I think you missed my point that it'd be easier for novies to use tabs if when you clicked (ie left clicked) a link instead of going to the next page it'd first have a drop down that asked how we wanted to open the link. Heck, let's throw in a talking paper clip while we're at it.
Making things more obvious is great until you reach a point where you're cluttering the user-interface. It's already obvious to any user that would know what to do with tabs that you can right-click on things to get more options. It's also obvious that you can go to the File menu to close windows and tabs. The people you're trying to make things easier for aren't going to use tabs any way.
Of course you can still use existing methods to close tabs (although they've made the horrible mistake of removing other right-click options for tabs) but it's simply an ugly and harder to use user-interface design which should never see the light of day. It's not whining to point out that something is a bad decision or at least a bad enough decision that it needs more work before releasing a product to millions of users that'll have to deal with that bad decision on a daily basis. I don't see clear evidence that the new tab system is better and I've heard a lot of other experienced user's complain about it too so I think we should hold off including it in a stable release and give it more development time to try to make something everyone will be happy with.
As a programmer it helps me to have a coupple large he res monitors on my desk. I like my iMac because it's big and has a small footprint. I do wish that it had a couple extra ports for plugging in additional monitors though. If Apple is going to go down this marketing path I think they need to look into making multiple monitors a standard option when ordering your iMac. A 30" monitor with two 20" monitors would be great.
Of course they need to make mousing better too - with a big monitor it seems to take forever to mouse around your screen.
I think Google would be compensated by driving extra traffic to their site so they shouldn't need to get any kind of payment for having currently copyrighted works available.
By 'more intuitive' do you mean it's dumbed down enough that those people that don't use tabs should be able to figure out how to close a tab if they every figure out how to open tabs? Most novice users I've seen still use either a single window without tabs or multiple windows. Maybe we should make a pop-down menu from every link offering to open in a new tab as the default behavior because it's also more intuitive for novices. Who cares that, like close buttons in each tab, it'd drive experienced users nuts.
Stop dumbing down software. Rather than making it so even an idiot can use it I suggest making it so intermediate level users can work effeciently. I'd expect user's that know how to open and use tabs to also be able to figure out that they can right click on tabs for more options, such as closing the tab, given that everything else in a browser (and most other apps) works that way.
We tried several methods including blicking lights and spinning discs. I can't really remember which worked best although I do remember it varied by who was being hypnotized. How well the hypnotism worked at all varied a lot from person to person too. When it worked, it tended to work pretty well though. First we made the player believe the game was real which greatly improved the game play experience and then we trained the player to respond to different symbols we edited into the game tiles to do things like increase aggression or fear which was sort of interesting.
It made for some really weird flash-back like dreams of the game.:)
People die. The fact you are so upset by a stranger's death shows that you have some childish fear of death. In many cases it'd be better if more people died. Protecting drug users, sluts (male or female), gang members, etc from their own self destructive lifestyles just wastes resources and keeps these people around hurting the rest of us. Let evolution take place and things will be better.
Hans' wife could have been a wonderful person, in which case it's to bad if she died, but I have no evidence of that whereas I have evidence that Hans has made an on-going contribution to society. So lacking further evidence I have to take the side of the person known to be beneficial to society.
I'm sure you're probably the kind of person that always defends crack whores when they're attacked by boy scouts.
Sorry but the truth has to be told - the Mac OS X UI sucks. The dock and poor window switching support are just the start of it's problems. Great for grandma but not very good for serious users that need dozens of windows open. That's why you have issues with some apps - or in my experience most apps.
Not that Windows, Gnome, KDE, or anything else I've tried is much better. It's all been dumbed down to make it easier for novices. OS X is possibly the worst offender though. To bad I love my iMac as far as hardware goes. It does also run Windows and Linux though so I can tri-boot.:)
Do we know that his wife is worth caring about? Hans has done something for me and his wife, to my knowledge, has never done so.. so I'll have to take his side even if he did off her. For all I know she was a psycho bitch that the world is better off without.
Okay.. I admit I've been watching Dr. Phil with my gf so I am in the mindset of thinking some women really need to die. Maybe next week Dr. Phil will make the slutty psycho bitch wife a wonderful person and I'll change my mind and send Hans to the chair.
I've never seen one that weighed an extra 50 lbs because of the conversion. Can I assume you're using some heavy form of motor and battery? The ones I've owned I'd say were probably less than 20lbs heavier for the conversion. They can wimp out sometimes if trying to make the thing take you up a big steep hill without any pedaling.
I'd say the weight depends on the rider. I know a lot of people who have trouble carrying a normal bike up stairs or throwing it into a car but I don't really have that problem (being a big scary guy). Maybe you could try a smaller lighter bike and a smaller conversion kit. As always, size everything according to your needs. Most likely it'll always be a lot lighter than a car or motorcycle.;)
In highschool we did a project where we learned to play Doom using an EEG device. Didn't work perfect but it did sort of work and with enough work I think anyone could learn to do it. It was mostly looking at the results of an EEG and learning to make differences in the read-out and then assigning the different levels to mouse signals. We used modified voice recognition software for processing the output waves from the EEG.
We also used hypnotism to make players believe they were really in the game.
Damn we were so far ahead of the times. To bad we never made a damn cent off of it. We didn't even win a prize. Blah.
Because it's bad UI design. Just because other people do things wrong doesn't mean we have to do it too. Does it actually make using tabs easier? My experience is that it makes using tabs harder for everyone except the complete newbies that don't use tabs anyway.
Changing default behaviors and appearence is important though. Yes I can change anything I want in Firefox but that doesn't mean I want the defaults to suck. I deal with other users that I have to support and I use computers outside my control sometimes - breaking the defaults makes those more work for me.
It was possible before anyway. I often did the 'right-click tab..close tab' and it worked just fine without needing to over complicate the UI. Reminds me.. I don't like how Firefox now simplifies the right-click menu on tabs to offer fewer options.
I've figured out the secret to making open source work - have lots of kids, train them to be open source coders, and gradually code yourself to world domination. Bwahaha I'll kill those unwanted tab features yet!
I think scrolling the tabs is a good idea but that it doesn't let you open enough tabs before activating scrolling, doesn't scroll very well, and is redundant with the dropdown list of tabs (which I think is better than scrolling). In short, it's not ready for prime time in my opinion. I'd rather they hold off and do it right if they're going to make such a change.
I've been testing the upcoming version for a while and I hate the tab changes. The tab changes are crappy. I'm an experienced user and I think so and my girlfriend that is a casual user complains about the changes too. Sure, you can make things mostly act the same as we're used to but it takes an effort to reconfigure and still doesn't work very well.
Having a close widget on each tab wastes space and is more work than a fixed location, the drop down doesn't work very well and should only appear if there are to many tabs, tab scrolling doesn't work very well and is probably not needed with the dropdown listing, and more tabs should be allowed to appear before they start scrolling.
A society that doesn't collapse under it's own weight is what's good for society. You can argue with what exactly is required for that to happen. I'd say that science and culture are critical for a healthy society and therefore the availability of books, music, movies, technical information, etc are critical to a healthy society.
I don't think I've ever heard a real educated argument that science and culture aren't important to the health and growth of a society. The usual arguments are either that the producer of the content's needs and wants are more important than society's or that non-educational material isn't important to society.
You seem to be taking the first argument and be saying that the good of the one is more important than the good of the many. Not a to uncommon argument in a society that is devoid of a notion of a personal responsibility for your community and people. Obviously being able to own a big house and drive a BMW is more important than leaving a beneficial legacy for future generations.
As to the second argument - it's very naive to think that making information available in usable forms such as books and code libraries isn't important to society. Likewise to think that fiction isn't important to binding society together and teaching common morals and concepts.
You'll notice that I never said that I think producers don't deserve to make a fair profit off their work or to have control over how their work is used. I think it's perfectly proper for producers to have total commercial control over how their work is used for a limited amount of time. To qualify for copyright protection though I'd require the work be formally registered, with a registration fee paid yearly, and permission be granted for non-commercial or archival use. I think it'd be inappropiate for Google to have advertisments on these pages that don't go directly to the producer and as I said before I think the ads should be free to the producer. As to the copyright registration fee I'd make it free the first year, $1 the second year, and doubled every year after the second year until it was no longer worth paying for - or something similar where the cost is low to start but goes up over time in some obvious way.
Putting individual rights and fiscal benefits as more important than that of society as a whole is very short sighted though so I can't agree with your 'tough crackers' concept. Individual rights are very important but they are not everything.
I think converting a bicycle is a good first project. It can be done for a couple hundred dollars and is pretty nifty as you can race around at a decent clip, you have almost no fuel cost, you can pedal if you run out of charge, and you can throw it on a bike or in the back of a car if you need to go long distances. Not at all bad for a weekend project and less than buying a XBox.
I think the obvious point is that open source is a process which is evidently working since we have these independent third parties donating help to find and fix these bugs in the open source software. Yes, you may find bugs in the open source but then you are finding and fixing the bugs in the open source. It's a matter of time before the open source has fewer bugs.
Please find and report bugs whenever possible. Fix some bugs if you can. This is the process that does make open source better in the long run.
There needs to be some copyright protection but it should never interfere with the good of society. Being able to search and access information freely is critical for an educated society and an educated society is critical for an advanced democratic civilization. I think providing free links to purchase copies of the material should be more than enough compensation to producers of science and art - if their work is worth buying then they'll sell more than they otherwise would have.
Opting out should not be an option for copyright holders. They are given fair compensation so the good of society should then come first. Maybe Google could also offer a way for authors to register for additional free ads related to their works. I for one would like to know when they have new books coming out, their web site, etc.
I think it's like the battle against music downloading. I buy far more CDs now than I did before I started downloading MP3s and it's because I'm much more aware of what is out there. I have wider tastes in music now and I know what more artists are called instead of only half knowing their music from the radio. Example given, I bought the new Weird Al CD on release day because I saw the YouTube video of White and Nerdy that was floating around.
I like email mailing lists best. It moves along fast but it works just fine for people to jump in anywhere in the conversation even after several days.
How many consumers really care how the launch goes? Die hard fans are willing to wait and shell out the big bucks - others just sort of pick the stuff up when they see it on the shelf or see a sale. As long as the systems don't actually suck then it's worth any wait.
GameStop here told me they weren't planning on any PS3 pre-orders because of the expected shortage. They suggested I camp outside the door the night before release if I want one. Ummm.. I'll spend $600 for it but camping out is to much for me. I'll give em an extra $100 if they'll just mail it to me on launch day.;)
Really the backward support of old games is probably the most interesting thing about the Wii. They should really buy up all the old games wholesale and make them available for free on the Wii. Everything from Intellivision to Playstation. Heck, throw in older PC game support. If all this was available for free on the Wii I'd definitely buy one and if I owned one I'd buy new games for it.
Hell no! PayPal has gotten worse and worse since it's been trying to be more like a bank. I'm constantly being annoyed with calls 'Did you make this purchase - it doesn't fit your profile.' and constantly having to dig up information to prove my account is being accessed by myself and not someone else. This is freaking annoying. I move $120,000+/yr through my account and I'm not stupid enough to lose my card or use a weak password. Leave me the hell alone with your stupid consumer protection schemes. I don't want to spend a couple hours a week (sometimes a lot more) jumping through hoops. Now and then I have to spend a couple days filling out faxes and calling PayPal to get things worked out. On top of that things like cash back bonus have gotten worse since PayPal has been moving to being more bank-like. All downhill since eBay bought it.
If you want a bank then use a bank. Leave PayPal alone for those of us who liked it the way it was.
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I think you missed my point that it'd be easier for novies to use tabs if when you clicked (ie left clicked) a link instead of going to the next page it'd first have a drop down that asked how we wanted to open the link. Heck, let's throw in a talking paper clip while we're at it.
Making things more obvious is great until you reach a point where you're cluttering the user-interface. It's already obvious to any user that would know what to do with tabs that you can right-click on things to get more options. It's also obvious that you can go to the File menu to close windows and tabs. The people you're trying to make things easier for aren't going to use tabs any way.
Of course you can still use existing methods to close tabs (although they've made the horrible mistake of removing other right-click options for tabs) but it's simply an ugly and harder to use user-interface design which should never see the light of day. It's not whining to point out that something is a bad decision or at least a bad enough decision that it needs more work before releasing a product to millions of users that'll have to deal with that bad decision on a daily basis. I don't see clear evidence that the new tab system is better and I've heard a lot of other experienced user's complain about it too so I think we should hold off including it in a stable release and give it more development time to try to make something everyone will be happy with.
As a programmer it helps me to have a coupple large he res monitors on my desk. I like my iMac because it's big and has a small footprint. I do wish that it had a couple extra ports for plugging in additional monitors though. If Apple is going to go down this marketing path I think they need to look into making multiple monitors a standard option when ordering your iMac. A 30" monitor with two 20" monitors would be great.
Of course they need to make mousing better too - with a big monitor it seems to take forever to mouse around your screen.
I think Google would be compensated by driving extra traffic to their site so they shouldn't need to get any kind of payment for having currently copyrighted works available.
By 'more intuitive' do you mean it's dumbed down enough that those people that don't use tabs should be able to figure out how to close a tab if they every figure out how to open tabs? Most novice users I've seen still use either a single window without tabs or multiple windows. Maybe we should make a pop-down menu from every link offering to open in a new tab as the default behavior because it's also more intuitive for novices. Who cares that, like close buttons in each tab, it'd drive experienced users nuts.
Stop dumbing down software. Rather than making it so even an idiot can use it I suggest making it so intermediate level users can work effeciently. I'd expect user's that know how to open and use tabs to also be able to figure out that they can right click on tabs for more options, such as closing the tab, given that everything else in a browser (and most other apps) works that way.
We tried several methods including blicking lights and spinning discs. I can't really remember which worked best although I do remember it varied by who was being hypnotized. How well the hypnotism worked at all varied a lot from person to person too. When it worked, it tended to work pretty well though. First we made the player believe the game was real which greatly improved the game play experience and then we trained the player to respond to different symbols we edited into the game tiles to do things like increase aggression or fear which was sort of interesting.
:)
It made for some really weird flash-back like dreams of the game.
People die. The fact you are so upset by a stranger's death shows that you have some childish fear of death. In many cases it'd be better if more people died. Protecting drug users, sluts (male or female), gang members, etc from their own self destructive lifestyles just wastes resources and keeps these people around hurting the rest of us. Let evolution take place and things will be better.
Hans' wife could have been a wonderful person, in which case it's to bad if she died, but I have no evidence of that whereas I have evidence that Hans has made an on-going contribution to society. So lacking further evidence I have to take the side of the person known to be beneficial to society.
I'm sure you're probably the kind of person that always defends crack whores when they're attacked by boy scouts.
Sorry but the truth has to be told - the Mac OS X UI sucks. The dock and poor window switching support are just the start of it's problems. Great for grandma but not very good for serious users that need dozens of windows open. That's why you have issues with some apps - or in my experience most apps.
:)
Not that Windows, Gnome, KDE, or anything else I've tried is much better. It's all been dumbed down to make it easier for novices. OS X is possibly the worst offender though. To bad I love my iMac as far as hardware goes. It does also run Windows and Linux though so I can tri-boot.
Do we know that his wife is worth caring about? Hans has done something for me and his wife, to my knowledge, has never done so.. so I'll have to take his side even if he did off her. For all I know she was a psycho bitch that the world is better off without.
Okay.. I admit I've been watching Dr. Phil with my gf so I am in the mindset of thinking some women really need to die. Maybe next week Dr. Phil will make the slutty psycho bitch wife a wonderful person and I'll change my mind and send Hans to the chair.
I've never seen one that weighed an extra 50 lbs because of the conversion. Can I assume you're using some heavy form of motor and battery? The ones I've owned I'd say were probably less than 20lbs heavier for the conversion. They can wimp out sometimes if trying to make the thing take you up a big steep hill without any pedaling.
;)
I'd say the weight depends on the rider. I know a lot of people who have trouble carrying a normal bike up stairs or throwing it into a car but I don't really have that problem (being a big scary guy). Maybe you could try a smaller lighter bike and a smaller conversion kit. As always, size everything according to your needs. Most likely it'll always be a lot lighter than a car or motorcycle.
In highschool we did a project where we learned to play Doom using an EEG device. Didn't work perfect but it did sort of work and with enough work I think anyone could learn to do it. It was mostly looking at the results of an EEG and learning to make differences in the read-out and then assigning the different levels to mouse signals. We used modified voice recognition software for processing the output waves from the EEG.
.. profit?
We also used hypnotism to make players believe they were really in the game.
Damn we were so far ahead of the times. To bad we never made a damn cent off of it. We didn't even win a prize. Blah.
Cool idea.. implement cool idea.. ???
Because it's bad UI design. Just because other people do things wrong doesn't mean we have to do it too. Does it actually make using tabs easier? My experience is that it makes using tabs harder for everyone except the complete newbies that don't use tabs anyway.
Changing default behaviors and appearence is important though. Yes I can change anything I want in Firefox but that doesn't mean I want the defaults to suck. I deal with other users that I have to support and I use computers outside my control sometimes - breaking the defaults makes those more work for me.
It was possible before anyway. I often did the 'right-click tab..close tab' and it worked just fine without needing to over complicate the UI. Reminds me.. I don't like how Firefox now simplifies the right-click menu on tabs to offer fewer options.
I've figured out the secret to making open source work - have lots of kids, train them to be open source coders, and gradually code yourself to world domination. Bwahaha I'll kill those unwanted tab features yet!
I think scrolling the tabs is a good idea but that it doesn't let you open enough tabs before activating scrolling, doesn't scroll very well, and is redundant with the dropdown list of tabs (which I think is better than scrolling). In short, it's not ready for prime time in my opinion. I'd rather they hold off and do it right if they're going to make such a change.
I've been testing the upcoming version for a while and I hate the tab changes. The tab changes are crappy. I'm an experienced user and I think so and my girlfriend that is a casual user complains about the changes too. Sure, you can make things mostly act the same as we're used to but it takes an effort to reconfigure and still doesn't work very well.
Having a close widget on each tab wastes space and is more work than a fixed location, the drop down doesn't work very well and should only appear if there are to many tabs, tab scrolling doesn't work very well and is probably not needed with the dropdown listing, and more tabs should be allowed to appear before they start scrolling.
A society that doesn't collapse under it's own weight is what's good for society. You can argue with what exactly is required for that to happen. I'd say that science and culture are critical for a healthy society and therefore the availability of books, music, movies, technical information, etc are critical to a healthy society.
I don't think I've ever heard a real educated argument that science and culture aren't important to the health and growth of a society. The usual arguments are either that the producer of the content's needs and wants are more important than society's or that non-educational material isn't important to society.
You seem to be taking the first argument and be saying that the good of the one is more important than the good of the many. Not a to uncommon argument in a society that is devoid of a notion of a personal responsibility for your community and people. Obviously being able to own a big house and drive a BMW is more important than leaving a beneficial legacy for future generations.
As to the second argument - it's very naive to think that making information available in usable forms such as books and code libraries isn't important to society. Likewise to think that fiction isn't important to binding society together and teaching common morals and concepts.
You'll notice that I never said that I think producers don't deserve to make a fair profit off their work or to have control over how their work is used. I think it's perfectly proper for producers to have total commercial control over how their work is used for a limited amount of time. To qualify for copyright protection though I'd require the work be formally registered, with a registration fee paid yearly, and permission be granted for non-commercial or archival use. I think it'd be inappropiate for Google to have advertisments on these pages that don't go directly to the producer and as I said before I think the ads should be free to the producer. As to the copyright registration fee I'd make it free the first year, $1 the second year, and doubled every year after the second year until it was no longer worth paying for - or something similar where the cost is low to start but goes up over time in some obvious way.
Putting individual rights and fiscal benefits as more important than that of society as a whole is very short sighted though so I can't agree with your 'tough crackers' concept. Individual rights are very important but they are not everything.
I think converting a bicycle is a good first project. It can be done for a couple hundred dollars and is pretty nifty as you can race around at a decent clip, you have almost no fuel cost, you can pedal if you run out of charge, and you can throw it on a bike or in the back of a car if you need to go long distances. Not at all bad for a weekend project and less than buying a XBox.
I think the obvious point is that open source is a process which is evidently working since we have these independent third parties donating help to find and fix these bugs in the open source software. Yes, you may find bugs in the open source but then you are finding and fixing the bugs in the open source. It's a matter of time before the open source has fewer bugs.
Please find and report bugs whenever possible. Fix some bugs if you can. This is the process that does make open source better in the long run.
There needs to be some copyright protection but it should never interfere with the good of society. Being able to search and access information freely is critical for an educated society and an educated society is critical for an advanced democratic civilization. I think providing free links to purchase copies of the material should be more than enough compensation to producers of science and art - if their work is worth buying then they'll sell more than they otherwise would have.
Opting out should not be an option for copyright holders. They are given fair compensation so the good of society should then come first. Maybe Google could also offer a way for authors to register for additional free ads related to their works. I for one would like to know when they have new books coming out, their web site, etc.
I think it's like the battle against music downloading. I buy far more CDs now than I did before I started downloading MP3s and it's because I'm much more aware of what is out there. I have wider tastes in music now and I know what more artists are called instead of only half knowing their music from the radio. Example given, I bought the new Weird Al CD on release day because I saw the YouTube video of White and Nerdy that was floating around.
I like email mailing lists best. It moves along fast but it works just fine for people to jump in anywhere in the conversation even after several days.
How many consumers really care how the launch goes? Die hard fans are willing to wait and shell out the big bucks - others just sort of pick the stuff up when they see it on the shelf or see a sale. As long as the systems don't actually suck then it's worth any wait.
GameStop here told me they weren't planning on any PS3 pre-orders because of the expected shortage. They suggested I camp outside the door the night before release if I want one. Ummm.. I'll spend $600 for it but camping out is to much for me. I'll give em an extra $100 if they'll just mail it to me on launch day. ;)
Really the backward support of old games is probably the most interesting thing about the Wii. They should really buy up all the old games wholesale and make them available for free on the Wii. Everything from Intellivision to Playstation. Heck, throw in older PC game support. If all this was available for free on the Wii I'd definitely buy one and if I owned one I'd buy new games for it.
I'm hoping for Zork.
Hell no! PayPal has gotten worse and worse since it's been trying to be more like a bank. I'm constantly being annoyed with calls 'Did you make this purchase - it doesn't fit your profile.' and constantly having to dig up information to prove my account is being accessed by myself and not someone else. This is freaking annoying. I move $120,000+/yr through my account and I'm not stupid enough to lose my card or use a weak password. Leave me the hell alone with your stupid consumer protection schemes. I don't want to spend a couple hours a week (sometimes a lot more) jumping through hoops. Now and then I have to spend a couple days filling out faxes and calling PayPal to get things worked out. On top of that things like cash back bonus have gotten worse since PayPal has been moving to being more bank-like. All downhill since eBay bought it.
If you want a bank then use a bank. Leave PayPal alone for those of us who liked it the way it was.