5% in pollution outputs as of 1990 levels is the requirements in the Kyoto protocol. They think that is the stop gap, they thing that is what it will take to start the turn around... I call bullshit. While the climate may be warming its not like this hasn't happened in the past. And its not like it won't get cooler in the future. Climates are cyclic, always have been, always will be. I think we're down right dumb if we think that we can control our climate and keep it in our little comfort level. The history if this world is long with ice ages and extinctions and massive heat ups. The ice is melting int he arctic, its not the first time, but rest assured, there will be more again someday, we just won't be around to see it.
I see you didn't address the article I linked to, I'd love to hear your take on it.
Production efficiency and pollution output has a direct correlation. There is a relationship there that you are ignoring because it doesn't jive with your view.
Lets try to follow an example of this theory...
If I produce 1 million widgets and while I'm doing this I also produce 1 million units of pollution then I've got my 1/1 ratio. Now my competitor doesn't produce as many widgets as I do, he only produces 100,000 widgets, but he produces 300,000 units of pollution.
Now when you look at our pollution numbers I'm much worse. I'm 3 times worse than him, my 1 million units of pollution are terrible when compared to 300,000 units. But when you put it in perspective of efficiency and you see that he made 3 times as much pollution per widget, what does that say? Why aren't we demanding that pollution numbers be put in a ratio of pollution to GDP? Why not put it in perspective? Because then you'd have to use someone else as your kick ball, and that's not as much fun when its not the "bully".
And that is what you're doing. You are simply ignoring the fact that we are more efficient when we produce things. And to say that we're not great manufacturers you're ignoring the fact that we do still depend on manufacturing as a key industry. You wouldn't even be able to buy a loaf of bread in this country if all of our factories shut down. Sure we've shipped a lot of jobs to other countries. That's the joys of NAFTA that your heros Mr. Clinton and Gore supported, along with other "free trade" policies. That's how the market works, like it or not. But don't cut down your fellow Americans when they do things efficiently, and work very hard to help keep this country going.
If you don't think the US is making an effort then I find it hard to believe that you will think that much of anyone is making an effort. I'm not totally convinced that the global warming is even totally a man made issue. We might be contributing, but I don't think we're the ONLY thing that is causing this, and I don't think that we can just reverse it by cutting back on CO2 emissions by 5% of 1990's levels. Is that really the margin of error for us? 5% was the tipping point?
If they could write something to fix the human vulnerability in this equation then I think the baseline would probably fall to a rate where it would no longer be profitable form them to be sending spam...
The fact of the matter that all this doomsday shit has got to go. Yes, the United States was a major polluter, the worst at one point. But the air is cleaner today in America than what it was 50 years ago. Things ARE being done. Things have been improving for a long time. I'm not saying we should stop trying to make our air cleaner, but all of this crap that people spew about how the United States has such horrible air and the right wingers don't care and the sky is falling and blah blah blah... is just getting old.
here's some supporting links...that way I don't get modded troll...
Historical Ozone Trend
and just in case you would like to see how your air quality is doing today...
Click Here
We need to always be mindful, but enough with all the alarmist bullshit already.
And if China doesn't want to play by the rules and its such a big deal, then put your money where your mouth is, buy from companies that operate in countries that you agree with.
That's funny. Being a painter as an aside to my job in the technology field, I can take anything I want down to my paint store and they'll color match it and mix it for me. They can patent a paint formula, but if a competitor wants to do a color match and get an almost identical color there isn't a thing they can do about it.
I think maybe you missed the point where designing pages in Flash is an inherently bad idea due to its size and loading times. Oh sure, it might be pretty and make you feel all warm inside, but users get pissed when they have to stare at a message that says.. "oh just a minute while our really cool site loads, you're gonna love it, hold on.... almost there... just another few seconds.... "
This is why flash has been relegated to entertainment sites where all the flashy stuff is wanted and people are willing to wait for it. HTML/JS/DOM allows you to get enough of the "cool" features into a website with minimal load times and an increased user experience. Standardizing that is a great idea, then the browsers (and I'm looking at YOU Microsoft) can finally all work about the same. That leads to those decrease development costs you talk about.
Its so funny how things evolve. Anybody that doesn't want to do things the "easy" way with Flash are now just programming snobs?
The reason for using JS and the DOM is that even though it has some problems it has allowed for some really highly function web sites that provide a user experience that is highly acceptable, with very quick response times.
That's funny that you reference Google and Amazon in your "no downtime argument". Apparently you missed the part where gmail was down for a couple hours just recently, and the part where Amazon was having some issues with its EC2 staying up not too recently? Neither of those two companies have had their systems going for 6 years without a single second of downtime. Until you can reach that you should stop arguing on downtime...
Disclaimer: I work in place that uses IBM i midsize servers. I know its not a mainframe, but it runs like one.
It might just be time for devs to start using the little disclaimer.... This site best viewed with IE7+ or Moz FF 2.0+ (even though FF 2 will pretty much disappear in the next 6 to 8 months as well).
I understand his pain however. Our IT "gurus" here have just gotten around to allowing people to upgrade to IE7.
You were right, it was a rookie mistake. But rookie mistakes don't invalidate the usefulness of a language. I can destroy a machine's memory in C with some rookie mistakes but that doesn't stop people from writing incredibly complicated applications with it.
PS. I can't wait for IE6 to die. I think it will only be a matter of 6 - 8 months and we'll be able to stop supporting it. A lot of these problems will go away in the next year, just hang in there.
Oh come on troll. Seriously? PHP has become a very powerful language. The fact that you CAN hack up a quick and dirty web app with it doesn't mean that its ONLY used for that. For starters PHP at the very least gives you the ability to standardized your site design without a lot of duplicate code needing to be written. I'd much rather include a php script file that has my layout at the top of each page and just worry about the content. I can recode menu options and add links all in one spot.
Your statement is ignorant and hollow, and your Insightful score shows that sadly there are others that are just as bad.
I know this is/. but can't you at least make an effort?
I'm confused why you would inject a Prototype DOM object using the TinyMCE way. As you previously stated, they all have their own methods for DOM injection. The fact that you ended this post with a couple Silverlight/Flex fanboi sentences tells me that your javascript knowledge is about as deep as the half dozen library names that you threw out there.
Can there be compatibility issues between libraries? Sure. But how many times have you run into a feature in one the libraries that is so amazing that you can't live without it? Let alone the idea of not being able to use it because its not compatible with your current library of choice, thus ruining your day, and your view of javascript?
I'd say that if you've gotten to that point then you just don't know enough about javascript and should stop complaining when your library dependency lets you down.
No, I'm not trying to troll here, you've gotta come up with a real argument against javascript beyond the fact that there are a few compatibility issues that almost always can be solved one way or another, God forbid you actually have to look at the code instead of making a bunch of pre-built function calls.
No way. They could never make any money if they had to use Expo markers to track their inventory. When I was in college we had white boards with Expo markers and it was rather amusing watching a professor go through about 3 markers a week. And that is just notes for one math class...
I'm pretty sure that the only way they can do it and make money would be to use chalk on an old chalk board, demand is low because of these cool new white boards so they are practically giving away the old stuff.
I know it goes against their wiz bang philosophy but I don't think that its too hard to believe that the cleaning crew came by one night and erased a board or two that they weren't supposed to...
I was going to mod you down because that was a dumb statement. Obviously you have no idea how a pyramid scheme works if you think SS is one. Who is your upline? Who is getting rich off of your efforts?
SS might be coming up on a time when more is being removed than being put in and it may very well be that it was a good idea with a bad design, but to call it a pyramid scheme is just Trolling FUD.
potentially upsetting the environment... interesting idea... An alternative to oil is not guaranteed to produce enough energy in 5-10 years that would replace even what we would drill in Alaska. The fact remains that drilling in Alaska would take up a minute amount of land compared to the size of the area. There are already oil rigs and pipelines all over that region, just not on our federal lands. I'd be interested in seeing some references to some accidents that have wiped out the habitat like everyone is suggesting will happen if we drill there.
The whole "think of the polar bears" argument is false, there is no more threat to them then the fish in the Gulf Coast...and there aren't even any hurricanes up there... Drill now, help alleviate the problem, all the while trying to find alternative solutions. We should be doing ALL of these plans. NOT picking and choosing. We should build a nuke plant or two, a refinery, drill, and continue research for alternatives. To exclude any of those options would be a mistake.
Pointing the blame to the past 30 years of inactivity by our congressmen is nothing but utter garbage. Lets do something NOW so that in 30 years we aren't having this same damn argument. Pelosi and her dictator mentality in congress ought to be held accountable for her little conquest last week.
So we both agree that OTHER problems could arise or get worse, but algae blooms are NOT one of them. His question was in response to his previous sentence (more between the lines stuff). Just for the record.
I'm thinking along the lines of fertilizer run-off and the affect it has on algae in oceans.
This is known as a description of the algae bloom problem. I know, you need to read between a line or two to understand what he was getting at, but I think you are capable.
Ah yes, lets quote wikipedia instead of actual research from the leading expert on the subject. Good one.
These levels of nitrate can also lead to algae blooms,
This is the EXACT misinformation my posted link is supposed to correct. Thanks for STILL being off topic AND producing bad sources.
Oh come on. Really? Of course Nitrates are harmful, but maybe we should revisit the part where the Parent talks about Algae Blooms. Hmm, and then lets look at what I posted... Yeah, that referenced them as well...
I never said that nitrates are harmless, I said that it was phosphates causing the algae blooms.
Interestingly enough, not a single article you posted even has the word "algae" in it. But thanks for the off topic post anyway.
Did your wife buy into that story too? You really need to keep her out of your "business" account when you're using it for personals, I mean "personal" things.
I bet she would have given you the password after the divorce was finalized;)
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5% in pollution outputs as of 1990 levels is the requirements in the Kyoto protocol. They think that is the stop gap, they thing that is what it will take to start the turn around... I call bullshit. While the climate may be warming its not like this hasn't happened in the past. And its not like it won't get cooler in the future. Climates are cyclic, always have been, always will be. I think we're down right dumb if we think that we can control our climate and keep it in our little comfort level. The history if this world is long with ice ages and extinctions and massive heat ups. The ice is melting int he arctic, its not the first time, but rest assured, there will be more again someday, we just won't be around to see it.
I see you didn't address the article I linked to, I'd love to hear your take on it.
Production efficiency and pollution output has a direct correlation. There is a relationship there that you are ignoring because it doesn't jive with your view.
Lets try to follow an example of this theory...
If I produce 1 million widgets and while I'm doing this I also produce 1 million units of pollution then I've got my 1/1 ratio. Now my competitor doesn't produce as many widgets as I do, he only produces 100,000 widgets, but he produces 300,000 units of pollution.
Now when you look at our pollution numbers I'm much worse. I'm 3 times worse than him, my 1 million units of pollution are terrible when compared to 300,000 units. But when you put it in perspective of efficiency and you see that he made 3 times as much pollution per widget, what does that say? Why aren't we demanding that pollution numbers be put in a ratio of pollution to GDP? Why not put it in perspective? Because then you'd have to use someone else as your kick ball, and that's not as much fun when its not the "bully".
And that is what you're doing. You are simply ignoring the fact that we are more efficient when we produce things. And to say that we're not great manufacturers you're ignoring the fact that we do still depend on manufacturing as a key industry. You wouldn't even be able to buy a loaf of bread in this country if all of our factories shut down. Sure we've shipped a lot of jobs to other countries. That's the joys of NAFTA that your heros Mr. Clinton and Gore supported, along with other "free trade" policies. That's how the market works, like it or not. But don't cut down your fellow Americans when they do things efficiently, and work very hard to help keep this country going.
If you don't think the US is making an effort then I find it hard to believe that you will think that much of anyone is making an effort. I'm not totally convinced that the global warming is even totally a man made issue. We might be contributing, but I don't think we're the ONLY thing that is causing this, and I don't think that we can just reverse it by cutting back on CO2 emissions by 5% of 1990's levels. Is that really the margin of error for us? 5% was the tipping point?
I'm not going to reinvent the wheel, read this.
And remember, this was done during an environmentalist democrat run Senate.
If you are running a web hosting company of any kind and you're "too lazy" to keep yourself updated you shouldn't be in business in the first place.
Good riddance.
If they could write something to fix the human vulnerability in this equation then I think the baseline would probably fall to a rate where it would no longer be profitable form them to be sending spam...
The fact of the matter that all this doomsday shit has got to go. Yes, the United States was a major polluter, the worst at one point. But the air is cleaner today in America than what it was 50 years ago. Things ARE being done. Things have been improving for a long time. I'm not saying we should stop trying to make our air cleaner, but all of this crap that people spew about how the United States has such horrible air and the right wingers don't care and the sky is falling and blah blah blah... is just getting old.
here's some supporting links...that way I don't get modded troll... Historical Ozone Trend
and just in case you would like to see how your air quality is doing today...
Click Here
We need to always be mindful, but enough with all the alarmist bullshit already.
And if China doesn't want to play by the rules and its such a big deal, then put your money where your mouth is, buy from companies that operate in countries that you agree with.
That's funny. Being a painter as an aside to my job in the technology field, I can take anything I want down to my paint store and they'll color match it and mix it for me. They can patent a paint formula, but if a competitor wants to do a color match and get an almost identical color there isn't a thing they can do about it.
Home Depot must be full of smrt lawers.
dividing that number by every number from 1 to the number of the same length to make sure it is only evenly divisible by itself, and 1.
To be just a little bit picky... You can skip all of the even numbers, so really its only half as bad as you make it out to be ;)
I think maybe you missed the point where designing pages in Flash is an inherently bad idea due to its size and loading times. Oh sure, it might be pretty and make you feel all warm inside, but users get pissed when they have to stare at a message that says.. "oh just a minute while our really cool site loads, you're gonna love it, hold on.... almost there... just another few seconds.... "
This is why flash has been relegated to entertainment sites where all the flashy stuff is wanted and people are willing to wait for it. HTML/JS/DOM allows you to get enough of the "cool" features into a website with minimal load times and an increased user experience. Standardizing that is a great idea, then the browsers (and I'm looking at YOU Microsoft) can finally all work about the same. That leads to those decrease development costs you talk about.
Its so funny how things evolve. Anybody that doesn't want to do things the "easy" way with Flash are now just programming snobs?
The reason for using JS and the DOM is that even though it has some problems it has allowed for some really highly function web sites that provide a user experience that is highly acceptable, with very quick response times.
That's funny that you reference Google and Amazon in your "no downtime argument". Apparently you missed the part where gmail was down for a couple hours just recently, and the part where Amazon was having some issues with its EC2 staying up not too recently? Neither of those two companies have had their systems going for 6 years without a single second of downtime. Until you can reach that you should stop arguing on downtime...
Disclaimer: I work in place that uses IBM i midsize servers. I know its not a mainframe, but it runs like one.
It might just be time for devs to start using the little disclaimer.... This site best viewed with IE7+ or Moz FF 2.0+ (even though FF 2 will pretty much disappear in the next 6 to 8 months as well).
I understand his pain however. Our IT "gurus" here have just gotten around to allowing people to upgrade to IE7.
You might want to skip Age of Mythology, and bump Solar Jetman up to the top of your list. Solar Jetman is one of the hardest games I've ever played.
I know I'm off topic, save your mod points.
You were right, it was a rookie mistake. But rookie mistakes don't invalidate the usefulness of a language. I can destroy a machine's memory in C with some rookie mistakes but that doesn't stop people from writing incredibly complicated applications with it.
PS. I can't wait for IE6 to die. I think it will only be a matter of 6 - 8 months and we'll be able to stop supporting it. A lot of these problems will go away in the next year, just hang in there.
Oh come on troll. Seriously? PHP has become a very powerful language. The fact that you CAN hack up a quick and dirty web app with it doesn't mean that its ONLY used for that. For starters PHP at the very least gives you the ability to standardized your site design without a lot of duplicate code needing to be written. I'd much rather include a php script file that has my layout at the top of each page and just worry about the content. I can recode menu options and add links all in one spot.
/. but can't you at least make an effort?
Your statement is ignorant and hollow, and your Insightful score shows that sadly there are others that are just as bad.
I know this is
I'm confused why you would inject a Prototype DOM object using the TinyMCE way. As you previously stated, they all have their own methods for DOM injection. The fact that you ended this post with a couple Silverlight/Flex fanboi sentences tells me that your javascript knowledge is about as deep as the half dozen library names that you threw out there.
Can there be compatibility issues between libraries? Sure. But how many times have you run into a feature in one the libraries that is so amazing that you can't live without it? Let alone the idea of not being able to use it because its not compatible with your current library of choice, thus ruining your day, and your view of javascript?
I'd say that if you've gotten to that point then you just don't know enough about javascript and should stop complaining when your library dependency lets you down.
No, I'm not trying to troll here, you've gotta come up with a real argument against javascript beyond the fact that there are a few compatibility issues that almost always can be solved one way or another, God forbid you actually have to look at the code instead of making a bunch of pre-built function calls.
No way. They could never make any money if they had to use Expo markers to track their inventory. When I was in college we had white boards with Expo markers and it was rather amusing watching a professor go through about 3 markers a week. And that is just notes for one math class...
I'm pretty sure that the only way they can do it and make money would be to use chalk on an old chalk board, demand is low because of these cool new white boards so they are practically giving away the old stuff.
I know it goes against their wiz bang philosophy but I don't think that its too hard to believe that the cleaning crew came by one night and erased a board or two that they weren't supposed to...
I was going to mod you down because that was a dumb statement. Obviously you have no idea how a pyramid scheme works if you think SS is one. Who is your upline? Who is getting rich off of your efforts?
SS might be coming up on a time when more is being removed than being put in and it may very well be that it was a good idea with a bad design, but to call it a pyramid scheme is just Trolling FUD.
potentially upsetting the environment... interesting idea... An alternative to oil is not guaranteed to produce enough energy in 5-10 years that would replace even what we would drill in Alaska. The fact remains that drilling in Alaska would take up a minute amount of land compared to the size of the area. There are already oil rigs and pipelines all over that region, just not on our federal lands. I'd be interested in seeing some references to some accidents that have wiped out the habitat like everyone is suggesting will happen if we drill there.
The whole "think of the polar bears" argument is false, there is no more threat to them then the fish in the Gulf Coast...and there aren't even any hurricanes up there... Drill now, help alleviate the problem, all the while trying to find alternative solutions. We should be doing ALL of these plans. NOT picking and choosing. We should build a nuke plant or two, a refinery, drill, and continue research for alternatives. To exclude any of those options would be a mistake.
Pointing the blame to the past 30 years of inactivity by our congressmen is nothing but utter garbage. Lets do something NOW so that in 30 years we aren't having this same damn argument. Pelosi and her dictator mentality in congress ought to be held accountable for her little conquest last week.
So we both agree that OTHER problems could arise or get worse, but algae blooms are NOT one of them. His question was in response to his previous sentence (more between the lines stuff). Just for the record.
I'm thinking along the lines of fertilizer run-off and the affect it has on algae in oceans.
This is known as a description of the algae bloom problem. I know, you need to read between a line or two to understand what he was getting at, but I think you are capable.
Ah yes, lets quote wikipedia instead of actual research from the leading expert on the subject. Good one.
These levels of nitrate can also lead to algae blooms,
This is the EXACT misinformation my posted link is supposed to correct. Thanks for STILL being off topic AND producing bad sources.
Oh come on. Really? Of course Nitrates are harmful, but maybe we should revisit the part where the Parent talks about Algae Blooms. Hmm, and then lets look at what I posted... Yeah, that referenced them as well...
I never said that nitrates are harmless, I said that it was phosphates causing the algae blooms.
Interestingly enough, not a single article you posted even has the word "algae" in it. But thanks for the off topic post anyway.
I knew somebody would say this... Its not the nitrates that do the harm, its the phosphates... Just a couple weeks ago this was reinforced... Source
No, because he does that from work.
Well, if there does appear to be consequences the Pope better jump on the Statute of Limitations bandwagon if it exists in Spain.
Did your wife buy into that story too? You really need to keep her out of your "business" account when you're using it for personals, I mean "personal" things.
;)
I bet she would have given you the password after the divorce was finalized