It seems a bit unfair to me to just mention Linus Torvalds in that context: Even before he wrote the Linux kernel, there were many software packages available freely already, from many areas - operating systems (BSD), window systems (X), compilers (gcc), editors (emacs) and much much more. All made by people who gave their software available freely, and who remain unsung.
A "license" gives you some (more or less useful) liberties for what you pay. In contrast, the German government forces this fee on everyone that merely owns a radio, TV or "internet-capable computer" (which includes things like cell phones!). It doesn't matter if you want to actually access the contents, the mere possibility of doing so is enough for them to ask the money.
For me, a modern solution would include some settop-box for everyone that wants to access their contents, and they get a card to access it if wanted.
Comparably, I could put up the software I'm writing on the internet, and ask money from everyone that _could in theory_ download it.
sorry to bust your bubble, but have you heared anyone actually working on NetBSD say it's dying? It's thriving more than ever, and just a few people that can't get things their way propose its death. If those few people could get over their desire to get into "politics", this whole discussion would not exist.
NetBSD does live, it will live, but it also needs people to do the work, not just talk. Join in!
can we get a native binary of this software (picasa, not wine), please? or even better: source code, so I can built it on my own on my sparc running NetBSD...
NetBSD runs on more than 50 hardware platforms, all compiled from a single source tree, and I think many of them can be considered "old": Commodore Amiga, Atari ST/TT, VAX, Sun SPARCs, and many other MIPS, ARM and PowerPC based machines (besides the not-so-old i386 and AMD64/Opteron PCs, UltraSPARC etc.).Check it out!
I've based my own harddisk image cloning software (g4u) on NetBSD, and I didn't regret it so far. I've started with NetBSD 1.4 some 5 years ago, and I'm still very happy with it. Latest versions of g4u are based on NetBSD-current for getting support for new hardware earlier, but that may not be required for your type of application.
In general, I can only recommend NetBSD, as it not only comes as a rock solid operating system in itself, but as it supports many different platforms and crosscompiling of kernel, userland and (if needed) X11, so migrating to a different hardware platform is not a problem or a showstopper long-term.
The problem sounds vaguely familiar - often I want to try new things (programming languages, tools,...), but lack the right project to start going.
Maybe have a look at some open source projects (http://www.freshmeat.net/http://www.advogato.org/ etc. have some lists), look at the code and read it, read the mailing lists to get into the development process, start making changes for things, try getting review of them, submit code and maybe also documentation (actually, documenting things that you find undocumented and that you understand may be a good first step before going to coding), etc.
For some ideas from an operating systems project, see:
Check out this IPv6 deployment guide for a number of solutions how to save money with freely available software (NetBSD, Linux,...) in the transition to IPv6.
``The Canadian Special Olympics 2000 Winter Games used several NetBSD servers to provide connectivity, file storage, and backup. At the main office, a NetBSD server provided shared and secure Internet dial service for up to 20 machines, as well as file storage and automated off-site backups from June 1999. As the Games approached, several other NetBSD servers were set up on lan's at the various event venues to provide Internet service for event officials, the media, and the athletes. These servers allow officials to post results to the web site immediately after the results are finalized, media to communicate stories and results to their offices, and athletes to send email back home and check out the results.
The CSO 2000 Winter Games ran from January 25th to January 29th, 2000 in Ottawa, Ontario. ''
[source]
NetBSD is a free, secure, and highly portable Unix-like Open Source operating system available for many platforms, from 64-bit Opteron machines and desktop systems to handheld and embedded devices. Its clean design and advanced features make it excellent in both production and research environments, and it is user-supported with complete source. Many applications are easily available through The NetBSD Packages Collection.
Beta is there to test a product and with Quality Assurance in place, errors get found and fed back to development, leading to more design and implementation steps, which then go back to QA, which find more errors ad nauseam.
Oh, and if it's not QA that comes up with a problem, then (depending on what you do) the security team raises some concerns, and it's back to the drawing board again.
Sometimes I wonder what there are still any releases...
Seeing you talk about mixing 16(?!) and 32bit code, you're probably on a completely different problem set, but maybe this article helps a bit understanding some other problems involved in portability:
``As an introduction the properties of a "hardware platform" are described, and it's showen that getting the same behaviour of software on different hardware platforms isn't "portability". After repeating the tasks of an operating system, it is explained what an operating system needs to provide in the lower layers to be portable. The article ends with a case study of the NetBSD operating system.''
The University of Regensburg, Germany (and some others in.de, e.g. Konstanz) offer "Information Science" which may be pretty close to what you want. It contains scanning and parsing, information retrieval, information analysis on syntactical, semantical and pragmatical level as well as associated courses. I'm writing my PhD there right now and don't regret it.
Feel free to mail me for more information!
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It seems a bit unfair to me to just mention Linus Torvalds in that context: Even before he wrote the Linux kernel, there were many software packages available freely already, from many areas - operating systems (BSD), window systems (X), compilers (gcc), editors (emacs) and much much more. All made by people who gave their software available freely, and who remain unsung.
- Hubert
> What do I get by installing this that I can't get in a 6.1
> FreeBSD installation?
Support for ~50 hardware platforms.
- Hubert
I'd prefer to have a choice IF I want to pay or not.
I'm not given this choice and am forced to pay!
- Hubert
A "license" gives you some (more or less useful) liberties for what you pay. In contrast, the German government forces this fee on everyone that merely owns a radio, TV or "internet-capable computer" (which includes things like cell phones!). It doesn't matter if you want to actually access the contents, the mere possibility of doing so is enough for them to ask the money.
:-(
For me, a modern solution would include some settop-box for everyone that wants to access their contents, and they get a card to access it if wanted.
Comparably, I could put up the software I'm writing on the internet, and ask money from everyone that _could in theory_ download it.
This whole thing is hillarious!
- Hubert
sorry to bust your bubble, but have you heared anyone actually working on NetBSD say it's dying? It's thriving more than ever, and just a few people that can't get things their way propose its death. If those few people could get over their desire to get into "politics", this whole discussion would not exist.
NetBSD does live, it will live,
but it also needs people to do the work, not just talk.
Join in!
- Hubert
You can run Irix binaries on NetBSD/sgimips. See http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2002/08/08/irix.ht ml for more information, and check out the NetBSD port's page at http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/sgimips/.
can we get a native binary of this software (picasa, not wine), please? or even better: source code, so I can built it on my own on my sparc running NetBSD...
wine... shwine... yuck!
- Hubert
that's all I'd add,
:)
in addition to what was already said.
Not really sysadmin-related.
(gqmpeg's the world's finest mp3 player
- Hubert
NetBSD runs on more than 50 hardware platforms, all compiled from a single source tree, and I think many of them can be considered "old": Commodore Amiga, Atari ST/TT, VAX, Sun SPARCs, and many other MIPS, ARM and PowerPC based machines (besides the not-so-old i386 and AMD64/Opteron PCs, UltraSPARC etc.).Check it out!
I'm looking forward to use this with NetBSD's CGD.
- Hubert
In general, I can only recommend NetBSD, as it not only comes as a rock solid operating system in itself, but as it supports many different platforms and crosscompiling of kernel, userland and (if needed) X11, so migrating to a different hardware platform is not a problem or a showstopper long-term.
Check it out!
- Hubert
ISTR there used to be a "BSD" in the sections list on the left, is that gone or just hidden?
- Hubert
The problem sounds vaguely familiar - often I want to try new things (programming languages, tools, ...), but lack the right project to start going.
Maybe have a look at some open source projects (http://www.freshmeat.net/ http://www.advogato.org/ etc. have some lists), look at the code and read it, read the mailing lists to get into the development process, start making changes for things, try getting review of them, submit code and maybe also documentation (actually, documenting things that you find undocumented and that you understand may be a good first step before going to coding), etc.
For some ideas from an operating systems project, see:
http://www.netbsd.org/contrib/projects.html
http://www.netbsd.org/Gnats/
- Hubert
Check out this IPv6 deployment guide for a number of solutions how to save money with freely available software (NetBSD, Linux, ...) in the transition to IPv6.
The CSO 2000 Winter Games ran from January 25th to January 29th, 2000 in Ottawa, Ontario. '' [source]
NetBSD is a free, secure, and highly portable Unix-like Open Source operating system available for many platforms, from 64-bit Opteron machines and desktop systems to handheld and embedded devices. Its clean design and advanced features make it excellent in both production and research environments, and it is user-supported with complete source. Many applications are easily available through The NetBSD Packages Collection.
Learn more at www.NetBSD.org.
Beta is there to test a product and with Quality Assurance in place, errors get found and fed back to development, leading to more design and implementation steps, which then go back to QA, which find more errors ad nauseam.
...
Oh, and if it's not QA that comes up with a problem, then (depending on what you do) the security team raises some concerns, and it's back to the drawing board again.
Sometimes I wonder what there are still any releases
... natural selection.
Well, so let your compiler pick the right data types, recompile, and be happy on your new platform, and achieve eternal happyness.
:)
Trying to remain binary compatible between all those platforms is just too much of a PITA.
``As an introduction the properties of a "hardware platform" are described, and it's showen that getting the same behaviour of software on different hardware platforms isn't "portability". After repeating the tasks of an operating system, it is explained what an operating system needs to provide in the lower layers to be portable. The article ends with a case study of the NetBSD operating system.''
Full article here.
The University of Regensburg, Germany (and some others in .de, e.g. Konstanz) offer "Information Science" which may be pretty close to what you want. It contains scanning and parsing, information retrieval, information analysis on syntactical, semantical and pragmatical level as well as associated courses. I'm writing my PhD there right now and don't regret it.
Feel free to mail me for more information!
IIRC gxemul can emulate a PS2...
http://gavare.se/gxemul/
- Hubert
AKA "vi"
by Don Knuth
it's not for the faint at heart though,
but it will teach you WAYS more than any of those
"programming for beginners" courses and books.
No bump to 512MB on-board AGAIN, ... get an iBook. Great...
:(
so I either have to get a really expensive 1GB module if I want >=1GB, or
seems Apple makes it really hard to want their "higher end" line.
- Hubert (deciding about iBook soonish)
- Hubert