The fastest CPUs today generally aren't more than 30% faster than a baseline (let's say a $150 Core i5). If all you care about is single threaded performance, then a Pentium G 3258 (overclockable) will get you anywhere you want to go for $70.
This.
The way to be thinking about this is that you will be spending $X on a computer over a period of time T. Figure out how much that is per year, and then formulate a buying strategy that keeps you ahead of the curve for the longest proportion of time.
In his case I suspect that he is probably looking at an average 6 year cycle on his $1200, which is $200 per year. Clearly and obviously he would be much better off spending $400 every 2 years instead of $1200 every 6 with regards to how much computation he could do over those 6 years. Not sure where the sweet spot is, but clearly its far south of $1200.
Agreed. His description pretty much cries out that its a heat problem, and thats going to be the cpu, motherboard (one of the i/o chips), or ram.
Its not the PSU because lockups would be growing in frequency at a quite noticeable rate. if his issue is still only once or twice a month then that cannot be the case.
The same thing thats wrong with all other "reviews" - they put together an arbitrary test system in each case, which all by itself leaves tons of room for gaming the results.
Even when these "review" sites are trying hard to be honest, they often drop a $50 cpu into a box with a high end motherboard, high end ram, very high end video card, etc... such a "review" is complete garbage.
Passmark has it right. Test real world end user systems. Do these tests on hundreds or even thousands of systems and report the averages. The fact that most of the passmark benchmarks are performed on systems that were absolutely not in any way built specifically to be benchmarked is the key. The systems had other typical motivations with regard to their component selections. Often times in these discussions someone will complain that some of those passmark samples were on completely borked/mis-configured/virus-ridden systems, not wanting to admit that such things are washed out by the average.
The "downside" to passmark is that the benchmark is completely synthetic, but thats only a minor downside when you consider that the non-synthetic benchmarks are still benchmarking software that few people are running anyways. For instance, in this case things like "timed apache compilation" that phoronix uses is just as much a synthetic proxy as passmark if you do things other than compile apache all day long every day. Its just as much a proxy as a synthetic test.
Now maybe the phoronix guys are trying hard to be fair and honest, but that doesnt end the discussion because honesty just isnt the whole picture.
I don't have a problem with the fact that you might have to work at Starbucks after getting an art history degree.
The real issue is that people decided that working at Starbucks before getting that art history degree was too much to ask. The government began to encourage student loans greatly increasing the supply of money looking for universities, and for those that took economics instead of art history the outcome of that sort of market distortion is quite predictable. We are talking about the basic fundamentals of economics here that nobody can argue against: supply, demand, and competition.
The student debt problem didnt sneak up on us. People were saying right from the start that prices would rise if you increase the supply of money looking to buy a degree as well as the supply of people looking to get degrees, but they were dismissed as being conservative, or racist, or (gasp) republican.
Take away the government distortion and Johnny Sketch wouldnt be able to borrow $100,000 to get his master art degree because nobody would be stupid enough to lend Johnny so much money at such a high risk. Johnny would be able to get a student loan, but not for something do risky. But the government is involved, so there was very little risk, and recently we made the risk even less by not even allowing Johnny Sketch to renege on his student debt via bankruptcy.
Yet again the government came in to solve a problem and created a much bigger one.
..and the derby is part of the triple crown.. proving that the derby its not as familiar to you as you are pretending. Familiarity is more than knowing a word.
You are assuming that I have a problem with people using proprietary software.
No he isnt assuming that. He said quite clearly and specifically what he is assuming. The fact that you will not address what was said is not only further evidence that you are just a zealot, but that what he specifically said is exactly the case:
If he was in the school, or on the school grounds, then the excuse "it was too far away to see that it wasnt a gun" doesn't fucking fly. Either he was close enough or he wasn't breaking this law even if it was a real fucking gun instead of a star wars toy.
Now make up your mind. Was this guy too far away? If so, then you quoted shit that doesnt apply. If he was not too far away, then since it was a fucking toy the you quoted shit that still doesnt apply. In either scenario the shit you quoted doesnt apply. So why did you quote it? Active dishonesty.
You dont get to make up your own version of the rules just because you are petrified of plastic things that are in the general shape of guns, a condition which is due to being pussified by the system. Also, being actively dishonest for this same reason isnt excusable. There is no excuse.
You were wronged by the system when it conditioned you to be this horrible childlike way, but we dont have to bend over for you just because you were wronged. Here you are trying to perpetuate further wronging of people through active dishonesty: Its not an excuse for child molesters that were themselves molested, so its not a god damned excuse for you.
So, how are the CCD pixels supposed to be charged? By magic?
maybe your CCD pixels can use power from the CMOS sensors thats capturing the image?.. not sure why you would also put in CCD's sensors tho... seems wasteful.
I dont understand why they arent powering it with the light entering the aperture. Surely a camera could be powered by some of the light its capturing?
hold and praise your nearest superstar
i shine bright and shed light from afar
93 million miles to be explicit
8 light minutes if you're planning a visit
see I'm the big daddy in this here system
my turn to burn - so keep on listening
i give light when all around is dark
your choice - get sparked - or hark my remarks
I suspect that many "hard scientists" are still using centimeters-grams-seconds (CGS) not meters-kilograms-seconds (MKS). I am not a hard scientists but many of the texts I read use CGS.
Interesting that in your quite wordy post, that you found no time at all for any words about reduced spending. Lots of support for more taxes, and some added spice against those that might suggest that we are better off with less taxes, but nothing at all about reduced spending.
While the Laffer curve undoubtedly exists, every single tax-cut experiment in the last 30 years in the USA suggests we are already to the left of the peak, and hence lower taxes simply means lower revenues.
Do you really think that its moral for the Federal government to maximize its revenue?
Look at his budget proposals some day. They paint a different picture
I suspect the ones that he supports all get his State a good deal on federal money, however the picture painted here is that that is only doing what he was elected to do. Senators (are supposed to) represent the State.
so you get situations that can distort the shape of the event horizon or accretion disk(s),.. that is nice, but those are not black holes, they are just related phenomena
so you get to the point where you think your knowledge about black holes makes you an expert, but then you find out that you confused black holes with singularities.
You also get worse IEEE compliance out of the x87 unit, which may matter more than the extra 16 bits of precision.
As far as I am aware, the x87 was fully IEEE compliant so long as you asked for 64-bit (or 32-bit) rounding after every operation (which was implicit if you write all operations back to memory) until Intel decided that precision didnt matter as much as benchmark performance. It was about mid-2014 that Intels newest precision issues made the frontpage of slashdot (Where Intel Processors Fail At Math (Again)
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I was going to say the same thing. No mod points tho....
The fastest CPUs today generally aren't more than 30% faster than a baseline (let's say a $150 Core i5). If all you care about is single threaded performance, then a Pentium G 3258 (overclockable) will get you anywhere you want to go for $70.
This.
The way to be thinking about this is that you will be spending $X on a computer over a period of time T. Figure out how much that is per year, and then formulate a buying strategy that keeps you ahead of the curve for the longest proportion of time.
In his case I suspect that he is probably looking at an average 6 year cycle on his $1200, which is $200 per year. Clearly and obviously he would be much better off spending $400 every 2 years instead of $1200 every 6 with regards to how much computation he could do over those 6 years. Not sure where the sweet spot is, but clearly its far south of $1200.
Agreed. His description pretty much cries out that its a heat problem, and thats going to be the cpu, motherboard (one of the i/o chips), or ram.
Its not the PSU because lockups would be growing in frequency at a quite noticeable rate. if his issue is still only once or twice a month then that cannot be the case.
The same thing thats wrong with all other "reviews" - they put together an arbitrary test system in each case, which all by itself leaves tons of room for gaming the results.
Even when these "review" sites are trying hard to be honest, they often drop a $50 cpu into a box with a high end motherboard, high end ram, very high end video card, etc... such a "review" is complete garbage.
Passmark has it right. Test real world end user systems. Do these tests on hundreds or even thousands of systems and report the averages. The fact that most of the passmark benchmarks are performed on systems that were absolutely not in any way built specifically to be benchmarked is the key. The systems had other typical motivations with regard to their component selections. Often times in these discussions someone will complain that some of those passmark samples were on completely borked/mis-configured/virus-ridden systems, not wanting to admit that such things are washed out by the average.
The "downside" to passmark is that the benchmark is completely synthetic, but thats only a minor downside when you consider that the non-synthetic benchmarks are still benchmarking software that few people are running anyways. For instance, in this case things like "timed apache compilation" that phoronix uses is just as much a synthetic proxy as passmark if you do things other than compile apache all day long every day. Its just as much a proxy as a synthetic test.
Now maybe the phoronix guys are trying hard to be fair and honest, but that doesnt end the discussion because honesty just isnt the whole picture.
I don't have a problem with the fact that you might have to work at Starbucks after getting an art history degree.
The real issue is that people decided that working at Starbucks before getting that art history degree was too much to ask. The government began to encourage student loans greatly increasing the supply of money looking for universities, and for those that took economics instead of art history the outcome of that sort of market distortion is quite predictable. We are talking about the basic fundamentals of economics here that nobody can argue against: supply, demand, and competition.
The student debt problem didnt sneak up on us. People were saying right from the start that prices would rise if you increase the supply of money looking to buy a degree as well as the supply of people looking to get degrees, but they were dismissed as being conservative, or racist, or (gasp) republican.
Take away the government distortion and Johnny Sketch wouldnt be able to borrow $100,000 to get his master art degree because nobody would be stupid enough to lend Johnny so much money at such a high risk. Johnny would be able to get a student loan, but not for something do risky. But the government is involved, so there was very little risk, and recently we made the risk even less by not even allowing Johnny Sketch to renege on his student debt via bankruptcy.
Yet again the government came in to solve a problem and created a much bigger one.
and they're useless to train any algorithm because you dont input whether you are related or not.
Bill was too busy giving high fives to white guys to bother with shit like testing:
High Fiven White Guys
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Only the Kentucky Derby is familiar
I must have missed it.
His post is only two sentences. Then I repeated it. You are missing it because of the religion.
You are assuming that I have a problem with people using proprietary software.
No he isnt assuming that. He said quite clearly and specifically what he is assuming. The fact that you will not address what was said is not only further evidence that you are just a zealot, but that what he specifically said is exactly the case:
You have a problem with other peoples choices.
Show me the free software you wrote, and we'll talk.
So on the matter of your bias, you are only willing to talk with others that likely have the same bias? Gotcha.
If he was in the school, or on the school grounds, then the excuse "it was too far away to see that it wasnt a gun" doesn't fucking fly. Either he was close enough or he wasn't breaking this law even if it was a real fucking gun instead of a star wars toy.
Now make up your mind. Was this guy too far away? If so, then you quoted shit that doesnt apply. If he was not too far away, then since it was a fucking toy the you quoted shit that still doesnt apply. In either scenario the shit you quoted doesnt apply. So why did you quote it? Active dishonesty.
You dont get to make up your own version of the rules just because you are petrified of plastic things that are in the general shape of guns, a condition which is due to being pussified by the system. Also, being actively dishonest for this same reason isnt excusable. There is no excuse.
You were wronged by the system when it conditioned you to be this horrible childlike way, but we dont have to bend over for you just because you were wronged. Here you are trying to perpetuate further wronging of people through active dishonesty: Its not an excuse for child molesters that were themselves molested, so its not a god damned excuse for you.
So, how are the CCD pixels supposed to be charged? By magic?
maybe your CCD pixels can use power from the CMOS sensors thats capturing the image? .. not sure why you would also put in CCD's sensors tho... seems wasteful.
Great for powering your thermostat, but horrible for your neighbors.
If its great for me and my thermostat, I'm sure that they wouldnt mind that their thermostat also gets some free power on my dime.
I dont understand why they arent powering it with the light entering the aperture. Surely a camera could be powered by some of the light its capturing?
hymn to the black sun (1992)
hold and praise your nearest superstar
i shine bright and shed light from afar
93 million miles to be explicit
8 light minutes if you're planning a visit
see I'm the big daddy in this here system
my turn to burn - so keep on listening
i give light when all around is dark
your choice - get sparked - or hark my remarks
I suspect that many "hard scientists" are still using centimeters-grams-seconds (CGS) not meters-kilograms-seconds (MKS). I am not a hard scientists but many of the texts I read use CGS.
That doesnt support Googles long term goals of its mobile platform delivering eyeballs to advertising throughout the entire universe.
Interesting that in your quite wordy post, that you found no time at all for any words about reduced spending. Lots of support for more taxes, and some added spice against those that might suggest that we are better off with less taxes, but nothing at all about reduced spending.
While the Laffer curve undoubtedly exists, every single tax-cut experiment in the last 30 years in the USA suggests we are already to the left of the peak, and hence lower taxes simply means lower revenues.
Do you really think that its moral for the Federal government to maximize its revenue?
...maybe you do?
Cutting taxes isn't likely to help much with paying off the 21 trillion dollar debt
Lets be honest here. The national debt is only serviced, never repaid.
Look at his budget proposals some day. They paint a different picture
I suspect the ones that he supports all get his State a good deal on federal money, however the picture painted here is that that is only doing what he was elected to do. Senators (are supposed to) represent the State.
so you get situations that can distort the shape of the event horizon or accretion disk(s), .. that is nice, but those are not black holes, they are just related phenomena
so you get to the point where you think your knowledge about black holes makes you an expert, but then you find out that you confused black holes with singularities.
You also get worse IEEE compliance out of the x87 unit, which may matter more than the extra 16 bits of precision.
As far as I am aware, the x87 was fully IEEE compliant so long as you asked for 64-bit (or 32-bit) rounding after every operation (which was implicit if you write all operations back to memory) until Intel decided that precision didnt matter as much as benchmark performance. It was about mid-2014 that Intels newest precision issues made the frontpage of slashdot (Where Intel Processors Fail At Math (Again)