It really doesn't take a lot of time to restore a drive if all it did was stop working. You replace the part and plug it back in.
Dirt cheap is of little use if they aren't reliable. The problem is in the drive to fit more data in the same space at a dirt cheap price that the drives have become very unreliable. How many backups can you REALLY keep if you have terabytes of data? Is it really cost effective to do so? Is it still dirt cheap?
If not actually doing the recovery themselves then at minimum drive manufacturers should make it easier to order a specific drive or replacement parts for it. It's ridiculous for the same model number to be very different based on what day of the week it was made and which factory made it with no way to tell the difference.
The really disgusting thing IMO is that major governments haven't done much more than hold blame game hearings. This is really a pretty major problem and we haven't brought the full power of even the US to bear on the problem. We can send a man to the moon but not cap a damn well? There isn't a scientist or engineer in the entire country with an idea of how to fix this? Instead of pointing fingers and posturing we should be pulling in all possible suggestions, evaluating them in order of safety and likelihood to work, and trying them one by one. While one is being tried be getting the next effort ready.
And for gawd sakes when we fix it then invest R&D in undersea construction and living. That is what basic research is good for - coming up with results to problems you didn't know you'd have.
Usually a lot of it is compressed. I often use a filesystem type that is compressed for these. Might squeeze a bit out by compressing the whole thing but it usually isn't a big issue.
Maybe but that's how real people use email. Try asking the average Joe to use an anonymous FTP dropbox to send you a file. Yeah it's not going to happen without a lot of pain and effort. Even for developers it's often easier to have systems send an email rather than doing 'better' things. Or like myself they do it the better way and then send an email too as a backup system. You can never have to much redundancy when it comes to data.
Email is a suck set of protocols left over from the days of the dinosaurs but most people have learned to use it reasonably well. What they need to do is re-engineer email to work the way real people want to use it. I can't believe anybody really likes the internals of how email works anyway. I've set up a more than a few mail servers and it isn't pretty; which is why now I host my email on Google Apps.
Why would you read all your email? Most of it is there in case there is a problem so I can do a search, find all the records, and pull up the data. Also systems, and other people, email me a lot of non-text data. Just because you live in 1995 doesn't mean everybody does.
Any brand has the occasional lemon but overall WD is decent. People expect unrealistic things from hard drives too. You're talking about a device extremely sensitive to heat, moisture, vibration, and magnetism at the least and people want to cram 2TB of priceless family photos and their thesis paper into a $50 device without making backups. Yeah that's a recipe for disaster. I know - I've made the same mistake and paid for it.
Lately I've been using WD Caviar Black 1TB w/ 64MB cache drives in a Drobo Elite and they've been doing pretty well but I expect to lose a couple of them per year under the stress of being in a server. Certain files I keep in RAID5 on Corsair Nova SSD drives and I use the same drives in my laptops and they've done pretty well. And of course everything is backed up to a NAS drive of which I use both WD My Book World Edition II - 2 TB (2 x 1 TB in RAID1) and Drobo FS.
Previously I had used a couple cheaper NAS and Firewire/USB/eSATA drives for backup but all of them died. One happened to die at the same time the main drive died which was unpleasant - both were about six months old. I think hard drive manufacturers should have to include free data restoration for the life of the warranty. The main expense of data restoration is getting exact matching parts for your drive so the manufacturer could do it MUCH cheaper and easier than anyone else. Wouldn't hurt to have a drive stop working completely, unless a jumper is switched, when it senses itself dying so it won't self destruct further. Of course if I got to pick I'd like to see standard sized PC and laptop drives come w/ two physically separate drives and RAID 1 so the drive could sense death and go into a read-only recovery mode. Data is way more valuable than hardware so every possible effort should be made to make data possible to recover. 1TB for $150 is fine with me - instead of offering me 2TB for the same price give me the built-in RAID1.
I just want the right to compete with the carriers. I'll pay my portion to run fiber through my neighborhood and to my home and a monthly access fee if my neighbors will. Most of my data stays within the neighborhood anyway as it goes between my home and office. It already costs a small fortune ($1000+/mo on top of $1000's to install) for our 7Mb fiber line to the office anyway so why not shell out a little more for decent bandwidth and no stupid rules. Have been considering setting up a good wifi mesh, with free public access, on my own dime around my neighborhood anyway but fiber would be cool too.
I use Roku for Netflix's streaming movies so I also suspect a lot of their limits are imposed more to stop competition than anything else.
Anyone without backups today is crazy. I switched my laptops to SSD and all other systems are at least RAID 1, all backup to NAS (that is again RAID), and critical data gets backed up remotely. If we didn't have such crappy bandwidth here in the US I'd say everything should be remotely backed up (encrypted and saved to the cloud).
I think it's only a matter of time before the average home has it's own cloud server. Something that securely stores and backs up data both locally and remotely as well as offering additional processing power to mobile devices (laptop, tablet, phone) on demand. My local disk is really little more than a data cache to enable faster access and occasionally leaving the network. Already becoming reality in many businesses although it's still a rough do-it-yourself solution to a large degree.
So unimaginative. With the same amount of effort you could create a successful business. Crime really doesn't make sense for the most part.
The easiest way to get private information from people is to offer them free, or cheap, stuff. Amazing what people will tell you out of greed. No stealing information, no breaking in, etc. Just let people tell you for themselves.
There is no real legal right to privacy, in the US at least, and IMO that is a good thing. There is nothing about you or me that is very unique and worth hiding. For the mere issue of people being embarrassed by their own actions or existence it is not worth removing all the great uses of collected data. Obviously collecting publicly exposed data is different than invading a user's personal space. If I take a photo of someone on the street it's okay. If I sneak into their bedroom it's not. If I pick up their unencrypted data it's okay. If I break into their network it's not. If I record everything a user is publishing about themselves when they visit my website it's okay. If I use a security hole to install a keylogger it's not. It's a pretty obvious line. The more data people will expose the better services they will get. For example by collecting data from all visitors to my website I can analyze what users from a given region during a given time of the year are most likely to be looking for. If I pull the weather information for users based on their location I can go further and suggest products based on the recent weather. If it's unseasonable cool this year the system can say "Hey usually I'd suggest swimsuits but it's still cool this year so I'll suggest long sleeved tees." Consumers love that kind of service but it happens because we collect and analyze data about all our customers.
In today's paranoid environment with people screaming about privacy and copyright could services such as Google even have been created? I think they'd quickly be sued out of existence. Innovation should not be a victim of frightened idiots.
I think it's completely stupid that we don't have a national id. For example I've been fighting with the IRS for years now because either they made a typo at some point or someone stole my identity (but only for taxes?) and used my SSN. I've jumped through hoop after hoop trying to prove I'm really me. Last year I finally got them to except my letter from the Social Security office that I am me and they finally sent me a small portion of the tax refunds they owe me - this year I've again received nothing as they seem to again be in doubt if I'm really me. I haven't moved, they can call my mother, I have a driver's license, etc but none of that helps. They should require taking unique identification, fingerprints and DNA at least, when issuing a SSN and forever after be able to verify who you are. I'd go as far as issuing everybody a unique mailing address, phone number, and email address with their unique id so they'd have a known point of contact for life. All other endorsements such as credit cards, drivers license, insurance, etc should just be data attached to your unique id.
The problem is when apps have bad on-screen controls which honestly seems to often be a problem unheard of developers figure out but the big names don't bother. You shouldn't have to know where the buttons are on-screen or even have buttons. Slide your finger around and the direction you're moving is obviously the way you want the button to go. If you're tapping you want to press a button. The sad thing is the iPad version of Tetris is even worse than the iPhone version. They don't learn and really don't care. On the other hand a lot of other iPhone/iPad apps are awesome and much more affordable. I see a lot of unhappy reviews on iPhone apps but most come from people that didn't read the reviews first and didn't read the App Store directions so they don't know they can just ask for refund on any app they don't like by clicking the right button.
Occasionally tactile controls would be nice though. Dunno why everyone and their dog creates a lame knockoff of one of about half a dozen boring case designs when it'd be easy to design one with cool features like a built-in keyboard or game controls or even a web cam. I designed one for iTouch/iPhone, for my own use, that builds in a barcode scanner.
iTouch/iPad - no expensive contract. You can jailbreak it for free by downloading an app that takes no clicks, keypresses, or other forms of thought and about 10 seconds to run. Or you can pay to be a developer. And you can run thousands of very nice apps without doing either for the huge price of ~$0-$10 each (I'd say the average is around $3.). Could have hardware buttons if anyone felt the need to actually add them. I wouldn't mind a fast snap on case that added them but can't say I ever really feel the need.
I didn't see a price for the Pandora - cheap could be a valid claim. Why did they make it so darn ugly though? And it looks doomed to break easily with the clam shell design and so many ports and such.
Honestly I think anything that isn't a clean (minimal built-in buttons) multitouch slate is doomed to be just a crap geek product these days. I've compared my DS, Wii, Playstation, older consoles, and even a LeapFrog console to my iTouch and iPad and they are just pathetic. The games are expensive and frequently crap (especially children's games), play is disconnected and artificial, and in general they just pale compared to the iPad and often even compared to the iTouch (good for casual games, not so good for highly detailed stuff). The exception I'd say is stuff involving the Wii Fit and maybe some of the camera based games. I think for the same reason that people love the Wii they love good touch screen games. It just pulls you right in and the learning curve is much less. I don't bother playing my console or PC games much but I not only play iTouch/iPad games but I constantly spend money on them. Certain types of games would feel more natural, at least for older gamers, with analog sticks and buttons though and I think that is where a good case that had well designed controls built-in could be a big seller. Given that Apple has provided a roadmap to standard USB and BT keyboard support I think it shouldn't be long before we see a case that can provide such controls by that method at least. I'd like to see Apple provide an official controller standard though. Android devices are also well positioned once they stop trying to be a laptop or a mobile phone and embrace the slate - something between the iPhone and the iPad in size with included, replaceable, game controls could be a winner.
Again, why is it so ugly? Why go through all the work of actually manufacturing something without making it good? The XO had the opposite problem (yes I own one) - it looked good (for it's target market) and was durable but it was so underpowered and crippled by Sugar that it sucked.
Wouldn't it be easier to add a keyboard and analog controls to an existing Android or iPhone device? This Pandora thing is about as geeky as they come. It's doomed to be a geek toy and not much more. I'd rather play any number of games available for the iPhone/iPad or even write my own but of course that totally forgoes the use of an ugly poorly designed device so it isn't the geek way.
Some retailers don't accept pre-paid cards. I haven't tried with Apple so I can't tell you if they do or not. You'll probably run into other issues if trying to buy many pre-paid Visa cards. That'd seem to be a pretty good money laundering scheme. Sounds as if they aren't controlled yet they very well may be soon. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stored-value_card
Yeah I hate when those bastards store my information and make it so I can easily return things, reprint receipts, and all those dastardly things. Personally I love when businesses do a good job of tracking my information for me. Go to customer service and swipe my card and bam they can print out the receipt that got cola spilled on it so that I can return my stereo that is bugging out but still under warranty. Personally I never delete any information customers give me. It's pretty damn secure but I sure as hell don't delete it. How are you going to improve the customer experience if you don't know anything about the customer. People are so paranoid. Complain about crap security not data storage.
It might not hurt Apple but it'd hurt Apple's customers. Again the geeks don't understand a company that actually bothers to try to offer it's customers a good experience. Customers aren't going to be well served by being unable to have a fair chance to buy the product at the same price everybody else does and instead have to buy it at three times the retail price on ebay. Given that the US lacks any decent consumer protection laws it's nice that at least the manufacturer is looking out for it's customers. And what a bunch of a-holes to give the lady a free iPad to boot - how dare they make a gesture of kindness knowing full well it'd be reported in the press.
You pick up a megaphone and scream out your 'private' message to everyone in the neighborhood and if I write it down it's a crime? Anything collected by passively listening on public airwaves is by definition not private. If you want privacy and didn't use encryption then you're an idiot. It's kind of like a Starlet that publicly wears short skirts and no panties complaining because somebody took a photo of her bare ass. Completely different than somebody hiding a camera in their home. Don't they have a reasonable definition of privacy?
A crappy browser that makes you look at crappy Flash? Guess we can see that Google lacks the balls to stand up for standards and a high-quality user experience. We'll never kill these crappy products if we keep catering to the morons that use them. Might as well shove IE5 on there so THOSE people don't have to update their websites either. Afterall a lot of Intranet stuff still is designed exclusively for IE5 - somebody might find IE5 a useful feature.
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It really doesn't take a lot of time to restore a drive if all it did was stop working. You replace the part and plug it back in.
Dirt cheap is of little use if they aren't reliable. The problem is in the drive to fit more data in the same space at a dirt cheap price that the drives have become very unreliable. How many backups can you REALLY keep if you have terabytes of data? Is it really cost effective to do so? Is it still dirt cheap?
If not actually doing the recovery themselves then at minimum drive manufacturers should make it easier to order a specific drive or replacement parts for it. It's ridiculous for the same model number to be very different based on what day of the week it was made and which factory made it with no way to tell the difference.
The really disgusting thing IMO is that major governments haven't done much more than hold blame game hearings. This is really a pretty major problem and we haven't brought the full power of even the US to bear on the problem. We can send a man to the moon but not cap a damn well? There isn't a scientist or engineer in the entire country with an idea of how to fix this? Instead of pointing fingers and posturing we should be pulling in all possible suggestions, evaluating them in order of safety and likelihood to work, and trying them one by one. While one is being tried be getting the next effort ready.
And for gawd sakes when we fix it then invest R&D in undersea construction and living. That is what basic research is good for - coming up with results to problems you didn't know you'd have.
Usually a lot of it is compressed. I often use a filesystem type that is compressed for these. Might squeeze a bit out by compressing the whole thing but it usually isn't a big issue.
Maybe but that's how real people use email. Try asking the average Joe to use an anonymous FTP dropbox to send you a file. Yeah it's not going to happen without a lot of pain and effort. Even for developers it's often easier to have systems send an email rather than doing 'better' things. Or like myself they do it the better way and then send an email too as a backup system. You can never have to much redundancy when it comes to data.
Email is a suck set of protocols left over from the days of the dinosaurs but most people have learned to use it reasonably well. What they need to do is re-engineer email to work the way real people want to use it. I can't believe anybody really likes the internals of how email works anyway. I've set up a more than a few mail servers and it isn't pretty; which is why now I host my email on Google Apps.
Why would you read all your email? Most of it is there in case there is a problem so I can do a search, find all the records, and pull up the data. Also systems, and other people, email me a lot of non-text data. Just because you live in 1995 doesn't mean everybody does.
Frequently virtual machine images. Sometimes big chunks of data by themselves but I like to store the data with all the tools needed to work with it.
Any brand has the occasional lemon but overall WD is decent. People expect unrealistic things from hard drives too. You're talking about a device extremely sensitive to heat, moisture, vibration, and magnetism at the least and people want to cram 2TB of priceless family photos and their thesis paper into a $50 device without making backups. Yeah that's a recipe for disaster. I know - I've made the same mistake and paid for it. Lately I've been using WD Caviar Black 1TB w/ 64MB cache drives in a Drobo Elite and they've been doing pretty well but I expect to lose a couple of them per year under the stress of being in a server. Certain files I keep in RAID5 on Corsair Nova SSD drives and I use the same drives in my laptops and they've done pretty well. And of course everything is backed up to a NAS drive of which I use both WD My Book World Edition II - 2 TB (2 x 1 TB in RAID1) and Drobo FS. Previously I had used a couple cheaper NAS and Firewire/USB/eSATA drives for backup but all of them died. One happened to die at the same time the main drive died which was unpleasant - both were about six months old. I think hard drive manufacturers should have to include free data restoration for the life of the warranty. The main expense of data restoration is getting exact matching parts for your drive so the manufacturer could do it MUCH cheaper and easier than anyone else. Wouldn't hurt to have a drive stop working completely, unless a jumper is switched, when it senses itself dying so it won't self destruct further. Of course if I got to pick I'd like to see standard sized PC and laptop drives come w/ two physically separate drives and RAID 1 so the drive could sense death and go into a read-only recovery mode. Data is way more valuable than hardware so every possible effort should be made to make data possible to recover. 1TB for $150 is fine with me - instead of offering me 2TB for the same price give me the built-in RAID1.
Do you use your Internet to telecommute, stream (legal Netflix) movies, for VoIP, etc? I get more than 15GB of email a month.
I just want the right to compete with the carriers. I'll pay my portion to run fiber through my neighborhood and to my home and a monthly access fee if my neighbors will. Most of my data stays within the neighborhood anyway as it goes between my home and office. It already costs a small fortune ($1000+/mo on top of $1000's to install) for our 7Mb fiber line to the office anyway so why not shell out a little more for decent bandwidth and no stupid rules. Have been considering setting up a good wifi mesh, with free public access, on my own dime around my neighborhood anyway but fiber would be cool too. I use Roku for Netflix's streaming movies so I also suspect a lot of their limits are imposed more to stop competition than anything else.
That's retarded. I download single files larger than 50GB.
Anyone without backups today is crazy. I switched my laptops to SSD and all other systems are at least RAID 1, all backup to NAS (that is again RAID), and critical data gets backed up remotely. If we didn't have such crappy bandwidth here in the US I'd say everything should be remotely backed up (encrypted and saved to the cloud). I think it's only a matter of time before the average home has it's own cloud server. Something that securely stores and backs up data both locally and remotely as well as offering additional processing power to mobile devices (laptop, tablet, phone) on demand. My local disk is really little more than a data cache to enable faster access and occasionally leaving the network. Already becoming reality in many businesses although it's still a rough do-it-yourself solution to a large degree.
So unimaginative. With the same amount of effort you could create a successful business. Crime really doesn't make sense for the most part. The easiest way to get private information from people is to offer them free, or cheap, stuff. Amazing what people will tell you out of greed. No stealing information, no breaking in, etc. Just let people tell you for themselves.
There is no real legal right to privacy, in the US at least, and IMO that is a good thing. There is nothing about you or me that is very unique and worth hiding. For the mere issue of people being embarrassed by their own actions or existence it is not worth removing all the great uses of collected data. Obviously collecting publicly exposed data is different than invading a user's personal space. If I take a photo of someone on the street it's okay. If I sneak into their bedroom it's not. If I pick up their unencrypted data it's okay. If I break into their network it's not. If I record everything a user is publishing about themselves when they visit my website it's okay. If I use a security hole to install a keylogger it's not. It's a pretty obvious line. The more data people will expose the better services they will get. For example by collecting data from all visitors to my website I can analyze what users from a given region during a given time of the year are most likely to be looking for. If I pull the weather information for users based on their location I can go further and suggest products based on the recent weather. If it's unseasonable cool this year the system can say "Hey usually I'd suggest swimsuits but it's still cool this year so I'll suggest long sleeved tees." Consumers love that kind of service but it happens because we collect and analyze data about all our customers. In today's paranoid environment with people screaming about privacy and copyright could services such as Google even have been created? I think they'd quickly be sued out of existence. Innovation should not be a victim of frightened idiots. I think it's completely stupid that we don't have a national id. For example I've been fighting with the IRS for years now because either they made a typo at some point or someone stole my identity (but only for taxes?) and used my SSN. I've jumped through hoop after hoop trying to prove I'm really me. Last year I finally got them to except my letter from the Social Security office that I am me and they finally sent me a small portion of the tax refunds they owe me - this year I've again received nothing as they seem to again be in doubt if I'm really me. I haven't moved, they can call my mother, I have a driver's license, etc but none of that helps. They should require taking unique identification, fingerprints and DNA at least, when issuing a SSN and forever after be able to verify who you are. I'd go as far as issuing everybody a unique mailing address, phone number, and email address with their unique id so they'd have a known point of contact for life. All other endorsements such as credit cards, drivers license, insurance, etc should just be data attached to your unique id.
You'd need a vending permit but not a food license unless you are preparing fresh food.
Occasionally tactile controls would be nice though. Dunno why everyone and their dog creates a lame knockoff of one of about half a dozen boring case designs when it'd be easy to design one with cool features like a built-in keyboard or game controls or even a web cam. I designed one for iTouch/iPhone, for my own use, that builds in a barcode scanner.
iTouch/iPad - no expensive contract. You can jailbreak it for free by downloading an app that takes no clicks, keypresses, or other forms of thought and about 10 seconds to run. Or you can pay to be a developer. And you can run thousands of very nice apps without doing either for the huge price of ~$0-$10 each (I'd say the average is around $3.). Could have hardware buttons if anyone felt the need to actually add them. I wouldn't mind a fast snap on case that added them but can't say I ever really feel the need. I didn't see a price for the Pandora - cheap could be a valid claim. Why did they make it so darn ugly though? And it looks doomed to break easily with the clam shell design and so many ports and such. Honestly I think anything that isn't a clean (minimal built-in buttons) multitouch slate is doomed to be just a crap geek product these days. I've compared my DS, Wii, Playstation, older consoles, and even a LeapFrog console to my iTouch and iPad and they are just pathetic. The games are expensive and frequently crap (especially children's games), play is disconnected and artificial, and in general they just pale compared to the iPad and often even compared to the iTouch (good for casual games, not so good for highly detailed stuff). The exception I'd say is stuff involving the Wii Fit and maybe some of the camera based games. I think for the same reason that people love the Wii they love good touch screen games. It just pulls you right in and the learning curve is much less. I don't bother playing my console or PC games much but I not only play iTouch/iPad games but I constantly spend money on them. Certain types of games would feel more natural, at least for older gamers, with analog sticks and buttons though and I think that is where a good case that had well designed controls built-in could be a big seller. Given that Apple has provided a roadmap to standard USB and BT keyboard support I think it shouldn't be long before we see a case that can provide such controls by that method at least. I'd like to see Apple provide an official controller standard though. Android devices are also well positioned once they stop trying to be a laptop or a mobile phone and embrace the slate - something between the iPhone and the iPad in size with included, replaceable, game controls could be a winner. Again, why is it so ugly? Why go through all the work of actually manufacturing something without making it good? The XO had the opposite problem (yes I own one) - it looked good (for it's target market) and was durable but it was so underpowered and crippled by Sugar that it sucked.
Wouldn't it be easier to add a keyboard and analog controls to an existing Android or iPhone device? This Pandora thing is about as geeky as they come. It's doomed to be a geek toy and not much more. I'd rather play any number of games available for the iPhone/iPad or even write my own but of course that totally forgoes the use of an ugly poorly designed device so it isn't the geek way.
I think we should have taken the Russian suggestion of nuking the sucker. I find it hard to believe a small nuke deep under the ocean would have a worse effect than millions of barrels of oil flooding into the ocean. http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/05/05/russian-advice-nuke-the-oil-spill-thatll-fix-it/
Some retailers don't accept pre-paid cards. I haven't tried with Apple so I can't tell you if they do or not. You'll probably run into other issues if trying to buy many pre-paid Visa cards. That'd seem to be a pretty good money laundering scheme. Sounds as if they aren't controlled yet they very well may be soon. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stored-value_card
Yeah I hate when those bastards store my information and make it so I can easily return things, reprint receipts, and all those dastardly things. Personally I love when businesses do a good job of tracking my information for me. Go to customer service and swipe my card and bam they can print out the receipt that got cola spilled on it so that I can return my stereo that is bugging out but still under warranty. Personally I never delete any information customers give me. It's pretty damn secure but I sure as hell don't delete it. How are you going to improve the customer experience if you don't know anything about the customer. People are so paranoid. Complain about crap security not data storage.
I have a candy machine - do I need a food license in my warehouse?
It might not hurt Apple but it'd hurt Apple's customers. Again the geeks don't understand a company that actually bothers to try to offer it's customers a good experience. Customers aren't going to be well served by being unable to have a fair chance to buy the product at the same price everybody else does and instead have to buy it at three times the retail price on ebay. Given that the US lacks any decent consumer protection laws it's nice that at least the manufacturer is looking out for it's customers. And what a bunch of a-holes to give the lady a free iPad to boot - how dare they make a gesture of kindness knowing full well it'd be reported in the press.
You pick up a megaphone and scream out your 'private' message to everyone in the neighborhood and if I write it down it's a crime? Anything collected by passively listening on public airwaves is by definition not private. If you want privacy and didn't use encryption then you're an idiot. It's kind of like a Starlet that publicly wears short skirts and no panties complaining because somebody took a photo of her bare ass. Completely different than somebody hiding a camera in their home. Don't they have a reasonable definition of privacy?
How can it be private if it was broadcast? Unless they were breaking wireless keys I don't see how there is a case at all.
A crappy browser that makes you look at crappy Flash? Guess we can see that Google lacks the balls to stand up for standards and a high-quality user experience. We'll never kill these crappy products if we keep catering to the morons that use them. Might as well shove IE5 on there so THOSE people don't have to update their websites either. Afterall a lot of Intranet stuff still is designed exclusively for IE5 - somebody might find IE5 a useful feature.