Okay Ive seen quite a few posts which are humurous. Let me say this. Death is REALLY hard to deal with for us all
When I die I want people to laugh at the memory of me because thats just how I wanta be remembered, lifes to short to be serious all the time. Yeah its a bit macarbe and I bet it really offend any family members, but If I was this guy, Id appreciate the humor in what ever afterlife my religion offers me.
ITS HARD to deal with and it may be real tasteless. But come on.. Some of the time it is the only way.. Its kept me going before. So dont just be all thoughtless yourself and post about how rude it is.
Why do people have this anooying tendency to associate wealth and success with happiness? I can promise you the two years I spent with my wife I was as happy as a person could get.. No we had no money and were dirt poor.. But it does not matter how sucessful someone is in life
I apply what I know about algorithms and data structures to make my code as maintainable as possible.
I hate to be crass.. Did you read what I wrote dude? Ive been doing this for two years.. Ive learned a lot the hardway about maintaining my code. Let alone someone else who did not READ my post moderated you up. Ive spent countless hours doing stupid things like commenting and making variable names make sense and code layout make sense..
And I dare call myself a programmer...... Did you see that part of my post?? Seriosuly..Yes I combined a couple of thoughts since algorithms do not apply to code maintenance its more common sense. But yes it is something I strive for since *I* have and do support contract work on occasion. Which means going back over my code. Like I said ive learned the hardway. Im glad you got to learn about it in college.. I learned about it working.
Of course, since most of the people selling themselves as "web programmers" are undegreed kids with little formal knowledge, there's a lot of crap floating around. Until employers value experienced professionals with the proper credentials (instead of thinking that every kid with green hair and a stud through his tounge is a web expert), there's little hope for a standard of quality on the web.
YIKES big guy back yer arse up please. You have got a chip on your shoulder about undegreed programmers.
Ten years ago, that attitude would have worked.
Let me tell you a little about myself.
I am 19 years old and I DO consider myself a web developer and a pretty damn good one.
No I do not know everything about computer science. No I dont know a WHOLE lot about math and the nitty gritty details of algorithms and all that. I DO make it something I work very hard to understand. I strive to improve my code and my level of professionalism ALWAYS. I study algorithms, and programming a LOT.
I try and give clients or my work VERY debugged code with no errors, make it look professional and make it work in an intuitive and effecient manner for them.
Effciency of my code is ALWAYS a concern to me and I try my best to make optimized code. I apply what I know about algorithms and data structures to make my code as maintainable as possible. I dress in casual business clothing and I in NO way claim to know it all. And if imasked if I can do something and I cannot I say NO I can't do that right now, I am capable but I would have to learn how. That is my business philosophy and its gotten me a lot of work and me and the clients have been very pleased with the results.
In your mind I am a 'kid' but I am a professional and I attempt to also incorporate ethics into my code use and my business practices and manners.
And something people do NOT like to admit.. Some people my age are VERY capable of fulfilling senior web development positions No I do not match some god forsaken profile for education nor experience.
The sadder part is I have met people with CIS, and CS degrees who are just absolutely clueless. They needa be beaten to DEATH with the cluestick. It causes me great pain because I know they make a lot more than me and here I am training them. Yeah I know a degree says something about a person and that they were abble to attain it.. But open your mind a little.
There are some of us that are professional and professionals.
So I am 19 with two years of 'paid' experience. Does that make me less of a professional if I admit my limitations and am constantly expanding my knowledge and limitations to beyond even my expectations?
I was stuck into a huge business APP and I worked my ass off.. but I groked it and was a productive member of the team. *shrugs* Your comment was very crude and not well thought of.
Yes I understand your viewpoint but you can say the same about ANYONE who claims to be a programmer.
Yep.. but consider the relative speed of a liazard to its size.. If you were in a full run you could easily keep up a lizard. so quick there is relative:)
Unfortuantely if you have not used perl long you have not been able to learn some of its pains. Such as new versions breaking code (yes it happens argue that it dont all you want but its happened to me in a VERY big way and I refuse to use Perl from now on.. Hava nice day) Love the language but larry wall is a psychopath and I think perl is an o-neat language yeah I know it drives most of the dynamic content on the web, but thats changing.. rather quickly.
Have you ever even DONE software development? I wonder.
First im not qualified to speak about Be's resources but I will tell you about what really happens with software.
Ideally you want someone upper level to audit and check for things like this. realistically it cannot always happen.
Some of the time tasks get assigned to maybe one or two people and VERY little peer review will happen and htey will say there work is completed it gets packaged into a final binary distro.. BAM. Insta GPL Violation.
Dont just say because be has resources mistakes cannot happen. Replace Be with microsoft.
Don't be stupid. Bruce has every right. Microsoft made the mistake not him. Microsoft has so much resources that this simple mistake should not have taken place at all. This make me wonder how many other GPL codes they have stolen...
Bah Bah Bah.. What was that? a backdoor in a MS product? They have resources no? Why is there a security backdoor? Why are there facetious strings embedded in one of my dll's?
That is not the point! He did it publicly without EVEN giving be a chance to correct the mistake. I think that is fairly not nice. Be may have not done the right thing by releasing the code but EVERYONE makes mistakes and this is just another nit pick like so many other things that I just dont want to hear about unless the company is stagnant and unwilling to cooperate.
Okay this is a very serious issue and I hate to ignore the issue at hand. Bruce if you are out there I admire ya a lot.. But I think you thrive on this sort of thing. Finding any little irksome problem and capitalizing on it etc. I understand this is a avenue of letting us all know about it but why not give Be a chance before you subject them to this type of crowd next time? Hmmn?
" Part 1 was featured on Slashdot last week, and, if the lack of trolling is any indication, was well-received. "
Guys that was just ASKING for trouble, now the highest moderated post (at the moment) is God v.20 or some such non sense and there are about 15 trolls on the page.
Okay why even post this? We allll knew this was coming because we had a very good idea about the approximate earning capability of these companies.. Uhm ayup.. It is just a bit painful to see and no ones talking about it. But the band plays on, life keeps going.. I dont give a crap about Linux stock I thought every last IPO for aLinux company was a VERY bad idea.. But Heh.. What does it matter now.
I saw a 1.34 Bogomips on my screaming 386 without any cache:) it makes wonderful heater since I plugged the processor in backwards. I figure its doing more good this way.
Well Rock, I have to ask you.. When was the last time you downloaded a windows service pack? Or linux kernel, or any kind of update to either of the more common desktop operating systems? Takes forever, the speed is rather handy to allow more effective operation of computer users who do a lot on the net. And when the price is right broadband WILL be popular with customers. Not all but I am way sure enough to create enough demand for it to be worth while.
Web cam's streaming media news whatever. You are generalizing and saying what people do period. Whats good for you is not good for me. And I have a web enabled phone because it is convenient I would still like broadband access at home.
I saiiid ODBC or WORSE (implying they generally DO use DAO because thats the spiffy VB way of life. And anyways find a totally functional implmentation of ODBC in linux and your doing something, Ive seen a ODBC driver that.. was almost there but no cigar for real work.
That was all insightful and stuff but you missed his point GeZ117.
To wit, he needs something that will allow his apps which need (specifcally) MS Access to function. These apps probably use ODBC or worse to communicate with Access so the needs are not for an open source database but something to replace Access not a work alike but an exact replacement as far as the database end goes (not front end)
But until then I appreciate what these projects are doing.(Katabase and Gnome-DB)
How to go about doing this? Security rating on a system running FTP, Sendmail etc? HAHAHA your kidding right?
Security rating on a system not running any daemons etc? I dunno that just sounded a wee bit vague. You would have to be VERY specific about what you do and how the system is setup and ONLY when it is setup that certain way does it get that rating etc. etc.
Slashdot Mirror
Lmao :)
I do not think breaking microsoft up is good. Period.
It will take to long, it is not really worth the effort.
More effective solutions can be come up with
Such as releasing key component ssource code, Office namely. Release them in an unrestrictive licsense.
Jeremy
Okay Ive seen quite a few posts which are humurous. Let me say this. Death is REALLY hard to deal with for us all
When I die I want people to laugh at the memory of me because thats just how I wanta be remembered, lifes to short to be serious all the time. Yeah its a bit macarbe and I bet it really offend any family members, but If I was this guy, Id appreciate the humor in what ever afterlife my religion offers me.
ITS HARD to deal with and it may be real tasteless. But come on.. Some of the time it is the only way.. Its kept me going before. So dont just be all thoughtless yourself and post about how rude it is.
Jeremy
It is sunday man, logic like that cuases errors on sundays
:)
Hi(human interpreter) V 4.107
Hi::Logic Overflow::Shutting down
Exit Status:Finished
Nuff said
Not to say anything about anynody.
Why do people have this anooying tendency to associate wealth and success with happiness? I can promise you the two years I spent with my wife I was as happy as a person could get.. No we had no money and were dirt poor.. But it does not matter how sucessful someone is in life
Success != Hapiness.
Jeremy
I apply what I know about algorithms and data structures to make my code as maintainable as possible.
I hate to be crass.. Did you read what I wrote dude? Ive been doing this for two years.. Ive learned a lot the hardway about maintaining my code. Let alone someone else who did not READ my post moderated you up. Ive spent countless hours doing stupid things like commenting and making variable names make sense and code layout make sense..
And I dare call myself a programmer...... Did you see that part of my post?? Seriosuly..Yes I combined a couple of thoughts since algorithms do not apply to code maintenance its more common sense. But yes it is something I strive for since *I* have and do support contract work on occasion. Which means going back over my code. Like I said ive learned the hardway. Im glad you got to learn about it in college.. I learned about it working.
Of course, since most of the people selling themselves as "web programmers" are undegreed kids with little formal knowledge, there's a lot of crap floating around. Until employers value experienced professionals with the proper credentials (instead of thinking that every kid with green hair and a stud through his tounge is a web expert), there's little hope for a standard of quality on the web.
YIKES big guy back yer arse up please. You have got a chip on your shoulder about undegreed programmers.
Ten years ago, that attitude would have worked.
Let me tell you a little about myself.
I am 19 years old and I DO consider myself a web developer and a pretty damn good one.
No I do not know everything about computer science. No I dont know a WHOLE lot about math and the nitty gritty details of algorithms and all that. I DO make it something I work very hard to understand. I strive to improve my code and my level of professionalism ALWAYS. I study algorithms, and programming a LOT.
I try and give clients or my work VERY debugged code with no errors, make it look professional and make it work in an intuitive and effecient manner for them.
Effciency of my code is ALWAYS a concern to me and I try my best to make optimized code. I apply what I know about algorithms and data structures to make my code as maintainable as possible. I dress in casual business clothing and I in NO way claim to know it all. And if imasked if I can do something and I cannot I say NO I can't do that right now, I am capable but I would have to learn how. That is my business philosophy and its gotten me a lot of work and me and the clients have been very pleased with the results.
In your mind I am a 'kid' but I am a professional and I attempt to also incorporate ethics into my code use and my business practices and manners.
And something people do NOT like to admit.. Some people my age are VERY capable of fulfilling senior web development positions No I do not match some god forsaken profile for education nor experience.
The sadder part is I have met people with CIS, and CS degrees who are just absolutely clueless. They needa be beaten to DEATH with the cluestick. It causes me great pain because I know they make a lot more than me and here I am training them. Yeah I know a degree says something about a person and that they were abble to attain it.. But open your mind a little.
There are some of us that are professional and professionals.
So I am 19 with two years of 'paid' experience. Does that make me less of a professional if I admit my limitations and am constantly expanding my knowledge and limitations to beyond even my expectations?
I was stuck into a huge business APP and I worked my ass off.. but I groked it and was a productive member of the team. *shrugs* Your comment was very crude and not well thought of.
Yes I understand your viewpoint but you can say the same about ANYONE who claims to be a programmer.
Jeremy
I found that amusing myself :)
Sheesh Guy, dont gimme a heart attack :p
Yep.. but consider the relative speed of a liazard to its size.. If you were in a full run you could easily keep up a lizard. so quick there is relative :)
Okay.. think here for me. This is this first post I saw that was not a critique or a "hihgly moderated" troll that I read first. wah wah wah.
You guys whine about sig to noise WHAT do you call that. I wanted to see about SuSE 6.4 Not HeUnique's use of u in the stead of you.
In the past hes used the three letter word..
cut him some slack and dont make a big deal of it, it happens once and you guys is ready to crucify him.
Jeremy
Unfortuantely if you have not used perl long you have not been able to learn some of its pains. Such as new versions breaking code (yes it happens argue that it dont all you want but its happened to me in a VERY big way and I refuse to use Perl from now on.. Hava nice day) Love the language but larry wall is a psychopath and I think perl is an o-neat language yeah I know it drives most of the dynamic content on the web, but thats changing.. rather quickly.
Jeremy
Alright, now you are just babbling here bud
Have you ever even DONE software development? I wonder.
First im not qualified to speak about Be's resources but I will tell you about what really happens with software.
Ideally you want someone upper level to audit and check for things like this. realistically it cannot always happen.
Some of the time tasks get assigned to maybe one or two people and VERY little peer review will happen and htey will say there work is completed it gets packaged into a final binary distro.. BAM. Insta GPL Violation.
Dont just say because be has resources mistakes cannot happen. Replace Be with microsoft.
Don't be stupid. Bruce has every right. Microsoft made the mistake not him. Microsoft has so much resources that this simple mistake should not have taken place at all. This make me wonder how many other GPL codes they have stolen...
Bah Bah Bah.. What was that? a backdoor in a MS product? They have resources no? Why is there a security backdoor? Why are there facetious strings embedded in one of my dll's?
Bah bah bah
Jeremy
That is not the point! He did it publicly without EVEN giving be a chance to correct the mistake. I think that is fairly not nice. Be may have not done the right thing by releasing the code but EVERYONE makes mistakes and this is just another nit pick like so many other things that I just dont want to hear about unless the company is stagnant and unwilling to cooperate.
Okay this is a very serious issue and I hate to ignore the issue at hand. Bruce if you are out there I admire ya a lot.. But I think you thrive on this sort of thing. Finding any little irksome problem and capitalizing on it etc. I understand this is a avenue of letting us all know about it but why not give Be a chance before you subject them to this type of crowd next time? Hmmn?
" Part 1 was featured on Slashdot last week, and, if the lack of trolling is any indication, was well-received. "
Guys that was just ASKING for trouble, now the highest moderated post (at the moment) is God v.20 or some such non sense and there are about 15 trolls on the page.
You can post as "Plain Old Text" or you can also ;)
use The being the closing "Tag"
Jeremy
It will tell you how to just re direct requests to whatever machine and all.. Its not even hard :)
Okay why even post this? We allll knew this was coming because we had a very good idea about the approximate earning capability of these companies.. Uhm ayup.. It is just a bit painful to see and no ones talking about it. But the band plays on, life keeps going.. I dont give a crap about Linux stock I thought every last IPO for aLinux company was a VERY bad idea.. But Heh.. What does it matter now.
Jeremy
Don't correct me if im wrong!
QuakeIII is the most 31337 Benchmark in existence. Dont you guys realize what carmack really was doing when he did a Linux port of QIII?
You need nothing other than QIII for reliable benchmarking of a system.. and any other bench-
marks just dont matter! Nuff said..
:)
I saw a 1.34 Bogomips on my screaming 386 without any cache :) it makes wonderful heater since I plugged the processor in backwards. I figure its doing more good this way.
Well Rock, I have to ask you.. When was the last time you downloaded a windows service pack? Or linux kernel, or any kind of update to either of the more common desktop operating systems? Takes forever, the speed is rather handy to allow more effective operation of computer users who do a lot on the net. And when the price is right broadband WILL be popular with customers. Not all but I am way sure enough to create enough demand for it to be worth while.
Web cam's streaming media news whatever. You are generalizing and saying what people do period. Whats good for you is not good for me. And I have a web enabled phone because it is convenient I would still like broadband access at home.
Jeremy
I saiiid ODBC or WORSE (implying they generally DO use DAO because thats the spiffy VB way of life. And anyways find a totally functional implmentation of ODBC in linux and your doing something, Ive seen a ODBC driver that.. was almost there but no cigar for real work.
Jeremy
That was all insightful and stuff but you missed his point GeZ117.
To wit, he needs something that will allow his apps which need (specifcally) MS Access to function. These apps probably use ODBC or worse to communicate with Access so the needs are not for an open source database but something to replace Access not a work alike but an exact replacement as far as the database end goes (not front end)
But until then I appreciate what these projects are doing.(Katabase and Gnome-DB)
Jeremy
How to go about doing this? Security rating on a system running FTP, Sendmail etc? HAHAHA your kidding right?
Security rating on a system not running any daemons etc? I dunno that just sounded a wee bit vague. You would have to be VERY specific about what you do and how the system is setup and ONLY when it is setup that certain way does it get that rating etc. etc.
Jeremy