The thing is that you will never see the end of the push for these laws because some people truly believe that individuals are societies responsibility. They only want to help. They are believers. You can't deter believers. Its for your own good.
You know, the thing about insurance of groups, which is essentially a statistical undertaking, is that there are always outliers in both directions, and they are accounted for.
In most cases it seems, "both directions" do not cancel out in the way that you are describing. They are often additive as in this case, where the morbidly obese and the deathly skinny both cost everyone else in the risk pool more money over the long haul.
Whenever someone starts sniveling about the over-users, take a moment to remind them of me...
Yes, remind them of the guy that only needs catastrophic coverage but is getting completely ripped off with a regular maintenance health insurance plan. You are proving the point.
Wait until we have real universal health care.. then the anorexics health becomes everyones business... and thus, justifying laws like the banning of skinny models. Think of this research like a wake-up call.
They wanted publicity because they knew it would fail. They made sure of that by using default passwords and other shit. This is theater at its finest.
And people are continuously comparing the i5 2500k to the FX-8150 because the comparison makes Intel look good, but try comparing it to something else, like the FX-6200.
Look, I am an AMD user. I dont have a single Intel chip in my house... but lets be honest here..
The i5-2500K is compared to the FX-8150 because the FX-8150 is $25 more expensive, and when AMD wins in a specific benchmark its only a small advantage going to AMD while when the Intel wins a specific benchmark its usually a significant advantage. The numbers speak for themselves
Trying to compare to the FX-6200 is sort of laughable thing to suggest. I dont get how you claim that the FX-6200 is significantly cheaper or better performing at anything since you cant even buy one yet, and nobody has benchmarked one.
Oh, I let facts get in my way like that AMD is calling it an 8-core?
..and Boris Bulvik calls it 1000 hickups. What the fuck does what people call it have to do with FACTS? You seem to want to rely on semantics to win your argument.
You are aware that Bulldozers use modules, which are similar to Intels HT, which you specifically mentioned, right? right? You are aware of the facts, right? Yeah.. you are.. but you do not want to admit them.
Instead, with Bulldozer they can use more modules and sell to the server market or anyone else with threaded software and then and use fewer modules in combination with a GPU and sell to the budget market and the midrange gaming market, and leave the six dozen howling high-end PC gamers to Intel.
I wouldnt say that i5 buyers are howling high-end PC gamers.. the i5-2500K is cheaper and performs better on most benchmarks (including multi-threaded) than the FX-8150.
This is clearly the mid-range market with prices between $225 and $250, not the high end gaming market. AMD has some absolutely incredible budget offerings (the A8 series APU's for instance) that Intel simply cannot touch, but don't kid yourself about the mid-range market.. where Intel is highly competitive even when its not winning outright.
Do the math here, if Bulldozer's cores were 60-80% of Intel's then their 8 core chip should perform 120-160% of Intel's quad core chips in multithreaded performance.
Before you start doing math, correct your numbers.
That chip you are calling 8-core is a 4-module chip, closer to Intels HT offerings (4C/8T) than to what you are claiming (8C/8T)
That is, correct your numbers unless you dont want to let facts get in the way of your inner banboy.
Granted, aftermarket coolers probably help, but I believe a 0.5-0.75GHz bump on a stock cooler is entirely reasonable.
Both Intel and AMD have had offerings able to run at 4ghz and beyond, with simple air cooling, for many years.... but you cannot cool a chip running at these speeds using the build-up of hot air found in a cramped OEM case that has only a single 80mm exhaust fan.
More important than the CPU cooler these days is the case ventilation. This is something OEM's get "wrong" (*) which is why Intel (and AMD) cannot market inexpensive CPU's that are advertised to run even near 4ghz without significantly altering either their warranty or their price. If you build your own system, or are upgrading an existing OEM system, you can add on a pair of 120mm fans (one in front, one in back, intake and exhaust) that is sure to allow even a stock 45nm 2.8ghz AMD Thuban (**) to run at 4ghz.
(*) Its wrong for Intel and AMD, but not for the OEM's.
(**) I have never heard anyone that builds their own system say that a Thuban or i7 wasn't able to hit 4ghz on air cooling.
How is requiring you to have a $2 breathanalyser any worse than requiring you to e.g. use sealtbelts?
Here I was thinking that two wrongs don't make a right, but here are people like you insisting that they do.
Just because requiring that people wear seat-belts is only slightly wrong, you folks think its a wide open door of justification to all sorts of more so wrong.
This dumb-assed law doesnt even require that people even use the breathalysers...
People do not generally agree on the value of things. So a small fraction of the market at any given moment values something at $x, another small fraction values it at $x+1, another at $x+2, and so forth...
..and everyones valuations change from moment to moment.
Apples has its core brand fans, but they arent the market that Apple targets these days. It is the buzz around Apples products that cause peoples valuations of them to swing larger than is typical, pushing even many dollar-conscious folk into spending much more than they would without the buzz.
We need better government, not a free for all that will take us back to feudalism.
So you AGREE with the libertarians then, right? Because they want better government and to put a stop to the creeping feudalism.
Its not suddenly better when an "elected" official demands the fruits of your labor that you then only get marginal benefits from in comparison to the efforts you must sacrifice by writ of law... its the exact same thing just with elected folk and nepotism instead of birthrights and bloodlines.
Libertarianism does not mean lack of regulation you ignorant twit.. libertarianism means personal freedom, which includes freedom from the adverse effects of others. Of course I dont expect you to ever give up whatever theology you subscribe to that requires logical fallacies to support your bullshit tyranny of anti-freedom.
What are you blabbering about? Because VMS and traditional Unix could be broken into, we do not need better security today?
Care to actually counter the evidence that refutes your world view about "vendors like Microsoft", or do you just want to change your tune at the drop of a hat like a fucking fundamentalist christian?
What people like you do not seem to remember (or maybe you are too young?) is that before Windows had a TCP/IP stack, even before Trumpet Winsock, that Unix and VMS systems were notoriously exploited. Check the history of CERT advisory listings and its nothing but Unix and VMS systems being exploited until a phase change occurred when Windows PC's began to so overwhelmingly dominate the internet.
History proves it. Some of the folks here born before 1975 know this to be true, because we were the ones breaking into Unix and VMS systems because back then. The majority of the internet was Unix so that was what was targeted. Now the majority of the internet is Windows and that is again what is targeted.. and now the owners of these systems are far less sophisticated.
Dear Wowsers. The internet IS NOT YOURS EITHER. Don't like a protocol, file format, or DRM scheme? DONT USE IT.
Your freedom to choose means that you do not have the moral authority to dictate to other free people as to the manner in which they interact. I'm pretty sure that you dont use Netflix, so what fucking business is it of yours as to how Netflix delivers content? Its not your business at all, BECAUSE THE INTERNET IS NOT YOURS.
You just proved again that you shouldn't be talking about this topic.
You speak so authoritatively AND judgmentally in your other posts, as if you had a fucking clue... but you don't... you've got no fucking idea what you are talking about.. you do not have the moral authority to be judgmental on this subject... you appear to have formed an opinion while being completely fucking ignorant..
You are like a fundamentalist christian.. only they know there shit is a matter of faith.. you pretend your shit is gospel when you dont even know the fucking very basics of the market.. what a fuckhole you are.
dude, you know that shooting a gun in the direction of people is stupid.
Actually he seems to know that, in some cases, it isn't. He presented his reasoning but not only did you fail to understand it, you failed to even acknowledge it
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The way I see it, all people are societies responsibility.
Smoker? Outlawed.
Fatty foods? Outlawed.
Skinny Models? Outlawed.
The thing is that you will never see the end of the push for these laws because some people truly believe that individuals are societies responsibility. They only want to help. They are believers. You can't deter believers. Its for your own good.
You know, the thing about insurance of groups, which is essentially a statistical undertaking, is that there are always outliers in both directions, and they are accounted for.
In most cases it seems, "both directions" do not cancel out in the way that you are describing. They are often additive as in this case, where the morbidly obese and the deathly skinny both cost everyone else in the risk pool more money over the long haul.
Whenever someone starts sniveling about the over-users, take a moment to remind them of me...
Yes, remind them of the guy that only needs catastrophic coverage but is getting completely ripped off with a regular maintenance health insurance plan. You are proving the point.
Wait until we have real universal health care.. then the anorexics health becomes everyones business... and thus, justifying laws like the banning of skinny models. Think of this research like a wake-up call.
..or the earths iron core.
They wanted publicity because they knew it would fail. They made sure of that by using default passwords and other shit. This is theater at its finest.
At 1200 baud -- a whopping 150 characters per second
1200 baud was only 120 characters per second. 2 overhead bits needed to be transmitted per byte, a start bit and a stop bit.
And people are continuously comparing the i5 2500k to the FX-8150 because the comparison makes Intel look good, but try comparing it to something else, like the FX-6200.
Look, I am an AMD user. I dont have a single Intel chip in my house... but lets be honest here..
The i5-2500K is compared to the FX-8150 because the FX-8150 is $25 more expensive, and when AMD wins in a specific benchmark its only a small advantage going to AMD while when the Intel wins a specific benchmark its usually a significant advantage. The numbers speak for themselves
Trying to compare to the FX-6200 is sort of laughable thing to suggest. I dont get how you claim that the FX-6200 is significantly cheaper or better performing at anything since you cant even buy one yet, and nobody has benchmarked one.
Oh, I let facts get in my way like that AMD is calling it an 8-core?
You are aware that Bulldozers use modules, which are similar to Intels HT, which you specifically mentioned, right? right? You are aware of the facts, right? Yeah.. you are.. but you do not want to admit them.
Instead, with Bulldozer they can use more modules and sell to the server market or anyone else with threaded software and then and use fewer modules in combination with a GPU and sell to the budget market and the midrange gaming market, and leave the six dozen howling high-end PC gamers to Intel.
I wouldnt say that i5 buyers are howling high-end PC gamers.. the i5-2500K is cheaper and performs better on most benchmarks (including multi-threaded) than the FX-8150.
This is clearly the mid-range market with prices between $225 and $250, not the high end gaming market. AMD has some absolutely incredible budget offerings (the A8 series APU's for instance) that Intel simply cannot touch, but don't kid yourself about the mid-range market.. where Intel is highly competitive even when its not winning outright.
Do the math here, if Bulldozer's cores were 60-80% of Intel's then their 8 core chip should perform 120-160% of Intel's quad core chips in multithreaded performance.
Before you start doing math, correct your numbers.
That chip you are calling 8-core is a 4-module chip, closer to Intels HT offerings (4C/8T) than to what you are claiming (8C/8T)
That is, correct your numbers unless you dont want to let facts get in the way of your inner banboy.
Granted, aftermarket coolers probably help, but I believe a 0.5-0.75GHz bump on a stock cooler is entirely reasonable.
Both Intel and AMD have had offerings able to run at 4ghz and beyond, with simple air cooling, for many years.... but you cannot cool a chip running at these speeds using the build-up of hot air found in a cramped OEM case that has only a single 80mm exhaust fan.
More important than the CPU cooler these days is the case ventilation. This is something OEM's get "wrong" (*) which is why Intel (and AMD) cannot market inexpensive CPU's that are advertised to run even near 4ghz without significantly altering either their warranty or their price. If you build your own system, or are upgrading an existing OEM system, you can add on a pair of 120mm fans (one in front, one in back, intake and exhaust) that is sure to allow even a stock 45nm 2.8ghz AMD Thuban (**) to run at 4ghz.
(*) Its wrong for Intel and AMD, but not for the OEM's.
(**) I have never heard anyone that builds their own system say that a Thuban or i7 wasn't able to hit 4ghz on air cooling.
How is requiring you to have a $2 breathanalyser any worse than requiring you to e.g. use sealtbelts?
Here I was thinking that two wrongs don't make a right, but here are people like you insisting that they do.
Just because requiring that people wear seat-belts is only slightly wrong, you folks think its a wide open door of justification to all sorts of more so wrong.
This dumb-assed law doesnt even require that people even use the breathalysers...
I like to take the bulb out of the drivers side headlight and then drive straight down the double-yellow line on moonless nights.
To add to this...
..and everyones valuations change from moment to moment.
People do not generally agree on the value of things. So a small fraction of the market at any given moment values something at $x, another small fraction values it at $x+1, another at $x+2, and so forth...
Apples has its core brand fans, but they arent the market that Apple targets these days. It is the buzz around Apples products that cause peoples valuations of them to swing larger than is typical, pushing even many dollar-conscious folk into spending much more than they would without the buzz.
We need better government, not a free for all that will take us back to feudalism.
So you AGREE with the libertarians then, right? Because they want better government and to put a stop to the creeping feudalism.
Its not suddenly better when an "elected" official demands the fruits of your labor that you then only get marginal benefits from in comparison to the efforts you must sacrifice by writ of law... its the exact same thing just with elected folk and nepotism instead of birthrights and bloodlines.
Libertarianism does not mean lack of regulation you ignorant twit.. libertarianism means personal freedom, which includes freedom from the adverse effects of others. Of course I dont expect you to ever give up whatever theology you subscribe to that requires logical fallacies to support your bullshit tyranny of anti-freedom.
What are you blabbering about? Because VMS and traditional Unix could be broken into, we do not need better security today?
Care to actually counter the evidence that refutes your world view about "vendors like Microsoft", or do you just want to change your tune at the drop of a hat like a fucking fundamentalist christian?
What people like you do not seem to remember (or maybe you are too young?) is that before Windows had a TCP/IP stack, even before Trumpet Winsock, that Unix and VMS systems were notoriously exploited. Check the history of CERT advisory listings and its nothing but Unix and VMS systems being exploited until a phase change occurred when Windows PC's began to so overwhelmingly dominate the internet.
History proves it. Some of the folks here born before 1975 know this to be true, because we were the ones breaking into Unix and VMS systems because back then. The majority of the internet was Unix so that was what was targeted. Now the majority of the internet is Windows and that is again what is targeted.. and now the owners of these systems are far less sophisticated.
Killed some Somali pirates
Got Osama bin Laden
Established the groundwork for a privacy bill of rights
Took away your right to a lawyer.
Took away your right to a trial.
Forced you to buy health insurance against your will.
Anyone else want to add some?
But, you know, we have been making all that progress in HTML5 and CSS3, to avoid Flash and proprietary options
Oh, THAT why they are developing HTML5 and CSS3 .. in order to kill Flash! I gotcha... get back to me when you return to planet Earth.
Dear Wowsers. The internet IS NOT YOURS EITHER. Don't like a protocol, file format, or DRM scheme? DONT USE IT.
Your freedom to choose means that you do not have the moral authority to dictate to other free people as to the manner in which they interact. I'm pretty sure that you dont use Netflix, so what fucking business is it of yours as to how Netflix delivers content? Its not your business at all, BECAUSE THE INTERNET IS NOT YOURS.
You just proved again that you shouldn't be talking about this topic.
You speak so authoritatively AND judgmentally in your other posts, as if you had a fucking clue... but you don't... you've got no fucking idea what you are talking about.. you do not have the moral authority to be judgmental on this subject... you appear to have formed an opinion while being completely fucking ignorant..
You are like a fundamentalist christian.. only they know there shit is a matter of faith.. you pretend your shit is gospel when you dont even know the fucking very basics of the market.. what a fuckhole you are.
dude, you know that shooting a gun in the direction of people is stupid.
Actually he seems to know that, in some cases, it isn't. He presented his reasoning but not only did you fail to understand it, you failed to even acknowledge it
Seem like the stupid one here is you.
This tool was modded Insightful while he confused Gigabit (SATA interface) and Megabit (Cable/DSL speeds)
Did he mod himself insightful with his sock puppet? YOU DECIDE.
A standard meme in the A.I. circles is that Neural Nets are always the second best way to solve a problem.
You would have an awesome point if you werent ignorant to the fact that OnLive is not an Office "alternative."