I'd go. My family would understand the need to do something for the greater good of humanity aspect of it and wish me well. I think people who have spouses and kids wouldn't go but single folk aren't tethered that way.
It would be a tremendous moment in history to be the person(s) who land there and start the first colony. Everyone of them will be going there and starting a process that ensures the continuation of our species by spreading it around. We would (in time) be safe from complete extinction due to some unforseen calamity here on earth. There would be other people arriving in future missions too. I think that going may mean never returning but it doesn't automatically equate to premature death or a boring life.
Who knows going one way may just be the layover for the eventual return trip 15 years later...
You are quite welcome! I wouldn't have written it if I didn't mean it and I sincerely hope the/. staff keeps up with accepting your submissions. They are the kind that got my attention back when this all started.
I know this is slightly off topic so mod it as such if you must. It is really nice to this kind of article posted on/. This was the first one in a long time that I actually bookmarked. Great replies and a nice bunch of info in the related links. All in all this is the kind of stuff that I love to see on/. Thanks:)
I'd rather die in my 60's then to live 20 years longer in a nursing home.
Actually, the life extension benefits are much greater than that. It would be more like being a centenarian according to the calendar and still be the equivalent of a fully functional, physically capable and independant 60 year old. Not a bad trade off. Certainly better than the 80 year old who is stuck in the nursing home.
It seems every now and again/. finally runs an article on CR and its life extension benefits. Sorry, I didn't read the article(free reg, blah blah) Having tried several times in my life to completely switch over to CR from a mostly vegan well disciplined diet (no meats, just fish) I can tell you CR is no easy task by any stretch of the imagination. Not surprisingly, it is not for most people who cannot make the time to eat correctly in the first place. It is worth it though as you will feel like you've never felt before after about a month or two of adjustment.
There is plenty of research on the benefits of CR and the clinical studies going on about it at various US universities and their gerontology labs. Worth a read and the effort. Look up Lisa and Roy Walford or Calorie Restriction on Google to get started.
I have had the opportunity to read the script a few months ago. It should be a great flick as it was fun to read and really kept my attention throughout. When I read it, I was told who the leads where but I didn't know Woo was directing. Now I really can't wait to see it.
Actually I wasn't thinking to use it while attached to the ISS more like use ISS as a garage for an extensive overhaul. At some point tow it out to wherever we go with nuclear rocket projects like prometheus, release it nearby while there and snatch it on the way back. Even if hubble is 'dated' technology when that happens it will still be tremendously usefull.
350 miles up is much further than the X prize. As excited as I am for the Xprize competition and its implications it must be kept in perspective as to what it is. 62 miles can be brute forced rather easily, I'm not trying to trivialize the difficulty of the task mind you, but to 'win' the xprize you don't need to acheive orbital velocities. To catch up with ISS (150-200 miles) or Hubble (350 miles up) and at 17,500mph is considerably different. Xprize vehicles will certainly be an exciting beginning for 'space' tourism but compared to LEO operations it is the equivalent of millionaires finding a new version of bunjee jumping.
Actually, I think we should find a way to mount it on the ISS and hook it up there(yes, I do realize there is a huge difference in the operating orbital altitudes of both craft). I think the ISS is the closest thing we have to a garage up there at the moment so attaching it and parking it would not be a bad idea until a service mission, either publicly or privately funded, could be commisioned.
In time it could be refitted with newer gear or modified once again to do more tasks. It would be awesome if Hubble could be kept up there and useful. Considering how expensive it is per pound to get things like this up, it seems a waste to let it just come back down. Let it run all the way up to 2020 or pick it up with prometheus on the way to mars(or elsewhere) and do the repeairs inflight, on the way and you have a kick ass telescope for stellar cartography from there(wherever there is). There are a lot of options to explore on this front and plenty that haven't even been considered.
oh wait, I can think of a few reasons why this is actually cool. First, aparently a good chunk of thier users thing that aol is the internet. While it may have had that appearance in the beginning they are learning how to use the web. Not bad.
Second, it would be nice if all those folks could have a blog so they can spew whatever at whomever is listening. Again, not great but not bad.
Third, this might actually be the beginning of the end for all of those hideous personal websites that litter the web with popups, useless data, unexpected embedded midi's & audio, search engine pollution, broken links to other shitty pages filled with similar flotsam and those amateur looking boilerplate pages.
Here is the thing that this leaves me wondering about optical seti and ET lasers; wouldn't lasers be red shifted so far over by the time the light would actually arrive here that they would appear as microwaves instead of lasers thus negating the optical requirement? You should be able to pick that up with radio telescopes instead of optical one no?
Just curious. I don't know and I am not a physicist or astronomer. If someone could explain this to me I sure would appreciate it.
I know that the idea of trying to use this as a vlt type thing is kind of moot(not an astronomer just a hobbyist mind you) but it does provide some interesting possibilities.
Huge catalogs could be created and used for comparisons that could lead to additional comet discoveries for example. If the system is using gps it is possible to have some time sync though not to the hyper accurate clocks that vlts use. I think it would still be useful information, especially to the amateur astronomy crowd.
I wonder what mindpixel will have to say about this.
I love the work, the ideas, the sheer gall of the project, but damn, why is it everytime something interesting is added I have to wait days to see any of it?
hey I love that shit too so I have the site on my list of sites to check for an update. No sense in waiting for/. to post it so you know its there but can't see it because its/.'ed. I saw this post go up a few days ago. Carmack is pretty good about updating on sunday evening/monday morning so surf over there then.
Who knows... you may even be the first to post it to the/. submission queue...
Except that if the blue collar moves into the IT positions, there will be corresponding drop in wages because businesses will get skilled workers cheaper.
I saw this happen with CAD back in the early 90's for a bit. A bunch of schools offered CAD training and lots of people flooded into the CAD workforce. Correspondingly the wages dropped off; it appeared for a while that CAD had become 'just' a data entry position of sorts. After a while, many companies started to realize a draftsman with experience in the field who used CAD was more cost effective than someone who figured out the etch-a-sketch. Corresponingly the wages went back up over time.
I had a dual ppro 200 for a few years. That was a great machine and way ahead of its time compared to what was available. It fried up about a year ago. That was a sad day considering how much use I got out of it.
Having to walk 40 miles between planets a few feet across give a much better example of the size of the system.
yeah, walking that sure would leave an impression on a person, though, I think driving it would be a little less extreme and take a few hours less to accomplish...
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Your probably right.
There are ways to build a hab for mars that will simulate the correct gravity for people to live in.
I'd go. My family would understand the need to do something for the greater good of humanity aspect of it and wish me well. I think people who have spouses and kids wouldn't go but single folk aren't tethered that way.
It would be a tremendous moment in history to be the person(s) who land there and start the first colony. Everyone of them will be going there and starting a process that ensures the continuation of our species by spreading it around. We would (in time) be safe from complete extinction due to some unforseen calamity here on earth. There would be other people arriving in future missions too. I think that going may mean never returning but it doesn't automatically equate to premature death or a boring life.
Who knows going one way may just be the layover for the eventual return trip 15 years later...
Just curious... do you know why they opted not to use those kind of power cells?
You are quite welcome! I wouldn't have written it if I didn't mean it and I sincerely hope the /. staff keeps up with accepting your submissions. They are the kind that got my attention back when this all started.
Peace
I know this is slightly off topic so mod it as such if you must. It is really nice to this kind of article posted on /. This was the first one in a long time that I actually bookmarked. Great replies and a nice bunch of info in the related links. All in all this is the kind of stuff that I love to see on /. Thanks :)
btw. props to ctwxman for the nice submission!
Thanks for the link.
I think Walford will still continue on his path as it stands, from his perspective time is of the essence.
There is still plenty of research to be done on Sir2 and the only way to get the effect in humans at present is via cron.
I'd rather die in my 60's then to live 20 years longer in a nursing home.
Actually, the life extension benefits are much greater than that. It would be more like being a centenarian according to the calendar and still be the equivalent of a fully functional, physically capable and independant 60 year old. Not a bad trade off. Certainly better than the 80 year old who is stuck in the nursing home.
It seems every now and again /. finally runs an article on CR and its life extension benefits. Sorry, I didn't read the article(free reg, blah blah) Having tried several times in my life to completely switch over to CR from a mostly vegan well disciplined diet (no meats, just fish) I can tell you CR is no easy task by any stretch of the imagination. Not surprisingly, it is not for most people who cannot make the time to eat correctly in the first place. It is worth it though as you will feel like you've never felt before after about a month or two of adjustment.
There is plenty of research on the benefits of CR and the clinical studies going on about it at various US universities and their gerontology labs. Worth a read and the effort. Look up Lisa and Roy Walford or Calorie Restriction on Google to get started.
I have had the opportunity to read the script a few months ago. It should be a great flick as it was fun to read and really kept my attention throughout. When I read it, I was told who the leads where but I didn't know Woo was directing. Now I really can't wait to see it.
You'd think these days a person could digitally sign that or send a fax...
I hear you on the guarantee but it usually takes a few more years than that before that realization sets in.
that and they were in the service of thier gods.
Actually I wasn't thinking to use it while attached to the ISS more like use ISS as a garage for an extensive overhaul. At some point tow it out to wherever we go with nuclear rocket projects like prometheus, release it nearby while there and snatch it on the way back. Even if hubble is 'dated' technology when that happens it will still be tremendously usefull.
350 miles up is much further than the X prize. As excited as I am for the Xprize competition and its implications it must be kept in perspective as to what it is. 62 miles can be brute forced rather easily, I'm not trying to trivialize the difficulty of the task mind you, but to 'win' the xprize you don't need to acheive orbital velocities. To catch up with ISS (150-200 miles) or Hubble (350 miles up) and at 17,500mph is considerably different. Xprize vehicles will certainly be an exciting beginning for 'space' tourism but compared to LEO operations it is the equivalent of millionaires finding a new version of bunjee jumping.
Actually, I think we should find a way to mount it on the ISS and hook it up there(yes, I do realize there is a huge difference in the operating orbital altitudes of both craft). I think the ISS is the closest thing we have to a garage up there at the moment so attaching it and parking it would not be a bad idea until a service mission, either publicly or privately funded, could be commisioned.
In time it could be refitted with newer gear or modified once again to do more tasks. It would be awesome if Hubble could be kept up there and useful. Considering how expensive it is per pound to get things like this up, it seems a waste to let it just come back down. Let it run all the way up to 2020 or pick it up with prometheus on the way to mars(or elsewhere) and do the repeairs inflight, on the way and you have a kick ass telescope for stellar cartography from there(wherever there is). There are a lot of options to explore on this front and plenty that haven't even been considered.
so aol has discovered the blog...bfd.
oh wait, I can think of a few reasons why this is actually cool. First, aparently a good chunk of thier users thing that aol is the internet. While it may have had that appearance in the beginning they are learning how to use the web. Not bad.
Second, it would be nice if all those folks could have a blog so they can spew whatever at whomever is listening. Again, not great but not bad.
Third, this might actually be the beginning of the end for all of those hideous personal websites that litter the web with popups, useless data, unexpected embedded midi's & audio, search engine pollution, broken links to other shitty pages filled with similar flotsam and those amateur looking boilerplate pages.
not bad.
Here is the thing that this leaves me wondering about optical seti and ET lasers; wouldn't lasers be red shifted so far over by the time the light would actually arrive here that they would appear as microwaves instead of lasers thus negating the optical requirement? You should be able to pick that up with radio telescopes instead of optical one no?
Just curious. I don't know and I am not a physicist or astronomer. If someone could explain this to me I sure would appreciate it.
I know that the idea of trying to use this as a vlt type thing is kind of moot(not an astronomer just a hobbyist mind you) but it does provide some interesting possibilities.
Huge catalogs could be created and used for comparisons that could lead to additional comet discoveries for example. If the system is using gps it is possible to have some time sync though not to the hyper accurate clocks that vlts use. I think it would still be useful information, especially to the amateur astronomy crowd.
I wonder what mindpixel will have to say about this.
I love the work, the ideas, the sheer gall of the project, but damn, why is it everytime something interesting is added I have to wait days to see any of it?
/. to post it so you know its there but can't see it because its /.'ed. I saw this post go up a few days ago. Carmack is pretty good about updating on sunday evening/monday morning so surf over there then.
/. submission queue...
hey I love that shit too so I have the site on my list of sites to check for an update. No sense in waiting for
Who knows... you may even be the first to post it to the
Except that if the blue collar moves into the IT positions, there will be corresponding drop in wages because businesses will get skilled workers cheaper.
I saw this happen with CAD back in the early 90's for a bit. A bunch of schools offered CAD training and lots of people flooded into the CAD workforce. Correspondingly the wages dropped off; it appeared for a while that CAD had become 'just' a data entry position of sorts. After a while, many companies started to realize a draftsman with experience in the field who used CAD was more cost effective than someone who figured out the etch-a-sketch. Corresponingly the wages went back up over time.
I had a dual ppro 200 for a few years. That was a great machine and way ahead of its time compared to what was available. It fried up about a year ago. That was a sad day considering how much use I got out of it.
Holy S@#$! Thats too funny! I thought you were kidding but I clicked the link and nearly had my tea come out my nose when the page came up.
hmm... I didn't see a link or even a mention of his cd anywhere... nice try though ;)
I do agree that it damages his stance regardless.
BOOBS IN SPAAAAACE!!!!!!!!!!!
please tell me you were thinking history of the world part II
Having to walk 40 miles between planets a few feet across give a much better example of the size of the system.
yeah, walking that sure would leave an impression on a person, though, I think driving it would be a little less extreme and take a few hours less to accomplish...