I'm posting this here with the Opera beta running under NetBSD 1.5_ALPHA2/i386. You'll need a linux libjpeg, i've placed a package for it at www.feyrer.de/Misc/suse_libjpeg.jpeg, a binary package is available at www.feyrer.de/Misc/suse_libjpeg-6.4.tgz. Now if I could get through to opera's homepage, I'd tell them that their tool rocks.:) - Hubert
``Of course it runs NetBSD!''
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In case you have an MIPS based Cobald Qube or Raq around and don't want to run a dead-old L*nux system, have a look at
http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/cobalt/.
FYI, the NetBSD Packages Collection (which is derived from the FreeBSD ports collection) runs
not only on NetBSD, but also on Solaris and Linux.
I don't think we have may users in Linux-land by now, but why not try & make some feedback?:)
Folks on tech-pkg@netbsd.org should be able to help you out...
FYI: pkgsrc people of the NetBSD project are
participating in the "unified packaging system"
project, and given that NetBSD's pkgsrc is already
being used on Solaris and Linux (besides NetBSD:)
this may set a good direction.
Wrong. NetBSD's been plain 64bit on the alpha port since it's first day, and will be so on other 64bit capable hardware as soon as working compilers are available.
"O2" isn't a chip btw, but a machine's name. The SGI O2 uses some MIPS R5000 CPU.
I can only comment on NetBSD, which I use on a P133 at home, and it works fine. Even with a load of >5 (resulting from compile jobs,...), there is no jumping of the pointer, the modem still runs fine, and when I once borrowed a CD writer, it ran fine with these things running, too.
% bc -l ib=16 ob=10 x=123456789ABCDF <- no "E" x * F * 1 111111111111111 x * F * 2 222222222222222 ... x * F * 9 999999999999999 x * F * A AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA ... x * F * E EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE x * F * F FFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
soft updates have nothing to do with sync/async writing of data, it's rather a method to prevent writing meta data. Please check the mount(1) manpage for more information, before posting. - Hubert
Serious, if anyone has an unused raq or qube that he would want to donate to the NetBSD project, I'd be happy to take it. Main purpose would be to make third party software available.
Contact me via mail if you're interrested (see www.feyrer.de for a contact address!:)
Microsoft discontinued NT quite some time ago on the MIPS platform, so no go for either NT or Win2k there.
For installation, the Cobalt machines come pre-installed, and the only thing you need to do is to enter their IP-number via the front panel. You do all the rest via some web-gui.
For installing "any flavor of linux": you won't find many distros for MIPS, and if you do, they will probably lack device drivers - AFAIK Cobalt did not make them public.
For "monitor", IIRC some machines come with a VGA port, others don't. Why, though, if they all have ethernet. Oh, and I'm not sure about sound either - so much for MP3. 8-)
re: Merced: where can I/anyone buy this? NetBSD's not targetting the overhead projectors of any marketing groups as a supported platform (yet:-)
re: S/390: As far as I understand, Linux doesn't run on the plain hardware either. It just runs as some virtual machine. Sorta boring to need one OS to emulate some other OS on top of it.
re: size of userbase: see the comment on windows user numbers and the (unrelated) comment on flies somewhere else.:)
There's already a project about doing "virtual" lectures, the "Virtuelle Hochschule Bayern" (Virtual University Bavaria, see www.vhb.org). They start this semester (which started today, on march 15th 2000), and offer some first courses for online teaching based on HTML and PDF with assistance given via private mail, mailing lists and some chat systems.
It may be interresting for anyone watching eagerly that the OpenBSD branch was opened right after Bill Sommerfeld committed his initial work to the NetBSD source tree - coincidence?
The branch still seems to be as empty as when it was created, though. For anyone wanting to find some code, see http://www.netbsd.org/Changes/#i386smp2.
Linux is claimed to run on quite a number of platforms, but if it actually does so depends a great deal on how you define "run", and what you expect by "Linux" there.
All the official NetBSD ports do support a set of operations - things like abstract interfaces for hardware[1], drivers, networking (IP, IPv6, httpd, etc.), a consistend userland, and many others.
All this from one (1) source code.
Linux? Where do I get sources for the userland? Where do I get sources for my Intel kernel? Where do I get sources for my OS/390 kernel? Where do I get sources for my Palm kernel? Where do I wont to go today?:)
- Hubert
[1] I was really shocked when I saw some time ago on Freshmeat that there seem to be hardware dependent date(1) commands that can set the system time on Intel *and* sparc systems... sheesh!
And with whom are "you" in allegiance? AFAICT, BSD code runs on many other Unix systems. Unfortunately, this is not the case for a lot of software developed on Linux systems.
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I'm posting this here with the Opera beta running under NetBSD 1.5_ALPHA2/i386. You'll need a linux libjpeg, i've placed a package for it at www.feyrer.de/Misc/suse_libjpeg.jpeg, a binary package is available at www.feyrer.de/Misc/suse_libjpeg-6.4.tgz. Now if I could get through to opera's homepage, I'd tell them that their tool rocks. :) - Hubert
- Hubert
Probably the most complete list of hardware running NetBSD besides Todd's collection is Herb's NetBSD build lab.
- Hubert
FYI, the NetBSD Packages Collection (which is derived from the FreeBSD ports collection) runs :)
not only on NetBSD, but also on Solaris and Linux.
I don't think we have may users in Linux-land by now, but why not try & make some feedback?
Folks on tech-pkg@netbsd.org should be able to help you out...
- Hubert
FYI: pkgsrc people of the NetBSD project are :)
participating in the "unified packaging system"
project, and given that NetBSD's pkgsrc is already
being used on Solaris and Linux (besides NetBSD
this may set a good direction.
- Hubert
I guess if you'd check history, you would discover
that the BSD ports collection was there before
rpm of dpkg.
- Hubert
Adjust your mind - s/linux/windows/, and think again!
- Hubert
Wrong.
NetBSD's been plain 64bit on the alpha port since
it's first day, and will be so on other 64bit capable hardware as soon as working compilers
are available.
"O2" isn't a chip btw, but a machine's name. The SGI O2 uses some MIPS R5000 CPU.
- Hubert
I can only comment on NetBSD, which I use on a ...), there
P133 at home, and it works fine. Even with a load
of >5 (resulting from compile jobs,
is no jumping of the pointer, the modem still
runs fine, and when I once borrowed a CD writer,
it ran fine with these things running, too.
- Hubert
funny... this also works with hex numbers:
% bc -l
ib=16
ob=10
x=123456789ABCDF <- no "E"
x * F * 1
111111111111111
x * F * 2
222222222222222
...
x * F * 9
999999999999999
x * F * A
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
...
x * F * E
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
x * F * F
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
- Hubert
11 (and not even running OpenBSD :)
- Hubert
soft updates have nothing to do with sync/async writing of data, it's rather a method to prevent writing meta data. Please check the mount(1) manpage for more information, before posting. - Hubert
Can you recompile the whole OS or just the kernel from scratch? How about that new 2.4 kernel that'll be out soon, and that you sure want to use?
- Hubert
unused qube? where? sendme! :-)
:)
Serious, if anyone has an unused raq or qube that he would want to donate to the NetBSD project, I'd be happy to take it. Main purpose would be to make third party software available.
Contact me via mail if you're interrested (see www.feyrer.de for a contact address!
- Hubert
Microsoft discontinued NT quite some time ago on the MIPS platform, so no go for either NT or Win2k there.
For installation, the Cobalt machines come pre-installed, and the only thing you need to do is to enter their IP-number via the front panel. You do all the rest via some web-gui.
For installing "any flavor of linux": you won't find many distros for MIPS, and if you do, they will probably lack device drivers - AFAIK Cobalt did not make them public.
For "monitor", IIRC some machines come with a VGA port, others don't. Why, though, if they all have ethernet. Oh, and I'm not sure about sound either - so much for MP3. 8-)
- Hubert
re: Merced: where can I/anyone buy this? :-)
:)
NetBSD's not targetting the overhead
projectors of any marketing groups
as a supported platform (yet
re: S/390: As far as I understand, Linux doesn't
run on the plain hardware either. It
just runs as some virtual machine.
Sorta boring to need one OS to emulate
some other OS on top of it.
re: size of userbase: see the comment on windows
user numbers and the (unrelated)
comment on flies somewhere else.
- Hubert
Whether or not OpenBSD/cobalt will happen soon depends a great deal on how much bandwidth they get downloading the NetBSD code. 8-)
- Hubert
Oink :-)
:-)
NetBSD here, on i386, arm32, sparc.
Anyone want to give me an alpha?
- Hubert
There's already a project about doing "virtual"
lectures, the "Virtuelle Hochschule Bayern"
(Virtual University Bavaria, see www.vhb.org).
They start this semester (which started today, on
march 15th 2000), and offer some first courses
for online teaching based on HTML and PDF with
assistance given via private mail, mailing lists
and some chat systems.
Maybe have a look, it's german language, though.
- Hubert
AFAIK all three BSDs use Darren Reed's IPfilter.
Some Links:
* IP Filter Based Firewalls HOWTO
-> http://www.obfuscation.org/ipf/ipf-howto.txt
* IPfilter
-> http://coombs.anu.edu.au/ipfilter/
- Hubert
It may be interresting for anyone watching eagerly that the OpenBSD branch was opened right after Bill Sommerfeld committed his initial work to the NetBSD source tree - coincidence?
The branch still seems to be as empty as when it was created, though. For anyone wanting to find some code, see http://www.netbsd.org/Changes/#i386smp2.
- Hubert
Linux is claimed to run on quite a number of platforms, but if it actually does so depends
:)
...
a great deal on how you define "run", and what you expect by "Linux" there.
All the official NetBSD ports do support a set of operations - things like abstract interfaces for hardware[1], drivers, networking (IP, IPv6, httpd, etc.), a consistend userland, and many others.
All this from one (1) source code.
Linux? Where do I get sources for the userland?
Where do I get sources for my Intel kernel?
Where do I get sources for my OS/390 kernel?
Where do I get sources for my Palm kernel?
Where do I wont to go today?
- Hubert
[1] I was really shocked when I saw some time ago
on Freshmeat that there seem to be hardware
dependent date(1) commands that can set the
system time on Intel *and* sparc systems
sheesh!
shouldn't be too hard getting ssh running
.../pkgsrc/security/ssh
on NetBSD:
grab pkgsrc
cd
make install
echo done
(see ftp://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/packages/README for some more info)
- Hubert
And with whom are "you" in allegiance?
AFAICT, BSD code runs on many other Unix systems.
Unfortunately, this is not the case for a lot of
software developed on Linux systems.
- Hubert