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iPhone's "Mystery App" Is H.264 YouTube
Rebelgecko writes "It turns out the iPhone's mystery app is a custom YouTube viewer. The iPhone will play YouTube's videos using the H.264 codec(as will the AppleTV after an upgrade) for higher quality. From the look of it, it will take advantage of the iPhone's screen design and touch capabilities much more than watching videos in the iPhone's version of Safari would. The videos can be streamed via a Wi-Fi connection or the EDGE network."
That is *sweet*!
Shouldn't the inbuilt browser be able to view YouTube anyways?
It is really interesting, from a marketing point of view, how Apple takes things that would be ho-hum for any other brand or company, and suddenly turns it into front page news with the whole "mystery feature" game. They do this over and over and over, and nobody ever seems to catch on.
I mean, realistically, it's just another smartphone in an already overcrowded market. But it's front page news every day.
I don't need no instructions to know how to rock!!!!
Looks like it pays off to have a google member sitting on your board. You get access to the phone's "real" API's.
This is more evidence that if you want to write a killer iPhone app, Safari+AJAX may not have the power you need. Apple sure didn't find that combo to have the horespower when it went to implement Google Maps and now YouTube.
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Shouldn't the inbuilt browser be able to view YouTube anyways?
Rumor has it that the iPhone will not include Flash, and it's my understanding that YouTube relies on a Flash video player.
Tweet, tweet.
this was worth waiting for how? youtube may be fine in a lot of instances but when is the last time you were on the bus saying "god, i wish i could be watching youtube"?
if they could only make it to, like, surf myspace too. that'd make it totally worth the money. i'd buy two of them just so i can do both at the same time.
I don't know how many times my wife has been driving and I, sitting in the passenger seat bored out of my mind, thought to myself...
{dream sequence}
Damn I wish I could see a short clip of kittens doing cute things or kids doing lightsaber battles
{/dream sequence}
My life is now complete.
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Anyone know if desktop macs get the YouTube custom viewer? It would be a nice addition to Front Row.
Help! I'm a slashdot refugee.
Also, there's a USA Today article on iPhone today with the first new information from AT&T on the launch (even though it's not much):
http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/telecom/2 007-06-20-at&t-iphone-push_N.htm
AT&T girds for iPhone launch on June 29
By Leslie Cauley, USA TODAY
For consumers eager to get their hands on an Apple iPhone, here's the good news: It will be available in all 1,800 AT&T phone stores at 6 p.m. sharp on June 29.
The bad news? "We fully expect one or more of our stores to run out of stock on the first or second day -- my guess is the first day," says Larry Carter, senior vice president of sales for AT&T, the iPhone's exclusive U.S. distributor.
To help accommodate as much foot traffic as possible, AT&T phone stores will stay open an extra hour -- until 10 p.m. -- on the first day.
To get "iReady" for the big day, Carter says AT&T added 2,000 extra sales people to stores. Half will be there just to help handle the expected early crush of buyers. The other half, he says, will stay long-term to help with extra customers the iPhone is expected to draw to AT&T's stores.
Crowd control on launch day is a concern. In some markets -- Carter declined to name them -- AT&T is working with local law enforcement on crowd-control plans. It also has alerted landlords at shopping malls and other phone store locations to make sure nobody is caught off guard.
Not all stores are equal
Carter would not say which stores will have the biggest iPhone stockpiles, but allowed that iPod users are a "natural market" for the smart phone. As such, he says, stores in areas with big numbers of iPod users -- such as New York City, Chicago and much of California -- will be well stocked.
Does that mean that those stores will have more iPhones than stores in, say, Richmond, Va., or Florida? "Yes," he says. "It's just common sense."
If your local store sells out, Carter says sales people will take mail orders, and devices will be shipped in 3 to 5 days, inventory permitting. "Ultimately, we will meet every customer's desire to have one," Carter says.
To discourage sCalpers, AT&T plans to limit how many phones each customer can buy. Carter declined to cite the number, saying only that AT&T would try to prevent "hoarding and reselling."
New service plans for iPhone
There are other surprises in the works for June 29. In addition to launching the iPhone that day, Carter says AT&T also will announce new service plans for it.
He declined to be specific, but says plans will be customized for the iPhone. Translation: The iPhone may offer cool features such as unlimited Web browsing, but you'll have to pay for them.
Carter says the additional fees shouldn't be a surprise. "Regardless of which device you're using today, you pay us a certain amount for (voice) minutes, and you also pay us for data units," he says. "That is also true on the iPhone."
No amount of planning will help, however, if Apple is unable to supply enough phones. "That's what we stay awake at night thinking about," Carter says.
It's also out of AT&T's control. Manufacturing is being overseen by Apple, which also maintains control of design, customer care (for the device, not monthly service), advertising and more.
Apple, famously secretive about its products, has been mum about its Apple Store sales plans. So far, it has not allowed AT&T sales staff access to iPhones so they can get comfortable using them before the big day. "Apple wanted to launch it that way," Carter shrugs.
Only as good as network
One thing AT&T does control, however, is the network on which the iPhone will depend. While network reliability might not have the sex appeal of an iPhone, it could spell the difference between the device becoming a runaway success -- or a flop.
imagine the data charges from watching youtube all day on your iphone
Actually, I think the killer app will be uploading to YouTube from the iPhone. It would be predicated upon the chipset having H.264 encoding capabilities as well, but I see this being a potentially huge win for Apple if they could pull it off. It's the logical extension of what they're attempting to do with the platform, and it would transform video blogging and bring it to the mainstream.
...so I can watch fat, opinionated fucks spew their trash even when I'm roaming. Great!
What I want to know is if the iPhone's dock socket is plug compatible with existing iPod docking stations? Can I use my existing iPod players (iHome, HK Drive + Play, etc.) with the iPhone? I've searched for information, but can't find anything and it's impossible to tell from the images on the iPhone website.
Better yet, I wonder if it works with PornTube.com?
soon all bandwidth will be saturated with home made paris hilton sex tape rip-offs and videos of racoons eating out of their dogs food bowl... with the inevitable bits of ski accidents and skateboarding wipe outs.
yay internet.
I am sure viagra and cialis video spam is being designed as we speak...
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When the youtube videos are sized down to the dimensions of the iphone screen, wouldn't it look less pixelated anyways. I bet even some of the bad videos out there will look good on that small screen without having to change codecs.
Are there really that many nuts out there that give a flying donkey about the iPhone, that we have to see a new article about it every 12 hours, on the main page?
Am I the only one that sees the iPhone as only an (awesome) entertainment device? I might be wrong but I didn't see any spreadsheet or word processing apps. I realize a widget could be written to run some local version of the google office apps but isn't it a bit wasteful?
It would be so awesome of they released a developers kit (and wishful thinking, make it open to everyone). Too bad it's impossible (viruses, ugly inefficient apps and all that).
Whatever the outcome, I'll pay 500 to whoever writes the first 95% compatible full speed widgetized NES emulator with a comfortable input system.
Oh yeah, and gives me an iPhone to test it intensively for five or six years or until the next iPhone comes out.
This is just an iPhone-friendly version of youtube. IPhone users will view it with Safari. It's been public knowledge since the 16th of June.
visit it here
read old news articles about it here
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Once there's an FLV decoder made for DS, and the voip program is perfected, the DS will be able to do as much as the iPhone with the power of homebrew applications. And for three hundred dollars less to boot.
http://m.youtube.com/
works for me.
Maybe the editors did catch that lack of continuity, and they decided to leave it in. Maybe they put it there intentionally.
Why would they do that? Simple, to generate a lot of discussion and marketing buzz, and maybe even to get additional exposure for the iPhone on Slashdot.
It's just a cell phone. Why is this news?
For three years now, Microsoft has not wanted to allow H.264 (a.k.a. MPEG-4 Part 10 or AVC) in Windows Media Player; it's too tough a competitor for the Windows Media 9 codec (a.k.a. SMPTE VC-1 for a subset). This despite the fact that a Microsoft researcher headed the MPEG AVC committee, and the codec is mandated in both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray decks (along with MPEG-2 and Windows Media 9). Apple saw this weakness and every 7.x version of QuickTime on both OSX and Windows has H.264 support; it's the video format of the iTunes Music Store. GNU/Linux users can watch H.264 video with VLC. As it happens, H.264 was designed for a wide variation of delivery hardware and is perfectly adapted to mobile units (Flash is not). Transcoding low bitrate embedded Flash video encoded in On2 VP6, even on the fly, will not difficult, while Sorenson Spark is similar to H.264 to begin with. I have no doubt the Apple implementation will be very successful, while Microsoft flails on the sidelines yet again.
I have my Blackberry Pearl set up as a bluetooth modem for my Macbook Pro and it is on AT&T's EDGE network in NYC. A two minute youtube video takes about four minutes to load, so you can start watching at about the halfway mark.
Since when did YouTube become the killer app? Apple has put a lot of effort building YouTube into ATV and iPhone, but aren't there much better, more useful things? For instance, internet radio on ATV? Maybe I don't get YouTube, but I really don't understand why this is such a great thing.
And I was almost sure it would be the hat.
You don't understand how Apple has this effect because you, like everyone else who's a registered member of Slashdot, are a geek.
Geeks have a higher tolerance for poor user interface design, I mean heck look at how popular Linux, BSD and Unix are amongst the geek set. The "CLI" or Command Line Interface is actually PREFERRED by this set. You take two computers, say either a Windows based PC or Macintosh and compare it to a GUI'less Linux setup and a geek would know that both computers can do anything. A regular person however would consider the Linux computer to be useless because they wouldn't know how to nor would they be interested in taking the time to learn how to use it. If it isn't point and click, it loses. Geeks don't mind investing the time though, they LOVE to tinker.
This is why you consider the iPhone to be nothing special. I own a Treo 700p that can already do all the things the iPod can do just about and there are certainly Windows Mobile and Symbian phones that also do most of what the iPhone does at a much lower price. But thats NOT THE POINT. Its not about matching features for features. Its about making sure that people will actually be able and WILLING to use the features that your product DOES have.
I am absolutely positively certain that regular folks will get more use out of their iPhones then they will out of their Treos, HTCs, Motorola Qs, Blackberries, Nokias...etc simply because the iPhone has the better interface. Regular folks have higher standards when it comes to interfaces. Either its going to be well designed or it won't be used. Geeks on the other hand will put up with crappy user interfaces because they are blinded by the features underneath. The truest test is when a user buys a device on their own and no longer needs their "geek" friend/neighbor/co-worker to set it up for them. Thats the iPhone.
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After the Ipod came out there was a period (and to an extent this continue) where Ipods just got nicked left right and center because of Apple's stupid idea to give you white earphones, clearly marking you out as a target to get mugged. Now with the iphone, not only have you go the earphones, but you watch videos, so you are holding out a $500 phone at roughly arms length, in public. Am I not the only person who sees this as an incredible easy target for theives? And of course, when I'm at home I just use my computer, so I question the sensibility of actually using these features while "Roaming" (Personally I think that's a silly term anyway, I would not describe anything I ever do as "Roaming")
What is this nonsense? Why would Youtube deliberately use an inferior video codec for EVERYBODY not using an iPhone?
This is what the apple website says:
To achieve higher video quality and longer battery life on mobile devices, YouTube has begun encoding their videos in the advanced H.264 format, and iPhone will be the first mobile device to use the H.264-encoded videos. Over 10,000 videos will be available on June 29, and YouTube will be adding more each week until their full catalog of videos is available in the H.264 format this fall.
What it sounds like to me is that the videos encoded to H.264 would be smaller in size (the quality would be the same or lesser than the originals you and me watch on PC) and thus use WiFi less and increase battery life. Additionally, the hardware assisted h.264 decode also saves power (at the cost of extra h/w). Furthermore, ONLY a small portion of youtube videos will be available initially.
But I'd be glad to be corrected.
There is an easy way to tell... on the drive to work immediately following the 29th look for the number of cars wrapped around trees.
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rendering properly in safari? ha!
Oh God so far it's twelve iPhone stories since they announced the launch date on June 3rd.
That's more than four mostly speculative rave fests a week.
When will this madness stop???? And just how much Apple stock does Taco own?
Three Squirrels
Get a clue. MPEG-4 AVC (H.264) is the new MPEG industry standard codec and is scalable from mobile phones to high-definition screens. Its only downside is that it requires proc cycles and Microsoft refuses to support it because it threatens their own codec.
Hrm, stealing a device that doesn't just have a lowjack, but is a lowjack. Lets think about that.
Hmm I get an error when I try and view a video. Anyone else?
Obviously you can use it for streaming as well, though I don't know if you get the same bandwidth comparisons vs. the most popular streaming-video codecs, since there are so many of those out there. According to one of the Wikipedia pages, newer iPods support H.264 video formats, so they're capitalizing on those sales. And they're probably cutting down on the bandwidth required for YouTube, which is really important in a mobile data environment.
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Well, properly implemented H.264 hardware encoders shouldn't "zap batteries in their sleep" and should be much more efficient than Flash decoding on the CPU. I'm sure that it's also possible to design one poorly, but my guess is that Apple was aware of this potential. Incorporating a hardware decoder in the design also offloads work from the CPU, leaving it free to do other stuff while the video is playing, which probably also results in smoother video playback on a lower powered device like iPhone.
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May I offer my humblest excuses. I think I'll switch of the computer for a while and get a clue...
Forgot to add a link to Kinoma Player, INCLUDED with most PalmOS Treo: www.kinoma.com , which is a H264 (and also Sorenson Q3) player.
You know, TheGreek's comment is a little harsh, but it's spot-on. Flamebait is too harsh, for a post that calls a moron a moron. If it wasn't directed at a moon, then fine. Mod away. In this case, however, you risk your continued ability to moderate when you do this! The post by "an approximation of pi, 3.14159..." was pretty damn lame, particularly considering that they have been posting to other DRM and iPod related threads in their recent history. There are too many people who post without reading the article, or the summary, and this poster seems indeed not to have read the headline and deserves to be spanked for it. I've been mod'd Troll and Flamebait many times for posting entirely rational comments in threads regarding Apple. Despite what people here often claim about the "Apple Fanboy" it seems to be comments which are not overtly hostile to Apple which get punished with alarming frequency by moderation.
iPhone has a camera. Even if it doesn't sport video recording on June 29, it could certainly be added to the iPhone later, via a software update. (This concept may be unfamiliar to most cell phone users, who are told to pound sand when they try to get firmware updates to fix their broken phones.)
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Try that on your girlfriend and see what the results are.
Oh, wait, this is slashdot.
Nevermind.
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Well, it's video in general that is a "killer app". Steve Jobs mentioned a few years ago something along the lines of video being "the medium of this generation". YouTube is just a vehicle for enabling and exploiting that trend. There will undoubtedly be others.
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Sure you would.
When you realize so much data over the EDGE network will be well over $100 a month.
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WOW Amazing. Now if only they could go a step further and encode in H.264 and broadcast full television or clips over the airwaves to their portable devices. Maybe they'd call it something like...Digital Media Broadcasting. T-DMB for terrestrial, and S-DMB for satellite.
This is more evidence that if you want to write a killer iPhone app, Safari+AJAX may not have the power you need. Apple sure didn't find that combo to have the horespower when it went to implement Google Maps and now YouTube.
We don't know how those clients were built. It's conceivable that they were built on top of iPhone Safari 3.0 using special additional browser features. We already know that they've added a proprietary link type to initiate phone calls.
In 2000, Microsoft introduced a new, non-standard feature into IE to support what was basically a custom application: Outlook Web Access. It was then aped by the other browsers and went on to form the basis for a revolution in Web interfaces. I think Apple has thought long and hard about that. They have the reputation for UI innovation, but in this case the road to the future started in Redmond not Cupertino. I think the point of Safari on the iPhone, Safari on Windows, etc, is that soon Safari will start to have features built into it that allow Apple--and developers--to do things above and beyond the typical Web app development. I would not put it past them to try to compete with what Adobe is trying to do with Apollo.
Build a man a fire, he's warm for one night. Set him on fire, and he's warm for the rest of his life.
If any tool requires you to use "critical thinking skills" in comparison to a competing tool that does not, than the former tool "fails" at being the best it can be. Critical thinking skills should be reserved for making actual decisions, not simply getting a product to work.
"Decent" interfaces that you point out on competing smartphones just aren't good enough anymore when something better comes along. That something better is the iPhone. All that "decent" stuff that came before is although still quite usable, now dated and obsolete. Its yesterdays news.
Your position is almost comical. People spend hundreds of dollars on these devices and you are actually opposed to a product so easy to use that its "chewing your food for you." You personally, after spending this much money on a device actually WANT to have to do mental work to get the most out of it. Thats like spending full price for a car that you have to put together yourself when everyone else's is pre-constructed and drivable off the lot. Ha ha worked a car analogy in! Damn these users for wanting to get the most bang for their buck! Why they're wimps! REAL users know better than to expect exlimplary service and products when they hand over their cash!
Perhaps you should start a company that would sell devices based on your design preferences.
1. A hammer that has a loose neck that will only stiffen strong enough to be used after you enter into a keypad on the handle the first 56 digits of Pi.
2. A light switch that requires you to recite the Gettysburgh Address in order to function.
3. A weight scale that requires you to tap dance like Fred Astaire for 15 minutes before it will tell you your weight.
4. And lastly a dishwasher with a panel on the front that will require you to specify the exact amounts of water used, at what pressure and what temperatures and what amounts of detergent to be released at 50 different intervals during the wash cycle before you can use it.
After all, we want to make sure that absolutely NO ONE is forced to use a product that makes completeing tasks TOO EASY. If you are forced to use a product that spoon feeds you everything it stifles the development of CRITICAL THINKING skills.
You could call your company, Idiot Enterprises Incorporated.
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I personally find more interest in video on Google Video - they seem to usually be full length videos, such as documentaries, etc. YouTube is good too, but why not have access to bot... on the iPhone and AppleTV??? Make it happne, Apple!
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What? Will the iPhone turn cars into tree-huggers? Jobs' hippie past is still going strong it seems.
I'm sure AT&T will be thrilled with all these streaming video apps chewing up their wireless bandwidth.
Their edge network isn't really built for clients that keep a connection open all the time.
My RealPlayer for Mac installed a H.263 plugin to play it (but failed to install another plugin for 3GPP). So, not the same thing as the iPhone's H.264 streams then.
Based on what I've heard -- and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong here -- the initial version of the iPhone isn't going to include 3G capability, so its internet-access speed will be pretty limited. I have a GSM phone that doesn't have 3G, and using the internet on it, even with the Mobile version of Opera, is pretty painful. I can't imagine using YouTube or some other videoconferencing app over EDGE.
I could see YouTube being a 'killer app' if the phone did real high-speed data, enough so that you could stream video over it from anywhere, but barring that it seems a bit limited.
Although, I suppose if there's one thing that I should have learned over the past few years, it's to never doubt the ability of consumers to watch really crummy video of people making fools of themselves. And of cats.
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Wait a little while then buy the updated version for less money and no wait
My sister cried for weeks...the Cabbage Patch Kids were all out-of-stock, because my mother thought she could go to the toy store after shopping for groceries...too late.
My father thought he could go buy Pac-Man after work...too late. (the game on the Atari 2600 sucked anyway.)
I tried to purchase that prediction thingy at Christmas two years ago only a week before Christmas...too late.
I'll get one of these iPhone's this time...at 6:01PM!!!!
Because H.264 is better than H.263.
If I'm going to pay $500 for a phone and get reemed on a data plan, its secret feature better be alot more than just streaming YouTube video. If I want ridiculous, time-wasting crap like that, I'll get a Helio Ocean so I can keep track of my pedophile friends on MySpace...
I don't think so. Everything's variable length encoded so loose a single bit and thw whole thing goes kaboom. Give me mpeg4 any day.
you're not talking about digital performer 4.2, are you? if so lmk.
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free music
'cause it has wifi.
A bit harsh, but COME ON. It was right on the mark.
:x
All those things you mentioned - huge storage, huge touch screen etc - are great things for gamers... except for one downside.
They're expensive as hell. Which is why the iPhone costs $499, and why it's not going to sell to casual gamers. There's a reason other manufacturers went with cheaper screens.
The DS & GBA are selling well because they're *cheap*. The PSP is pushing the price barrier. iPhone is well past it.
Why would anyone engrave "Elbereth"?
Ok. We now have 12 icons. That makes the interface finally look balanced. But now what happens when Apple decide to add another icon for some other new cool service? The interface will look very lopsided with a single icon sitting in the bottom left.
There is just enough room, possibly, for 4 more icons on screen - before the screen requires some kind of scroll bar that limits the usability of the main interface. Apple really needs an "Extras" button - and things like "YouTube" should be in there. The front page should be the stuff you need quick access to - Notes, Mail, Address, Making a Call, iPod, Safari.
As this blog shows, there really is a need for easy access to these "web apps" that Apple says are so "sweet" to develop.
Fake Bill Gates wrote about this notion. He thinks the bigger picture is being overlooked. (see: The Case of the Missing Browsers (Why iPhone Can't Fail, Even if it Flops)
You can use this to watch videos.
[subliminal: PORN!]
Millions and millions of different videos are available.
[subliminal: BOOBIES!]
Village idiot in some extremely smart villages.
I've had 5 mp3 players now, and the iPod was easily the least intuitive, hardest to use, most fucking annoying player of the lot. I'm sick to death of hearing about how Apple's products "just work" because iTunes is by far the most irritating media player on Earth, the iPod is the only player I've owned that wouldn't drag/drop music...I currently own a 1GB Creative Zen Nano & an 80GB iPod video - the iPod hasn't been powered up in months, it's just too annoying to use.
YouTube will most-likely update their website with H.264 videos (probably as an option, not the default), once they get enough content encoded in that format on there. H.264 is lower bandwidth than h.263 (the codec currently used on Youtube, decoded by the Flash plugin), so there's no reason they wouldn't prefer to stream that format to you. The reason it will still only be optional and not the default is because flash is much more ubiquitous than QuickTime (the most common H.264 decoder).
"I like systems, their application excepted", George Sand (French)
I was still holding out hope the "mystery app" would be gps. Oh, well.
How many of you seriously feel youtube is a killer app for the iphone? Sure, you're going to have access to millions of crappy amateur vids and 'kitteh' clips, and then? What do you get in terms of real, value add content? Zilch.
If there's anything at all that's worth watching, eg. your favorite TV program or movie, then it's copyrighted and illegal on youtube.
What was apple thinking?
That is really a killer application, potentially making iPhone as successful as appleTV
It doesn't need flash. Youtube just launched their mobile version and it streams rstp (or some other acronym). Windows mobile phones do not support this by default, neither will apple (probably) and I don't believe palm does either. But with this it doesn't matter for apple. And since palm is dying that doesn't matter either. But with WM a growing segment of the overall cell phone market this could be a direct attack against MS by Google. You can get a workaround for wm, but how many non-techies will just use it as a con against the entire platform? But since Google and Apple have such an unearned good guy image no one is bothering to question the anti-competative elements of this. Even though both companies like to slug it out with MS and Apple does have a Googler on their board. If MS did this the lawsuit would be filed the day after the phone came out, or Google would just whine to the DOJ like they're doing in the case of desktop search.
This thing would have been "big" if it was just a widescreen iPod
It would have been "huge" if it was an ipod and phone with visual voicemail
We rip it apart continuously because the internet's "not technically the whole, entire internet" and it won't be a business class device. If we were a little less geek and a little more MBA, we'd all be saying things like "fantastic how this device positions in the initial market, rev 2 and the other family members will increase sales by X%!"
yup, I'm also getting an error when I try this on my Treo. It's the first-generation one, maybe that's the problem. It also reboots about half the time when I answer a call so maybe it's time to just throw it away and move up.
I note your tagline - can you tell me, before I spend any time at all in answering your post, how much actual experience you have with Safari and/or Apple products in general? It's so hard to know if you're just spouting negativism out of ignorance, or if you have a specific example you'd like to address. It seems that often, people speaking negatively about things, particularly apple-related things, are doing so out of ignorance and preconceived notions rather than actual personal experience, I'm wondering if you have something specific in mind or if this is just another one of those times.
Hopefully, other services will be able to hack the iPhone the way Jaman has worked on AppleTV.