Does anyone have a license agreement from a Sony game that specifically allows the "copy in memory"? I've certainly never seen that on other software license agreements.
I don't know about UK law, but you haven't seen it on American software because US copyright law automatically grants that right to the owner of a legitimate copy. See my earlier comment.
By that argument, proxy servers and browser caches are illegal too.
By this logic, then, we're not even allowed to make a physical backup CD of software we legally bought, since there will be a copy in memory whenever it's run on the computer/console/etc.
This precedent cannot extend to the United States. See also my earlier comment.
The technical reason for the decision being based upon the fact that a game that is run without permission makes a copy of copyright material in memory, this copy is 'infringing' because it is an unauthorized copy argued Sony. Basically, this 'controversial' statement made it illegal to play games purchased from abroad.
Nice try, but unlike United Kingdom copyright law, United States copyright law would consider this a fair use of the copyrighted work. According to 17 USC 117:
Notwithstanding the provisions of section 106, it is not an infringement for the owner of a copy of a computer program to make or authorize the making of another copy or adaptation of that computer program provided: that such a new copy or adaptation is created as an essential step in the utilization of the computer program in conjunction with a machine and that it is used in no other manner
This paragraph was passed specifically to reject copyright owners' "Copying the program into RAM is infringing; therefore, EULAs are binding" argument.
Its not going to be a desktop but a console market that will bring unix gaming to the masses or make it viable. Since netbsd runs on damn near everything maybe that would be a better platform.
There are a ton of video games, and support for games on windows and that is not true on linux.
You can run thousands of games on Linux. Free software exists to run titles designed for NES, Game Boy, Sega Genesis, Super NES, and many more. Just get a dumper, hook it up to your cartridges, and you're off. (Or just pirate the ROMs.)
Winelib turns your Win app into a native *n?x app
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Linux will always be an unfriendly experience, driven by multiple customized and incompatible versions of WINE
Unless you build Wine into the game binary itself. Use winelib to port your app, and it will run natively on linux, bsd, and many other operating systems that implement the same Single UNIX Spec. From there, you can gradually reduce the number of win32 calls you make.
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I could undoubtably run some of these games through wine, but this really defeats the purpose if you want games written for linux.
Well, when you register your software, and the card asks you "what version of Windows do you use?" you can put Mandrake (or whatever). Eventually, publishers will get the message that Microsoft operating systems are not the only PC operating systems that their customers use, and they might consider releasing a native version of their software. (Use winelib in the early stages of porting; go fully cross-platform in later releases.)
I still think of my linux boxen as development platforms or servers, I don't play games on them, I program and do real work. Putting mere games on them would be demeaning to them!
I use my Linux boxes to play games because I use my Linux boxes to develop. Otherwise, how would I test the games I'm developing?
It effectively prohibits you from advertising your product in limited-space media such as a small print ad or the radio, as the acknowledgements required by each author's ad clause would fill up the allotted space or time for the ad.
You should expect to get code that you can basically do anything you want with it and being required to acknowledge the people who gave it to you is too much?
The copyright notice does this just fine, thank you very much. "Redistributions... must retain the above copyright notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer."
Redistributions of source code and documentation must retain the above copyright notice, this list of conditions and the
following disclaimer.
Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution.
GPL'd software doesn't contain an advertising clause, and yet Linus Torvalds still manages to get his name in the copyright notice of every copy of Linux® software out there.
Foreshadowing Emacs vs. vi? The first version of Emacs was a set of TECO macros. Vi was originally just a visual interface to ex, which was an extended version of ed.
this is incredibly useful especially for GNU developers who have made gnu reimplementations of these software. now they can get rid of some of BSD code in the GNU Tools
Wrong. These tools are licensed under the Old BSD license, which includes an advertising clause: "All advertising materials mentioning features or use of this software must display the following acknowledgement: This product includes software developed or owned by Caldera International, Inc." According to RMS, an advertising clause makes a license incompatible with GNU GPL.
i am talking about the specific phrase "separation of church and state"
By that argument, you can claim that the First Amendment doesn't protect free speech, only "freedom of speech." I read "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" as requiring at least some separation between church and state.
Don't forget to read to the end of Animal Farm before announcing a victor.
In fact, I first realized the similarity of my story to Animal Farm after I listened to "the becoming" on NIN's album the downward spiral. To put it another way, "You are what you defeat."
The rest of them can have the surface of this planet we will send up fruit baskets every once in awhile and we will be sure to visit when we are hungry after a long day's work.
Oh, The Time Machine by H. G. Wells. How precious (yes, the Eloi from The Time Machine look like Precious Moments). You do know that you'll have to spray drugs on the food to keep the Eloi from learning everything you do and revolting against you? You do know that in the forthcoming sequel, the Eloi rise up and pull an Animal Farm on your asses?
From the first amendment to the U.S. Constitution: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."
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I could imagine that an american court ruled like this.
I couldn't.
Does anyone have a license agreement from a Sony game that specifically allows the "copy in memory"? I've certainly never seen that on other software license agreements.
I don't know about UK law, but you haven't seen it on American software because US copyright law automatically grants that right to the owner of a legitimate copy. See my earlier comment.
By that argument, proxy servers and browser caches are illegal too.
No, the DMCA made those legal, at least in the USA. Seriously. Look at page 10 of this PDF from the Library of Congress.
Another thing I'm wondering about it copying data to memory can be considered "illegal copying".
I don't know about the UK, but in the USA, copying programs from a legit copy to RAM in order to run them is perfectly lawful. See my earlier comment.
By this logic, then, we're not even allowed to make a physical backup CD of software we legally bought, since there will be a copy in memory whenever it's run on the computer/console/etc.
This precedent cannot extend to the United States. See also my earlier comment.
Sony still gets their money from the original software sale
Sony of Japan Inc does. Sony of America Inc doesn't.
Most of the games are coming out on DVDs these days, anyways, so I don't know how big of an impact this would have.
Stripping away the movies helps shrink most games down to under 700 MB.
The technical reason for the decision being based upon the fact that a game that is run without permission makes a copy of copyright material in memory, this copy is 'infringing' because it is an unauthorized copy argued Sony. Basically, this 'controversial' statement made it illegal to play games purchased from abroad.
Nice try, but unlike United Kingdom copyright law, United States copyright law would consider this a fair use of the copyrighted work. According to 17 USC 117:
This paragraph was passed specifically to reject copyright owners' "Copying the program into RAM is infringing; therefore, EULAs are binding" argument.
Its not going to be a desktop but a console market that will bring unix gaming to the masses or make it viable. Since netbsd runs on damn near everything maybe that would be a better platform.
In other words, Indrema? You know how that died.
Go play a Gamecube for your games, a PC wasnt designed for Games.
GameCube doesn't work with a VGA display, and many of us don't have enough dorm room space to hold a TV and four human bodies comfortably.
There are a ton of video games, and support for games on windows and that is not true on linux.
You can run thousands of games on Linux. Free software exists to run titles designed for NES, Game Boy, Sega Genesis, Super NES, and many more. Just get a dumper, hook it up to your cartridges, and you're off. (Or just pirate the ROMs.)
Wine is not an emulator. TuxNES is.
Linux will always be an unfriendly experience, driven by multiple customized and incompatible versions of WINE
Unless you build Wine into the game binary itself. Use winelib to port your app, and it will run natively on linux, bsd, and many other operating systems that implement the same Single UNIX Spec. From there, you can gradually reduce the number of win32 calls you make.
I could undoubtably run some of these games through wine, but this really defeats the purpose if you want games written for linux.
Well, when you register your software, and the card asks you "what version of Windows do you use?" you can put Mandrake (or whatever). Eventually, publishers will get the message that Microsoft operating systems are not the only PC operating systems that their customers use, and they might consider releasing a native version of their software. (Use winelib in the early stages of porting; go fully cross-platform in later releases.)
I still think of my linux boxen as development platforms or servers, I don't play games on them, I program and do real work. Putting mere games on them would be demeaning to them!
I use my Linux boxes to play games because I use my Linux boxes to develop. Otherwise, how would I test the games I'm developing?
Doesn't the applying for a trademark seem highly onerous if you just want credit for your work?
The trademark protects only the name of the work. Credit for the work itself lies in the copyright notice.
Why, exactly, is [the old BSD ad clause] onerous?
It effectively prohibits you from advertising your product in limited-space media such as a small print ad or the radio, as the acknowledgements required by each author's ad clause would fill up the allotted space or time for the ad.
You should expect to get code that you can basically do anything you want with it and being required to acknowledge the people who gave it to you is too much?
The copyright notice does this just fine, thank you very much. "Redistributions ... must retain the above copyright notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer."
It gives credit to the creator of the software while maintaining the software's [freedom].
No, the copyright notice does that just fine, thank you very much. From a typical new-BSD license:
GPL'd software doesn't contain an advertising clause, and yet Linus Torvalds still manages to get his name in the copyright notice of every copy of Linux® software out there.
The bad news is: 'TECO' r00ls; 'ed' suX0rs.
Foreshadowing Emacs vs. vi? The first version of Emacs was a set of TECO macros. Vi was originally just a visual interface to ex, which was an extended version of ed.
this is incredibly useful especially for GNU developers who have made gnu reimplementations of these software. now they can get rid of some of BSD code in the GNU Tools
Wrong. These tools are licensed under the Old BSD license, which includes an advertising clause: "All advertising materials mentioning features or use of this software must display the following acknowledgement: This product includes software developed or owned by Caldera International, Inc." According to RMS, an advertising clause makes a license incompatible with GNU GPL.
Microsoft thinks it can. If someone did to windows what Linus did to Unix, they'd get their pants sued off, even though it's not illegal.
Then why isn't Microsoft suing CodeWeavers, the company that funds development of a popular free Windows API layer for UNIX workalikes? Yes, I know that Microsoft is suing Lindows, but that's trademark law, easily fixable by changing a name, as demonstrated in Tetrisgate.
i am talking about the specific phrase "separation of church and state"
By that argument, you can claim that the First Amendment doesn't protect free speech, only "freedom of speech." I read "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" as requiring at least some separation between church and state.
Don't forget to read to the end of Animal Farm before announcing a victor.
In fact, I first realized the similarity of my story to Animal Farm after I listened to "the becoming" on NIN's album the downward spiral. To put it another way, "You are what you defeat."
The rest of them can have the surface of this planet we will send up fruit baskets every once in awhile and we will be sure to visit when we are hungry after a long day's work.
Oh, The Time Machine by H. G. Wells. How precious (yes, the Eloi from The Time Machine look like Precious Moments). You do know that you'll have to spray drugs on the food to keep the Eloi from learning everything you do and revolting against you? You do know that in the forthcoming sequel, the Eloi rise up and pull an Animal Farm on your asses?
eventually post mail will become a spam-filled memory.
How are you supposed to ship a package without going through USPS or a courier?
[separation of church and state is]
From the first amendment to the U.S. Constitution: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."
Except AOL does not employ anticompetive tactics and run others out of the business.
Except for those people who create independently developed DVD player or eBook reader applications and whose site is reachable from the United States.
Think: VivendiUniversalBlowsGoats.com how's the WIPO going to award that to them?
Better yet: VivendiUniversalBlowsGoatse.cx and redirect it to Goatse.cx (don't click it; it's gay porn).