So where's that uninstall IE, OE, MSN Messenger and all that other crap that I don't want button. Oh, wait, there isn't one. So what that means that if Microsoft is able to leverage their monopoly in the desktop operating system market into new markets by forcing people to have those programs on their computers, the only way to fix the problem is to force them to remove those programs (they say they can't) or force them to distribute the competitors. Then no one can complain that the market is skewed in MS's favor because MS is forced to carry everyone's product. Don't like it, don't bitch to me, go tell Microsoft that you want a level playing field for everyone and to get rid of all the shit they "integrated" into the OS.
The point is, Microsoft has been convicted of being an illegal monopoly. They have been convicted of breaking a contract with Sun to carry Java. People who do those things don't get to make all their own decisions anymore. Sorry that MS's customers are being hurt by their illegal behavior, but it's not like no one has been saying to dumb MS to avoid these kinds of problems.
Not always. Numerous studies have shown that teachers often call on boys more often, encourage them more, and provide other not-so-subtle to girls that they are less capable as students (particularly in math and science fields.) It may be unconscious on their part, but it still has very real effects, as plenty of women will tell you (assuming you actually listen to them, instead of telling them you know better, as has been done in this discussion).
And you just backed up his point which was "either by nature or nurture, men are better at math and sciense". Your post quite clearly states that you think the manner in which women are nurtured make them less likely to go into a scientific or technical position. Thus, there is no need to modify the current IT industry, but there is a need to modify the manner in which women are raised.
Either way, it does not change the fact that for whatever reason, men and women are wired differently.
Sorry, but saying girls don't focus on a single thing as well as men and women aren't as good at math as men aren't stereotypes. A stereotype is a image that you have about how a group of people act that may or may not be based in reality. However, it is completely 100% true that men and women's bodies and brains are wired differently. Perhaps this is because of evolution or society through the ages, but it is true. Women are wired to multitask. Maybe this was to enable them to care for families, but that is the way it works. Men are wired to focus on a single task for long periods of time. Perhaps that was to allow men to be efficient hunters. Women tend to like being around and interacting with people. Men are just as happy being alone or within a small inner group of friends. That isn't to say that there aren't exceptions, but ask any neurologist and they'll tell you its true.
Your surroundings can obviously skew what would otherwise happen naturally, but that is true of everything (look at bonsai trees for example).
Either way, please don't complain about stereotypes when it is beyond any doubt that women and men have brains that are wired to function differently.
Umm, you disagreed with someone saying that women prefer to multitask and men prefer to get deeply involved in one thing by saying:
"It appears ot me that women are better than men at staying on task and completing it especially if it's tedious. They are also good at juggling many things. Men are better at focusing completely on something they find interesting to the exclusion of everything else."
Unless I'm having a really hard time reading today, didn't you just say that women are better at multitasking and men are better at getting really involved with one thing (even if it isn't the one thing you told them to be involved in)? The fact that women are capable of completing things is not the issue, the issue is that women are better at keeping multiple things going at once whereas men are better at completely getting into the zone over a single thing.
Sorry, but if you think we should be sending people to jail for channel surfing during commercials then I really question the truth in your statement that you're for fair use.
What is wrong is advertising is an expense whereby you attempt to attract interest in your product or create brand recognition. If you have no interest in the ads being shown to you, that isn't your problem. By extension to your argument, people who don't read billboards on their drive to work or who show up late to a movie and miss the premovie adds should be thrown in jail too. In reality it just means that the ads are not effective. I dont know where this attitude that consumers are doing something wrong by not watching adds and buying products came from.
When big time television producers (or whatever he was) tell me that not watching commercials is breaking the implicit contract with the TV broadcaster but maybe it's "ok to get up and go to the bathroom during a commercial" I'm not going to believe that they are looking to do anything but make me pay for any and every use of the book/music/movie/tv show. Heck, to prove your point, show me one instance of the DMCA (because that was just to protect their copyrighted digital works) being used in a real copyright infrigement suit, not in a "they're using our stuff in a way we don't want them to" suit.
I've seen people in many threads in this story with links to anime on Amazon. DON'T GO THERE. http://www.rightstuf.com is the online store for The Right Stuf International. They have been selling anime in the US for 20 years or so, publish anime (Boogiepop Phantom, Irresponsible Captain Tylor) and partnered with ADV to make AnimeTrax (AnimeTrax produces the soundtracks for various anime and anime related shows). They have just about every piece of anime released in the US in their store. Go there, buy from them, they support getting anime into the US.
Please, if you're going to link to shows, link to the Right Stuf (www.rightstuf.com). They not only have an online store with damn near every piece of anime released in the US, but they also publish anime as well (Boogiepop Phantom, Irresponsible Captain Tylor). And if you give them $10 for a Got Anime membership, you get 10% off your orders. Really, go there, see their site, you'll be happy you did.
I don't know why anime fans never mention this but, The Right Stuf International's website has just about every piece of anime released in the US for sale. http://www.rightstuf.com. No need to search thru store shelves, go right to the source.
Either of those commands will get the most recent version of evolution packaged for the distro as well as all of its dependencies, and I don't need to wait for them to compile.
Its great that FreeBSD is a complete operating system, but so is Debian, Red Hat, SuSE, Mandrake, etc. And searching for RPMS might have been a problem years ago, but I don't think any package based distro doesn't have a utility that will download and install packages and their dependencies these days.
I'm sorry Sir, but you seem to have no idea how a distro like Red Hat or SuSE or Debian works.
1. There is no make.conf. make.conf is used for the ports system in BSD and Gentoo. Red Hat, SuSE, Debian, etc. are binary package based distros. You download a binary package, and install that, no compiling involved. Thus, no need for a master ports makefile. Heck, by default, none of those distros even install a compiler.
2. You don't need a special deamon to keep track of installed file in Red Hat or SuSE, every file installed by a package is kept in a package database. In Red Hat if you wanted to remove apache and all its files you type rpm -e apache. Boom, no more apache. As for library dependencies, if you minor library upgrade breaks an app, thats the app writers fault, not the distros. The RPM (Red Hat and SuSE) and DEB (Debian) package systems are better then the installers for Windows, you'll never get a "Couldn't complete uninstall, please remove files manually" message in a RPM or DEB based system, if you tell it to remove a package, every file installed by the package is removed.
So, if that is what you mean by standardization, it was completed years ago when rpm and deb were created.
(Btw, in case a configuration file isn't under etc in Red Hat, all you have to do is rpm -ql and it will happily tell you where every file in the package is).
They can't integrate Mozilla into any Gtk 2/Gnome 2 apps until the Gtk 2 version of Mozilla is released. This is also why there is no galeon 2 as of yet. Once Gtk 2 Mozilla is released expect to see the Mozilla view come back to Nautilus (actually, if we're lucky it will be a galeon 2 view).
http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-8.0-M anual/install-guide/ch-guimode.html Read the entire chapter and you will see you simply need a diskette with the bootnet.img on it and off you go.
With Red Hat 8 I can install the entire system over a network (FTP or HTTP) using 1 floppy and it uses the GUI installer. I hope the network installer wasn't all that was keeping you on Debian, because if it is it's time to switch.
Red Hat is also Free. Try to find any non OSS software in the downloadable version. Try to find any non OSS software on anything but the clearly marked Applications CD in the box set. Red Hat releases all the software they right under the GPL or LGPL (this includes their installer and all their utilities). You don't want to install ANY non OSS software, just don't install anything on the Applications CD. Red Hat even ripped all the mp3 utilities out of the distro, and Red Hat and Debian were the only 2 distros that wouldn't distribute KDE during the Qt licensing problems. Yes, Red Hat is the other completely OSS distro whether or not debian followers like to admit it or not.
And, OMG code reusage. Well, Red Hat doesn't support or suggest that you use apt-rpm, they have up2date which ties into the Red Hat Network which does the same thing (tho it is limited to the packages that Red Hat distributes). It's free for one system tho there are tricks to use it with multiple systems. apt-rpm is something connective did for their distro. Anyways, perhaps debian should try reusing some Red Hat code and use their installer and config utilties.
Red Hat can't redistribute mp3 software because it breaks the GPL. The GPL requires that any patents associated with the software be licensed for free for all users of the software. That used to be true (the license for mp3 used to say that free decoders got a free license). It no longer says that. So by redistributing xmms with mp3 decoding, Red Hat is violating copyright (it can't be licensed under the GPL and since there is no other license it reverts to normal copyright... ie no redistribution). Red Hat can pay the license fee, but they still can't redistribute the software.
You haven't even installed Red Hat 8 if you're complaining about these things.
1) Applications->System Settings->Packages It's got a list of all the packages provided by Red Hat. Check the ones you want and it prompts you for your install discs and installs them.
2) The Start Here link on the desktop lets you configure just about everything from a GUI.
3) Download an RPM, double click it and it prompts you to install it. That's all there is to it. No path choosing, no InstallShield, just a "Do you want to install. Yes/No" and it goes and installs it if you click yes.
4) Put in a cd and its automounted and a CD icon appears on your desktop and a file manager window pops up with the files on the CD displayed (it even prompts you if you want autorun to run).
In conclusion, go install Red Hat 8 and you can have basically everything you're asking for.
The OOo package is really nice, and both GNU and X emacs are included although they still default to installing only GNU emacs (see the text editors section of the package list to get Xemacs instead).
And yet oddly enough, some of the biggest bands ever came from word of mouth. Bands like the Greatful Dead and Phish all became extremely famous and they did it with next to no advertising. Phish was filling $7500 seat arenas before they had the money to do more then put up a flyer in their dorm room.
PHP and Mysql were both extremely well known before Zend and MySQL AB existed. As were Linux, Gnome, KDE, Apache, Bind, Sendmail, etc, etc, get the point yet, etc.
Not only are you cynical, but apparently, your big picture is rather small in the grand scheme of things.
I dunno about the 3 PCI slots, but there have been dual Athlon 1U's with 4 drive bays for over a year now. Go to penguincomputing.com or appro.com if you don't believe me. And dual 1800+ Athlon's will give you much better CPU performance then any Apple chip for non-Altivec (and I would be many Altivec) tasks. The dual Athlons I've mentioned are all cheaper then Apple's setup ($3000 for 1 proc apple vs $2500 for dual athlon). And, I'm sorry, but point 4 is dumb. If you're buying the system, you know your app will run on it. Buy from appro or penguin and you're guaranteed that Linux will run on your hardware.
And finally, J2EE is the enterprise application server of choice. Webobjects is really nice, but J2EE is where it's at right now.
Oh, and rack mount systems live in racks in a server room. I don't care what they look like.
Just to repeat this in another thread so that it might sink into you head *LINUX HAS DONE PRE-EMPTIVE MULTITASKING SINCE IT WAS CREATED*. If you're going to spout off about OS design, at least know the terminology. In many cases, Linux doesn't have a preemtable kernel, but it's always had preemptive multitasking. 2.5 will add more points in the kernel where it can be preemted, but every kernel (including Darwin) has critical sections where nothing can preempt it. Now, go back to your OS design class and learn those definitions before you fail your test.
That's because the Red Hat Rebate just came out. It'll take a good week for it to get into sid, a month after that it'll get into testing, and sometime in about 4 years it'll make it into stable. Give it some time man, you're working on debian time there.
If you want to kick some money back to Red Hat but $60 a distro is too much, do what I did and join the Red Hat Network. It's $60 a year for a machine and you get priority ISO downloads. Since Red Hat releases a new distro about every 6 months, that will get you back to $30 a distro.
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The point is, Microsoft has been convicted of being an illegal monopoly. They have been convicted of breaking a contract with Sun to carry Java. People who do those things don't get to make all their own decisions anymore. Sorry that MS's customers are being hurt by their illegal behavior, but it's not like no one has been saying to dumb MS to avoid these kinds of problems.
And you just backed up his point which was "either by nature or nurture, men are better at math and sciense". Your post quite clearly states that you think the manner in which women are nurtured make them less likely to go into a scientific or technical position. Thus, there is no need to modify the current IT industry, but there is a need to modify the manner in which women are raised.
Either way, it does not change the fact that for whatever reason, men and women are wired differently.
Sorry, but saying girls don't focus on a single thing as well as men and women aren't as good at math as men aren't stereotypes. A stereotype is a image that you have about how a group of people act that may or may not be based in reality. However, it is completely 100% true that men and women's bodies and brains are wired differently. Perhaps this is because of evolution or society through the ages, but it is true. Women are wired to multitask. Maybe this was to enable them to care for families, but that is the way it works. Men are wired to focus on a single task for long periods of time. Perhaps that was to allow men to be efficient hunters. Women tend to like being around and interacting with people. Men are just as happy being alone or within a small inner group of friends. That isn't to say that there aren't exceptions, but ask any neurologist and they'll tell you its true.
Your surroundings can obviously skew what would otherwise happen naturally, but that is true of everything (look at bonsai trees for example).
Either way, please don't complain about stereotypes when it is beyond any doubt that women and men have brains that are wired to function differently.
Umm, you disagreed with someone saying that women prefer to multitask and men prefer to get deeply involved in one thing by saying:
"It appears ot me that women are better than men at staying on task and completing it especially if it's tedious. They are also good at juggling many things. Men are better at focusing completely on something they find interesting to the exclusion of everything else."
Unless I'm having a really hard time reading today, didn't you just say that women are better at multitasking and men are better at getting really involved with one thing (even if it isn't the one thing you told them to be involved in)? The fact that women are capable of completing things is not the issue, the issue is that women are better at keeping multiple things going at once whereas men are better at completely getting into the zone over a single thing.
And what piece of software has Red Hat written and not released open source?
Sorry, but if you think we should be sending people to jail for channel surfing during commercials then I really question the truth in your statement that you're for fair use.
What is wrong is advertising is an expense whereby you attempt to attract interest in your product or create brand recognition. If you have no interest in the ads being shown to you, that isn't your problem. By extension to your argument, people who don't read billboards on their drive to work or who show up late to a movie and miss the premovie adds should be thrown in jail too. In reality it just means that the ads are not effective. I dont know where this attitude that consumers are doing something wrong by not watching adds and buying products came from.
Hope you don't use any pop up add blockers.
When big time television producers (or whatever he was) tell me that not watching commercials is breaking the implicit contract with the TV broadcaster but maybe it's "ok to get up and go to the bathroom during a commercial" I'm not going to believe that they are looking to do anything but make me pay for any and every use of the book/music/movie/tv show. Heck, to prove your point, show me one instance of the DMCA (because that was just to protect their copyrighted digital works) being used in a real copyright infrigement suit, not in a "they're using our stuff in a way we don't want them to" suit.
I've seen people in many threads in this story with links to anime on Amazon. DON'T GO THERE. http://www.rightstuf.com is the online store for The Right Stuf International. They have been selling anime in the US for 20 years or so, publish anime (Boogiepop Phantom, Irresponsible Captain Tylor) and partnered with ADV to make AnimeTrax (AnimeTrax produces the soundtracks for various anime and anime related shows). They have just about every piece of anime released in the US in their store. Go there, buy from them, they support getting anime into the US.
Please, if you're going to link to shows, link to the Right Stuf (www.rightstuf.com). They not only have an online store with damn near every piece of anime released in the US, but they also publish anime as well (Boogiepop Phantom, Irresponsible Captain Tylor). And if you give them $10 for a Got Anime membership, you get 10% off your orders. Really, go there, see their site, you'll be happy you did.
I don't know why anime fans never mention this but, The Right Stuf International's website has just about every piece of anime released in the US for sale. http://www.rightstuf.com. No need to search thru store shelves, go right to the source.
Install Red Hat: up2date evolution
Upgrade Red Hat: up2date -u evolution
Install Debian: apt-get install evolution
Upgrade Debian: apt-get upgrade evolution
Either of those commands will get the most recent version of evolution packaged for the distro as well as all of its dependencies, and I don't need to wait for them to compile.
Its great that FreeBSD is a complete operating system, but so is Debian, Red Hat, SuSE, Mandrake, etc. And searching for RPMS might have been a problem years ago, but I don't think any package based distro doesn't have a utility that will download and install packages and their dependencies these days.
I'm sorry Sir, but you seem to have no idea how a distro like Red Hat or SuSE or Debian works.
1. There is no make.conf. make.conf is used for the ports system in BSD and Gentoo. Red Hat, SuSE, Debian, etc. are binary package based distros. You download a binary package, and install that, no compiling involved. Thus, no need for a master ports makefile. Heck, by default, none of those distros even install a compiler.
2. You don't need a special deamon to keep track of installed file in Red Hat or SuSE, every file installed by a package is kept in a package database. In Red Hat if you wanted to remove apache and all its files you type rpm -e apache. Boom, no more apache. As for library dependencies, if you minor library upgrade breaks an app, thats the app writers fault, not the distros. The RPM (Red Hat and SuSE) and DEB (Debian) package systems are better then the installers for Windows, you'll never get a "Couldn't complete uninstall, please remove files manually" message in a RPM or DEB based system, if you tell it to remove a package, every file installed by the package is removed.
So, if that is what you mean by standardization, it was completed years ago when rpm and deb were created.
(Btw, in case a configuration file isn't under etc in Red Hat, all you have to do is rpm -ql and it will happily tell you where every file in the package is).
They can't integrate Mozilla into any Gtk 2/Gnome 2 apps until the Gtk 2 version of Mozilla is released. This is also why there is no galeon 2 as of yet. Once Gtk 2 Mozilla is released expect to see the Mozilla view come back to Nautilus (actually, if we're lucky it will be a galeon 2 view).
http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-8.0-M anual/install-guide/ch-guimode.html
Read the entire chapter and you will see you simply need a diskette with the bootnet.img on it and off you go.
With Red Hat 8 I can install the entire system over a network (FTP or HTTP) using 1 floppy and it uses the GUI installer. I hope the network installer wasn't all that was keeping you on Debian, because if it is it's time to switch.
Red Hat is also Free. Try to find any non OSS software in the downloadable version. Try to find any non OSS software on anything but the clearly marked Applications CD in the box set. Red Hat releases all the software they right under the GPL or LGPL (this includes their installer and all their utilities). You don't want to install ANY non OSS software, just don't install anything on the Applications CD. Red Hat even ripped all the mp3 utilities out of the distro, and Red Hat and Debian were the only 2 distros that wouldn't distribute KDE during the Qt licensing problems. Yes, Red Hat is the other completely OSS distro whether or not debian followers like to admit it or not.
And, OMG code reusage. Well, Red Hat doesn't support or suggest that you use apt-rpm, they have up2date which ties into the Red Hat Network which does the same thing (tho it is limited to the packages that Red Hat distributes). It's free for one system tho there are tricks to use it with multiple systems. apt-rpm is something connective did for their distro. Anyways, perhaps debian should try reusing some Red Hat code and use their installer and config utilties.
Red Hat can't redistribute mp3 software because it breaks the GPL. The GPL requires that any patents associated with the software be licensed for free for all users of the software. That used to be true (the license for mp3 used to say that free decoders got a free license). It no longer says that. So by redistributing xmms with mp3 decoding, Red Hat is violating copyright (it can't be licensed under the GPL and since there is no other license it reverts to normal copyright ... ie no redistribution). Red Hat can pay the license fee, but they still can't redistribute the software.
You haven't even installed Red Hat 8 if you're complaining about these things.
1) Applications->System Settings->Packages
It's got a list of all the packages provided by Red Hat. Check the ones you want and it prompts you for your install discs and installs them.
2) The Start Here link on the desktop lets you configure just about everything from a GUI.
3) Download an RPM, double click it and it prompts you to install it. That's all there is to it. No path choosing, no InstallShield, just a "Do you want to install. Yes/No" and it goes and installs it if you click yes.
4) Put in a cd and its automounted and a CD icon appears on your desktop and a file manager window pops up with the files on the CD displayed (it even prompts you if you want autorun to run).
In conclusion, go install Red Hat 8 and you can have basically everything you're asking for.
The OOo package is really nice, and both GNU and X emacs are included although they still default to installing only GNU emacs (see the text editors section of the package list to get Xemacs instead).
And yet oddly enough, some of the biggest bands ever came from word of mouth. Bands like the Greatful Dead and Phish all became extremely famous and they did it with next to no advertising. Phish was filling $7500 seat arenas before they had the money to do more then put up a flyer in their dorm room.
PHP and Mysql were both extremely well known before Zend and MySQL AB existed. As were Linux, Gnome, KDE, Apache, Bind, Sendmail, etc, etc, get the point yet, etc.
Not only are you cynical, but apparently, your big picture is rather small in the grand scheme of things.
I dunno about the 3 PCI slots, but there have been dual Athlon 1U's with 4 drive bays for over a year now. Go to penguincomputing.com or appro.com if you don't believe me. And dual 1800+ Athlon's will give you much better CPU performance then any Apple chip for non-Altivec (and I would be many Altivec) tasks. The dual Athlons I've mentioned are all cheaper then Apple's setup ($3000 for 1 proc apple vs $2500 for dual athlon). And, I'm sorry, but point 4 is dumb. If you're buying the system, you know your app will run on it. Buy from appro or penguin and you're guaranteed that Linux will run on your hardware.
And finally, J2EE is the enterprise application server of choice. Webobjects is really nice, but J2EE is where it's at right now.
Oh, and rack mount systems live in racks in a server room. I don't care what they look like.
Just to repeat this in another thread so that it might sink into you head *LINUX HAS DONE PRE-EMPTIVE MULTITASKING SINCE IT WAS CREATED*. If you're going to spout off about OS design, at least know the terminology. In many cases, Linux doesn't have a preemtable kernel, but it's always had preemptive multitasking. 2.5 will add more points in the kernel where it can be preemted, but every kernel (including Darwin) has critical sections where nothing can preempt it. Now, go back to your OS design class and learn those definitions before you fail your test.
That's because the Red Hat Rebate just came out. It'll take a good week for it to get into sid, a month after that it'll get into testing, and sometime in about 4 years it'll make it into stable. Give it some time man, you're working on debian time there.
If you want to kick some money back to Red Hat but $60 a distro is too much, do what I did and join the Red Hat Network. It's $60 a year for a machine and you get priority ISO downloads. Since Red Hat releases a new distro about every 6 months, that will get you back to $30 a distro.