What about the whole Rapid Application Development philosophy?
I think it still applies that in a month I can write a very useful application using something such as Visual Basic or Delphi (Kylix)
The time in development does not have to fall soley on MY shoulders. The Delphi people have spent many years coding the base libraries and IDE for Delphi. How does this entire development philosophy fit into this guys plan?
What about 4Gl's where many years have been spent refining these languages. Many years have been spent thinking of how to make programming flexible (to a degree) and easier. Does this not/cheat/ the example given since you have so much time invested into your platform that you can get a good boost having such a strong underlying development platform?
I am not implying any such a platform exists I am just stating that it seems to me this is quite feasible with the right tools. Maybe they are not out there yet but they will be some day.
I just think that in software development you will find many rules and philosiphies spring up only to be later invalidated as the nature of the beast changes.
Some books are better than others. Some people might be very new to the whole internet search engine thing and not be using a good search engine. Some people might really want to learn about computers and need SOME place to start. You cant just assume they can go to the bookstore and pick just the book they needed when they may not even know what TCP/IP is and not even have a vague clue of where to start to debug a problem.
It is not fair to new users who are interested. Just saying go learn! Go do this go do that etc. Oh well.. its just elitist. Yeah it gets old. So make a FAQ website and say go here read a bit I think your Q is here. Or Suggest a good book or good website. All websites are not equal and what is better than a pool of humans to supply the best/book/website so the experience is easy? Why not share your knowledge a little?
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You know.. I didnt look at the information on who the post was written buy and I saw all the smileys and your name popped into my head about the time I finished your post.
All I am saying is that people need to back off. God forbid I dare to say something other than "CmdrTaco is an idiot". Even he said it but seriously if your gonna make such extreme claims people should be willing to have real proof not just "You don't read/. do you bud?"
/. has changed some. Yes it has lost a little of its old luster but thats what happens when people and sites grow. They change.
Again, Back-Off and dont read the site if the people who run it are such idiots. Complaning and being rude has obviously not improved the situation.
Heh heh, sounds like you had a bad week with Java. I Don't think it is quite extreme for so many people. Just a bad string of events. Good luck. I have always had the best of experiences implementing Java on the server side for processing business rules and logic.
Maybe/. was in the right place at the right time but I dont see you running a webserver that can post a link and bring most servers on the net to their knees.
The/. crew regardless has accumulated a wealth of knowledge and experience in their adventures with/. im quite sure. To disregard this knowledge as useless is a fatal mistake.
Maybe CmdrTaco doesnt have a Ph.D. Maybe/. is a crappy site according to all of you now. Maybe CmdrTaco sold his soul to the devil. Maybe a lot of things. But this is how it is and while/. isnt one of the top 250 or anything it/is/ one of the most popular open source lounging grounds out there. The diversity and spectrum of people here is immense.
I think that to just discredit someone for some reason you didnt even name is purely asanine. If your gonna take a crack at someone at least back your point up. Your just being an ass. All I see are people giving CmdrTaco complete shit. What you don't have anything better to do than analyze the grammatical structure of a/. editors sentences? Back-Off. On most forums youd just be censored and forgotten about. You should feel thankful/. allows open criticism without censoring. But some of the time you guys just take it too far.
It is that GPL virus infecting everyone. Throw in the use of patents on something that is new and novel and the zealots shall talk about "lumination coeffecients" and generally discredit the damn thing without even actually using it;p ITs the typical a geek knows it all syndrome. Oh well.
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Unfortunately the cars of now a days are significantly differnet under the hood. And hey if spending a lil cash on shaping the plastic and sheet metal sells the things who cares?
Thats true and it is not. It is a lot of things they are shoving under. But it/does/ have a definable set of beta software at this point. There are some core ideas. Its so obfuscated because its a lot of things to a lot of different people. When the software hits people computers en masse a more central focus will be gained on how to use.NET. There are a lot of cool things coming with the.NET stuff that Java does not do. Research it some and get a better grasp. There are plenty of books from ms press from people who have a clue. Believe what you like but microsoft is betting a lot on.NET.
Why do you think Microsoft has been marketing the GPL as a virus. Making it look bad to the same people.NET is marketed too? You think they really give a shit about GPL?
Only insofar as they can use it as a marketing tool, far fetched but yes. Oh give me a break please. THey are only dicking around with some small inconsequential to the majority package (Moviel net SDk or something) making it GPL incompatible. Its all marketing and real cheap for them to do at that.
Buttering everyone up so that when their.NET CLR for Linux hits they are now the "Savior". They know people will reverse engineer. THey wont fight it. But you can be damn sure/they/ are the ones with the legitimate port and can control their lic and software in that way. Oh they are going into new "open grounds" you bet. But heh, only to control them too. I cant believe even people like ESR and MIguel are so damn focused that the Mundie speakings and all are the immediate threat. They arent..NET is. IF You even think that MS are ultimately evil and out to destroy you. WHatever. I dont get involved. But you can bet that MS doesnt just do marketing for one single purpose. Eveyrone knows they are/brilliant/ at the game of marketing. THink about it.
It isnt a monopoly. When one company controlled every aspect of some resource, it was a monoply. The bells anyone? Total control over your phones.
Oh how about the oil and steel monopolies. They had true monopolies in every sense of the word.
How can one company such as Microsoft control a nearly all computing resources when this is a nearly intangible idea? They/do/ practice shitty business but thats something different. The consumers are responsible for not buying into the crap. And the corporations that buy into it and force it on their users are supposed to not buy it if their users complain and move up the corporate hierarchy.
While I am being a bit idealistic think about it. People just accept it. There is nothing else in their minds. No one is making anything better. Open Source people are trying, but they arent hitting the mark and never will in MS' domain.
It is something that defies logic. Yet, they cant strictly be classified as a monopoly under the true term of the word. I can install one of the many other OS' to do my work if I wish. NOTIHNG is stopping them from being better than the competition. Not a damn thing. Yet they are'nt. Why? Oh because MS has so much more money you say? I say bollocks. Look at Netscape. Nuff said. Just some food for thought.
This is a game to MS. Gee slap a lic on a minor SDK toss a few VP's to a few public forums. Have a few web monkeys update websites. Make a few press releases. DISTRACT the Linux people from the impending storm that will be.NET and and their true fight with OS X.
Keep the Linuxites busy. Its just/brilliant/ marketing. Its hardly an expense to them to play around with such minor stuff to distract everyone. Not one person here has considered they are just fucking around with the Free Softwave/Open Source people. No one, its amazing.
Peoplea re just damn sure that MS is attacking them and its time to rally the troops and fight back and bring anti trust suits agains them and.... I think my point is made by this entire story being posted again with a slightly twisted view.
Even folks like Miguel don't get it. Hes closer, but no only partially right.
Funny if you ask me. MS doesnt do stuff like this unless its purpose is multifold and fits in with their overall plan. Oh and I think.NET and XP are their overall plan. This is just a minor thing to MS but a huge thing to the folks here at/. It shows how fucking smart they ARE to pull the wool over everyones eyes.
Bah.NET is just an attack on Java etc. etc. Yeah well maybe it is but it happens to have every windows desktop behind it. Oh wait you means thats 90% of the market now using CLR. Wow, Java doesnt claim that yet.
The whole idea, its working, is to distract those concerned with what they are saying. Yes I think that is all of you guys responding like so on this forum. Forthright with their intentions? I THINK NOT.
Found this on some news site, I forget where but heresthe gist of it.
It is a/brilliant/ marketing scheme they are pulling off. Rile up the open source people, make some minor tool kit GPL incompatible while they prepare.NET to to have a CLR on Linux.
The point is that most people wont see this coming and your average joe is going to see what a Virus these open source hippies have created. MS to the rescue with.NET and the platform that is the savior of Linux!
I don't know if that strikes a chord in you but its how good marketing is done. You should always accomplish more than public awareness with such marketing and oh how they are.
Mark my words, when.NET hits Linux it will make a scene and I don't think some of the dust will settle for quite a time.
I drive a Mustang with a 302 in it. I am low to the ground and SUV's are my eternal bane. Big trucks etc. I live in a city that is almost ALL mid-upper-class-i-drive-an-excursion-for-my-family -of-4-becuase-i-am-a-yuppie. I watch them gas up and plop 50 bucks down for a tank of the cheapest gasoline here, were talking $1.30 a gallon, yet still costing 50 dollars! I bet they dont get as far as MY car does.
But still the gas mileage argument can also apply to ineffecient cars. Granted I know SUV's are a much alrger problem I dont see people bitching about motor heads such as myself who like performance machines:)
Anyhow, something to think about. Its inevitable when you have more money than it requires to live your chosen life style then you will find way sto spend said money.
As a writer of technical books myself I can say that any book written and on the shelves is an accomplishment.
Just so you guys know writing is NOT at all about the money. Hell writing this book represents the fact that someone with very specalized knowledge had the courage to try and share that with the rest of the world. It is not an easy task and writing a good book takes a huge amount of skill and dedication to the craft.
After writing myself I have a newfound apprecation for books such as Bruce Eckels because not only is it a good book to have but the admiration goes even deeper and down to the writing style.
A well written book is truly art.
Props to you for sharing with the world, I know what thankless task writing can be.
Look, and your part of the reason no doubt,/. is like home to a bazillion computer geeks. A small minority that is hugely vocal.
Okay, so peope get stressed and felings get bruised. Someone quit under certain circumstances. It was not anyones business honestly to post that to the FRONT PAGE of slash dot. Its none of our business. They are being damn nice as it is being this open with it. Things get crazy when you have THAT MUCH stress on top of you. Its like the end of the world to the people trying to fix it.. trust me I have been there.
I know that its a bad reflection upon your business and all to hear of things like this POSTED to your site about how badly configured stuff was behind the scenes. At least at first glance.
I am glad to hear the actual details and not some PR created legally scrubbed crap (assuming there was no scrubbing in there...) There always are bad moments when you get a group of cranky nerds up way past their bedtimes under a lot of stress, but hey thats what makes us human. So props to you guys for being open with this kind of stuff:P Its nice to know some people are honest...
I remember the golden days of mortal kombat in the arcades. Up and to about MK II. That game was a lot of fun. Every arcade had one guy that could just kick almost anyones ass. You could keep playing. You knew your quarters were a lost cause against this guy. But it was just so much fun having the competitive environment. But you know fighting games havent significantly changed since then. It *does* get old after you can play stuff that is more fun at home. Hey if that environment were still there and new and cool games were going in that didnt cost a buck to play id still drop by an arcade to do more than play air-hockey, which btw is still a great game that you have to play at an arcade unless you wanna drop 5K for a nice table.
That particular market was killed by the people charging more and more for what essentially remains something you cant put a price on (Time). Seriously 99% of the time im willing to drop a quarter in a game to try it out. But 50-100 cents? Forget it. Too expensive.
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What about the whole Rapid Application Development philosophy?
/cheat/ the example given since you have so much time invested into your platform that you can get a good boost having such a strong underlying development platform?
I think it still applies that in a month I can write a very useful application using something such as Visual Basic or Delphi (Kylix)
The time in development does not have to fall soley on MY shoulders. The Delphi people have spent many years coding the base libraries and IDE for Delphi. How does this entire development philosophy fit into this guys plan?
What about 4Gl's where many years have been spent refining these languages. Many years have been spent thinking of how to make programming flexible (to a degree) and easier. Does this not
I am not implying any such a platform exists I am just stating that it seems to me this is quite feasible with the right tools. Maybe they are not out there yet but they will be some day.
I just think that in software development you will find many rules and philosiphies spring up only to be later invalidated as the nature of the beast changes.
Anyhow, laters.
Jeremy
Some books are better than others. Some people might be very new to the whole internet search engine thing and not be using a good search engine. Some people might really want to learn about computers and need SOME place to start. You cant just assume they can go to the bookstore and pick just the book they needed when they may not even know what TCP/IP is and not even have a vague clue of where to start to debug a problem.
It is not fair to new users who are interested. Just saying go learn! Go do this go do that etc. Oh well.. its just elitist. Yeah it gets old. So make a FAQ website and say go here read a bit I think your Q is here. Or Suggest a good book or good website. All websites are not equal and what is better than a pool of humans to supply the best/book/website so the experience is easy? Why not share your knowledge a little?
Jeremy
You just trolling?
Google ain't nowhere on there.
Read the article.
Jeremy
Games dont really count :)
You know.. I didnt look at the information on who the post was written buy and I saw all the smileys and your name popped into my head about the time I finished your post.
Jeremy (Allen)
Yes I read /.
/. do you bud?"
All I am saying is that people need to back off. God forbid I dare to say something other than "CmdrTaco is an idiot". Even he said it but seriously if your gonna make such extreme claims people should be willing to have real proof not just "You don't read
/. has changed some. Yes it has lost a little of its old luster but thats what happens when people and sites grow. They change.
Again, Back-Off and dont read the site if the people who run it are such idiots. Complaning and being rude has obviously not improved the situation.
Jeremy
Where does a User Interface come into play with Server Side business logic?
Jeremy
Heh heh, sounds like you had a bad week with Java. I Don't think it is quite extreme for so many people. Just a bad string of events. Good luck. I have always had the best of experiences implementing Java on the server side for processing business rules and logic.
Jeremy
You know....
/. was in the right place at the right time but I dont see you running a webserver that can post a link and bring most servers on the net to their knees.
/. crew regardless has accumulated a wealth of knowledge and experience in their adventures with /. im quite sure. To disregard this knowledge as useless is a fatal mistake.
/. is a crappy site according to all of you now. Maybe CmdrTaco sold his soul to the devil. Maybe a lot of things. But this is how it is and while /. isnt one of the top 250 or anything it /is/ one of the most popular open source lounging grounds out there. The diversity and spectrum of people here is immense.
/. editors sentences? Back-Off. On most forums youd just be censored and forgotten about. You should feel thankful /. allows open criticism without censoring. But some of the time you guys just take it too far.
You people are downright RUDE!
Maybe
The
Maybe CmdrTaco doesnt have a Ph.D. Maybe
I think that to just discredit someone for some reason you didnt even name is purely asanine. If your gonna take a crack at someone at least back your point up. Your just being an ass. All I see are people giving CmdrTaco complete shit. What you don't have anything better to do than analyze the grammatical structure of a
Jeremy
You think?
Running water OVER a cat such as in a shower traumatizes the poor things.
TRy filling the tub of water when the cat is not around maybe only an inch full and using a cup to rinse them
It is that GPL virus infecting everyone. Throw in the use of patents on something that is new and novel and the zealots shall talk about "lumination coeffecients" and generally discredit the damn thing without even actually using it ;p ITs the typical a geek knows it all syndrome. Oh well.
Unfortunately the cars of now a days are significantly differnet under the hood. And hey if spending a lil cash on shaping the plastic and sheet metal sells the things who cares?
Thats true and it is not. It is a lot of things they are shoving under. But it /does/ have a definable set of beta software at this point. There are some core ideas. Its so obfuscated because its a lot of things to a lot of different people. When the software hits people computers en masse a more central focus will be gained on how to use .NET. There are a lot of cool things coming with the .NET stuff that Java does not do. Research it some and get a better grasp. There are plenty of books from ms press from people who have a clue. Believe what you like but microsoft is betting a lot on .NET.
Why do you think Microsoft has been marketing the GPL as a virus. Making it look bad to the same people .NET is marketed too? You think they really give a shit about GPL?
.NET CLR for Linux hits they are now the "Savior". They know people will reverse engineer. THey wont fight it. But you can be damn sure /they/ are the ones with the legitimate port and can control their lic and software in that way. Oh they are going into new "open grounds" you bet. But heh, only to control them too. I cant believe even people like ESR and MIguel are so damn focused that the Mundie speakings and all are the immediate threat. They arent. .NET is. IF You even think that MS are ultimately evil and out to destroy you. WHatever. I dont get involved. But you can bet that MS doesnt just do marketing for one single purpose. Eveyrone knows they are /brilliant/ at the game of marketing. THink about it.
Only insofar as they can use it as a marketing tool, far fetched but yes. Oh give me a break please. THey are only dicking around with some small inconsequential to the majority package (Moviel net SDk or something) making it GPL incompatible. Its all marketing and real cheap for them to do at that.
Buttering everyone up so that when their
Jeremy
It isnt a monopoly. When one company controlled every aspect of some resource, it was a monoply. The bells anyone? Total control over your phones.
/do/ practice shitty business but thats something different. The consumers are responsible for not buying into the crap. And the corporations that buy into it and force it on their users are supposed to not buy it if their users complain and move up the corporate hierarchy.
Oh how about the oil and steel monopolies. They had true monopolies in every sense of the word.
How can one company such as Microsoft control a nearly all computing resources when this is a nearly intangible idea? They
While I am being a bit idealistic think about it. People just accept it. There is nothing else in their minds. No one is making anything better. Open Source people are trying, but they arent hitting the mark and never will in MS' domain.
It is something that defies logic. Yet, they cant strictly be classified as a monopoly under the true term of the word. I can install one of the many other OS' to do my work if I wish. NOTIHNG is stopping them from being better than the competition. Not a damn thing. Yet they are'nt. Why? Oh because MS has so much more money you say? I say bollocks. Look at Netscape. Nuff said. Just some food for thought.
Jeremy
km/hor about 105 mph, my stang does that in its sleep ;)
Jeremy
This is a game to MS. Gee slap a lic on a minor SDK toss a few VP's to a few public forums. Have a few web monkeys update websites. Make a few press releases. DISTRACT the Linux people from the impending storm that will be .NET and and their true fight with OS X.
/brilliant/ marketing. Its hardly an expense to them to play around with such minor stuff to distract everyone. Not one person here has considered they are just fucking around with the Free Softwave/Open Source people. No one, its amazing.
.... I think my point is made by this entire story being posted again with a slightly twisted view.
.NET and XP are their overall plan. This is just a minor thing to MS but a huge thing to the folks here at /. It shows how fucking smart they ARE to pull the wool over everyones eyes.
.NET is just an attack on Java etc. etc. Yeah well maybe it is but it happens to have every windows desktop behind it. Oh wait you means thats 90% of the market now using CLR. Wow, Java doesnt claim that yet.
Keep the Linuxites busy. Its just
Peoplea re just damn sure that MS is attacking them and its time to rally the troops and fight back and bring anti trust suits agains them and
Even folks like Miguel don't get it. Hes closer, but no only partially right.
Funny if you ask me. MS doesnt do stuff like this unless its purpose is multifold and fits in with their overall plan. Oh and I think
Bah
Oh the irony is so rich and thick here.
Jeremy
The whole idea, its working, is to distract those concerned with what they are saying. Yes I think that is all of you guys responding like so on this forum. Forthright with their intentions? I THINK NOT.
/brilliant/ marketing scheme they are pulling off. Rile up the open source people, make some minor tool kit GPL incompatible while they prepare .NET to to have a CLR on Linux.
.NET and the platform that is the savior of Linux!
.NET hits Linux it will make a scene and I don't think some of the dust will settle for quite a time.
Found this on some news site, I forget where but heresthe gist of it.
It is a
The point is that most people wont see this coming and your average joe is going to see what a Virus these open source hippies have created. MS to the rescue with
I don't know if that strikes a chord in you but its how good marketing is done. You should always accomplish more than public awareness with such marketing and oh how they are.
Mark my words, when
Jeremy
Hehe,
;)
The distinction is that Linux doesnt RUN the mainframe.
Get it? No one in their right mind uses it for anything mission critical.
They leave that to the real OS'
Jeremy
Gas Mileage,
y -of-4-becuase-i-am-a-yuppie. I watch them gas up and plop 50 bucks down for a tank of the cheapest gasoline here, were talking $1.30 a gallon, yet still costing 50 dollars! I bet they dont get as far as MY car does.
:)
On a good day my car gets 21mpg.
On a day in the city I get 14-16 if im lucky.
I drive a Mustang with a 302 in it. I am low to the ground and SUV's are my eternal bane. Big trucks etc. I live in a city that is almost ALL mid-upper-class-i-drive-an-excursion-for-my-famil
But still the gas mileage argument can also apply to ineffecient cars. Granted I know SUV's are a much alrger problem I dont see people bitching about motor heads such as myself who like performance machines
Anyhow, something to think about. Its inevitable when you have more money than it requires to live your chosen life style then you will find way sto spend said money.
Jeremy
meta-meta moderators (read: /. editors)
Congratulations,
As a writer of technical books myself I can say that any book written and on the shelves is an accomplishment.
Just so you guys know writing is NOT at all about the money. Hell writing this book represents the fact that someone with very specalized knowledge had the courage to try and share that with the rest of the world. It is not an easy task and writing a good book takes a huge amount of skill and dedication to the craft.
After writing myself I have a newfound apprecation for books such as Bruce Eckels because not only is it a good book to have but the admiration goes even deeper and down to the writing style.
A well written book is truly art.
Props to you for sharing with the world, I know what thankless task writing can be.
Jeremy
Look, and your part of the reason no doubt, /. is like home to a bazillion computer geeks. A small minority that is hugely vocal.
Okay, so peope get stressed and felings get bruised. Someone quit under certain circumstances. It was not anyones business honestly to post that to the FRONT PAGE of slash dot. Its none of our business. They are being damn nice as it is being this open with it. Things get crazy when you have THAT MUCH stress on top of you. Its like the end of the world to the people trying to fix it.. trust me I have been there.
Anyway, just let it go folks..
Jeremy
I know that its a bad reflection upon your business and all to hear of things like this POSTED to your site about how badly configured stuff was behind the scenes. At least at first glance.
:P Its nice to know some people are honest...
I am glad to hear the actual details and not some PR created legally scrubbed crap (assuming there was no scrubbing in there...) There always are bad moments when you get a group of cranky nerds up way past their bedtimes under a lot of stress, but hey thats what makes us human. So props to you guys for being open with this kind of stuff
Jeremy
I remember the golden days of mortal kombat in the arcades. Up and to about MK II. That game was a lot of fun. Every arcade had one guy that could just kick almost anyones ass. You could keep playing. You knew your quarters were a lost cause against this guy. But it was just so much fun having the competitive environment. But you know fighting games havent significantly changed since then. It *does* get old after you can play stuff that is more fun at home. Hey if that environment were still there and new and cool games were going in that didnt cost a buck to play id still drop by an arcade to do more than play air-hockey, which btw is still a great game that you have to play at an arcade unless you wanna drop 5K for a nice table.
That particular market was killed by the people charging more and more for what essentially remains something you cant put a price on (Time). Seriously 99% of the time im willing to drop a quarter in a game to try it out. But 50-100 cents? Forget it. Too expensive.
Jeremy