I am curious what compatibility issues you have had with AMD. I have never had a compatibility issue with AMD's going all the way back to their 80386/40.
And anyways, you can beat Dell/etc on Intel systems as well, although it is much harder not to get really ripped off. Many Intel processors are a horrible value in terms of price for performance, although 3 in particular hold their own with AMD's offerings... those are (from best value to worst) the Q8300, i5-750, and the Q8400
Last time I checked though, the RAM and MB for AMD were more expensive
I cant even begin to imagine how you "checked." There is no such thing as "Intel Ram" or "AMD Ram"
Intel-socket motherboards are generally more expensive than AMD-socket motherboards for the same feature sets.
Sticking to only motherboards that offer PCIe 2.0 x16, SATA 6GB/s, USB 3.0, and DDR3 sockets (basically, what would constitute a future-proof motherboard as it is today)
These are the facts of the matter, and that AMD board is actually a bit better overall with its *6* SATA 6GB ports vs the Intel boards *2*
..and on top of it all, while that was the cheapest Intel-based motherboard for the feature set, that is NOT the cheapest AMD-based board with the same feature set.
It stopped being economical to build your own system in the early 00's
That is simply not true. There certainly was a time where it became difficult to beat the big assembling retailers who got great deals on volume parts, but then came the high volume parts retailers like NewEgg.
A case-in-point: I can put together a solid 6-core box (AMD 1055T) with 4GB DDR3, SATA 6GB/s, and USB 3.0, for under $600 just by using NewEgg and not trying hard. You will spend $700 at Dell for an approximate system, but will have to settle for the 1035T, it wont have SATA 6GB/s, and only sports USB 2.0. Granted my $600 doesnt include an OEM copy of Win7, but thats only $100 more bringing comparable price.
Building it myself = quite a bit better system, and no required OS purchase too.
I have a dedicated savings account which I deposit $20/month into.
This money is used to upgrade/replace CPU/MB/MEM/VID/PSU as need arises. This simple system has not failed me at keeping me playing the latest games at decent framerates.
Money for display and storage is separate. I've got plenty of spare monitors in case of catastrophe (two words: TAG SALES), and a $100 one-off has always solved any emergency storage problem.
By your logic, California should only burn oil pumped in California. In fact, why allow a whole state to share - why not require SF to used only oil pumped in SF.
The thing is that California's problem is not one of 'it is most economical elsewhere.' They have legislated themselves into a massive energy deficit. In the early 2000's they were approving far fewer power plants than could keep up with California's and its neighbors increasing demand, causing prices to skyrocket. The governmental response to this was to institute price caps, rather than to approve more power plants or let prices self-regulate demand. These price caps were also lower than the going-rate in neighboring states so the energy plants in California sold their energy off to outsiders.
Energy companies started building more plants in neighboring states, avoiding the slow approval process of California as well as the draconian emissions standards they have set, and increasing the efficiency to the location they were already targeting (the neighboring states.)
Eventually California allowed 3rd party "middle man" companies to avoid the price caps, but by then it was too late. Sufficient energy generation was happening outside of the state by then, not inside the state. California runs a massive power deficit now, and its not for economic reasons.
Whenever I hear the "they might take the servers down" argument I think "How many people fire up that original copy of Wolfenstein 3D today, and then play it for more than a couple minutes before being revolted by the keyboard interface?"
Games fall into 3 catagories as far as I am concerned:
Games that are never a good value (because you dont even like it the first time.)
Games that are of minor value (because you got most of the value from the first playthrough... you may or may not play it through again)
Games that are an outstanding value (because you can and do play it for endless hours for years)
In most cases you get most of the value there is to be had in the first few months of ownership, and in a small minority of the cases they are easily great values because you play the thing often for years.
These people worried that they wont be able to play it 10 years from now (because of DRM) are really only worried about those outstanding value games, right? Games they already got great value out of, right? Arent they bitching about infinitesimal margins at that point?
For me, I just dont like DRM that will be intrusive before getting me to the outstanding value stage. DRM that prevents me from running virtual drives is absolutely out of the question. DRM that will end my game if I lose my net connection for even a few minutes is absolutely out of the question. But steam? are you kidding me. Steam has actually helped me get to the outstanding value stage (lost/broken DVD's anyone?)
Do not buy into the SLI/Crossfire crap unless you plan on sending large amounts of money at it regularly.
I havent done a study of this but I suspect this to be true: If you allocate $100 per year on video cards and do a lot of heavy gaming, you will average higher FPS throughout your life by spending $200 on a card every 2 years than you will spending $300 every 3 years (or $400 every 4 years) on an SLI setup.
Essentially, SLI/CrossFire is for people that have a REAL immediate need for it and have thus decided to spend LOTS of money (like if you are running 6 displays at once at some crazy effective resolution like 4800x2400)
On a dollar for dollar basis tho, the assertion that dual cores are clocked higher than 4+ cores is simply not consistently true.
In the $100 to $200 arena the quad cores are about the same price per ghz as the dual cores, and at the $300 mark you can get a 3.2ghz 6-core with turbo up to 3.6ghz for the same price as the fastest 3.46ghz dual core.
At $180, you can grab a 3.4ghz quad core. You cannot find a dual core near that price that is any faster.
So, you know, learn your shit. It's a lot to ask, I know.
I know my shit. The claim is that millions of people will be RAPIDLY displaced. That is, millions of people will be suddenly harmed by sea level rise. Using the figured YOU have provided, thats STILL not the case.
Clear enough for you? The idea that sea level rise is going to harm millions when that sea level rise is going to take generations to witness is completely and utterly preposterous. The claim that it will happen is just appealing to emotions without any supporting evidence that such events will happen. They wont happen.
No, you don't know the facts of the "shit" you are supporting. To start with, Bangaldeshi farmers can't start running because they live in one of the most densely populated areas on earth and the national boundaries there have been drawn in the 20th century to stop traditional migrations.
Umm, THEY DONT HAVE TO START RUNNING. *wooooosh*
They have floods all the time over there. The idea that they will be suddenly run out of there ("displaced") in some disastrous flood event caused by sea level rise is completely and utterly preposterous. Its going to take hundreds of years for the projections to be realized, at a steady rate of change. There isnt going to be any sudden flooding that doesnt already happen regularly.
Funny thing about delta's... they come and go (the process is called erosion) with or without sea level rise.
Sea level rise has averaged 2mm/year for the last 100 years. Were millions of people 'rapidly' displaced due to eroding delta's at any point in the last 100 years?
Well its not the ice floating in the ocean thats the problem.. its the ice on land.. those glaciers.. that are what causes sea level rise when they melt.
But it will still happen at such a slow rate that the alarmist "OMG SEA LEVEL RISE MILLIONS WILL BE DISPLACED!" cries are just plain stupid.
You mean the poor farmer in Bangladesh will experience the same hardship from sea level rise than a Miami millionaire? One loses his livelihood and the other has to move his yacht pier up 3 feet - yes, that seems about the same.
Yes, the 2.8mm/year rate of sea level rise is sure to take away the livelihood of that farmer in Bangladesh... he should start running now, or else he may never escape!!!!!
You don't realize the absurdity of your extremist appeals to emotion BECAUSE YOU DONT EVEN KNOW THE FACTS OF THE VERY SHIT YOUR ARE SUPPORTING.
WOW! I'd say if you have to go back THIRTY YEARS to find another example, then they OBVIOUSLY are doing pretty damn good!
Huh? I gave a single example which I am most familiar with. Did you want others? The iPhone was not apples first cell phone. The first one was a tremendous failure, due to design issues it did not "just work."
BTW, the problems with the/// were NOT engineering-related. The problem was the state-of-the-art of PC board manufacturing, which couldn't deal with the density of the Apple///'s PCB.
umm.. that IS an engineering issue. There will come a time when phone reception will not be significantly adversely effected from a humans grip, at which time that does not change the iPhones current issue as being an engineering one.
The GOP is a bunch of liars; their lies are designed to garner a political bloc of voters; that those voters are being duped by claptrap and falsehoods does not matter to the GOP, because their goal is not governance, it is directing the revenues of the government to the wealthy.
Strange that the Democrats have been in complete control for 2 years now, and thats exactly what they have done, and on a scale never before seen in the history of mankind.
I really dont think that you understand that GPU's actually can, and do, execute more than one unique thread at a time. They could not get the polygon counts they do if they didnt.
They arent just big SIMD's like you think. They really do execute independent threads and each are wide SIMD (128 bytes wide on most modern GPU's).. if GCD backed by OpenCL can't do this, then its selling you short.
No.. thats not the same thing. Even if GCD worked with GPU's (which I see no evidence of) it still wouldnt be the same thing.
While GPU's often have many "threads", each thread itself is a very wide SIMD architecture. For GCD in its current form to be useful, the work() function would still have to have the SIMD stuff baked in.
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Are you SURE that there is no antenna? Pretty much anything made of metal can act as an antenna.
I am curious what compatibility issues you have had with AMD. I have never had a compatibility issue with AMD's going all the way back to their 80386/40.
And anyways, you can beat Dell/etc on Intel systems as well, although it is much harder not to get really ripped off. Many Intel processors are a horrible value in terms of price for performance, although 3 in particular hold their own with AMD's offerings... those are (from best value to worst) the Q8300, i5-750, and the Q8400
Last time I checked though, the RAM and MB for AMD were more expensive
I cant even begin to imagine how you "checked." There is no such thing as "Intel Ram" or "AMD Ram"
..and on top of it all, while that was the cheapest Intel-based motherboard for the feature set, that is NOT the cheapest AMD-based board with the same feature set.
Intel-socket motherboards are generally more expensive than AMD-socket motherboards for the same feature sets.
Sticking to only motherboards that offer PCIe 2.0 x16, SATA 6GB/s, USB 3.0, and DDR3 sockets (basically, what would constitute a future-proof motherboard as it is today)
The best priced Intel board on NewEgg is $125 and this is actually a very decent one from MSI.
That same manufacturer also offers a comparable AMD board for $25 less. Also a very decent board.
These are the facts of the matter, and that AMD board is actually a bit better overall with its *6* SATA 6GB ports vs the Intel boards *2*
You failed at "checking" the prices.
It stopped being economical to build your own system in the early 00's
That is simply not true. There certainly was a time where it became difficult to beat the big assembling retailers who got great deals on volume parts, but then came the high volume parts retailers like NewEgg.
A case-in-point: I can put together a solid 6-core box (AMD 1055T) with 4GB DDR3, SATA 6GB/s, and USB 3.0, for under $600 just by using NewEgg and not trying hard. You will spend $700 at Dell for an approximate system, but will have to settle for the 1035T, it wont have SATA 6GB/s, and only sports USB 2.0. Granted my $600 doesnt include an OEM copy of Win7, but thats only $100 more bringing comparable price.
Building it myself = quite a bit better system, and no required OS purchase too.
I have a dedicated savings account which I deposit $20/month into.
This money is used to upgrade/replace CPU/MB/MEM/VID/PSU as need arises. This simple system has not failed me at keeping me playing the latest games at decent framerates.
Money for display and storage is separate. I've got plenty of spare monitors in case of catastrophe (two words: TAG SALES), and a $100 one-off has always solved any emergency storage problem.
By your logic, California should only burn oil pumped in California. In fact, why allow a whole state to share - why not require SF to used only oil pumped in SF.
The thing is that California's problem is not one of 'it is most economical elsewhere.' They have legislated themselves into a massive energy deficit. In the early 2000's they were approving far fewer power plants than could keep up with California's and its neighbors increasing demand, causing prices to skyrocket. The governmental response to this was to institute price caps, rather than to approve more power plants or let prices self-regulate demand. These price caps were also lower than the going-rate in neighboring states so the energy plants in California sold their energy off to outsiders.
Energy companies started building more plants in neighboring states, avoiding the slow approval process of California as well as the draconian emissions standards they have set, and increasing the efficiency to the location they were already targeting (the neighboring states.)
Eventually California allowed 3rd party "middle man" companies to avoid the price caps, but by then it was too late. Sufficient energy generation was happening outside of the state by then, not inside the state. California runs a massive power deficit now, and its not for economic reasons.
Whenever I hear the "they might take the servers down" argument I think "How many people fire up that original copy of Wolfenstein 3D today, and then play it for more than a couple minutes before being revolted by the keyboard interface?"
Games fall into 3 catagories as far as I am concerned:
Games that are never a good value (because you dont even like it the first time.)
Games that are of minor value (because you got most of the value from the first playthrough... you may or may not play it through again)
Games that are an outstanding value (because you can and do play it for endless hours for years)
In most cases you get most of the value there is to be had in the first few months of ownership, and in a small minority of the cases they are easily great values because you play the thing often for years.
These people worried that they wont be able to play it 10 years from now (because of DRM) are really only worried about those outstanding value games, right? Games they already got great value out of, right? Arent they bitching about infinitesimal margins at that point?
For me, I just dont like DRM that will be intrusive before getting me to the outstanding value stage. DRM that prevents me from running virtual drives is absolutely out of the question. DRM that will end my game if I lose my net connection for even a few minutes is absolutely out of the question. But steam? are you kidding me. Steam has actually helped me get to the outstanding value stage (lost/broken DVD's anyone?)
This. All the way.
Do not buy into the SLI/Crossfire crap unless you plan on sending large amounts of money at it regularly.
I havent done a study of this but I suspect this to be true: If you allocate $100 per year on video cards and do a lot of heavy gaming, you will average higher FPS throughout your life by spending $200 on a card every 2 years than you will spending $300 every 3 years (or $400 every 4 years) on an SLI setup.
Essentially, SLI/CrossFire is for people that have a REAL immediate need for it and have thus decided to spend LOTS of money (like if you are running 6 displays at once at some crazy effective resolution like 4800x2400)
In the under $200 arena, its AMD AMD AMD.
Intel has like 30 processors in this price range, but only 3 of them can actually compete in performance with AMD's offerings.
On a dollar for dollar basis tho, the assertion that dual cores are clocked higher than 4+ cores is simply not consistently true.
In the $100 to $200 arena the quad cores are about the same price per ghz as the dual cores, and at the $300 mark you can get a 3.2ghz 6-core with turbo up to 3.6ghz for the same price as the fastest 3.46ghz dual core.
At $180, you can grab a 3.4ghz quad core. You cannot find a dual core near that price that is any faster.
So, you know, learn your shit. It's a lot to ask, I know.
I know my shit. The claim is that millions of people will be RAPIDLY displaced. That is, millions of people will be suddenly harmed by sea level rise. Using the figured YOU have provided, thats STILL not the case.
Clear enough for you? The idea that sea level rise is going to harm millions when that sea level rise is going to take generations to witness is completely and utterly preposterous. The claim that it will happen is just appealing to emotions without any supporting evidence that such events will happen. They wont happen.
No, you don't know the facts of the "shit" you are supporting. To start with, Bangaldeshi farmers can't start running because they live in one of the most densely populated areas on earth and the national boundaries there have been drawn in the 20th century to stop traditional migrations.
Umm, THEY DONT HAVE TO START RUNNING. *wooooosh*
They have floods all the time over there. The idea that they will be suddenly run out of there ("displaced") in some disastrous flood event caused by sea level rise is completely and utterly preposterous. Its going to take hundreds of years for the projections to be realized, at a steady rate of change. There isnt going to be any sudden flooding that doesnt already happen regularly.
Funny thing about delta's... they come and go (the process is called erosion) with or without sea level rise.
Sea level rise has averaged 2mm/year for the last 100 years. Were millions of people 'rapidly' displaced due to eroding delta's at any point in the last 100 years?
Well its not the ice floating in the ocean thats the problem.. its the ice on land.. those glaciers.. that are what causes sea level rise when they melt.
But it will still happen at such a slow rate that the alarmist "OMG SEA LEVEL RISE MILLIONS WILL BE DISPLACED!" cries are just plain stupid.
You mean the poor farmer in Bangladesh will experience the same hardship from sea level rise than a Miami millionaire? One loses his livelihood and the other has to move his yacht pier up 3 feet - yes, that seems about the same.
Yes, the 2.8mm/year rate of sea level rise is sure to take away the livelihood of that farmer in Bangladesh... he should start running now, or else he may never escape!!!!!
You don't realize the absurdity of your extremist appeals to emotion BECAUSE YOU DONT EVEN KNOW THE FACTS OF THE VERY SHIT YOUR ARE SUPPORTING.
WOW! I'd say if you have to go back THIRTY YEARS to find another example, then they OBVIOUSLY are doing pretty damn good!
Huh? I gave a single example which I am most familiar with. Did you want others? The iPhone was not apples first cell phone. The first one was a tremendous failure, due to design issues it did not "just work."
BTW, the problems with the /// were NOT engineering-related. The problem was the state-of-the-art of PC board manufacturing, which couldn't deal with the density of the Apple ///'s PCB.
umm.. that IS an engineering issue. There will come a time when phone reception will not be significantly adversely effected from a humans grip, at which time that does not change the iPhones current issue as being an engineering one.
Agreed, and its not the first time they royally fucked up.
Remember the Apple III?
After the Apple III disaster, Apple released *3* new Apple II models, each lone lasted longer in the market than the III did.
Sometimes you fuck up so bad that you cant go forward.
The fact that they had a bug in their signal strength algorithm is bad, but one can't complain the problem happened because they weren't testing.
For the last time.. it was not a bug. A bug has unintentional consequences. What they were doing was intentional.
The thing is, OTA testing takes a long time and is actually a lot of money.
Apple has a fucking lot of money right now.
..because you only have 1 bar, and its flickering on and off, while dummies stare at you.
The GOP is a bunch of liars; their lies are designed to garner a political bloc of voters; that those voters are being duped by claptrap and falsehoods does not matter to the GOP, because their goal is not governance, it is directing the revenues of the government to the wealthy.
Strange that the Democrats have been in complete control for 2 years now, and thats exactly what they have done, and on a scale never before seen in the history of mankind.
Replace GOP with DNC and you've said the same thing about democrats. Are you really so stupid?
I really dont think that you understand that GPU's actually can, and do, execute more than one unique thread at a time. They could not get the polygon counts they do if they didnt.
.. if GCD backed by OpenCL can't do this, then its selling you short.
They arent just big SIMD's like you think. They really do execute independent threads and each are wide SIMD (128 bytes wide on most modern GPU's)
Yeah there werent any anti-government types at all! I am quite amazed at how well loved Bush was, for instance.
No.. thats not the same thing. Even if GCD worked with GPU's (which I see no evidence of) it still wouldnt be the same thing. While GPU's often have many "threads", each thread itself is a very wide SIMD architecture. For GCD in its current form to be useful, the work() function would still have to have the SIMD stuff baked in.