LoL I have a phone that works just like that that.
5555555555@messaging.sprintpcs.com Viola.. email to my phone.
A 100 character message. I was like what happens of I begin receiving large amounts of unsolicited emails. They said to file a customer service complaint etc and the charges could be taken care of.
That comforted me some but it is and was still a slight fear of mine that I will turn on my phone to find 200 messages over my limit or something and then.. guess what 10 cents a pop. That puts me out about 20 dollars, So its not a LOT of cash.. But it did unerve me a little to think that can happen.
However the service IE customer-sprint has always been good and they are very responsive with all of my questions, I spent like 40 minutes with one of there developer stalking about HDML!! LOL.
Anyways if you are in a metropolitan area sprint pcs works well, If you are in the middle of no where.... Forget it.
Well my point is im not afraid at least with my current provider (until they prove me wrong:)
, HTTP and Web-browsers however are a very poor means of communication and IMO will probably die in the next few years.
I am sorry I must be imagining the 8 bazillion websites out there;)
Okay okay that was inflammatory and I do agree HTTP is a fairly poor one sided nightmare for client/server apps.
All of the preprocessors Php, ColdFusion.... Etc. all have to implment work arounds for HTTP. However I think Web Browsers will always be around, we may see new protocols that allow for much better communication in the future (take more than two years...) but to say they are dead. Come on.
People are just pouring money into the web mostly websites and client/server apps that are mostly browser oriented, an anti trust lawsuit against MS is using browsers to attack them, there is just such an amount of websites and browser technology and money involved, its not just gonna 'die' off. You can implment new protocols maybe something better than HTTP via a plugin, but as long as the browser is in the hands of a closed corporation they will do what interests the corporation (as they should) not what interests the best thing for the rest of the world. You can just kiss idealism goodbye when you are talking about a profit margin. Anyways think about that.. I dont think web browser will go away. HTTP will die yes.. but even then the two are so closely tied its going to take time)
I used to deride java and say java is crap, its a heavy evil beast. Java suck, I am not learning this blah blah blah. Then I took the time to download the SDK and just play with it. It "IS" a bit bulky still but I am fairly impressed overall with java... It has some nice things running around that make it more RAD than C++ and for nice business applications and non performance oriented programming (Gaming being performance oriented fill in a text box and do some calculations business apps being non performance) I am really beggining to appreciate what java can do.
I would even consider using it and what the hell. Learning this is NOT so bad actually, all of the concepts play with C++ ways of thinking so well.. so you are maybe at a loss of a couple of months of good studying at worst if you learn this. I know that is a lot of time for some.. But I dont think its gonna 'crash' and burn on a resume.
The thinking is much like C++ and If you aren an OO guy aching for a decent RAD language that has reasonable sane syntax and all the fun reusability of OO Java is it, and java is backed by a big company, there is even a microsoft product for it. Java was a LOT of hype, now that its calmed down I am seeing it does have a place and I happen to like this place:)
I dont know how much most people have noticed but lots and lots of VB shops (one I contract for included) are turning to Java just for windows platform because its a lot more sane than VB. This is kind of cool since it means these apps can migrate to Linux nearly painlessly.. Fight it all we want business is a factor in the computer industry and many application shops are looking to Java for a solution. Best to not get caught with yer pants down
Anything you can do in Perl, I can do in C and produce more useable later code. Opinon? Truth? Fact? Im willing to bet its somewhere in there.
String processing you say? Ever heard of Lexx and Yacc? They rock my world for string processing. Ho hum Ho Hum, lets just embed a small C compiler in Mozilla! Why the hell not! Will only add another 10 MB to the Run Time Binary! NO one would even notice!
I mean! We can even make it objective C and play with all this CORBA and OO stuff people are babling about these days.
Hell, lets just stick a VBScript interpreter in there so we can even interpret MS land pages!
Oh and while we are at it.... No perl has its place, some place with small projects and not many people to witness there creation just the result. Scripting!!?!? No more.. I just think some people dont have enough experience with perl to dislike it yet. *shrugs*
Okay so here I am right at about six and a half years of computer use.
That means I started out with MS-DOS Win3.1:)
Began using Win95 and Linux shortly there after. I have tried every window manager under the sun, I have made really purdy(tm) window manager.
Configurations in E, and tried theme after theme and all kinds of fun experiments and all, then after like a lot of thinking and my life moving towards something that resembles a professional career, I find myself searching for a reasonable look.
I dont need black granite swirling down my title's of my windows any longer just pass me a window manager with a highly configurable interface so that I can make my work time as productive a thing as possible, let me make it pleasing but not 'purdy'.
This is all opinonated but I seriously do not think in general there is a need for a lot of the flashy stuff in most WM's. Spend some of that time doing UI stuff and I think in general Window Managers would improve a whole lot. Sure Linux needs an image and 'purdyies' can go a long way to achieving this but I think there is a serious overemphasis on themes and there importance. I dont mind using themes in fact I find a lot of them nice to look at, but at some point I just found my use for things like that dwindling and my need for better interface and more ways to customize this increasing. Perhaps I am alone in these experiences but for configurability without flashy graphics I have found tvtwm, or fvwm2 with maybe pager to achieve more of my goals in work productvity and interface configurability than any other WM. Old school? Perhaps but I have not seen any major improvements in a window manager in the last 4 years and until I do.. I will stick with what works.
I really like Source Exchange, but I bet the first time I post a major product that would require massive number of developers say oh.. 15 Full Time developers It would be a horrible thing to manage. Just my opinon but if im paying for something maybe call it a million dollar year long project.. Do you guys really think something like Source Exchange has that much talent reading it and or the people who read that are going to oraganize themselves effeciently? No.. then you cany play in big business.. Thanks have a nice day back to corporate america....
Im just going to do a generic response to everyones posts Ive seen. To the guy who thinks everyone is assholes. I care about next to no one for believing the same thing. Ive been burned by a lot of things. I unfortuantely have to disagree since ive met some truly great people in my life.
Theo has an opportunity to do more and possibly better things while maintaining his philosophy but his personality stands in the way some? I dont know this is speculation. I think somewhere in that statement there is some truth however.
Now, did I ANY WHERE say that I do not use OpenBSD for something silly and philisophical such as the leader of the project is a bit nuts? No I did not in fact I think the opearting system is very good for what its designed for. I was making a comment about him I to can give a SHIT about him but I think that it could be hurting an opearting system I happen to like. And yeah BillG is prolly a nice fellow but I dont use windows based on his personality just like I dont use OpenBSD for Theo's personality. That is a bit silly, but to be so naieve as to not think that the way the main and most influential members of the project members act is going to affect the operating system your wrong. So in the words of a poster here I would MUCH rather him pretend to be a nice guy and let OpenBSD grow and flourish in ways I think hes holding the OS and the code base they have developed back. Again these are my extremely subjective and untried and most likely always untried theories, but again I am saying this with a little more than a poof of smoke from my ass, I know several of the guys from NetBSD, who correspond with FreeBSD and OpenBSD folks.. So be a little more thoughtful and less assumptive thanks and sorry for any spelling errors
My Opinon. They are doing this in the stylish newly created 90's style hype/media driven fashion so many companies and the mass public now flock to......
What im saying is, if you are doing something so controversial as this you generally keep it a private thing until you have something, something more solid than these people do. They do not even have it all yet and they should have kept this all trade secret type stuff at any rate. *shrugs* They are going about this the *WRONG* way. nuff said.
heh, its okay im lonely to.. but I just think that a human beings 'programming' is just so complex and varied that to even ponder reproducing something that highly programmable and definable as a persons personality is somewhat crazy. I have an associates in math so I am not really qualified to be speaking about this, but Ive been programming for long enough to know that its just.. WAY out there.
Think of this. Any attempt we make at creating another intelligence is inherently 'flawed?' since we are basing this model after our own methods of thinking, therefore I dont think it will ever become a higher being, nor do I think it will be without serious flaws should anything even closely resembling intelligence that a human has, lets not even go into the way emotions influence our intelligence and our responses to well everything. Let me say a few words, how much programming do you think it would take an AI to respond to things like this? rape, murder, death, God, sex, love, hate, loss. Come on, there is something there that is just to much to solidfy, and no matter what it takes human emotion to fully impart the empathy we each experience with such thoughts. Yes? No? I agree with what you are saying but its so much more isnt it? I dunno, im a very emotional person and Ive been through a lot of crap in my life... I like conceptualizing to.. and the concept is fine and dandy, but to me something is still missing.
Whatever dude, you are just beating yourself to death here. The AI will respond however it is PROGRAMMED to respond, not how you think it should.. They are machines, and quite honestly I dont think AI, will ever be as complex as my mind. Yup I am a naysayer to this whole deal. And you are just off on planet 9. I wont be suprised if it happens, but I doubt it will. And even then, ill take a person to a computer ANY day. Period. You sound like a lonely guy in need of a little friendship..
WOW... considering you do most of your common welding tasks with an arc welder at 80 amps, that number is quite freaking HIGH!!. I to thought it must have been some kind of mistake. That is going to draw some SERIOUS power. No kidding, keep them submerged in liquid C02
I would not dream of taking the stock Mustang above 120, had to have a lot of work to keep it feeling 'good' most people dont even understand:p and im like.. listen peeps I can tell:P laff.
ROFL, I am one of those smart drivers. Id be like *sighs* I know I can run this guy.. then id mutter and pull in behind you so we can both be alive in 5 seconds as the mass of traffic rapidly appraoches:p
I do agree my car was recently in an accident. ( NOT MY FAULT ) and someone popped my airbag and busted up my front bumper just a lil. sighs
*cackle* not the obvious exclusion of motorcycles! rofl. One day I pulled up to a couple of guys on some CBR's. I knew in my heart they would leave me behind when we went. I looked over at the guy with a foolish grin and smiled. The light turned green I gunned it.. but alas they were already so far ahead of me I felt like I was not even moving. Laffs. And this was with my car in its current state.. Needless to say I dont bother with you motorcycle people.:p
ID be dead if I owned a motorcycle.
And that is another awesome point. You need a car that does not go into lift-off mode to use 600 HP. (No kidding saw on a mag cover walking thru the grocery store. )Honda Civic with 600HP and how they did it!. I was like Uhm.. And the point is.....
Mustangs ive found are rather fun to mod out the ass. I have a 1:11 Saleen Mustang rear end..:-) But I have a huge respect for motorcycles. I just enjoy my cars.
Why does there *have* to be. Speech as a method for controlling your computer has some severely limited function. Every time something interesting is posted, it *has* to be free and soon or well you might have to pay for it *gasps*
arg my mind is fried im trying to memorize new pwords today and they have 58 in them. (gasps dont hax0r me please) 5.2 seconds is how fast my car does 0-60:-)
Bwah.. Those 'Stickered Up Civics' Annoy the crap out of me.
Just let me start by saying only one euro has taken my car;-) And..
It was a Blue Acura Integra and uhm.. Whatever he had in that thing it was so freaking fast 0-60 In VERY short order. Under 5.8 Seconds because thats what my car has been timed at.
Laffs, Anyways I just leave most of them slack jawed because my car looks like a regular beat up 1990 Mustang LX five oh.
It is a lot of fun and I just love cars period. Its sort of ironic I suppose but now that I have been able to afford in recent times the engine and 'other' modifications and have even had most of them done to make my car faster I dont even drive like I used to *sigh*. Maybe getting nailed by a suburban doing 70 has something to do with it:p
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LoL I have a phone that works just like that that.
:)
5555555555@messaging.sprintpcs.com Viola.. email to my phone.
A 100 character message. I was like what happens of I begin receiving large amounts of unsolicited emails. They said to file a customer service complaint etc and the charges could be taken care of.
That comforted me some but it is and was still a slight fear of mine that I will turn on my phone to find 200 messages over my limit or something and then.. guess what 10 cents a pop. That puts me out about 20 dollars, So its not a LOT of cash.. But it did unerve me a little to think that can happen.
However the service IE customer-sprint has always been good and they are very responsive with all of my questions, I spent like 40 minutes with one of there developer stalking about HDML!! LOL.
Anyways if you are in a metropolitan area sprint pcs works well, If you are in the middle of no where.... Forget it.
Well my point is im not afraid at least with my current provider (until they prove me wrong
Jeremy
, HTTP and Web-browsers however are a very poor means of communication and IMO will probably die in the next few years.
;)
.... Etc. all have to implment work arounds for HTTP. However I think Web Browsers will always be around, we may see new protocols that allow for much better communication in the future (take more than two years...) but to say they are dead. Come on.
I am sorry I must be imagining the 8 bazillion websites out there
Okay okay that was inflammatory and I do agree HTTP is a fairly poor one sided nightmare for client/server apps.
All of the preprocessors Php, ColdFusion
People are just pouring money into the web mostly websites and client/server apps that are mostly browser oriented, an anti trust lawsuit against MS is using browsers to attack them, there is just such an amount of websites and browser technology and money involved, its not just gonna 'die' off. You can implment new protocols maybe something better than HTTP via a plugin, but as long as the browser is in the hands of a closed corporation they will do what interests the corporation (as they should) not what interests the best thing for the rest of the world. You can just kiss idealism goodbye when you are talking about a profit margin. Anyways think about that.. I dont think web browser will go away. HTTP will die yes.. but even then the two are so closely tied its going to take time)
I used to deride java and say java is crap, its a heavy evil beast. Java suck, I am not learning this blah blah blah. Then I took the time to download the SDK and just play with it. It "IS" a bit bulky still but I am fairly impressed overall with java... It has some nice things running around that make it more RAD than C++ and for nice business applications and non performance oriented programming (Gaming being performance oriented fill in a text box and do some calculations business apps being non performance) I am really beggining to appreciate what java can do.
:)
I would even consider using it and what the hell. Learning this is NOT so bad actually, all of the concepts play with C++ ways of thinking so well.. so you are maybe at a loss of a couple of months of good studying at worst if you learn this. I know that is a lot of time for some.. But I dont think its gonna 'crash' and burn on a resume.
The thinking is much like C++ and If you aren an OO guy aching for a decent RAD language that has reasonable sane syntax and all the fun reusability of OO Java is it, and java is backed by a big company, there is even a microsoft product for it. Java was a LOT of hype, now that its calmed down I am seeing it does have a place and I happen to like this place
I dont know how much most people have noticed but lots and lots of VB shops (one I contract for included) are turning to Java just for windows platform because its a lot more sane than VB. This is kind of cool since it means these apps can migrate to Linux nearly painlessly.. Fight it all we want business is a factor in the computer industry and many application shops are looking to Java for a solution. Best to not get caught with yer pants down
Jeremy
Anything you can do in Perl, I can do in C and produce more useable later code. Opinon? Truth? Fact? Im willing to bet its somewhere in there.
String processing you say? Ever heard of Lexx and Yacc? They rock my world for string processing. Ho hum Ho Hum, lets just embed a small C compiler in Mozilla! Why the hell not! Will only add another 10 MB to the Run Time Binary! NO one would even notice!
I mean! We can even make it objective C and play with all this CORBA and OO stuff people are babling about these days.
Hell, lets just stick a VBScript interpreter in there so we can even interpret MS land pages!
Oh and while we are at it.... No perl has its place, some place with small projects and not many people to witness there creation just the result. Scripting!!?!? No more.. I just think some people dont have enough experience with perl to dislike it yet. *shrugs*
jeremy
Okay so here I am right at about six and a half years of computer use.
:)
That means I started out with MS-DOS Win3.1
Began using Win95 and Linux shortly there after. I have tried every window manager under the sun, I have made really purdy(tm) window manager.
Configurations in E, and tried theme after theme and all kinds of fun experiments and all, then after like a lot of thinking and my life moving towards something that resembles a professional career, I find myself searching for a reasonable look.
I dont need black granite swirling down my title's of my windows any longer just pass me a window manager with a highly configurable interface so that I can make my work time as productive a thing as possible, let me make it pleasing but not 'purdy'.
This is all opinonated but I seriously do not think in general there is a need for a lot of the flashy stuff in most WM's. Spend some of that time doing UI stuff and I think in general Window Managers would improve a whole lot. Sure Linux needs an image and 'purdyies' can go a long way to achieving this but I think there is a serious overemphasis on themes and there importance. I dont mind using themes in fact I find a lot of them nice to look at, but at some point I just found my use for things like that dwindling and my need for better interface and more ways to customize this increasing. Perhaps I am alone in these experiences but for configurability without flashy graphics I have found tvtwm, or fvwm2 with maybe pager to achieve more of my goals in work productvity and interface configurability than any other WM. Old school? Perhaps but I have not seen any major improvements in a window manager in the last 4 years and until I do.. I will stick with what works.
Jeremy
What if I had to have this product delivered in a timely manner?
I really like Source Exchange, but I bet the first time I post a major product that would require massive number of developers say oh.. 15 Full Time developers It would be a horrible thing to manage. Just my opinon but if im paying for something maybe call it a million dollar year long project.. Do you guys really think something like Source Exchange has that much talent reading it and or the people who read that are going to oraganize themselves effeciently? No.. then you cany play in big business.. Thanks have a nice day back to corporate america....
JA
Im just going to do a generic response to everyones posts Ive seen. To the guy who thinks everyone is assholes. I care about next to no one for believing the same thing. Ive been burned by a lot of things. I unfortuantely have to disagree since ive met some truly great people in my life.
Theo has an opportunity to do more and possibly better things while maintaining his philosophy but his personality stands in the way some? I dont know this is speculation. I think somewhere in that statement there is some truth however.
Now, did I ANY WHERE say that I do not use OpenBSD for something silly and philisophical such as the leader of the project is a bit nuts? No I did not in fact I think the opearting system is very good for what its designed for. I was making a comment about him I to can give a SHIT about him but I think that it could be hurting an opearting system I happen to like. And yeah BillG is prolly a nice fellow but I dont use windows based on his personality just like I dont use OpenBSD for Theo's personality. That is a bit silly, but to be so naieve as to not think that the way the main and most influential members of the project members act is going to affect the operating system your wrong. So in the words of a poster here I would MUCH rather him pretend to be a nice guy and let OpenBSD grow and flourish in ways I think hes holding the OS and the code base they have developed back. Again these are my extremely subjective and untried and most likely always untried theories, but again I am saying this with a little more than a poof of smoke from my ass, I know several of the guys from NetBSD, who correspond with FreeBSD and OpenBSD folks.. So be a little more thoughtful and less assumptive thanks and sorry for any spelling errors
Jeremy
A good point. Mr. De Raat seems a bit radical, and I have read and heard from many people who develop for NetBSD that he is a grade A Prick.
Maybe because its better to show kindness where none is deserved.. prick
Some day you wont be able to go around it.. :-( Sad.... You gotta fight for stuff whenever you can.
yeah liquid N :-( *sighs*.. head hurts.. need more caffeine
My Opinon. They are doing this in the stylish newly created 90's style hype/media driven fashion so many companies and the mass public now flock to......
What im saying is, if you are doing something so controversial as this you generally keep it a private thing until you have something, something more solid than these people do. They do not even have it all yet and they should have kept this all trade secret type stuff at any rate. *shrugs* They are going about this the *WRONG* way. nuff said.
Jeremy
heh, its okay im lonely to.. but I just think that a human beings 'programming' is just so complex and varied that to even ponder reproducing something that highly programmable and definable as a persons personality is somewhat crazy. I have an associates in math so I am not really qualified to be speaking about this, but Ive been programming for long enough to know that its just.. WAY out there.
Think of this. Any attempt we make at creating another intelligence is inherently 'flawed?' since we are basing this model after our own methods of thinking, therefore I dont think it will ever become a higher being, nor do I think it will be without serious flaws should anything even closely resembling intelligence that a human has, lets not even go into the way emotions influence our intelligence and our responses to well everything. Let me say a few words, how much programming do you think it would take an AI to respond to things like this? rape, murder, death, God, sex, love, hate, loss. Come on, there is something there that is just to much to solidfy, and no matter what it takes human emotion to fully impart the empathy we each experience with such thoughts. Yes? No? I agree with what you are saying but its so much more isnt it? I dunno, im a very emotional person and Ive been through a lot of crap in my life... I like conceptualizing to.. and the concept is fine and dandy, but to me something is still missing.
Whatever dude, you are just beating yourself to death here. The AI will respond however it is PROGRAMMED to respond, not how you think it should.. They are machines, and quite honestly I dont think AI, will ever be as complex as my mind. Yup I am a naysayer to this whole deal. And you are just off on planet 9. I wont be suprised if it happens, but I doubt it will. And even then, ill take a person to a computer ANY day. Period. You sound like a lonely guy in need of a little friendship..
Jeremy
rofl
WOW... considering you do most of your common welding tasks with an arc welder at 80 amps, that number is quite freaking HIGH!!. I to thought it must have been some kind of mistake. That is going to draw some SERIOUS power. No kidding, keep them submerged in liquid C02
I would not dream of taking the stock Mustang above 120, had to have a lot of work to keep it feeling 'good' most people dont even understand :p and im like.. listen peeps I can tell :P laff.
Err oh wait that was an april fools ;-)
there is no hope for the world *sighs* I was jking and a friend of mine really tried this :~(
ROFL, I am one of those smart drivers. Id be like *sighs* I know I can run this guy.. then id mutter and pull in behind you so we can both be alive in 5 seconds as the mass of traffic rapidly appraoches :p
I do agree my car was recently in an accident. ( NOT MY FAULT ) and someone popped my airbag and busted up my front bumper just a lil. sighs
*cackle* not the obvious exclusion of motorcycles! rofl. One day I pulled up to a couple of guys on some CBR's. I knew in my heart they would leave me behind when we went. I looked over at the guy with a foolish grin and smiled. The light turned green I gunned it.. but alas they were already so far ahead of me I felt like I was not even moving. Laffs. And this was with my car in its current state.. Needless to say I dont bother with you motorcycle people. :p
:-) But I have a huge respect for motorcycles. I just enjoy my cars.
ID be dead if I owned a motorcycle.
And that is another awesome point. You need a car that does not go into lift-off mode to use 600 HP. (No kidding saw on a mag cover walking thru the grocery store. )Honda Civic with 600HP and how they did it!. I was like Uhm.. And the point is.....
Mustangs ive found are rather fun to mod out the ass. I have a 1:11 Saleen Mustang rear end..
Why does there *have* to be. Speech as a method for controlling your computer has some severely limited function. Every time something interesting is posted, it *has* to be free and soon or well you might have to pay for it *gasps*
arg my mind is fried im trying to memorize new pwords today and they have 58 in them. (gasps dont hax0r me please) 5.2 seconds is how fast my car does 0-60 :-)
Bwah.. Those 'Stickered Up Civics' Annoy the crap out of me.
;-) And..
:p
Just let me start by saying only one euro has taken my car
It was a Blue Acura Integra and uhm.. Whatever he had in that thing it was so freaking fast 0-60 In VERY short order. Under 5.8 Seconds because thats what my car has been timed at.
Laffs, Anyways I just leave most of them slack jawed because my car looks like a regular beat up 1990 Mustang LX five oh.
It is a lot of fun and I just love cars period. Its sort of ironic I suppose but now that I have been able to afford in recent times the engine and 'other' modifications and have even had most of them done to make my car faster I dont even drive like I used to *sigh*. Maybe getting nailed by a suburban doing 70 has something to do with it
Totally offtopic. Jeremy
bah.