Your BlackJack cost you more than $50, but some of its actual cost ($500.00) was spread out over the life of your contract and hidden from you by your carrier. Besides, you got ripped off. Everybody else is getting paid $75 to take one of these hunks of junk off their hands.
GSM networks in the rest of the world use 3 frequencies, and in the US a 4th is used. iPhone is a quad band phone, and it will work just fine in the rest of the world.
This comment received not one, but two Troll mods!? WTF?! People, get a damn grip. It's a rational comment, expressed rationally. You may disagree, but it's not a Troll. The comment is based on recent science that you may not be aware of.
Well, it's video in general that is a "killer app". Steve Jobs mentioned a few years ago something along the lines of video being "the medium of this generation". YouTube is just a vehicle for enabling and exploiting that trend. There will undoubtedly be others.
iPhone has a camera. Even if it doesn't sport video recording on June 29, it could certainly be added to the iPhone later, via a software update. (This concept may be unfamiliar to most cell phone users, who are told to pound sand when they try to get firmware updates to fix their broken phones.)
Well, properly implemented H.264 hardware encoders shouldn't "zap batteries in their sleep" and should be much more efficient than Flash decoding on the CPU. I'm sure that it's also possible to design one poorly, but my guess is that Apple was aware of this potential. Incorporating a hardware decoder in the design also offloads work from the CPU, leaving it free to do other stuff while the video is playing, which probably also results in smoother video playback on a lower powered device like iPhone.
Uhm... the lack of iPhone sales outlets in Puerto Rico is not due to some strange type of discrimination against islands by Apple. They just make the handset. AT&T determines which geographic coverage areas have the proper network to support the device, and you can believe that they wish they had their poop in a group to be able to sell it everywhere, but they probably don't.
The initial sales of the iPhone are being restricted to Apple Stores and AT&T Wireless stores, probably to make the logistics of the initial rollout simpler. AT&T recently said that the number of retail outlets for the iPhone will expand after the initial launch. There are plenty of places in the 48 mainland states that can't get the iPhone too, including the entire state of Montana.
You keep using that phrase,straw man. I do not think it means what you think it means. You see, I didn't misrepresent my parent poster's opinion. You, however, misrepresented my argument by mischaracterizing it as a "straw man" argument when it was not. Thus it is you, not I, who have constructed the straw man argument. That, by the way, is an example of irony.
Furthermore, by assuming that I've made a straw man argument, and then asserting without any other evidence that I've done so, you have also provided a nice example of begging the question (aka "petitio principii").
Thank you for providing a two-fer example for logical fallacies with such brevity.
You keeping using that word, fanboy. I do not think it means what you think it means.
The parent to your post makes two primary statements, which you cite:
corrects a gross overstatement in the price of the iPhone, e.g. presents a verified fact which should have been known to the grandparent
states a personal preference that price is not the only consideration
This is not fanboism. This is a rational argument, a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.
Unfortunately there is no equivalent vaguely pejorative term which can be applied to people with your particular handicap, that being an obsessive refusal to consider facts in the assessment of a value proposition of goods in a marketplace, a pathological unwillingness to look beyond "sticker price" accompanied by lashing out with name calling when facts are presented for your consideration.
The term "fascist" is generally applied to people who use propaganda techniques like name calling to silence people with different viewpoints, rather than engaging in a rational discussion. That seems a little harsh.
In any case, your use of the term fanboism here represents an ad hominem attack. It serves only to undermine your credibility and does nothing to further your point. Since you didn't actually make one, perhaps that doesn't matter to you. It matters to the rest of us.
The chart is very clearly focused on a small set of features related to key differentiators of the iPhone. It's designed to attract people, to make them want to learn more about the iPhone. People who are curious will explore the feature set of the relative devices beyond this little chart. A giant chart with every feature of all devices would not attract nor interest anyone.
Your use of the term "fanboy" is unnecessary, as no actual fanboy performing actual fanboy stunts is cited. Attempting to use the propaganda technique of creating a boogeyman, "the evil fanboy" who pollutes your, uh, your advertising world by making excuses for, uh, advertisements, undermines any rational argument you may attempt to make.
The AT&T 3G network isn't widely deployed in the U.S. Since the iPhone supports WiFi, high speed access to networks will be available to people on the iPhone in WiFi hotspots. EDGE will work fine for SMS text chats and email. When the 3G HSDPAnetwork gets rolled out more widely, we will undoubtedly see 3G capable iPhones to use it. Meanwhile, EDGE is deployed in 13,000 cities, 3G in only a few dozen.
See the AT&T Wireless coverage chart (and see link below the chart for a list of 3G cities).
Since AT&T has about 1/3 of the U.S. market, that would mean about 3% of AT&T subscribers would need to switch for the iPhone to capture 1% of the market. This doesn't account for people who will switch carriers.
No. You posted AC because you posted a flamebait troll. Claiming to be afraid of the "fanboy" is an interesting ploy. I think you would have found that the mod points awarded to your AC post wouldn't have been much different if you had posted under your regular login, Mr. Ballmer.
It looks like the Motorola Q isn't competition with respect to battery life.
Motorola Q Review
"Here's the ugly part. Battery life of the Q just plain stinks. I know, I know, I've said all along that a lot of the Q is based on compromises based on the design.
Motorola quotes 4 hours talk time, but that's full of caveats. In the real world, with moderate phone use and 10 minute pulls from our Exchange server, the battery won't make it through the work day. Heavy phone users are going to be flustered pretty quickly.
Motorola has an extended battery option, but this of course ruins the lines of the device. So either go that route and give up a little bit on design, or invest in a car charger, backup battery and a charger for your home."
Looking at these phones it becomes clear that battery life was a secret feature of the iPhone, probably known to Apple all along. It's clearly one of the intended design features of the phone. By eliminating the keyboards (and sliders), and stylus storage slots, Apple wound up with a phone that not only has almost twice as much space available for the display screen, but also has nearly twice as much room for battery. Sure, they probably put a lot of effort into power management features of OS X, and other optimizations in the hardware design, but the biggest win is undoubtedly the physical design.
The share of the market which belongs to Windows Mobile is actually quite small, particularly compared to Symbian's industry dominating share upwards of 70%. It turns out that most people (well, all people with a margin of error of only 5.6%) don't seem to be obsessed with obscure Windows Mobile "business" features that are hard to set up and expensive to maintain (Exchange Server integration), on phones that don't work all that well. Here are some interesting articles on the market share of cell phone platforms.
Your discussion of killer apps on phones seems ingenuous. Random access to voicemail, real web browsing, and an easy to use Google maps function all three appear to be of great interest to non-geek folk interested in the iPhone. Several business people who are heavy cell phone users have told me, without prompting, that the random access voicemail feature alone will spur them to buy an iPhone. Salespeople are really jazzed about all three features, including the Google Maps. They have maps and web browsing on their smart phones today, but they are not happy with the non-ease of use of current devices. And they get lots and lots of voicemail, and they've known for years that they wanted random access to it. Exhange Server integration, well, it never comes up in the discussion until a geek ask about it. Nobody (a number of people approaching zero with a margin of error of 5.6%) cares about Exchange Server integration with their phone.
Your use of the term "fanboy" is technically incorrect. The parent post relies almost entirely on hypotheticals to elucidate a point regarding possible reasoning behind Apple's Safari for Windows move. Furthermore, calling the parent a "fanboy" is an ad hominem logical fallacy. Please endeavor to raise the level of discussion here, and avoid cheap shots. If you don't have a point to make, read and think more before you post. If you do have a poitn to make, don't undermine your credibility by including ad hominem attacks with your argument. Although there are those here who reward such childish behavior with mod points, there are people here who mod down for inappropriate use of the term "fanboy".
You're forgetting that the iPhone has WiFi. On average, people in the United States spend far more time in WiFi hotspots than they do in 3G hotspots (because there are so few). Lack of 3G in the first version will not hurt the iPhone. When AT&T finishes rollout of their HSDPA 3G network at up to 14.4 Mbits/sec, future generations of the iPhone will support it. Lack of 3G in the first U.S. version of the iPhone will not much affect iPhone sales. Future versions of the iPhone will have 3G. It's very likely that the European version of the iPhone, due in the fall, will support 3G, due to widespread availability of 3G networks in Europe.
Most people run Symbian, not Windows, on their mobile phones.
Note the Ballmer quote in the article.
But if you actually take a look at the 1.3 billion phones that get sold, I'd prefer to have our software in 60 per cent or 70 per cent or 80 per cent of them, than I would to have 2 per cent or 3 per cent, which is what Apple might get."
Yes, I bet he'd like that. But his software is on less than 6% of them now, and it's getting its ass kicked by Symbian. Ballmer will be quite annoyed if and when Apple gets a 3% market share, because it's taken Microsoft a decade of trying to get to just under 6% share.
OK, you clearly have a strong emotional attachment to Micosoft's Internet Explorer. Let's consider standards in the abstract, so that you can see what the discussion is really about.
If your country didn't have a standardized currency, then every bank would print its own money. You might not be able to buy things with your money at places you want to shop, or you might need to pay a 10% conversion fee to use money from your own bank. The bank you use might be determined for you by a co-marketing agreement with the company that you work for. Oh, you can use a different bank if you want, but you have to pay a 10% conversion fee every time you get a paycheck.
If cars didn't run on standard fuel, you might need to carefully plan your trips so that the type of fuel used by your car was available along your route. There would be some routes that you couldn't take, because your type of fuel wasn't available. You might need to own more than one car, or pay several thousand dollars for a conversion kit to use a different brand of fuel with your car.
If standards for electric generation and distribution didn't exist, then you might need to buy appliances which were custom made for your electric utility company. They might control the appliances you can buy through special co-marketing agreements with appliance vendors. In your neighborhood, you might not be able to choose between a Kitchen Aid mixer and a Sunbeam because your utility company chose for you.
I didn't label you a Microsoft fanboy, you merely said that I did that. Putting words in my mouth is a logical fallacy knows as a straw man argument. As it happens, I have recently begun to chastise people for using the term "fanboy" in these discussions. It has become entirely too frequent a ploy used by those who are unable to construct a decent argument. Calling someone a fanboi is merely an ad hominum attack, by the way.
Microsoft is a giant bureaucracy. I don't love it or hate it. I understand it better than you do, perhaps because it's not an emotional issue for me. You may be projecting.
Come in off the ledge. IE is broken in some well documented ways (see: Embrace, Extend, Extinguish). Fortunately, for the most part, most of those broken things can be accommodated with "hacks" such that web sites can be constructed in a standards-compliant way, and still render correctly in IE (by emitting bug-for-bug-IE-compliant HTML to IE, and normal unbroken code to other browsers). I'd guess you even know what some of those are.
If you cared about your customers, you wouldn't build web sites that exclude 15% of them, unless you are simply hostile in general, which might well be the case, i don't know. Since you're posting as a logged in user, I'd like to think you value your reputation a little more than that.
Ratchet down the vitriol a notch or two, and seriously, step back and think about the importance of standards. . I'm really not kidding. If you build web sites with an attitude like yours, you're going to be in serious need of an attitude adjustment about this time next year when twenty to thirty percent of web users are running web browsers which are standards compliant and those users are demanding support for standards compliant browsers like FireFox 3, Safari 3 on Windows and Macintosh, Opera 9, and the Nokia WebKit-based browser.
Finally, you have not elected to click my "friend" button, and you are doing a bit of yelling. I would appreciate it if you didn't abuse the term "my friend" by using it as a snide remark. If you want to convince me of the truth of your claims, then make a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.
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Parent is a simple fact, backed up with a link to prove it. Please, take your biased mods and go to digg where you belong.
Your BlackJack cost you more than $50, but some of its actual cost ($500.00) was spread out over the life of your contract and hidden from you by your carrier. Besides, you got ripped off. Everybody else is getting paid $75 to take one of these hunks of junk off their hands.
GSM networks in the rest of the world use 3 frequencies, and in the US a 4th is used. iPhone is a quad band phone, and it will work just fine in the rest of the world.
This comment received not one, but two Troll mods!? WTF?! People, get a damn grip. It's a rational comment, expressed rationally. You may disagree, but it's not a Troll. The comment is based on recent science that you may not be aware of.
Well, it's video in general that is a "killer app". Steve Jobs mentioned a few years ago something along the lines of video being "the medium of this generation". YouTube is just a vehicle for enabling and exploiting that trend. There will undoubtedly be others.
iPhone has a camera. Even if it doesn't sport video recording on June 29, it could certainly be added to the iPhone later, via a software update. (This concept may be unfamiliar to most cell phone users, who are told to pound sand when they try to get firmware updates to fix their broken phones.)
Well, properly implemented H.264 hardware encoders shouldn't "zap batteries in their sleep" and should be much more efficient than Flash decoding on the CPU. I'm sure that it's also possible to design one poorly, but my guess is that Apple was aware of this potential. Incorporating a hardware decoder in the design also offloads work from the CPU, leaving it free to do other stuff while the video is playing, which probably also results in smoother video playback on a lower powered device like iPhone.
Roads are typically paved. Walls and broken limbs are plastered.
Good grief.
Uhm... the lack of iPhone sales outlets in Puerto Rico is not due to some strange type of discrimination against islands by Apple. They just make the handset. AT&T determines which geographic coverage areas have the proper network to support the device, and you can believe that they wish they had their poop in a group to be able to sell it everywhere, but they probably don't.
The initial sales of the iPhone are being restricted to Apple Stores and AT&T Wireless stores, probably to make the logistics of the initial rollout simpler. AT&T recently said that the number of retail outlets for the iPhone will expand after the initial launch. There are plenty of places in the 48 mainland states that can't get the iPhone too, including the entire state of Montana.
You keep using that phrase,straw man. I do not think it means what you think it means. You see, I didn't misrepresent my parent poster's opinion. You, however, misrepresented my argument by mischaracterizing it as a "straw man" argument when it was not. Thus it is you, not I, who have constructed the straw man argument. That, by the way, is an example of irony.
Furthermore, by assuming that I've made a straw man argument, and then asserting without any other evidence that I've done so, you have also provided a nice example of begging the question (aka "petitio principii").
Thank you for providing a two-fer example for logical fallacies with such brevity.
The parent to your post makes two primary statements, which you cite:
- corrects a gross overstatement in the price of the iPhone, e.g. presents a verified fact which should have been known to the grandparent
- states a personal preference that price is not the only consideration
This is not fanboism. This is a rational argument, a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.Unfortunately there is no equivalent vaguely pejorative term which can be applied to people with your particular handicap, that being an obsessive refusal to consider facts in the assessment of a value proposition of goods in a marketplace, a pathological unwillingness to look beyond "sticker price" accompanied by lashing out with name calling when facts are presented for your consideration.
The term "fascist" is generally applied to people who use propaganda techniques like name calling to silence people with different viewpoints, rather than engaging in a rational discussion. That seems a little harsh.
In any case, your use of the term fanboism here represents an ad hominem attack. It serves only to undermine your credibility and does nothing to further your point. Since you didn't actually make one, perhaps that doesn't matter to you. It matters to the rest of us.
The chart is very clearly focused on a small set of features related to key differentiators of the iPhone. It's designed to attract people, to make them want to learn more about the iPhone. People who are curious will explore the feature set of the relative devices beyond this little chart. A giant chart with every feature of all devices would not attract nor interest anyone.
Your use of the term "fanboy" is unnecessary, as no actual fanboy performing actual fanboy stunts is cited. Attempting to use the propaganda technique of creating a boogeyman, "the evil fanboy" who pollutes your, uh, your advertising world by making excuses for, uh, advertisements, undermines any rational argument you may attempt to make.
The AT&T 3G network isn't widely deployed in the U.S. Since the iPhone supports WiFi, high speed access to networks will be available to people on the iPhone in WiFi hotspots. EDGE will work fine for SMS text chats and email. When the 3G HSDPAnetwork gets rolled out more widely, we will undoubtedly see 3G capable iPhones to use it. Meanwhile, EDGE is deployed in 13,000 cities, 3G in only a few dozen.
See the AT&T Wireless coverage chart (and see link below the chart for a list of 3G cities).
Since AT&T has about 1/3 of the U.S. market, that would mean about 3% of AT&T subscribers would need to switch for the iPhone to capture 1% of the market. This doesn't account for people who will switch carriers.
Furthermore, you're not proud of it. If you were proud of it, you would post under your account.
The current scratch resistant coatings are problematic. I want Optically Transparent, Scratch-Resistant, Diamond-Like Carbon Coatings on my iPhone.
No. You posted AC because you posted a flamebait troll. Claiming to be afraid of the "fanboy" is an interesting ploy. I think you would have found that the mod points awarded to your AC post wouldn't have been much different if you had posted under your regular login, Mr. Ballmer.
Presumably this device will be compatible with the iPhone, and may assist you in your desire to perform other tasks with your phone: iGasm.
Looking at these phones it becomes clear that battery life was a secret feature of the iPhone, probably known to Apple all along. It's clearly one of the intended design features of the phone. By eliminating the keyboards (and sliders), and stylus storage slots, Apple wound up with a phone that not only has almost twice as much space available for the display screen, but also has nearly twice as much room for battery. Sure, they probably put a lot of effort into power management features of OS X, and other optimizations in the hardware design, but the biggest win is undoubtedly the physical design.
The share of the market which belongs to Windows Mobile is actually quite small, particularly compared to Symbian's industry dominating share upwards of 70%. It turns out that most people (well, all people with a margin of error of only 5.6%) don't seem to be obsessed with obscure Windows Mobile "business" features that are hard to set up and expensive to maintain (Exchange Server integration), on phones that don't work all that well. Here are some interesting articles on the market share of cell phone platforms.
Apple iPhone to exceed Windows Mobile by 2008?
Smartphone
Symbian tops Smartphone OSes, but challenges loom
Linux trounces Windows Mobile in Smartphone shipments
Smartphone market share
Your discussion of killer apps on phones seems ingenuous. Random access to voicemail, real web browsing, and an easy to use Google maps function all three appear to be of great interest to non-geek folk interested in the iPhone. Several business people who are heavy cell phone users have told me, without prompting, that the random access voicemail feature alone will spur them to buy an iPhone. Salespeople are really jazzed about all three features, including the Google Maps. They have maps and web browsing on their smart phones today, but they are not happy with the non-ease of use of current devices. And they get lots and lots of voicemail, and they've known for years that they wanted random access to it. Exhange Server integration, well, it never comes up in the discussion until a geek ask about it. Nobody (a number of people approaching zero with a margin of error of 5.6%) cares about Exchange Server integration with their phone.
Your use of the term "fanboy" is technically incorrect. The parent post relies almost entirely on hypotheticals to elucidate a point regarding possible reasoning behind Apple's Safari for Windows move. Furthermore, calling the parent a "fanboy" is an ad hominem logical fallacy. Please endeavor to raise the level of discussion here, and avoid cheap shots. If you don't have a point to make, read and think more before you post. If you do have a poitn to make, don't undermine your credibility by including ad hominem attacks with your argument. Although there are those here who reward such childish behavior with mod points, there are people here who mod down for inappropriate use of the term "fanboy".
You're forgetting that the iPhone has WiFi. On average, people in the United States spend far more time in WiFi hotspots than they do in 3G hotspots (because there are so few). Lack of 3G in the first version will not hurt the iPhone. When AT&T finishes rollout of their HSDPA 3G network at up to 14.4 Mbits/sec, future generations of the iPhone will support it. Lack of 3G in the first U.S. version of the iPhone will not much affect iPhone sales. Future versions of the iPhone will have 3G. It's very likely that the European version of the iPhone, due in the fall, will support 3G, due to widespread availability of 3G networks in Europe.
- If your country didn't have a standardized currency, then every bank would print its own money. You might not be able to buy things with your money at places you want to shop, or you might need to pay a 10% conversion fee to use money from your own bank. The bank you use might be determined for you by a co-marketing agreement with the company that you work for. Oh, you can use a different bank if you want, but you have to pay a 10% conversion fee every time you get a paycheck.
- If cars didn't run on standard fuel, you might need to carefully plan your trips so that the type of fuel used by your car was available along your route. There would be some routes that you couldn't take, because your type of fuel wasn't available. You might need to own more than one car, or pay several thousand dollars for a conversion kit to use a different brand of fuel with your car.
- If standards for electric generation and distribution didn't exist, then you might need to buy appliances which were custom made for your electric utility company. They might control the appliances you can buy through special co-marketing agreements with appliance vendors. In your neighborhood, you might not be able to choose between a Kitchen Aid mixer and a Sunbeam because your utility company chose for you.
I didn't label you a Microsoft fanboy, you merely said that I did that. Putting words in my mouth is a logical fallacy knows as a straw man argument. As it happens, I have recently begun to chastise people for using the term "fanboy" in these discussions. It has become entirely too frequent a ploy used by those who are unable to construct a decent argument. Calling someone a fanboi is merely an ad hominum attack, by the way.Microsoft is a giant bureaucracy. I don't love it or hate it. I understand it better than you do, perhaps because it's not an emotional issue for me. You may be projecting.
Come in off the ledge. IE is broken in some well documented ways (see: Embrace, Extend, Extinguish). Fortunately, for the most part, most of those broken things can be accommodated with "hacks" such that web sites can be constructed in a standards-compliant way, and still render correctly in IE (by emitting bug-for-bug-IE-compliant HTML to IE, and normal unbroken code to other browsers). I'd guess you even know what some of those are.
If you cared about your customers, you wouldn't build web sites that exclude 15% of them, unless you are simply hostile in general, which might well be the case, i don't know. Since you're posting as a logged in user, I'd like to think you value your reputation a little more than that.
Ratchet down the vitriol a notch or two, and seriously, step back and think about the importance of standards. . I'm really not kidding. If you build web sites with an attitude like yours, you're going to be in serious need of an attitude adjustment about this time next year when twenty to thirty percent of web users are running web browsers which are standards compliant and those users are demanding support for standards compliant browsers like FireFox 3, Safari 3 on Windows and Macintosh, Opera 9, and the Nokia WebKit-based browser.
Finally, you have not elected to click my "friend" button, and you are doing a bit of yelling. I would appreciate it if you didn't abuse the term "my friend" by using it as a snide remark. If you want to convince me of the truth of your claims, then make a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.