Reply To Sig: Bad commnets in code are MUCH worse than nothing. They can be misleading and you shouldnt comment unless its an effecient comment that is clear and doesnt simply echo what a line of code is doing. A comment should summarize and give a general idea. You shouldnt comment tricky code you should rewrite it;)
And of course if you can get a VBScript to the windows script host its all over but the crying... doing that from a browser is something id like to see however
In the context of the browser VBScript executes with the same permissions as JavaScript... PERIOD!
You cant create a file system object using a VBScript in a browser. It takes more than most people think to damage a machine with just VB/JavaScript. You have to use "social" engieering more than anything and trick people more than you cna directly harm their systems.. think about it
Why don't you show me some VBScript runs from a web page that can do something malicious. Ill gladly run it on my machine and click NO if its an ActiveX object and simply laugh at anything else since it simply WONT work in the browser.
Outlook has totally different access privileges why do you think all of these worms are spread. Do you know the mayhem that would be caused if ever IE browser was exploitable via VBScript?
Stop and think before trashing something for an unfounded reason.
Why even bother. You guys are just making claims that arent even true with no real basis for the claims. Why dont you test that and see how many machines with a default install of IE (Windows) that works on.. The results will suprise you
True enough it is just too open ended and inconsistent to say xyz is right or wrong. This movie was almost there as far as greatness. But marky mark did a good job but honestly it just seemed that he was shouting at people at times and not acting with much passion or feeling. The ending.. well.. no comment.;p
That is the general way trademarks work. Defend vigirously to prevent dilution or you lose the trademark. While I do not know exact circumstances and all I know that is the general idea behind a trademark.
If a company uses another companies trademark the owner HAS to defend it. If they don't the name becomes diluted and they no longer really have it.
The whole point to marketing is that you get something burned into someones brain. Once it is there you have them.
When you heard Light Saber before today the first thing that entered your mind was a Star Wars Light Sabre most likely.
In the marketing world, and we know what good marketing can do *cough MS* *cough MS*, you live and die by your brand recognition.
A lot of/.ers praise MS for their awesome marketing but never really understand some basic concepts of marketing.
I definitely think that all the money Lucas spent building up Star Wars and Light Sabre represent a lot of marketing and money. He gained the brand recognition. He deserves a legal way to defend all of the investment in mindshare. A lot of that mindshare was won through really good filmmaking and memorable marketing. Does he not deserve to defend that?
I see a lot of facetious jokes about "I hope a surgeon doesnt mix up his Light Sabres". That is plainly an asanine and not very well thought joke to make.
It is all about dilution of the trademark and not getting any negative press and thus actually damaging the trademark and investment!
I think your wrong about ms word(read: office) being scriptable.
Scripting applications is the way it will be for some time. It has ultra convenience for power users and there are so many business uses for it so that is why it is there.
Perhaps there needs to be a way to plug in other scripting langauges but no don't take away the scriptability of the applications.
I am an author for an unnamed company and they use word templates and a ton of VBA so that you can easily format text for documents that will be printed en masse. And you know what it is nice! No COM components or messy overhead. Just a quick vba installation of a Macro. The default setting is to turn macros off from anyhow.
There is a balance and taking an extreme is not always smart. Delphi might be ok for scripting word but dont make it harder for the sake of competition. Its not even competition if you have to make something more difficult to use just so the competition can compete! They arent even competition!
I think maybe something like pythin in word is practical but extending and programmatically controlling word via COM? Ugh! That raises the knowledge barrier to high for most people. Granted most users can give a care about programmability of their document processor it is still handy for customizing and benefits more than it harms IMO.
Mod layout isnt designed to really work with frames since the author "doesnt like them"
It allows you to add footers and headers to a page as well as text before and after a certain tag.
It doesnt matter if the content is produced by PHP, Jsp, Static whatever.. it will still work. IE: It goes after your PHP page, wonder how this works with output buffering tho.. hmmmn?
It ships with a BSD style license.
Meaning basically after all is said and done this can add in a couple of extra things so that you dont have to do so in your code.. In practice this might get a little messy without a well designed and managed project
You can also include Perl scripts for the header/footer. Possibly PHP / Java etc, but im not exactly sure how this works just yet.. Just playing with it
So basically if this fits within your development model or fills the niche it was designed to for you by all means use it. It is just designed to do one thing and do it very well. I think that I could find some uses for it in quite a few situations. Especially text before and after a tag:)
LOL, reminds me of some conversations me and my girlfriend had.
Here in Georgia when it rains heavy people get weird. They will begin by flipping on their hazard lites, while not illegal is incredibly annoying.
Then the next phase of driving paranoia kicks in. Phase two is the truly dangerous phase. People randomly slow down in the fast lane or rapidly change lanes going at a much slower speed than the vehicles behind them causing near immediate stops.
It is down-right distracting to watch a highway full of blinking hazard lights. People start pulling off the road left and right. All people have to do is stay in their lane, maintain a good distance between them and the person in frotn of them and keep going at 45-55. Instead people get panicky and perform these rapid lane changes to get off the road or get to the slow lane that really cause people to get hurt.
It is crazy.
The whole time im showing her these kind of people and the way they are driving she is laughing at me. She is from up north so shes quite used to doing 50 in a snow storm. She just thought people driving like this was the funniest thing. Oh well
ou have an excellent point. That is why they have been doing this for over TWO years. Its nothing special. They ARE capitalizing on palms success. Even the Visual Studio for WinCE is freely available. This isnt even a token gesture.
Anyhow.. this isnt anything special and its been going on for quite some time. So they said hey! Lets play marketing and make like this is a big deal, like they always do.
I have had access to the source for quite a while. Along with their development tools freely available as well.
WinCE source has BEEN available on MSDN for as long as I can remember. I have compiled and played with WinCE source for at least two years. This is nothing special.
The source has been available for quite some time.
Granted WinCE 3.0 under their "Shared Source" lic. The source has been available to enterprising individiauls who hav eaccess to MSDN for quite some time. Ive compiled WinCE myself.. They make the tools to develop with WinCE freely available. The whole idea was to kind of emulate Palm's success. They just threw it under MSDN... But dont believe for a moment they have done anything, not even honestly a token gesture. Those of us who wanted to see the source have already seen it.
If your on the MSDN network you can get the source from the CD's. Im sorry this is a bad example since the source has always been available... They arent doing anyone any favors here...
We saw one that was not nearly as long. Only the N's and say the first three lines ucbd3% u7801%u9090 and that is it.. It is a variation on the same exploit. Not the China worm I dont believe.:(
It just stopped IIS but didnt do anything else. Kept taking IIS down.. *sigh*
We watched a worm today hitting our IIS machine. With a few hacked up perl scripts I wrote I captured some of the HTTP requests.
Has anyone seen something like.. (from memory bear with me)/index.ida?NNN(Repeat N a BUNCH of times)%u6380%u9090%u0000
Something like that.. I knowt he middle was 9090. I dont think this was the china worm.. our index page wasnt replaced or hacked. It continually shut down our IIS service. Removing our IIS mappings to everything but the extensions we needed stopped the crash. It became progressively worse to the point where our ISDN being hit with these requests every second.
I found the security bulletin (033?) on the MS site etc. Its pretty interesting. Anyhow.. Just figured id share.
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Reply To Sig: Bad commnets in code are MUCH worse than nothing. They can be misleading and you shouldnt comment unless its an effecient comment that is clear and doesnt simply echo what a line of code is doing. A comment should summarize and give a general idea. You shouldnt comment tricky code you should rewrite it ;)
Jeremy
In a browser, VBScript is harmless.
Dont confuse VBScript with an ActiveX control
THey are totally different.
And of course if you can get a VBScript to the windows script host its all over but the crying... doing that from a browser is something id like to see however
Jeremy
*sigh*
In the context of the browser VBScript executes with the same permissions as JavaScript... PERIOD!
You cant create a file system object using a VBScript in a browser. It takes more than most people think to damage a machine with just VB/JavaScript. You have to use "social" engieering more than anything and trick people more than you cna directly harm their systems.. think about it
Why don't you show me some VBScript runs from a web page that can do something malicious. Ill gladly run it on my machine and click NO if its an ActiveX object and simply laugh at anything else since it simply WONT work in the browser.
Outlook has totally different access privileges why do you think all of these worms are spread. Do you know the mayhem that would be caused if ever IE browser was exploitable via VBScript?
Stop and think before trashing something for an unfounded reason.
Jeremy
Sure cant. The most that can be done is the playing of sounds on a end users hardware. Beyond that nope..
/think ;)
Gotta love random
Jeremy
Good try. But wrong
Why even bother. You guys are just making claims that arent even true with no real basis for the claims. Why dont you test that and see how many machines with a default install of IE (Windows) that works on.. The results will suprise you
Jeremy
True enough it is just too open ended and inconsistent to say xyz is right or wrong. This movie was almost there as far as greatness. But marky mark did a good job but honestly it just seemed that he was shouting at people at times and not acting with much passion or feeling. The ending.. well.. no comment. ;p
It was not earth so there could have also already been humans on the planet.
:)
They had primitive tech so I dont seem to think they are survivors of oberon.
Jeremy
That is the general way trademarks work. Defend vigirously to prevent dilution or you lose the trademark. While I do not know exact circumstances and all I know that is the general idea behind a trademark.
Jeremy
If a company uses another companies trademark the owner HAS to defend it. If they don't the name becomes diluted and they no longer really have it.
/.ers praise MS for their awesome marketing but never really understand some basic concepts of marketing.
The whole point to marketing is that you get something burned into someones brain. Once it is there you have them.
When you heard Light Saber before today the first thing that entered your mind was a Star Wars Light Sabre most likely.
In the marketing world, and we know what good marketing can do *cough MS* *cough MS*, you live and die by your brand recognition.
A lot of
I definitely think that all the money Lucas spent building up Star Wars and Light Sabre represent a lot of marketing and money. He gained the brand recognition. He deserves a legal way to defend all of the investment in mindshare. A lot of that mindshare was won through really good filmmaking and memorable marketing. Does he not deserve to defend that?
I see a lot of facetious jokes about "I hope a surgeon doesnt mix up his Light Sabres". That is plainly an asanine and not very well thought joke to make.
It is all about dilution of the trademark and not getting any negative press and thus actually damaging the trademark and investment!
Jeremy
Sorry,
I think your wrong about ms word(read: office) being scriptable.
Scripting applications is the way it will be for some time. It has ultra convenience for power users and there are so many business uses for it so that is why it is there.
Perhaps there needs to be a way to plug in other scripting langauges but no don't take away the scriptability of the applications.
I am an author for an unnamed company and they use word templates and a ton of VBA so that you can easily format text for documents that will be printed en masse. And you know what it is nice! No COM components or messy overhead. Just a quick vba installation of a Macro. The default setting is to turn macros off from anyhow.
There is a balance and taking an extreme is not always smart. Delphi might be ok for scripting word but dont make it harder for the sake of competition. Its not even competition if you have to make something more difficult to use just so the competition can compete! They arent even competition!
I think maybe something like pythin in word is practical but extending and programmatically controlling word via COM? Ugh! That raises the knowledge barrier to high for most people. Granted most users can give a care about programmability of their document processor it is still handy for customizing and benefits more than it harms IMO.
Thanks
Jeremy
Hosting company? There could be plenty of reasons for that ratio.
To many assumptions
Jeremy
Mod layout isnt designed to really work with frames since the author "doesnt like them"
:)
It allows you to add footers and headers to a page as well as text before and after a certain tag.
It doesnt matter if the content is produced by PHP, Jsp, Static whatever.. it will still work. IE: It goes after your PHP page, wonder how this works with output buffering tho.. hmmmn?
It ships with a BSD style license.
Meaning basically after all is said and done this can add in a couple of extra things so that you dont have to do so in your code.. In practice this might get a little messy without a well designed and managed project
You can also include Perl scripts for the header/footer. Possibly PHP / Java etc, but im not exactly sure how this works just yet.. Just playing with it
So basically if this fits within your development model or fills the niche it was designed to for you by all means use it. It is just designed to do one thing and do it very well. I think that I could find some uses for it in quite a few situations. Especially text before and after a tag
Jeremy
Do'h
;)
What is the point to a threaded discussion if no one uses the threaded part
Jeremy
Hmmn, You replied to yourself referreing to your parent self as an AC? :)
Jeremy
LOL, reminds me of some conversations me and my girlfriend had.
Here in Georgia when it rains heavy people get weird. They will begin by flipping on their hazard lites, while not illegal is incredibly annoying.
Then the next phase of driving paranoia kicks in. Phase two is the truly dangerous phase. People randomly slow down in the fast lane or rapidly change lanes going at a much slower speed than the vehicles behind them causing near immediate stops.
It is down-right distracting to watch a highway full of blinking hazard lights. People start pulling off the road left and right. All people have to do is stay in their lane, maintain a good distance between them and the person in frotn of them and keep going at 45-55. Instead people get panicky and perform these rapid lane changes to get off the road or get to the slow lane that really cause people to get hurt.
It is crazy.
The whole time im showing her these kind of people and the way they are driving she is laughing at me. She is from up north so shes quite used to doing 50 in a snow storm. She just thought people driving like this was the funniest thing. Oh well
Jeremy
If the MS Office Helper were a driving assistant...
"I can see that you have your opportunity to turn left." *helper accelerates vehicle and turns vehicle left*
BSOD!
*Car stops in middle of road*
</shamless humor>
*sigh*
Sorry.. Could not help myself
I try to install it and it has a hardcoded dependency on the target system having a C drive!
It wont even install...
Hint: I dont have a C drive.
LOL.. good thing the source has been available for over two years on MSDN.
Jeremy
ou have an excellent point. That is why they have been doing this for over TWO years. Its nothing special. They ARE capitalizing on palms success. Even the Visual Studio for WinCE is freely available. This isnt even a token gesture.
Anyhow.. this isnt anything special and its been going on for quite some time. So they said hey! Lets play marketing and make like this is a big deal, like they always do.
Jeremy
I have had access to the source for quite a while. Along with their development tools freely available as well.
WinCE source has BEEN available on MSDN for as long as I can remember. I have compiled and played with WinCE source for at least two years. This is nothing special.
Its not even a token gesture.
Jeremy
The source has been available for quite some time.
Granted WinCE 3.0 under their "Shared Source" lic. The source has been available to enterprising individiauls who hav eaccess to MSDN for quite some time. Ive compiled WinCE myself.. They make the tools to develop with WinCE freely available. The whole idea was to kind of emulate Palm's success. They just threw it under MSDN... But dont believe for a moment they have done anything, not even honestly a token gesture. Those of us who wanted to see the source have already seen it.
Jeremy
Like their current "Shared Source" idea is any more free? Point is they arent even doing anything special that they havent already been doing :)
Jeremy
I have had the source of WinCE for a LONG time.
.. They arent doing anyone any favors here...
If your on the MSDN network you can get the source from the CD's. Im sorry this is a bad example since the source has always been available.
Jeremy
It already is... mssearch.exe did seem rather busy on a machine that doesnt use index server for anything. ;)
:)
Jeremy
We saw one that was not nearly as long. Only the N's and say the first three lines ucbd3% u7801%u9090 and that is it.. It is a variation on the same exploit. Not the China worm I dont believe. :(
It just stopped IIS but didnt do anything else. Kept taking IIS down.. *sigh*
Jeremy
Hey!
/index.ida?NNN(Repeat N a BUNCH of times)%u6380%u9090%u0000
I hope you see this
We watched a worm today hitting our IIS machine. With a few hacked up perl scripts I wrote I captured some of the HTTP requests.
Has anyone seen something like.. (from memory bear with me)
Something like that.. I knowt he middle was 9090. I dont think this was the china worm.. our index page wasnt replaced or hacked. It continually shut down our IIS service. Removing our IIS mappings to everything but the extensions we needed stopped the crash. It became progressively worse to the point where our ISDN being hit with these requests every second.
I found the security bulletin (033?) on the MS site etc. Its pretty interesting. Anyhow.. Just figured id share.
Jeremy