundamentals of computing now than there ever were before. The industry is so big (and still growing!) that it's impossible for anything else to be the case.
You know, there are still a ton of general purpose computers that allow you to do pretty much anything you want. Vastly more than there were in the Apple heyday of the summary's recollection, in fact. There are so many choices now, at such a low cost, that the opportunity for people to indulge curiosity about computing is vastly larger than it ever was before.
In other words, this is the opposite of a sad time. Unless you feel like you are entitled to everything being exactly as you want it, but if that's the case, there will never be anything but sad times for you.
Why does every single computer need to be geek friendly? Is it seriously necessary for this whining to continue every time Apple releases a product?
Here's how it goes: the iDevices are computing as an appliance. They are not meant for you. Why do you feel the need to bitch and moan about every little thing like you are somehow entitled to everything being your way?
I get that you're saying that. I'm saying what you are insisting is what this device needs to be is something that no one really wants.
People don't want to be bothered with explicit management of multitasking and system resources and so forth, certainly. That fits in with the Raskin dream. They definitely don't want to have to stare at a machine trying to finish something because they can't start something else, though. That's the big multitasking win, if you aren't aware. It's not doing multiple things at the same time, it's being able to let something that needs no attention finish itself why you do something else.
Don't know where the UI theorists lost sight of that simple fact. No one wants to stare at a progress bar and not be able to do anything else, and with this paradigm it happens way too frequently and it really isn't necessary. Stepping away from a task doesn't need to end it, and insisting that it does is just going to alienate people. The proof, of course, is that Apple-blessed apps can multitask. Quit the iPod app, the music keeps playing. Quit the Pandora app, bye bye. This is just a market power grab, not devotion to a UI style.
The market will tell, of course, but I suspect this is going to be a war between the iDevice way and the Chrome netbook way, with Chrome the winner unless Steve loosens the task switching reins a little.
Moreover you don't really want multi-taksing. You think you do but what you really mean is you want to beable to context swtich easily and for cases where apps need to interact that they do so in the way you want them to
No, I really do. I want to upload a picture, listen to music, and chat with friends at the same time. I want to be able to start a long network action and not have to watch it finish because switching away will cause it to abort.
And just so you don't think I'm talking out my ass, these are things that annoy me about my iPhone today. Raskin's vision is interesting, but like all ideals, it needs tempering with reality.
You're missing the point. No one is trying to convince you that it's a good thing. You have made up your mind, and that's cool. The point is, your opinion isn't necessarily all that meaningful in the context of the use cases of this device.
Are you really so self-centered as to believe that anyone who doesn't share your opinions is an idiot? I know that's a fairly common stance amongst the more unsocialized nerd stereotype but it always surprises me. There's a real irony to being called an idiot by someone who holds such a stupid, unreasonable, and indefensible point of view.
First off, I'm want to note that I am completely underwhelmed by the iPad and not interested in it in any way.
That said, if the anti-iPad crowd really does understand the purpose of the device, then why do they keep whining about it not being for them? What's productive or even interesting about that much bitching?
I wish I understood enough physics to know if the technique would really work. The idea of using chaos instead of trying to control it really appeals to my aesthetic sensibilities.
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The more you pay attention to the party game, the more crap they get to float by you because "your guy" did it. It's a beautiful con that no less a person than George Washington warned us about. Good job listening, fools.
Where is this fantasy land where cops are held to laws and act humanely towards mere citizens? It sounds lovely, and if it actually exists outside of your head I'd like to find out what it takes to immigrate there.
Your argument isn't convincing enough yet. Can you randomly multiply your "processing power" estimates by another term you pull out of your ass?
I'm sorry, did you just say that running Linux would give someone the best chance of having sex? My how the world has changed.
When did I agree to be a net benefit to you, generically speaking? Or maybe more to the point, when did you pick up the delusion about that requirement?
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It's like Einstein said, "I didn't say half the shit people think I did."
Ah yes, the right to not be offended. Utterly impossible to enforce fairly, and the anathema of free speech. Good concept, no way to execute it.
It's the same wankery that everyone got up to about the iPad. Might even be the same people.
Basically, Chrome OS devices are not meant as general purpose computing devices, they are meant as information appliances. Same concept as the line of Apple iDevices, different execution. The people who complain miss the point, deliberately or no.
Some people just have the opinion that they are entitled to everything being how they want, and they bitch a lot when they don't get it. That's life, I guess.
Sure, give me one reason for borders that isn't motivated by fear.
I'll guarantee there are more people learning about the fundamentals of computing now than there ever were before. The industry is so big (and still growing!) that it's impossible for anything else to be the case.
You know, there are still a ton of general purpose computers that allow you to do pretty much anything you want. Vastly more than there were in the Apple heyday of the summary's recollection, in fact. There are so many choices now, at such a low cost, that the opportunity for people to indulge curiosity about computing is vastly larger than it ever was before.
In other words, this is the opposite of a sad time. Unless you feel like you are entitled to everything being exactly as you want it, but if that's the case, there will never be anything but sad times for you.
I have a stupid question.
Why does every single computer need to be geek friendly? Is it seriously necessary for this whining to continue every time Apple releases a product?
Here's how it goes: the iDevices are computing as an appliance. They are not meant for you. Why do you feel the need to bitch and moan about every little thing like you are somehow entitled to everything being your way?
That doesn't count because we still ignore these things. Coal is cheaper and cleaner as long as you don't actually look at it.
Because national borders are a fiction clung to by the fearful.
Redesigning a web interface is NOT that hard, even if it's all activeX shit
Everything is easy when there's no chance you'll ever have to be the one to do it.
I get that you're saying that. I'm saying what you are insisting is what this device needs to be is something that no one really wants.
People don't want to be bothered with explicit management of multitasking and system resources and so forth, certainly. That fits in with the Raskin dream. They definitely don't want to have to stare at a machine trying to finish something because they can't start something else, though. That's the big multitasking win, if you aren't aware. It's not doing multiple things at the same time, it's being able to let something that needs no attention finish itself why you do something else.
Don't know where the UI theorists lost sight of that simple fact. No one wants to stare at a progress bar and not be able to do anything else, and with this paradigm it happens way too frequently and it really isn't necessary. Stepping away from a task doesn't need to end it, and insisting that it does is just going to alienate people. The proof, of course, is that Apple-blessed apps can multitask. Quit the iPod app, the music keeps playing. Quit the Pandora app, bye bye. This is just a market power grab, not devotion to a UI style.
The market will tell, of course, but I suspect this is going to be a war between the iDevice way and the Chrome netbook way, with Chrome the winner unless Steve loosens the task switching reins a little.
Moreover you don't really want multi-taksing. You think you do but what you really mean is you want to beable to context swtich easily and for cases where apps need to interact that they do so in the way you want them to
No, I really do. I want to upload a picture, listen to music, and chat with friends at the same time. I want to be able to start a long network action and not have to watch it finish because switching away will cause it to abort.
And just so you don't think I'm talking out my ass, these are things that annoy me about my iPhone today. Raskin's vision is interesting, but like all ideals, it needs tempering with reality.
You're missing the point. No one is trying to convince you that it's a good thing. You have made up your mind, and that's cool. The point is, your opinion isn't necessarily all that meaningful in the context of the use cases of this device.
Are you really so self-centered as to believe that anyone who doesn't share your opinions is an idiot? I know that's a fairly common stance amongst the more unsocialized nerd stereotype but it always surprises me. There's a real irony to being called an idiot by someone who holds such a stupid, unreasonable, and indefensible point of view.
I'm not sure how you can say it is ONLY $499.
I think I can explain this one - some of us have jobs.
First off, I'm want to note that I am completely underwhelmed by the iPad and not interested in it in any way.
That said, if the anti-iPad crowd really does understand the purpose of the device, then why do they keep whining about it not being for them? What's productive or even interesting about that much bitching?
I wish I understood enough physics to know if the technique would really work. The idea of using chaos instead of trying to control it really appeals to my aesthetic sensibilities.
There was no truth in that scene, the human torch doesn't really exist.
Cool, then I don't salute your bravery. All good by me.