So true, anyone with any mental capacity can do a reptative mental task over and over and over you dont need much of a break to maintain productivity you dont have to solve anything beyond what to do next and gee guess what its the same thing youve been doing
Whereas, every day you run a mental jungle gym and without *SOMETIHNG* in there to help refresh your brain and distract you (at least with a guy) you know smaller problems to help you solve the bigger problems, you arent going to achieve a very high level of proficiency. As you go your mental capacity to solve problems increases along with your logical skills period so that maybe some tasks you dont have to think so hard about any more, however most of my days im faced with challenging problems still and I enjoy a quick 10 minute break of nailing my boss with pennies and whatever else comes close to hand... Or walking around the office making fun of people going down the one way street the wrong way (owch), whatever just anything to distract you for a little while, its required.
Only like the most focused inidivduals can deal with no breaks, and honestly ive only met one programmer who did that, and I still wondera bout him so, nuff said.
Its a prett valid point honestly, one that he could even be right about and so could you.
Save for the fact that I have first hand experienced what having the source avaialble can mean to being able to do something.
I modded apache source at work once and it gave us the ability to do things otherwise impossible, so its nice that you say that but its like comparing apples and oranges on this topic.
First of all, Yes I have read some source code, for the kernel and apache, ive even modded apache, thats irrelevant honestly. Just givne the fact that I *CAN* and anyone else CAN means a whole lot... The fact that I cant with a closed source OS given an extreme learning curve (reading assembler basically) means that other people STILL can and im powerless unless I have no life or I wait for said closed source vendor to fix shit..
Using your example, nearly verbatim, Im aware not everyone has pure intentions such as that, but where it counts I think there are at least more than a few honest folks out there, such as myself.
Namely with so many eyes seeing the code, using your figure out of 1000, you know 997 of them can see the buffer exploit and submit a patch for it, and most of them would do so
so you have 997 eyes on one set of source code, and 3 or 4 eyes only meaning to crack since they know they cant change the source for a binary.
You see? I trust open OS much more than anything else, because of the fact that I can read C source code and many others CAN, and ive even dug around with SoftICE, and know enough x86 assembler to do some more ismple stuff
The point is.... saying closed source is secure is a fallacy, and to get back to the real world, why not just compare the overall number of hacks to the systems
They are both cracked just about as often and the fact remains with competent administration its not even really an issue.... Point and case OpenBSD, of course all of these security experts who use it must be wrong, guys like counterpane should be using W2k for their high security firewalls right?
That if this was real people would know about it? Its not exactly like these companies keep secrets they have to hype their products...
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yes, but without neat cool things to do there would be no reason to make the computers more stable and more fast would there?
We wouldnt have to worry about using anything but those "totally adequate" 386's ehh?
If no one ever dared to push the limits of everything, and of no one ever dared to be different or try something new how would we know what works and what doesnt?
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who is making you use it?
Why not get some use outta a 3D card than gaming?
Different strokes for different folks...Diversity to an extent is good, this is a good kind.
if you look at what computer science really is, it is just applied mathematics.
Now, things like this are really cool because even if the resulsts are basically useless, the process behind achieving these resulsts helps develop new ways to think, so this DOES help
If your work requires a certain attire and you buy these clothes for work tis a tax write off, I usually end up (honestly) buying about 300 - 400 dollars in clothes... tax write off, I get it back
I have always wondered, I haven ever taken a phsyics class other than HS, but do you hear the sonic boom as you descend?? I know it is not just "one boom" but a constant effect, so since your traveling faster you dont hear it right?
Is it me, or is anyone willing to try and get in on the internet craze to get a little publicity?
That is a deeply well thought article full of more BS than I can comprehend.
God knows the last thing I want to think of is the internet as my final spiritual ground, you try having a LD relationship, or spending 20 hours straight on the net, you come to see that it is NOT whatever this author is depicting.
Anyways I just dont see this ladies point, I think the net is not mysterious enough for me...
Jeremy
Yes I read as much of the article as i could tolerate
Oh wow, that is one of the funniest posts I have seen!!! I was dying, thanks for the time you spent on that one. I liked the highest level manager the best! G
To me, one of the greatest things is really flexible hours.
As long as you make your meetings and you are fairly consistent and you do your work well and prove to be doing what your being paid to do I really like the idea of real flexible hours.
Being able to come in at 10 or 11 and work into the wee hours of the night, especially when you are already putting a 70 hour work week how can anyone complain about you wanting to come in a lil late or early?
That is how it is at our company granted there are only a few of us we get our jobs done weve all worked some crazy hours, and we never get in trouble for being in at 9:30, or 10 some days especially around deadline time when you are working so many hours, its quite dificult to keep up being up that early and staying mentally focused working so many hours without decent amounts of sleep
For some things and huge companies where timing is everything its important to be in on time, but with software rarely does your day to day presence unless dealing with a *lot* of clients make much of a difference. I think if a company wants to hire someone that should be something to look at... ?
Well I enjoy it and I know it makes me a lot more at ease about working insane hours
Even though this is rather *bad* that they CAN do this and I do not like it.
I am impressed with the fact that they are that on top of some stuff.
It is shitty that they are going to have his computers until they are useless and outdated.. that needs to change some how
However I have mixed emotions about this, on one hand this is a federal agency tracking down all leads on a cybercrime most people would not give the feds credit for even being able to comprehend
On the other hand, its SCARY. I dont think i have to point out why...
Honestly I do a lot of web development on the backend
I write a lot of Java, and a lot of C++, and I do a lot of tuning of ColdFusion
And almost any start up which is based on VC funding tend to use the more "trendy" platforms.
YOu have to think of it like this, Is it going to be easier for me to find 3 Three CF develors and one Java developer and one DBA for Oracle, or is it going to be easier for me to find 4 perl developers on the drop of the hat given the current trends in the market.
I can tell you this... Perl is a rare skill to find people who can write really good code with it
I had the opportunity to read this article yesterday. I passed it around on a few mailing lists.
Now in all of the languages with low pages per second I want to make a few comments.
First just as an example since I do CF about half of the time where I work ColdFusion has features examples, caching queries, structures(NOT C like structures think associative arrays), XML transformations of data (WDDX), and several other features that can make things such as pages per second irrelevant.
I am also of the opinon that they did very little tweaking of these servers because my own test results reflected much higher amounts in almost every language, putting CF, Php, JSP all on the same playing field.
They used Tomcat beta 5 to determine that JSP could only do 13 pages per second.. what kinda valid test is that against polsihed products like php and CF??
The point is that part of the test IMO is totally invalid.
Now to move on to some finer points of the article that further reflect IMO the fact that the reviewers were biased.
They reffered to php as an esoteric language and rated it as a C, an A being the best, in programmer productivity, this has PHB speak, and marketing written ALLLLLLL over it.
So my basic conclusion is that this article is basically useless and it is nothing more than fun to read....
I wont even touch the fact that each langauges have different feature sets that make them very well suited to certain orientations of development....
Blah, Use your own brain and experience, once again ZDNet proves to me they have some clueless people.
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I have no idea, but I love drooling over my car that cost more than anything else ive owned in myl ife that I get to drive 20 minutes a day.. :-P
The trick is do you enjoy what you do?
Jeremy
So true, anyone with any mental capacity can do a reptative mental task over and over and over you dont need much of a break to maintain productivity you dont have to solve anything beyond what to do next and gee guess what its the same thing youve been doing
Whereas, every day you run a mental jungle gym and without *SOMETIHNG* in there to help refresh your brain and distract you (at least with a guy) you know smaller problems to help you solve the bigger problems, you arent going to achieve a very high level of proficiency. As you go your mental capacity to solve problems increases along with your logical skills period so that maybe some tasks you dont have to think so hard about any more, however most of my days im faced with challenging problems still and I enjoy a quick 10 minute break of nailing my boss with pennies and whatever else comes close to hand... Or walking around the office making fun of people going down the one way street the wrong way (owch), whatever just anything to distract you for a little while, its required.
Only like the most focused inidivduals can deal with no breaks, and honestly ive only met one programmer who did that, and I still wondera bout him so, nuff said.
Jeremy
Can you say retirement at 38?
:)
Thank you
Jeremy
Almost
Its a prett valid point honestly, one that he could even be right about and so could you.
Save for the fact that I have first hand experienced what having the source avaialble can mean to being able to do something.
I modded apache source at work once and it gave us the ability to do things otherwise impossible, so its nice that you say that but its like comparing apples and oranges on this topic.
Jeremy
First of all, Yes I have read some source code, for the kernel and apache, ive even modded apache, thats irrelevant honestly. Just givne the fact that I *CAN* and anyone else CAN means a whole lot... The fact that I cant with a closed source OS given an extreme learning curve (reading assembler basically) means that other people STILL can and im powerless unless I have no life or I wait for said closed source vendor to fix shit..
Jeremy
Using your example, nearly verbatim, Im aware not everyone has pure intentions such as that, but where it counts I think there are at least more than a few honest folks out there, such as myself.
Jeremy
There is still a gaping hole in this logic...
Namely with so many eyes seeing the code, using your figure out of 1000, you know 997 of them can see the buffer exploit and submit a patch for it, and most of them would do so
so you have 997 eyes on one set of source code, and 3 or 4 eyes only meaning to crack since they know they cant change the source for a binary.
You see? I trust open OS much more than anything else, because of the fact that I can read C source code and many others CAN, and ive even dug around with SoftICE, and know enough x86 assembler to do some more ismple stuff
The point is.... saying closed source is secure is a fallacy, and to get back to the real world, why not just compare the overall number of hacks to the systems
They are both cracked just about as often and the fact remains with competent administration its not even really an issue.... Point and case OpenBSD, of course all of these security experts who use it must be wrong, guys like counterpane should be using W2k for their high security firewalls right?
Jeremy
That if this was real people would know about it? Its not exactly like these companies keep secrets they have to hype their products...
Jeremy
yes, but without neat cool things to do there would be no reason to make the computers more stable and more fast would there?
We wouldnt have to worry about using anything but those "totally adequate" 386's ehh?
If no one ever dared to push the limits of everything, and of no one ever dared to be different or try something new how would we know what works and what doesnt?
Jeremy
who is making you use it?
Why not get some use outta a 3D card than gaming?
Different strokes for different folks...Diversity to an extent is good, this is a good kind.
Jeremy
Yes he got everyones attention, and this way he brings it into the public eye.
If he accepted the crown and just gave a small speech, the differencehe made might not have been as profound.
I dont think he is a Hero, I just think he did what he thought was right, if that makes someone a hero, we are in a sad state of affairs..
Jeremy
Actually....
if you look at what computer science really is, it is just applied mathematics.
Now, things like this are really cool because even if the resulsts are basically useless, the process behind achieving these resulsts helps develop new ways to think, so this DOES help
Jeremy
Oh my, I hope these people never get ahold of the lion king, you know animals chasing the heroes and all....
Hmmn.. well perl scripts definately require more motion than chess... I think Chess is less active.. hehe, :)
How about, you vote for who you think will do the best job running this country and stop pushing your politics on everyone else?
I see enough advertisement, Thank You
Jeremy
How is this for fun...:)
:)
If your work requires a certain attire and you buy these clothes for work tis a tax write off, I usually end up (honestly) buying about 300 - 400 dollars in clothes... tax write off, I get it back
Jeremy
I have always wondered, I haven ever taken a phsyics class other than HS, but do you hear the sonic boom as you descend?? I know it is not just "one boom" but a constant effect, so since your traveling faster you dont hear it right?
Jeremy
Is it me, or is anyone willing to try and get in on the internet craze to get a little publicity?
That is a deeply well thought article full of more BS than I can comprehend.
God knows the last thing I want to think of is the internet as my final spiritual ground, you try having a LD relationship, or spending 20 hours straight on the net, you come to see that it is NOT whatever this author is depicting.
Anyways I just dont see this ladies point, I think the net is not mysterious enough for me...
Jeremy
Yes I read as much of the article as i could tolerate
As many places as exit signs are in large red lettering its no wonder.
Oh wow, that is one of the funniest posts I have seen!!! I was dying, thanks for the time you spent on that one. I liked the highest level manager the best! G
Jeremy
To me, one of the greatest things is really flexible hours.
As long as you make your meetings and you are fairly consistent and you do your work well and prove to be doing what your being paid to do I really like the idea of real flexible hours.
Being able to come in at 10 or 11 and work into the wee hours of the night, especially when you are already putting a 70 hour work week how can anyone complain about you wanting to come in a lil late or early?
That is how it is at our company granted there are only a few of us we get our jobs done weve all worked some crazy hours, and we never get in trouble for being in at 9:30, or 10 some days especially around deadline time when you are working so many hours, its quite dificult to keep up being up that early and staying mentally focused working so many hours without decent amounts of sleep
For some things and huge companies where timing is everything its important to be in on time, but with software rarely does your day to day presence unless dealing with a *lot* of clients make much of a difference. I think if a company wants to hire someone that should be something to look at... ?
Well I enjoy it and I know it makes me a lot more at ease about working insane hours
Jeremy
Even though this is rather *bad* that they CAN do this and I do not like it.
I am impressed with the fact that they are that on top of some stuff.
It is shitty that they are going to have his computers until they are useless and outdated.. that needs to change some how
However I have mixed emotions about this, on one hand this is a federal agency tracking down all leads on a cybercrime most people would not give the feds credit for even being able to comprehend
On the other hand, its SCARY. I dont think i have to point out why...
Jeremy
Honestly I do a lot of web development on the backend
I write a lot of Java, and a lot of C++, and I do a lot of tuning of ColdFusion
And almost any start up which is based on VC funding tend to use the more "trendy" platforms.
YOu have to think of it like this, Is it going to be easier for me to find 3 Three CF develors and one Java developer and one DBA for Oracle, or is it going to be easier for me to find 4 perl developers on the drop of the hat given the current trends in the market.
I can tell you this... Perl is a rare skill to find people who can write really good code with it
Jeremy
Also, JSP is so slow?
They used Tomcat Beta5 in their testing.. OOooo not even an optimized polished product.....
I could make a site scale just as well with any one of those languages given my platform of choice for JSP
Jeremy
I had the opportunity to read this article yesterday. I passed it around on a few mailing lists.
Now in all of the languages with low pages per second I want to make a few comments.
First just as an example since I do CF about half of the time where I work ColdFusion has features examples, caching queries, structures(NOT C like structures think associative arrays), XML transformations of data (WDDX), and several other features that can make things such as pages per second irrelevant.
I am also of the opinon that they did very little tweaking of these servers because my own test results reflected much higher amounts in almost every language, putting CF, Php, JSP all on the same playing field.
They used Tomcat beta 5 to determine that JSP could only do 13 pages per second.. what kinda valid test is that against polsihed products like php and CF??
The point is that part of the test IMO is totally invalid.
Now to move on to some finer points of the article that further reflect IMO the fact that the reviewers were biased.
They reffered to php as an esoteric language and rated it as a C, an A being the best, in programmer productivity, this has PHB speak, and marketing written ALLLLLLL over it.
So my basic conclusion is that this article is basically useless and it is nothing more than fun to read....
I wont even touch the fact that each langauges have different feature sets that make them very well suited to certain orientations of development....
Blah, Use your own brain and experience, once again ZDNet proves to me they have some clueless people.
Jeremy