>>>If I read you correctly, that's 20Mbps up and down (symmetric speeds) for 26 Euros... approx $36. Wow we're getting shafted here in the US. >>>
I can't believe how spoiled Americans are (no offense intended). We've got ~$130,000 national debt hanging over every U.S. home, and you're worried about a measly tenner???
How about just being satisfied with what you've got? I have 1 Mbit/s internet, and it lets me watch any streaming video/tv show I want to see. I've downloaded more gigabytes in the last year than my whole life, and the cost is only $14.99. More importantly: It didn't require any digging of my front street, because it comes in via the existing twisted pair line.
I'm happy. Why aren't you?
The FCC's proposed 100 Mbit/s line is great in theory, but what are the practical limits? Who is going to pay to dig-up thousands of miles of dirt to hookup Farmers Pat, Joe, and Billy-Bob in Nomansland Idaho (a place where the cows outnumber the people)? The government??? Sorry but China isn't loaning us any more money.
How about a *practical* answer? i.e. Simply tell the phone company to connect DSL, using existing twisted-pair lines, to anyone who demands it. Abracadabra. Broadband (i.e. wider than a phoneline) for everyone and available virtually overnight without any need to do digging.
And as for cost, we need more competition to bring down cost. Forget the current Cable TV monopoly - every home should be able to ask for Comcast, or Cox, or Cablevision, or Time-Warner, or AppleTV, or whoever. There's enough room under the streets to run 10-20 fiber optics, so why limit it to just 1?
Yes VIA AMENDMENT to add additional powers to the U.S. Government, not by randomly doing whatever the hell you feel like doing as if the Constitution didn't exist, which is what our Congress has been doing since the 1930s.
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>>>Oh did you forget that part, or have you just never actually read it?
Take your rudeness and shove it up your ass. I've read it. Have you? Start with Amendment 10. It makes clear that my body and its health is *reserved to my State government* not the fyucking Obma Congerres or Pelosi bitch or Harry Resid gay fiocker.
>>>He founded the Democratic-Republican party, which later disassembled itself into Democrats and Republicans
No. It disassembled itself into Democrats and Whigs. The Whigs died out. The Republicans were born about 20 years later as a separate non-affiliated party.
And no it isn't misleading to say Jefferson founded the Democratic Party, because it's a fact of history that he did exactly that. Today's D party can be traced directly to him. You may not like that fact, but there it is. Deal with it.:-)
The phrase is meant to convey that the Constitution's meaning can change over time.
Incorrect. "On every question of construction let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or intended against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed." - Thomas Jefferson
And that's exactly what the U.S. Supreme Court does. It's called "original intent" in legal circles, and it applies not just to the Constitution but all laws. When a law is unclear, then judges/justices turn to the original author and read his documentation about the law, such as the Federalist Papers written by James Madison (the Constitution's author).
For example, ever heard the phrase "separation of church and state"? It comes from Jefferson and is used when interpreting the first amendment. The meaning does not change. Words means what they say. The Constitution assigns FEW powers to Washington DC and reserves most to the States, in order to avoid Washington DC becoming a central tyrannical city like Rome once was 2000 years ago.
If you don't want it to be "living", and you want to interpret every word with strict literalism, then it will have to be revised and expanded to properly define a government's actual real world role modern life and technology.
Yes.
And?
What's do damn difficult about that? The Constitution has an amendment process to extend the U.S. government's role as required to meet the new demands of modern society. That doesn't change the fact that is should still be interpreted as written, with set powers given to the Congress, and all others reserved to the State governments.
And no it wouldn't "take at least couple of thousand pages". The Constitution is written in generalities and can be updated with a few simple amendments:
28. Congress shall have power to provide payments to the People who are elderly, juvenile, or infirm, as defined by appropriate legislation. [i.e. Social Security and Medicare and SCHIP) 29. Congress shall have power to build an Air Force. 30. Congress shall have power to regulate the atmosphere and the electromagnetic spectrum. [i.e. pollution and radio/tv stations] 31. Congress shall have power to disband any business that holds a monopoly on a market, as defined by appropriate legislation, in order to restore a competitive environment.
There. That pretty much covers everything the modern U.S. Government does. I may have forgotten some things, but as you can see I did not write a thousand pages. I wrote just a few amendments.
The Constitution does NOT give the U.S. Supreme Court power to nullify laws. It has the power to look at cases, and decide which of two parties "wins", but it was NEVER given the power to nullify Congresses' laws. According to the Constitution, any laws the Court declared "unconstitutional" should still be on the books with full power and effect. No entity was ever given the power to nullify what Congress had passed.
You presume C64_love meant "god" like in the Bible, but our universe could have been sparked-off by some intelligent alien (or alien race) from an alternate universe, or alternate dimension. Who the hell knows? Do you? I sure don't.
But you're the one who made the claim, and I quote:
After all, the initial singularity from which the universe sprung had to come from somewhere.
That's not how I read it. I was under the impression commodore64's PROFESSORS believed in a Creator because "the initial singularity came from somewhere". THEY made the claim not C64_love, and if that's true then it's understandable why he told you "I don't know" and to go ask the college profs.
Nah.... the C64 only has 16 colors and makes the ladies look pink or green.
You need to upgrade to a Commodore Amiga (released in 1985) with 4000 colors before you get the really good-looking porn with natural flesh tones. Not that I'm some kind of expert or anything. hahahahaha:-)
A tyrant will simply rewrite/re-interpret the laws to his advantage.
That's true but having the Slander/Libel Law on the books legitimizes the tyrant-president's acts ("I'm just enforcing the laws as written."). It makes him look innocent - even noble - in the eyes of the citizens.
Not having the laws on the books means the president must first ask permission from Congress first, and that adds delay, and also the possibility that Congress will not pass the law at all. It limits his power.
AND if he acts unilaterally without first passing the law, then he can be impeached for abuse of power.
Mussolini, Mao... Do you have any argument that doesn't devolve into scaremongering?
Don't know about him, but I do.
President Adams used libel laws in the 1790s to jail American newsmen, including Ben Franklin's cousin (who died in prison). President Wilson used both libel and slander laws to imprison anyone who spoke-out against the war, or his administration in general (including suffragette Alice Paul). These laws shouldn't be on the books, because they have been used by past leaders to effectively nullify the first amendment during their terms.
You don't know history. President Adams used libel laws in the 1790s to jail American newsmen, including Ben Franklin's cousin (who died in prison). President Wilson used both libel and slander laws to imprison anyone who spoke-out against the war, or his administration in general (including suffragette Alice Paul).
You call that a false dichotomy? I call it documented evidence. These laws shouldn't be on the books, because they can be (and were) used by leaders to imprison Americans in violation of their first amendment rights.
>>>eventually ATT installed a box on the pole across the street from me. This has fiber optic from the central office and DSL to the neighborhood... works great! This is not rocket science.
>>>In case this hasn't become readily apparent, the telcos typically sit on the tech and business model they currently have
Hence the need to mandate they provide, within 6 months time, a DSL hookup to any American that demands it. FORCE them to get off their asses & extend their reach by using the law.
There are no facts there. No citations. He could be making the whole thing up. Same goes for the hundreds of other links which don't back-up their claims.
This is true of virtually all U.S. Naval systems - redundancy. Unfortunately a lot of the primary/secondary wiring runs in parallel, so all it takes is a single bomb to knockout both at the same time. Rather dumb really, but even the U.S. government likes to skimp on costs.
I wonder if the UFP government also made similar stupid cost-cutting measures in the Enterprise and other ships of the line? That would explain why both systems seem to suffer failure at least once a year.
Although Americans once laughed at Europeans for favoring kinder, gentler labor policies that "hindered" economic growth, the Europeans now have the last laugh: the unemployment rate in America now exceeds the rate in several European countries.
The Americans favor a Darwinian system of employment: survival of the fittest. If you are "weak" and if you do not have the right political connections (e. g., being the beer-drinking buddy of the department head), then you will be fired. If you lose your home, your family, and commit suicide, then the Darwinian system gives only 1 reply: "Too bad, loser!"
-1 Troll.
Way to spread your European hate towards America. Why you were modded +5 insightful is a complete mystery. As for the high unemployment rate, since the housing bubble burst in the Unite States, it is logical it would be more painful in the U.S. Similarly when Japan had its bubble burst in the 1990s, it had the world's highest unemployment rate at the time. It's also worth nothing that Japan *still* is in recession... they've never recovered even though ~15 years have passed.
BTW the European Union's unemployment is now above 10% too, so I guess your presumption that the EU was doing better... is wrong.
Roads are different. Roads are several yards wide and take-up a lot of space. Fiber optics are only a millimeter in diameter, and therefore it's possible to run a bunch of them, one for each company (Comcast, Cox, AppleTV , Linux ISP, et cetera)
And in response to your question about bankruptcy, if the Comcast company went out-of-business, then their fiber wire would just go dark. (And eventually be bought by somebody else, and relit.) Not really a big deal.
Doesn't that mean you should have been able to get a 31.2 or 28.8 kbit/s connection?
Or, if we assume they halved the digital line (from 64k to 32k), then you should have been able to get half speed (16.8 kbps). No matter. One of the requirements of the 1996 Telecom Act was to make ALL phone lines capable of handling 56k digital connections, so these restrictions should all be non-existent.
(2) The number of American homes more than 20 miles from a central office is probably less than 0.1% - trivial.
(3) And for that 0.1% of homes, then the Baby Bell telephone company will just have to locate the DSLAM within distance of that home (per mandatory law) and run-out fiber optics from their office to the DSLAM. i.e. They'll have to make it work. They can get the funds from the billions of dollars Congress gave them in 1996.
The big guys like Cox and Time-Warner have plenty of dollars. They could afford to move into Comcast territory and lay parallel lines to Comcast's lines. (And vice-versa Comcast lay lines in Cox and TW territory.) Apple doesn't have much money, but Microsoft could probably afford to set-up its own internet service. Ditto Google.
And it looks like Verizon is already moving ahead, laying-down FiOS in parallel to Comcast's lines, in hopes of providing alternate television & internet services.
20 of 25 raids that day resulted in illegal drugs being found.
What smelly place did you pull that statistic from? You are right the law needs to be changed, but also the whole warrant process. "They use lots of electricity" should be rejected by judges. It's not a valid reason to suspect marijuana usage & issue a search warrant
The Dagys--Mom's a homemaker and Dad's a general manager of 21 Shell stations--would like an apology from the Carlsbad Police Department.
The rest of the world would like an apology from the Dagys for their unrestrained use energy. I guess we won't hold our breath either.
How do I mod this guy troll? This poor family was raided by 8 armed men, probably scaring the ____ out of them, and all he can think about it the 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 degree increase they might possibly be causing. (Assuming global warming is caused by California's use of hydroelectric power - which seems unlikely.)
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>>>Telecommunications Act of 1996 - we were supposed to have had 45mbit symmetrical a few YEARS ago
I've read this law, out of curiosity.
It doesn't say anything like that.
(Of course you're free to prove me wrong by quoting the Act directly.)
>>>If I read you correctly, that's 20Mbps up and down (symmetric speeds) for 26 Euros... approx $36. Wow we're getting shafted here in the US.
>>>
I can't believe how spoiled Americans are (no offense intended).
We've got ~$130,000 national debt hanging over every U.S. home,
and you're worried about a measly tenner???
How about just being satisfied with what you've got? I have 1 Mbit/s internet, and it lets me watch any streaming video/tv show I want to see. I've downloaded more gigabytes in the last year than my whole life, and the cost is only $14.99. More importantly: It didn't require any digging of my front street, because it comes in via the existing twisted pair line.
I'm happy. Why aren't you?
The FCC's proposed 100 Mbit/s line is great in theory, but what are the practical limits? Who is going to pay to dig-up thousands of miles of dirt to hookup Farmers Pat, Joe, and Billy-Bob in Nomansland Idaho (a place where the cows outnumber the people)? The government??? Sorry but China isn't loaning us any more money.
How about a *practical* answer? i.e. Simply tell the phone company to connect DSL, using existing twisted-pair lines, to anyone who demands it. Abracadabra. Broadband (i.e. wider than a phoneline) for everyone and available virtually overnight without any need to do digging.
And as for cost, we need more competition to bring down cost. Forget the current Cable TV monopoly - every home should be able to ask for Comcast, or Cox, or Cablevision, or Time-Warner, or AppleTV, or whoever. There's enough room under the streets to run 10-20 fiber optics, so why limit it to just 1?
>>>Also, it's designed to be changed.
Yes VIA AMENDMENT to add additional powers to the U.S. Government, not by randomly doing whatever the hell you feel like doing as if the Constitution didn't exist, which is what our Congress has been doing since the 1930s.
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>>>Oh did you forget that part, or have you just never actually read it?
Take your rudeness and shove it up your ass. I've read it. Have you? Start with Amendment 10. It makes clear that my body and its health is *reserved to my State government* not the fyucking Obma Congerres or Pelosi bitch or Harry Resid gay fiocker.
>>>He founded the Democratic-Republican party, which later disassembled itself into Democrats and Republicans
No. It disassembled itself into Democrats and Whigs. The Whigs died out. The Republicans were born about 20 years later as a separate non-affiliated party.
And no it isn't misleading to say Jefferson founded the Democratic Party, because it's a fact of history that he did exactly that. Today's D party can be traced directly to him. You may not like that fact, but there it is. Deal with it. :-)
The phrase is meant to convey that the Constitution's meaning can change over time.
Incorrect. "On every question of construction let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or intended against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed." - Thomas Jefferson
And that's exactly what the U.S. Supreme Court does. It's called "original intent" in legal circles, and it applies not just to the Constitution but all laws. When a law is unclear, then judges/justices turn to the original author and read his documentation about the law, such as the Federalist Papers written by James Madison (the Constitution's author).
For example, ever heard the phrase "separation of church and state"? It comes from Jefferson and is used when interpreting the first amendment. The meaning does not change. Words means what they say. The Constitution assigns FEW powers to Washington DC and reserves most to the States, in order to avoid Washington DC becoming a central tyrannical city like Rome once was 2000 years ago.
If you don't want it to be "living", and you want to interpret every word with strict literalism, then it will have to be revised and expanded to properly define a government's actual real world role modern life and technology.
Yes.
And?
What's do damn difficult about that? The Constitution has an amendment process to extend the U.S. government's role as required to meet the new demands of modern society. That doesn't change the fact that is should still be interpreted as written, with set powers given to the Congress, and all others reserved to the State governments.
And no it wouldn't "take at least couple of thousand pages". The Constitution is written in generalities and can be updated with a few simple amendments:
28. Congress shall have power to provide payments to the People who are elderly, juvenile, or infirm, as defined by appropriate legislation. [i.e. Social Security and Medicare and SCHIP)
29. Congress shall have power to build an Air Force.
30. Congress shall have power to regulate the atmosphere and the electromagnetic spectrum. [i.e. pollution and radio/tv stations]
31. Congress shall have power to disband any business that holds a monopoly on a market, as defined by appropriate legislation, in order to restore a competitive environment.
There. That pretty much covers everything the modern U.S. Government does. I may have forgotten some things, but as you can see I did not write a thousand pages. I wrote just a few amendments.
The Constitution does NOT give the U.S. Supreme Court power to nullify laws. It has the power to look at cases, and decide which of two parties "wins", but it was NEVER given the power to nullify Congresses' laws. According to the Constitution, any laws the Court declared "unconstitutional" should still be on the books with full power and effect. No entity was ever given the power to nullify what Congress had passed.
Or an intelligent alien.
You presume C64_love meant "god" like in the Bible, but our universe could have been sparked-off by some intelligent alien (or alien race) from an alternate universe, or alternate dimension. Who the hell knows? Do you? I sure don't.
But you're the one who made the claim, and I quote:
After all, the initial singularity from which the universe sprung had to come from somewhere.
That's not how I read it. I was under the impression commodore64's PROFESSORS believed in a Creator because "the initial singularity came from somewhere". THEY made the claim not C64_love, and if that's true then it's understandable why he told you "I don't know" and to go ask the college profs.
(shrug) Just my interpretation.
Nah.... the C64 only has 16 colors and makes the ladies look pink or green.
You need to upgrade to a Commodore Amiga (released in 1985) with 4000 colors before you get the really good-looking porn with natural flesh tones. Not that I'm some kind of expert or anything. hahahahaha :-)
A tyrant will simply rewrite/re-interpret the laws to his advantage.
That's true but having the Slander/Libel Law on the books legitimizes the tyrant-president's acts ("I'm just enforcing the laws as written."). It makes him look innocent - even noble - in the eyes of the citizens.
Not having the laws on the books means the president must first ask permission from Congress first, and that adds delay, and also the possibility that Congress will not pass the law at all. It limits his power.
AND if he acts unilaterally without first passing the law, then he can be impeached for abuse of power.
Mussolini, Mao... Do you have any argument that doesn't devolve into scaremongering?
Don't know about him, but I do.
President Adams used libel laws in the 1790s to jail American newsmen, including Ben Franklin's cousin (who died in prison). President Wilson used both libel and slander laws to imprison anyone who spoke-out against the war, or his administration in general (including suffragette Alice Paul). These laws shouldn't be on the books, because they have been used by past leaders to effectively nullify the first amendment during their terms.
You don't know history. President Adams used libel laws in the 1790s to jail American newsmen, including Ben Franklin's cousin (who died in prison). President Wilson used both libel and slander laws to imprison anyone who spoke-out against the war, or his administration in general (including suffragette Alice Paul).
You call that a false dichotomy? I call it documented evidence. These laws shouldn't be on the books, because they can be (and were) used by leaders to imprison Americans in violation of their first amendment rights.
>>>eventually ATT installed a box on the pole across the street from me. This has fiber optic from the central office and DSL to the neighborhood... works great! This is not rocket science.
+1 insightful. Thanks exactly what I'm talking about. Somebody else wrote:
>>>In case this hasn't become readily apparent, the telcos typically sit on the tech and business model they currently have
Hence the need to mandate they provide, within 6 months time, a DSL hookup to any American that demands it. FORCE them to get off their asses & extend their reach by using the law.
All you've done is link to some guy's opinion.
There are no facts there. No citations. He could be making the whole thing up. Same goes for the hundreds of other links which don't back-up their claims.
This is true of virtually all U.S. Naval systems - redundancy. Unfortunately a lot of the primary/secondary wiring runs in parallel, so all it takes is a single bomb to knockout both at the same time. Rather dumb really, but even the U.S. government likes to skimp on costs.
I wonder if the UFP government also made similar stupid cost-cutting measures in the Enterprise and other ships of the line? That would explain why both systems seem to suffer failure at least once a year.
Although Americans once laughed at Europeans for favoring kinder, gentler labor policies that "hindered" economic growth, the Europeans now have the last laugh: the unemployment rate in America now exceeds the rate in several European countries.
The Americans favor a Darwinian system of employment: survival of the fittest. If you are "weak" and if you do not have the right political connections (e. g., being the beer-drinking buddy of the department head), then you will be fired. If you lose your home, your family, and commit suicide, then the Darwinian system gives only 1 reply: "Too bad, loser!"
-1 Troll.
Way to spread your European hate towards America. Why you were modded +5 insightful is a complete mystery. As for the high unemployment rate, since the housing bubble burst in the Unite States, it is logical it would be more painful in the U.S. Similarly when Japan had its bubble burst in the 1990s, it had the world's highest unemployment rate at the time. It's also worth nothing that Japan *still* is in recession... they've never recovered even though ~15 years have passed.
BTW the European Union's unemployment is now above 10% too, so I guess your presumption that the EU was doing better... is wrong.
Roads are different. Roads are several yards wide and take-up a lot of space. Fiber optics are only a millimeter in diameter, and therefore it's possible to run a bunch of them, one for each company (Comcast, Cox, AppleTV , Linux ISP, et cetera)
And in response to your question about bankruptcy, if the Comcast company went out-of-business, then their fiber wire would just go dark. (And eventually be bought by somebody else, and relit.) Not really a big deal.
And if you make a driving mistake and hit a motorcyclist causing $750,000 in medical bills?
As the guy said, "MY car is not insured". Presumably he has insurance on the other guy, per the mandated minimum.
I suspect Moore basks in starting a public mud fest over the deceptions of power: his own, or anyone else's.
So in internet terminology: He's a "troll". A guy making outrageous claims, for the purpose of baiting other people, and stirring up flamewars.
Doesn't that mean you should have been able to get a 31.2 or 28.8 kbit/s connection?
Or, if we assume they halved the digital line (from 64k to 32k), then you should have been able to get half speed (16.8 kbps). No matter. One of the requirements of the 1996 Telecom Act was to make ALL phone lines capable of handling 56k digital connections, so these restrictions should all be non-existent.
(1) 1.0 Mbit/s DSL can run 20 miles.
(2) The number of American homes more than 20 miles from a central office is probably less than 0.1% - trivial.
(3) And for that 0.1% of homes, then the Baby Bell telephone company will just have to locate the DSLAM within distance of that home (per mandatory law) and run-out fiber optics from their office to the DSLAM. i.e. They'll have to make it work. They can get the funds from the billions of dollars Congress gave them in 1996.
The big guys like Cox and Time-Warner have plenty of dollars. They could afford to move into Comcast territory and lay parallel lines to Comcast's lines. (And vice-versa Comcast lay lines in Cox and TW territory.) Apple doesn't have much money, but Microsoft could probably afford to set-up its own internet service. Ditto Google.
And it looks like Verizon is already moving ahead, laying-down FiOS in parallel to Comcast's lines, in hopes of providing alternate television & internet services.
20 of 25 raids that day resulted in illegal drugs being found.
What smelly place did you pull that statistic from?
You are right the law needs to be changed, but also the whole warrant process. "They use lots of electricity" should be rejected by judges. It's not a valid reason to suspect marijuana usage & issue a search warrant
The Dagys--Mom's a homemaker and Dad's a general manager of 21 Shell stations--would like an apology from the Carlsbad Police Department.
The rest of the world would like an apology from the Dagys for their unrestrained use energy. I guess we won't hold our breath either.
How do I mod this guy troll? This poor family was raided by 8 armed men, probably scaring the ____ out of them, and all he can think about it the 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 degree increase they might possibly be causing. (Assuming global warming is caused by California's use of hydroelectric power - which seems unlikely.)